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My side, no my side
Bhai Sahib ji, After reading the history of the talk pages and the artical itself, I (a fairly neutral observer) would be inclined to revert the page to the edit by - Revision as of 04:52, 9 June 2010 (edit) Dilpreet Singh (Talk | contribs).
Then I suggest locking the page and putting a note at the top or bottom, like the one on castes, ect. (the blue boxes) that states there is a great deal of controvercy, ect. please at your positive and negative comments and links in the appropriate section on the talk pages.
Then put a section on the talk page for people to spew their personal hatred or post their civil comments both pro or negative.
I know little of this issue, my only wish is that the truth wins out. Reading all the comments, ect., it seems that the posting by Sunny ji, who I know is the son of a Sikh whose support for Khalistan can not be doubted (nor can Sunny's) is most credible. When he says that the Gentleman said nothing negative about Guru Gobind Singh, I am prone to believe him.
Recently several Muslims and many Christians have been killed, because someone yelled blasphemy. Only (making up a charge) such as I saw him crumble a line from the Qur'an got the Christians burned to death. The Muslim was killed because someone who had a grudge, said he saw him crumple a page of a calendar that had lines from the Qur'an.
Hate is pretty obvious when one sees it. People act and form opinions, without bothering to check the facts.
Regards, I will stay clear of this obviously 'political' business.
Added link to this story today in Dawn news, http://blog.dawn.com/2010/07/27/its-societys-fault/
Allenwalla 12:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
About Prof. Darshan Singh Khalsa page
Hanji veerji,
Whatever is easy for you is okay with me.
A shadow page might be better, that way once I've made changes, I can send you a message. With that way, you wouldn't have to keep checking changes and I can group changes together so it's more efficient.
I won't be making changes in the near future. He's not one who cares to "auto-biograph". The information I have posted previously was when a child asked about his history during one of the camps at the academy - luckily someone wrote it out. I'm trying to find a template of questions that I can ask him and I could post those answers.
Okay veerji, thank you for your hospitality. -- ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕ ਗਰ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ (eikaa baanee eik gur eiko sabadh veechaar.) 19:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Wrong Presentation by Bhai Gurdas
No one needs to vouch for Bhai Gurdas ji compositions; his association with Guru Arjan and the holy Granth is proof of his Gurmat credentials.
this version is against dhanna's own wording and guru ram dass.
Neither of our Gurus present Love in this form like Bhai Gurdas did in this Vaar. Gurus had this example, why not they gave in his bani. Why not guru performed this act, and what was problem with Guru Angad Dev and Guru Amar Dass why they Left DEVI worship? They could have perform that by HEART?
The line which you have given shows importance to Love with God not Tiraths etc. In This Sakhi what Dhanna is doing, read:
ਪਥਰ ਇਕ ਲਪੇਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇ ਧੰਨੈ ਨੋ ਗੈਲ ਛਡਾਵੈ । The brahman rolled a stone, gave it to Dhanna and thus got rid of him.
ਠਾਕਰ ਨੋ ਨਹਾਵਾਲਿ ਕੈ ਛਾਹਿ ਰੋਟੀ ਲੈ ਭੋਗ ਚੜਹਾਵੈ । Dhanna bathed the Thakur and offered him bread and buttermilk.
ਹਥਿ ਜੋੜਿ ਮਿਨਤਿ ਕਰੈ ਪੈਰੀ ਪੈ ਪੈ ਬਹਤ ਮਨਾਵੈ । With folded hands and falling at the feet of the stone he begged for his service to be accepted.
ਹਉ ਭੀ ਮਹ ਨ ਜਠਾਲਸਾਂ ਤੂ ਰਠਾ ਮੈ ਕਿਹ ਨ ਸਖਾਵੈ । Dhanna said, “I will also not eat because how can I be happy if you are annoyed.”
See how dhanna is rolling around stones. No Single line is present in Granth of attaining parmeshwar using this technique and no record anywhere is present this technique of attaining parmeshar.
Dhanna is loving stone here not God. He is keeping fast.
on one side you are saying this is against gurmat on other side you are saying if i will perform all these acts with LOVE then i will surely get it. Kindly give me one viewpoint.
sir i m now suspecting on vaars, are these real or adulterated later, i haven't read such thing even in dasam granth, which is under great controversy. Dal mei kuch kala hai.
do one thing in idol worship add the point with bhai gurdas vaar: that if you do idol worship with love n devotion, or you become stubborn and leave food(but all in locve) you will definmately attain god.
or should i add this refering vaar? (paapi 01:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC))
kindly read my answer in NRI
Sir, i hv replied ur question but i think u hv not read it,kindly read my answer in NRI on ur this talk page. Thnx. Sarbjeet Singh
Mysticism
mysticism
Hari ji, Reading the page on Freedom and Leela, i was surprised to see the line - …and began to practice mysticism as prescribed by Guru Nanak and Sikhism. I realized that this was a word I had rarely seen in these articles.
Looking mysticism up on wikipedia, though every other religion is mentioned, there is even a list of religions in which mysticism plays a part, Sikhism is not mentioned at all.
Perhaps you know someone qualified to write on Sikhi and mysticism.
The page on yoga has this line - Both Yoga and Sikhism are essentially mystical faiths. Yet it also says - Sikhism rejects the traditional forms and practices of yoga…
Yet the SGGS has this among many mentions of yoga:
| ਕਹਨ ਕਹਾਵਨ ਕਉ ਕਈ ਕੇਤੈ ॥ ਝਸੋ ਜਨ ਬਿਰਲੋ ਹੈ ਸੇਵਕ ਜੋ ਤਤ ਜੋਗ ਕਉ ਬੇਤੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਦਖ ਨਾਹੀ ਸਭ ਸਖ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਰੇ ਝਕੈ ਝਕੀ ਨੇਤੈ ॥ ਬਰਾ ਨਹੀ ਸਭ ਭਲਾ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਰੇ ਹਾਰ ਨਹੀ ਸਭ ਜੇਤੈ ॥੧॥ |
| Kahan kahĝvan kao kaī kėṯai. Aiso jan birlo hai sėvak jo ṯaṯ jog kao bėṯai. ॥1॥ rahĝo.
Ḏukẖ nĝhī sabẖ sukẖ hī hai rė ėkai ėkī nėṯai. Burĝ nahī sabẖ bẖalĝ hī hai rė hĝr nahī sabẖ jėṯai.॥1॥ |
| Many speak and talk about God. But one who understands the essence of Yoga - such a humble servant is very rare ((1)(Pause)) |
The following lines, referring to Bhai Gurdas, repeated on many pages, is about the only other time the word mysticism is mentioned:
Bhai Gurdas in his Varan has used it as being synonymous with the absolute, the Creator in a number of places (I. 49, IV. 17, VI. 5, IX. 13, XI. 3 and 8, XII. 17, XII. 2, XXIV. 1, Xl. 22). This prolific use by one whose philosophical exposition of Sikh metaphysics and mysticism…
What word would one use in Punjabi for mysticism?
Allenwalla 23:52, 19 August 2010 (EDT)
a book of interest - History of Sikh Gurus Retold and a very interesting video
Reading a page entitled Amir ul Imla, i wanted to do a little further reading on the subject. This led me to a very interesting book, much of which is available on the net (at least to page 14)
History of Sikh Gurus Retold: 1469-1606 C.E By Surjit Singh Gandhi - link -> http://books.google.com/books?id=qw7-kUkHA_0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Muntakhab%20Ul%20Haqaiq&source=gbs_slider_thumb#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 09:29, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
also please watch: my wife was watching this video , how muslims are treated in america, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbQWxHIn4U ) although the video is about the style of dress of a Muslim, many sikhs have run into this as well.
Canada, from a story in al jazeera
I had not read of the 1987 event.
Historically, dating back to the outbreak of World War I, boats carrying Sikhs, Jews or Chinese have always met with an almost irrational hysteria, orchestrated by the Liberal and Conservative governments of the day.…
…Ottawa wants to confirm that the migrants are not associated with the Tamil Tigers [REUTERS]
As recently as 1987, Brian Mulroney, the then prime minister, called parliament back from its summer recess to debate the fallout from the arrival of a boatload of Sikhs from India. The heated rhetoric centred on the possibility that Canada was becoming a haven for those fighting for an independent "Khalistan" carved out of India.
The second factor is a fallout from the so-called Khalistan phenomenon.
Also, perhaps i have asked too many questions or managed to cancel out the auto notice of mail.
2 questions of last week (see above):
question on mysticism - a comparable word in the SGGS/ or in Panjabi
and
a book of interest - History of Sikh Gurus Retold and a very interesting video
Reading a page entitled Amir ul Imla, led me to do a little further reading on the subject. This led to a very interesting book, much of which is available on the net (at least to page 40)
History of Sikh Gurus Retold: 1469-1606 C.E By Surjit Singh Gandhi - link -> http://books.google.com/books?id=qw7-kUkHA_0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Muntakhab%20Ul%20Haqaiq&source=gbs_slider_thumb#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 09:29, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
also please watch: my wife was watching this video , how muslims are treated in america, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbQWxHIn4U ) although the video is about the style of dress of a Muslim, many sikhs have run into this as well. it seems more and more americans are attacking the fringe voices of hate.
copy to:
Sardar ji, in my dreams last night it occurred to me that I should have looked to see who had posted the story on Hacienda de Guru Ram Das, so I am now copying the letter I sent to Gmustuk last night:
Sir, I made a few changes on the page - Hacienda de Guru Ram Das today. My concern is if i have linked to the correct pages. The 3 external links are in this line -
To learn more about our lifestyle at HGRD, please visit 3HO Foundation [1] and Sikh Dharm [2] or [3].
There are so many pages - these seemed the correct ones.
Please review, Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 20:56, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
Sajid KHan apologized
As you know Sajid KHan apologized for his comments against sikh martial act and he agreed that he did not know much about this tradition.
In second round bir khalsa group again performed and judges commented it brilliant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNA-kYIxGoM
(Lucky 09:00, 29 August 2010 (EDT))
sharing
A link for all of you, This was the center story this morning, waking at 3am I looked at the new york times site after enjoying HARPREET'S ji's link to the Gatka round 2 show, the scooter over the two heads seemed to bring the fearful faces this time.
The Harmandar Sahib being at the center of the Times story was icing on the cake. http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/08/29/world/asia/INDIA.html.
Rab Rakha to all, Allenwalla 03:31, 30 August 2010 (EDT)
Waheguru ji ka KHalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh
Khalsa ji, i have to start an article. It is generally said one could not read charitropakhyan before mothers and sisters which is correct as this is study of mature person and of course for males which loss their balance while watching women. which took decisions blindly following woman without using upon their own mind. Gurbani also said so. So The subject was put before by guru sahib to make khalsa parpakh from every pakh of life.
Though as this is subject of Kaam so it is obvious that words related to Kaam will come which is read by mature and interpret it before public, some foolish people are just picking few lines not whole to make granth down. Which is itself not gurmat methodology but cheating.
Now i want to create an article to answer to those people who use to say that Bani could not be written in such words. There are Many - Many lines in Guru Granth Sahib itself which used bed scenes(describing husband wife relation) and other terms like prostitution etc, which are totally ignored by these people.
These people could not understand this fact that Even Guru Granth Sahib, DHUR KI BANI also used such terminology and gurmat is not bound to terminology. Neither Dasam Granth have written anything which these people haven't done in life. This will not degrade the granth because we will give meanings sidewise too, that we are sikhs who understand how to read this content and how to interpret it.
So i am not getting suitable title for that could you pls suggest?
1) Gurmat and Vulgarity
2) Guru Granth Sahib and Kaam Rass Poetry
suggest any...more appropriate which not hurt someone's sentiments and looks ok
(Lucky 17:57, 30 August 2010 (EDT))
Third Killer Performance
Bir Khalsa Group Third Killer Group. Sajid Comment that now he believe that KHalsa have power to stand before lakhs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYxeE8XKrw
Begging
Bhai Sahib ji, I made some changes to the page on begging, please review. This morning coming back to the page (when I woke my computer up) the caption 'glared' at me and as I had never liked the sentence (caption), rather it had always bothered me. I slowed down and read it 'word by word'. After seeing the illustration many times I FINALLY NOTICED the but. So please check the caption now. Also I added a suggestion that people should remind Sadhus and Rishis about Langar and local Gurdwaras. I have seen pictures of such Hindu Holy men in the Golden Temple, years ago, but as Sikhs living in India know such men are probably set in their ways, I doubt anyone would bother to try to get them to a Gurdwara. Perhaps I am a little naive to even suggest inviting them to Langar. In the many films I have viewed on The Harmandar Sahib, I have seen none in the videos.
God Bless, Allenwalla 11:26, 4 October 2010 (EDT)
Will delete to history later.
2nd question of the morning
Sardar ji, one more of my endless questions.
Showing my wife the latest Bir Khalsa 3 Semi Final video this morning, I noticed the photo the Elder Sardars (probably younger than me) gave the judges, only had illustrations of the 10 Human Gurus, but not a picture of the Guru Granth Sahib. Is there a reason for this, as the Granth is the perpetual Guru for Sikhs, it seemed odd to leave it out of the illustrations.
Also as I can understand only a little of the words, not in english, who were the Sardars presenting the photos? Also I would treasure a copy of the photo, perhaps you can advise me where to get one.
Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 12:03, 4 October 2010 (EDT)
Needed translation
Sat Sri Akaal, Sir could you help with an English translation of user:Tojfauj's addition (from Sirdar Kapur Singh's True Stories, Sachi Sakhi ) to the page on Lala Lajpat Rai, as many people, like myself, cannot read Gurmukhi. Hence we have no idea what is being said.
Looking at user:Tojfauj's page I see he or she has not replied to several requests for a little Bio information or to a request for an English translation of the text.
Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 07:24, 10 October 2010 (EDT)
Thanks very much
Sardarji, Excellent job. I will add to the page, if this is not a problem?
Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 09:20, 11 October 2010 (EDT)
Thanks for adding comments
Hari ji, I hope moderator was not an insult, I don't know your accurate title. You are calm and collected, very diplomatic. I am a little less subtle, or tactful when someone fires off insults, rather than contributing themselves.
An interesting solution:
Just wanted to share something I came across will reading background before i commented.
http://sakshijuneja.com/blog/2008/04/08/do-not-spit-bhagwan-ke-wastey/
I noted that no mention of anything to do with Sikhi was said in the story above. I had the thought that anger might ensue, but then I realized there was no need for that, as Sikhs don't go around spitting tobacco or betel juice, because of the Guru's teaching.
Regards, Allenwalla 21:04, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
also, a miracle - the NY Times link to a live feed of the rescue of miners http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/12/latest-updates-on-the-rescue-of-the-chilean-miners/?hp
A page with no text
Hari ji, I came across a page - Gurdwara Nanaksar Sahib, while checking to see if we had a page on the Gurdwara at Hari ke Pattan. The page has only a few photos, one with a sign post in Gurmukhi.
Again I need your help, I don't think the whole sign board needs translation, a location/directions, perhaps. I couldn't find anything here on the Harike Lakeside Gurdwara, but I did add one of many links (a youtube video) of the beautiful Gurdwara.
Thanks for your help.
Allenwalla 15:26, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
Well, a bit of news
Haven't read the whole story yet, but wanted to let you know. Have not even heard this in the US news. http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/jawed-naqvi-can-obama-ignore-bhagat-singh-400
From my side this is very exciting, for such a visit would greatly increase the awareness of just who the Sikhs are,
Kind Regards
Professor Darshan SIngh's article
Article is rightly written. Kindly add these two images in the article. If you are damn follower of Prof. Darshan Singh Khalsa, then no need to add. Thanks.
- Picture Gallery
Prof. Darshan Singh's Tankhia Letter
Prof. Darshan Singh's Tankhia Letter
Veerji
Dear Veerji,
I added my comments to the request by Hpt Lucky ji to add the letter's from the jathedar's.
If possible please add those as well as the previous update I stated with regards to the first paragraph.
As well, are we still planning to do a shadow page?
Thank you ji. --ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕ ਗਰ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ (eikaa baanee eik gur eiko sabadh veechaar.) 05:22, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
Dear veerji.
I totally agree with you with regards to the "present" political nature of the panth.
Akal Takhat was built purposely to face Harmandir Sahib for the precise reason you state. The Granth (Gurbani) and Panth (Political) go hand in hand, but we can only move forward in our decisions if our decisions are enlightened by the Guru's ideology.
Most religions in this time say that Religion and Politics cannot go hand in hand (not necessarily Church and State [that I agree should be separated]), yet our Guru's placed Akal Takhat within the same complex as the most religious asthan for Sikh's world wide - we even recite its importance daily in our ardaas. What sets us apart is our Guru, and the concept of Miri-Piri, where we can harness both our Guru's bachan and use it to set forth our policies as a Sikh Panth.
The only issue we have presently are the wrong people doing seva at those posts. If they were to tread using the Guru as their guide, all our Panthic (Political) issues would disappear, one by one.
It's easy to fend off our political issues like every other religious community in the world and re-state the separation of Panth and Granth, but remember a valid distinction. We are not referring to the politics of a nation and religion (e.g., India, Punjab, USA); our panth is only related to those responsibilities placed upon the Akal Takhat - to be a beacon of light for the Panth with the use of the Granth.
Don't be discouraged by such challenges - we have a responsibility to both the Granth and the Panth*, we cannot not take one and not the other. I hope my comments were sober. Thank you veerji for everything you have done!
Thank you ji! --ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕ ਗਰ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ (eikaa baanee eik gur eiko sabadh veechaar.) 00:55, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
- http://www.ggsacademy.com/youth/camp/camp7-2010: Please listen to the "Aug 4, 2010: Singh Sahib on Akal Takhat" audio. As well as the other's you might find them meaningful.
Sorry Sir
Sir it's all my mistake, i forget that we also maintain articles on Ram Rai, prithi Chand, Dhir Mall, Sri Chand...so why not Professor Darshan ji??
sorry for my sayings, if any help needed in the article do tell. (Lucky 09:47, 22 October 2010 (EDT))
Thanks
Question
Bhai Saheb ji, I have a rather important question. Reading a news story this morning - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/23/us-sikhs-urge-obama-to-vi_n_772632.html?ref=fb&src=sp#sb=605438,b=facebook - has left me wondering just what head covering can a male wear to visit a Gurdwara. Is something like a baseball hat out of bounds?
A so called baseball hat is an official uniform for officers on warships in the US Navy. Would a Kashmiri hat like Nehru and many Hindu politicians wear have to be removed, if a Jew who wears a kippah (part of his religious dress) have to change his head covering, or a jew who wears only a homburg (again as used as part of his religion) need to doff his hat.
What if the Pope were to visit a Gurdwara or the Harmandar Saheb (he also wears a white kippah when not wearing his mitre) have to change his head covering. If a tiny bit of cloth (no more than a handkerchief) is sufficient why not a hat? Its good that barefeet are such a universal thing that while a head covering is being bandied about in the press, as a reason the American Pres. might have to skip a visit to the Harmandar Sahib, taking off his shoes would not cause such a problem.
What head coverings are acceptable? Jesus is often depicted in paintings, wearing a simple white scarf, unfortunately Bin Laden has been photographed wearing the same.
Thanks Allenwalla 12:39, 23 October 2010 (EDT)
Veerji, I also noticed the 3 way conversation over the politics concerning the Akal Takht and the election of the Jathedar. Is the video you spoke of in English, I have not found any mention of the video's title - youtube or whichever site. Perhaps it is the http://www.ggsacademy.com/youth/camp/camp7-2010 ?
Another sad bit of news
Allenwalla 16:27, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
Problem
Bhai Sahib ji, a new user - Shibakuma - had emptied a page and replaced it with an ad. It is now as it was.
Allenwalla 06:04, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
more extensive story
http://public.dawn.com/2010/10/26/saints-and-sinners.html?pid=1321
ta ta, off to the Dentist / AW
Thanks
Went for fillings, unfortunately ended up loosing a tooth - an unexpected surprise.
Hope they publish your post, it seems to be a group of extremists, who want their way at any cost. One person can strike terror by blowing himself up - killing many, like the events under Pol Pot, any one who thinks - is eliminated.
Those who have been caught for planning the suicide missions, have been freed by the courts in Pakistan - not one conviction.
Daily they have pictures of the policemen and soldiers arresting the militants, funny they cover the heads of the criminals, but make the policemen's faces known - so they can be hunted down and killed.
The educated Muslim leaders who speak for any education other than that by a 'primitive uneducated maulvi teaching people only to recite Arabic, (not to grasp the concepts), are being killed - one by one. Daily they kill any tribal leader(elders) who questions them.
Veer ji, the pain pill the Dentist has given me, is, plus the usual lack of sleep, making me very dizzy. See (talk) to you later.
Rabb Rakah, Allenwalla 13:08, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
=How to Delete the account from sikhi wiki
could you please explain how to delete account from sikhiwiki, including contributions? (Avtarsinghdelhi 19:20, 27 October 2010 (EDT))
