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My Papa, the perfect Sikh of the Guru

Hari ji, I have been trying to read the story above, but I am having a very hard time making sense of it. With modifiers coming after words in Punjabi and before them in English things get confused in English.

Is she talking of her father or an adopted 'father' who came to her aid like a super Bhai Kanhaiya. I made some minor changes in the first sentence - perhaps, I have only made matters worse. Did the woman call (phone) or simply knock on the door>

Please revert the page if I have muddled things.

Thanks, Allenwalla 09:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Mischief not

Plese refer to my talk page.

Thanks for your words. Sant reyn seems to be a serious contributor. My comments seem to have offended him for he compares me to the taleban and tells me he is taking my contributions up with the Akal Takht, many important people, ect. I do not know his words are meant as a threat.

I have only the highest regard for 3HO and Gurmustuk Singh, Hari Singh (you), the Akal Takht and Avtar Singh Makkar of the SGPC in Amritsar and the Damdami Taksal (to whom I have written and have even wished I had years or the chance to study with). I hope my sewa here has been positive. I doubt that the SGPC is even aware of the maps (which I consider as my most useful contribution) I have done to help guide people around the Harmandar Sahib.

I would rather be anonymous, hence the use of a pen name, as I think that is what seva is about - I only signed the maps with my takhallus, giving credit to Sikhiwiki.

I cannot imagine saying to someone - I hope there are no more like you. Certainly an arrow without a Golden tip.

Hari ji, do you ever wish (as I do) that the old traditions, once so valued in Punjab - where Guru Nanak or you or I could sit together and learn from each other- and part knowing our exchange has enlivened us? Hard for me to find the value sometimes in others words, yet I know they all can come from only one place.

I see this forum as the closest thing to that tradition.

Sant reyn tells me that their are living people who know what Guru Gobind Singh said.

I am sorry to say that I don't know who the 'real Sant reyn is or what the words mean and I can't find any reference on the www, only that people use the name -- that is why I have always been asking people to translate Punjabi words - for one letter can make knowledge so hard to come by.

Amrit vela, is so wonderful, only the sound of rain - life is such a gift. Sarbhat da Bhala! Allenwalla 11:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


Wanted to ask if there are softwares to translate english webpages to punjabi. Don't see one for google translation? Also are there any good sites in Punjabi, that have considerable coverage on sikh or any topics? Looked but mostly find only news sites. Gman124 16:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Hari Sigh ji, will look into those sites and see if i can use any for references on Punjabi wiki. Gman124 01:48, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Bhai Sahib ji, thanks again.

Your help on the Babaji article has made the article much richer in meaning. I will work a bit on the page as their must be others in the world who don't 'get' the inside meaning here.

Also their are 2 new words I could use help with

parupkari -

Tikana -

These are in an article by Sant Reyn and I am afraid he would only be bothered by any questions from me - ti and kana (room?) are particularly interesting. Search shows both as names or institutions.

I just found Tikana as the preferred term for a sevapanthi centre, But what is the Ti (Di?)

Allenwalla 18:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

The back up is welcomed

Hari ji, Thanks my talk was getting a little long.

The word Parupkaar certainly fits the the Papaji of the story. Their was a movie a few years back called pass it forward. I saw bits of it. it was about doing a good turn for another when someone did you a good turn.

Certainly a good practice to live by. Thanks again for the help.

Raab Rakha, Allenwalla 03:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Possible conflict

Hari ji, Editing tonight I came across two articles that have basically the same content. One without a photo is longer, but needs work.

The second is shorter and has a (poor) photo. I expect something is wrong here. Should be articles be combined? They both refer to Gurdwara Chatti Padshahi Rajouri.

refer to

Gurdwara Chatti Patshahi Bangla Sahib …e chance to present her Cholla to Guru Ji. Having seen the plight of Mai Bhagpari in his dream, Guru Ji decided to visit Kashmir to take the present from … 4 KB (601 words) - 05:26, 6 February 2010

Gurdwara Chatti Padshahi Rajouri …nd Sahib Ji Maharaj had a dream that Mai Bhagwanti (popularly known as Mai Bhagpari) in Kashmir had prepared a cholla (long shirt) for Guru Ji and she was pra…

As only an avid reader - I only understand the word Bangla to mean (Bengal) or a spirit loved by the residents of Anand Nagar the Shanti town in Kolkata.

Sorry to bother again, perhaps Chatti Patshahi Bangla Sahib has other meanings. I guess Chatti Patshahi to be similar in meaning to the Maharatra term - Chatrapatti, (Great King or Master), but here Bangla's use eludes me. Perhaps it's another way to say the 6th Guru.

Thanks for any help. Allenwalla 05:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


Sir ji,

ਵਹਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਹਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ,,,,,,,ਜੀ,

Thanx for the message, we all are fine here and I always thik of three persons when I click sikhiwiki, You, Richard sir and Harpreet veer.You all do a lot of work on sikhiwiki which requires a lot of time and dedication. May Waheguru keep you always in Chardi Kala.

Regarding the word chatti its most commonly used as sixth in our state , Kashmir’s most famous Gurdwara Sahib is also called Gurdwara Chatti Patshahi,Kathi Darwaja,Rainwari,Srinagar

The both articles of Gurdwara Sahib of Rojouri can be combined as both depicts the same Gurdwara Sahib.

--user:sarbjeet_1313me 12:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

PS: Kindly click orkut sikhiwiki and you will find a 'Send Message' option on the middle left of the screen that option is exclusive for the Owner.I am requesting you to kindly send a message by clicking that link, this your message will go to all members of sikhiwiki team on orkut in a single click.

See you are logged in

Bhai Sahib, Hari ji, I have written a page on the Sewapanthi/Addanshahi Sampardaye. I had invited sant rayn to do this or tell me where I could find some of the books he mentioned. Since he wishes, not to hear from me again, I am not going to bother him by asking him to review it.

Researching their sight, I saw much info re. Bhai Kanhaiya that should be in his article here. I also had asked the gentleman to add a reference for the name Ramzan Khan as the leader of the attack on Anandpur Sahib. I could not find the name anywhere on the net - only thousands of people named that. On their site the name is used, that is the source. I have no idea where they found the reference-doesn't matter. He may have thought I was attempting to correct him. I only wanted to read some history I didn't know.

Wazir Khan?

Perhaps, This Ramzan Khan is the ruler of Sarhind, who everywhere else is only referred to as Wazir Khan. I have never heard or read of Wazir khan being part of the attack on Anandpur, just hill-chiefs and and Mughal elements the Hill chiefs had managed to scare up.

Please look over the page if you have time and my notes on article talk page. It's an invitation for him or anyone to expand or improve the article.

Some very good word definitions on their site as well. Interestingly while most of the Udasis, save one who earned a place in history, desserted Guru Gobind Sing in the attack near Nathan, a Sevapanth Khalsa who was captured, during the even though he didn't carry a weapon, when the Sikhs were being head hunted, refused to be released when he was offered a pass by claiming to be a Sikh of Guru Nanak - proudly saying he was a Sikh of the Khalsa.

Have a good day, getting late here, 2:00 am, Hope all is well with the Hari Singh family Allenwalla 06:44, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


Sir ji,

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa

Waheguru ji ki Fateh,

I need a message from you as the Moderator/Administrator to all the sikhiwiki orkutians , please try once again you can do it in a single click. Kindly click orkut sikhiwiki and you will find a 'Send Message' option on the middle left of the screen that option is exclusive for the Owner.I am requesting you to kindly send a message by clicking that link, this your message will go to all members of sikhiwiki team on orkut in a single click. Scrapbook is usertalk page others can write on your SB and you can write on other's Scrap Books.

Anyways thanks for the prompt reply.

Guru Rakha.

--user:sarbjeet_1313me 10:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Great page of info

Sikh Rule and the Kashmiri Pandits Administrators

Hari ji, came across this page when looking to cange a red link ref to Kashmiri Pandits for one of Sarbjeet's pages. It has many names and some words for possible research and articles. Will suggest this to Sarbjeet. I will have to investigate the link that sends a message to all-sounds like a time saving article.

Guru Rakha, Allenwalla 02:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Kindly look at my usertalk page and make it more easy[Archive].


--user:sarbjeet_1313me 12:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I need your help

Hari ji, today I was again looking at the site for the Sevapanthis organization and I saw the following quote,

Behold the Supreme everywhere, Hear the Supreme in all, Discourse on One and one alone.
The Supreme Being has manifested itself in all.
The Supreme alone is the creator. Know not other than the Supreme.

Attributed to the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, I like the quote very much and wanted to use it, but I wanted to add the page, However no matter how I try a line at a time - line by line or the whole, I only get page after page that refers to Hindu Gurus, Shiva, Vishnu and even German philosophers. I can find no reference, so far, to the Guru Granth Sahib.

Can you tell me which page the lines are from? I have seen it many times, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Apparently this translation has gotten , perhaps to far away from the standard translations.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Das Allenwalla 14:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


Hari ji, thanks for the trouble you have already gone to over my request.

I have seen this sort of thing before on the net, I figure its some font defaulted so I did not bother to include it.

<>siqgurpRswid ] bRhmu dIsY bRhmu suxIAY eyku vKwxIAY ] Awqm pswrw krxhwrw pRB ibnw nhI jwxIAY ] (pMnw 846)

the link is - perhaps you have fonts installed that will work.

Perhaps the 846 is the page, I will try there first. But looking on that page (below) only a few lines at the bottom seem similar but yet very different from the translation i am trying to find.

Is this correct or does it give you a better clue?

ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਰਲੀ ਸੰਪੂਰਨ੝ ਥੀਆ ਰਾਮ ॥
jothee joth ralee sanpooran thheeaa raam ||
One's light blends with the Light, and one becomes totally perfect.
ਬ੝ਰਹਮ੝ ਦੀਸੈ ਬ੝ਰਹਮ੝ ਸ੝ਣੀਝ ਝਕ੝ ਝਕ੝ ਵਖਾਣੀਝ ॥
breham dheesai breham suneeai eaek eaek vakhaaneeai ||
I see God, hear God, and speak of the One and only God.
ਆਤਮ ਪਸਾਰਾ ਕਰਣਹਾਰਾ ਪ੝ਰਭ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੀਝ ॥
aatham pasaaraa karanehaaraa prabh binaa nehee jaaneeai ||
The soul is the Creator of the expanse of creation. Without God, I know no other at all.
ਆਪਿ ਕਰਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਭ੝ਗਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਕਾਰਣ੝ ਕੀਆ ॥
aap karathaa aap bhugathaa aap kaaran keeaa ||
He Himself is the Creator, and He Himself is the Enjoyer. He created the Creation.
ਬਿਨਵੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਸੇਈ ਜਾਣਹਿ ਜਿਨ੝ਹ੝ਹੀ ਹਰਿ ਰਸ੝ ਪੀਆ ॥੪॥੨॥
binavanth naanak saeee jaanehi jinhee har ras peeaa ||4||2||
Prays Nanak, they alone know this, who drink in the subtle essence of the Lord. ||4||2||

Thanks again Allenwalla 23:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

and another thought

The trouble with letters and words (spelling) let alone translating whole sentences became evident today clearly.

Today I felt good enough to sit and work on the old computer next to my wife who was woking on her college photoshop course. Taking a break (she belongs to a group of women who meet to knit together). she looked at a film on youtube that one of the group had posted. Some of the women also spin and one, knowing that others had neverheard of homespun in India, having just disscovered it herself, posted the link. It was an ancient film on homespun probably before my birth. When the old film finished I saw the title which refered to homespun as Kadi.

I remarked it was strange that someone in India would have spelled it that way, as it probably should be spelled kaadi or have a dash over the a.

Like pronouncing the word for key as jabi or chabi - you get different meanings.

She later looked up kadi and found only pages on different stuff. She tried kaadi and found many pages on homespun and that Kaadi is now a company in Pakistan shipping homespun around the world. So when only a letter can make such a difference, ideas become even more difficult as one tries to translate whole sentences and ends up adding in his own interpretations, opinions and education, as well.


Hari ji,At least our numerals are understandable around the world, since they started in India, but even those are different in the middle east, east asia, ect - did not know of the font converter. So would most Indians who would look up a site like the sewapanthi site have fonts loaded that would make the Bani appear in Punjabi. I can see the Panjabi. IIs there a true type font that can be put on the site or that I can down load somewhere. Allenwalla 04:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC) Thanks very much for your help Allenwalla 04:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Martial Skills/Sikhs

Hari ji, This is one of the several headlines I saw today and yesterday

Wednesday, 10 February 2010 / South Asian Games – India dominates, but Pakistan’s Naseem Hameed steals the show at Dhaka, Bangladesh – The 11th South Asian Games.

It would seem to have little to do with Sikhs (having a Pakistani woman winning gold (but she is a woman, while she is not a Kaur she is fromRawalpindi, near where many Sikh Gurus spoke out for the rights of women, but I also noticed that two men (Sikhs or Rajputs at least) had won awards in old skills the Sikhs trained/train in (at least the Nihangs today) -

1. Zafar Iqbal (Pak) 16.05, 2. Saurabh Singh (Ind) 15.27, 3. Nishan Kumara (Sri) 15.19; Discus Throw (6): 1. Basharat Ali (Pak) 52.43, 2. Simranjeet Singh (Ind) 49.18, 3. Azharul Islam (Ban) 44.98; Javelin Throw (7):

If the men are Sikhs, I think the story would be a good one, but this is all I can find, since it is the Asian games maybe their's more news over there.


Also I had noticed (in the recent changes box where I look to see if the things about to come up have corrections to be made that you mentioned locking the article on Professor Darshan Singh Khalsa. I remembered that I had done some changes and looked to see if I was causing a problem. I sometimes feel that I have read every story here (word by word), but I am always surprised to find many new pages when I use the random page feature.

Anyway I looked in the history and was surprised to see that under my name it looked like the word Khalsa had been removed (one, including me, unfamiliar with how this history page works might think that I had removed the word Khalsa). My first thought was, I had no memory of doing that-not my business to do that--I was confused. I finally figured out that my changes showed up in the previous page (↝ Older edit) where I added brackets, as I usually do when I see someone's name or an event that I haven't read or don't remember reading of. In this case two wonderful men, whose lives warms one's (mine) heart to read. I had added the brackets that cause a link - '''Giani Sant Singh Maskeen''' and '''Bhai Jasbir Singh''' Khannewale. I also took out the dash that the person before me had put in Khannewale (because that is the way the name is spelled on his page. Then I looked up the men and learned some more. Also I had altered - and many more- to say - and there are many more, and many more is a rather flipant ending to cartoons, ect.

Seems that one of the biggest problems is that people add brackets, without bothering to see they come up red - usually because they have spelled a word differently or added a title or honorable superlative inside the brackets.

My aim whenever I edit a page is to have the page look worthy of the Guru, without errors that often have spelled silly or almost vulgar things or little things that pranksters have added in - such as the big photo that had RSS photoshopped in in huge letters that had gone unseen. When I read Guru Hari Krishna on a page (Sikh Gurus) I don't know if that is (a. an older way) (b. mischief) (c. a typo OCR), but I am aware of a lot of history with people attacking Sikhi I have read elsewhere using the spelling.

I imagine that I am someone who (I learn more each day) knows nothing about Sikhi or Sikhs, who has come to this site wanting to learn about Sikh History. Say they saw a Sikh helping someone, like the recent Babaji story - where even with my being fairly knowledgeable about Sikhi - I could not tell if the man was her own father that she had been estranged from or a perfect stranger (as he was) who was being a saint honoring his Guru. I see each page as a jewel box that invites entry into Sikh history with links leading young kids (or older folks) who only speak english in to the marvelous history that the story of Sikhi is.

I'll stay out of the story on Professor Darshan Singh, while someone took out the word Khalsa in the story, the name of the page still includes Khalsa.

Allenwalla 17:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


Links added see recent changes, hopefully the Chali Mukte pge will be all/ R

Talk:Gurbani and women

Hari ji - I added some problems in the page. See Talk:Gurbani and women

Seeking your thoughts on possible changes needed. Thanks Allenwalla 07:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I will correct if you agree. Good night Ardas time.

Interesting story on women and their faces

The story from the times of India over the french law says the burka was a Persian or Afghani tribal custom, never used in Arabia before it got to Persia.

Gobindgharh fort

Hari ji, reading a line in the story of the fort a line struck me as out of place..

Located on the northwestern boundary of India, it was here that Maharaja Ranjit Singh and his army had, for the first time succeeded in shutting the Khyber Pass and preventing the invaders from invading India in the early 19th century.

I never saw Amritsar as being next to the Kyber pass. I guess the sentence should read - Now Located on the northwestern boundary of India, I did not know that Maharaja Ranjit Singh closed the Kyber Pass from Amritsar - seems like a long commute.

Sat Sri Akaal

Sat sri akal sir ji how are you hope life is going well!!!!

Sir ji ik gal kehni c, Please do not touch Charitropakhyan topics because i don't think we could interpret it well. We have worldly meanings for worldly topics. Before giving any conclusion think twice thrice pentice..... or do not touch and tell others not to work on them. You can touch Akal Ustat, Etc etc. There are many wrong topics about Guru Granth Sahib which are not in light of guru granth sahib. Charitropakhyan bohot sanvedansheel topic hai, ihnu touch karuge then it would be problem.

First find:

Why Charitropakhyan was written?
Why a person wrote charitropakhyan?
What is Triyaa?
What is Charitar?
What is SHudh Charitar and Ashudh Charitar?
In many charitars there is updesh of brahmgyan, do you know what are those?

so these are some basic questions which need some deep answers to shut everyonce mouth then we could continue with topic. Hope you understand. try to find answers of five imp. questions given above. Charitropakhyan article need to create again. (Lucky 13:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC))

Criticissm on Prof Darshan Singh's narration at rochester Gurdwara to a tale from Dasam Granth about Guru Gobind Singh visiting a prostitute and running away from her

waheguruji kaa khalsa! waheguruJi Kee Fateh!

About what professor Ji said at rochester in relation to prostitute and Shri Guru Gobind Singh giving reference to Dasam Granth tale ;exactly can be heard from link .In nutshell I after going through article Charitar 21 of sikhi wiki as per your suggestion common people like me should not enter into discussion on topics which are matter of discussion and controversy for even the well learned people. My limitation is I have a surface knowledge wheras learned people who had greatly studied the subject can have their own interpretations by analytically analyzing things.So to say exactly , my own intellect or study is not enough to discuss on this subject. I therefore go in line with your advice given at another place that we have Guru Granth Sahib with us to guide us on righteous path and we should concentrate on that and leave this topic for better learned people to decide.Although by putting my discussion on talk page of Charitropakhyan article I have somewhat better understanding of the controversy over Charitropakhyan but i should better leave this topic here for learned people to decide.--Guglani 16:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC) p.s.sir,you may paste my these comments along side my earlier comments on talk page of Charitropakhyan

a minor conflict

Bhai Sahi ji, as you know i think it's important for the stories here to be accurate. Possibly so little a thing as this is unsignificant, but to find two pages that claim the same thing bothers me. However I am sure this probably happened quite innocently, as any number of things could be the cause.

Reading of Gurdwara Nanak Shahi, Dhaka tonight, I found the statement that Dhaka was where Guru Tegh Bahadur found out about his son's birth, but I remembered reading earlier that Gurdwara Guru Tegh Bahadur, Munger was where the word got to Guru Tegh Bahadur.

Gurdwara Guru Tegh Bahadur, Munger is in a bad state and could use the fact to be true as maybe (certainly if the truth) it would bring an effort to help in the restoration of the Gurdwara that is certainly far less grander. I don't know if there is someway to find which story is correct, but I think that the correct one should keep the statement. I don't know if Munger and Dhaka are near each other. Only one could be where the Guru was when he got the news.

Thanks, Allenwalla 03:51, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


Hari ji, I think that's a good idea, however each place may be upset as such claims effect the attraction to a particular site as do the relics associated with each site. Possibly best just to leave such claims alone.

I was also very surprised by the mention of a copy of a portrait (painted in oil) of an original portrait for which Guru Nanak Dev posed. But even more remarkable was the account of Guru Nanak Dev having taken the painter's brush and painted his own likeness in water colour. This is the first mention of Guru Nanak also being an artist that I know of.

Such a painting would seem very valuable (priceless) so reading that paper work is being searched for - I am surprised that Gianis and many other Sikhs have not camped out at the museum and found the portrait. Hard to believe anyone would let such a painting out of his hands.

I don't know how one would ever prove the provenance on such a painting, would quiet those who I have seen objecting to images on the articles if Guru Nanak was an artist as well.

Das, Allenwalla 08:51, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Some Hindu attacked on Website

Sat Sri Akal,

User:Kv rangan have changed the article in which he felt is against philosphy of hinduism(Sikhism philosphy is against hinduism and he is suffering from loose motions i think). He do no know about his religion. If we would tell him he will die of pity (for hindus). kindly revert back the articles touched by this hindu. Thanking you (Lucky 17:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC))

Review please

Bhai Sahib ji, Please review Talk:Vivekananda and Ramakrishna on Sikhism and see if the article covers the original reason for the page in the first page.

The article seemed to be a lot of smut, he like the rest of humanity might have many faults, but I don't think that Sikhiwiki is the place to wash peoples 'dirty laundry'.

Raab Rakha, Allenwalla 14:07, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Please read the article, I think that such trash is better in the tabloids, I was ashamed to see it here, but please revert if need be.

Very Bad News

Bhai Sahib, I saw this tragic news today, I don't know if most of you (active contributors and users) read Dawn often so I thought this was the best place to post the story. I thought to change the title to make the news easier, but I don't think there is anyway to do that.

Sikh Beheaded If for any reason it would be better to change the title or delete the story please do so. I will leave that to your wisdom.

There are few details, last year they had kidnapped a Sikh elder, demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars or he would be killed.

Sikhs forced to pay millions to Taleban on that occasion everyone was lucky to reach the safety of Punja Sahib. aw

Last night i was reading Freedom at Midnight and the story of Sant Singh, a Sikh who had been wounded at Gallipoli. He had been awarded some land as were thousands of other Sikh soldiers in WWI on reclaimed land when the British had a canal dug between the Ravi and the Sutlej. He had worked 27 years clearing the land and building a 5 room house for his wife and children, when ('47) one of his Muslim field workers brought him a pamplet the Muslims were passing around the area secretly. He and 5 other Sikhs under the command of an 80 year old former sergeant were tasked with guarding all of the village's women escaped, right before they were attacked.

Near the village of Birwalla their truck ran out of gas. About to shoot all their wives and daughters, least they be taken by the mobs a miracle saved them (page 301) when Muslim soldiers came to their aid. (better to read the book)

I am sure the Sikhs in the village in Oraksai feel like Santa Singh said of his home, village and Gurdwara that he had helped to build -that their homes, farms and businesses were their pride and the measure of their life's achievements.


Thanks for changing the title, I assume the taleban had kidnapped the men for ransom like last year. Allenwalla 20:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


Hari ji, I was thinking that it would be useful to collect the stories of Sikhs who lived through the partition. Those who escaped or had friends and family killed. Here (USA) with veterans of WWII dying off, there has been a push to collect the stories of men who lived through he war.

I had 2 different father-in-laws who fought in the war. One was in the Bataan Death March (B-17 engineer) and was forced to mine coal in Japan. The other was a GI who fought from island to island and served in occupied Japan. My father was in the Navy in the big battles at sea for the last 3 years. None of them ever talked about the war. They never talked about the war and I am sorry to say I didn't ask.

I am sure that those who escaped from Pakistan have many stories to tell, if not they will soon die with them. Perhaps someone is already doing this. Perhaps many just want to forget.

I remembered several stories I have read here, but couldn't find them. Finally I remembered one word that was in several of the stories -- afim - and I was able to locate two of them (1947 Massacre at Thoa Khalsa and Operation Shudeekaran.

They were under the category of History. I tried to add Partition or Massacres, but my attempt failed. It seems that there should be some word under which all could easily be accessed, such as the killings after 9/11 or the murder in Oraksai or the Chhota or Wadda Ghalughara, the Partition of Punjab, sections of the Punjab insurgency, WEST PUNJAB ABLAZE or FRONTIER PROVINCE AND D. I. KHAN which i found under Category: Partition 1947, the Nanavati Commission Report or the 1984 Massacre of Sikhs.

Some of the above were under various categories or none at all, it's getting hard to remember them all - can a page have more than one category?

Thanks Allenwalla 22:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

suggested links for home page:

Sikh Channel Chardikala TV

A need for a policy?

Hari ji, I noticed tonight that a new user (Manjotsinghkhaira) has gone through the pages on Guru Nanak Dev and Guru Gobind Singh ji, adding superlatives. In doing so he has undone the work of many contributors who took the time to link articles (by the hundreds, if not thousands as now, where there were working links in blue, there are now many links in red - i.e. they no longer work.

The last time I tried to inform someone of the results of his/her doing this, the person took offense, but if someone wants to do this I think they need to be made aware of what they are doing and should then correct each file case by case by changing the file's name as well.

Often I have noticed people adding superlatives, changing spelling, ect. where unless you are aware of ji or jee, Shri, Sri or Siri finding a file is very difficult.

I have seen people going to war with each other over this in Wikipedia as members of one religion add their special superlatives and take off others from people of another religion.

Basically it seems if someone is doing this, putting in a ji vs. a jee, ect. - that the person should then do a search on Siri (for instance) and then change every article where the links now no longer work. However very few people bother to notice the problems they have caused.

As I open a file I often find articles with red links and then try to make them all work, as i have learned a lot about people and places because one file leading to another by a simple click enhances learning where having links in red limits learning.

Somewhere I have seen some guidelines in the past about writing in all caps. Perhaps this should be in he welcome that you usually add with each new contributor.

Thanks Allenwalla 05:35, 22 February 2010 (UTC) I forgot Bhai, Veer, Veerji and Veer ji, Baba , Bebe, Sant/Saint, ect.


Once I was asked who I would list as the most fearsome swordsmen/warriors in history, someone said the greeks, another the samurais and one the ninjas. i said the Sikhs, I had to explain who the Sikhs were as no one new anything about India or Sikh history. If americans new anything of Sikh history, if there were epic movies of the Sikhs and the fight to end Mughal rule - people would have been able to tell the difference in turbans, ect after 9/11. Unfortunately there are those who resist telling the history in film, but some Sikhs are entering politics, things are changing-slowly. aw

Good news

Two kidnapped Sikhs rescued in Khyber, this morning's news from

Unacceptable usernames and a link

Veer ji, Sometimes I wonder over how you can tell a user name is objectional, as I can't tell what was objectionable in some I have seen rejected. Of course with your skill set (languages) you can see things I can't, but I was about to tell you about Ahmadsfryez when I noticed you had Xed it already - even I wondered about that one.

We have awoke to a nice heavy snow this morning they predict 4-5 inches. Makes everything look so clean and pure.

As to your wondering when the (band of students) would evolve out of war and killing, I am afraid their is much evolution yet to be done. However I was very encouraged by an attempt by one of your fellow countrymen this morning. this is the first time I have seen so respected a scholar not only condemn terrorism, but specifically tell would be bombers (at least any that might leave England for Afghanistan, Africa or Pakistan) not to expect to be sharing a meal with the heroes of Islam after blowing themselves up, but rather expect to find themselves with Iblis. He is a very brave man, may Allah (God) protect him.

Yesterday, after having read of the violence in Punjab, by the Deras follower's, who burned busses, two wheelers, ect. because they were angered that their sect's leader had been given another murder charge, I noticed that in Karnataka a newspaper had published a 'story by Taslima Nasreen', who had said some things about women and Burkas. This had so angered some that they had gone on a wild rampage burning cars, buses, moterbikes and businesses - two people ended up losing their lives. I wondered what could the woman have written that could inspire men to such anger, but could find not a word. This morning at 4 Taslima Nasreen herself was in an article saying that she had never written an article for the paper and more to the point had never written in any of her work the things that the article attributed to her.

Seems it was someone playing with others lives just to incite communal violence.

Rabb Rakhaa, aw

clarity on using copyrighted or other peoples work

Hari ji, I remember reading of some troubles caused by Lucky ji, he also told me of the problem, he not knowing that copying whole articles wasn't o.k.

I have seen you, myself and others using portions of say a wikipedia page - basically putting together our own pages from multiple resources.

Whole wikipedia pages are now being added, is this o.k.? I have removed the useless info box that doesn't work on this wiki (Moyals) and I added (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) as well.

Can you advise me of the rules, is this a public domain or free resource. Since the history of the pages is not copied as well, would these people have a right to complain?

Advise needed Allenwalla 01:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

If this is aboveboard, it seems we could just copy all articles having to do with Sikhs - such articles also include many things that have no relation to Sikhi.

Talk:Harmandar sahib gurdwara complex

Changed per your suggestion

Seeking advise

Wow Hari ji, I've never seen so many new people actively contributing. Really good to see.

As to my request for advise, I like you would like to see hatred and wars come to an end, but history needs to be kept alive such as the 47 and 85 massacres the deaths of Guru Arjan Dev, Guru Tegh Bahadur, ect. at least until men quit doing such stuff.

My particular concern is over an amazingly awful, all to easy to believe page I came across today. While the group is referred to as an alleged militant group - they are definitely a religious hate group as their is no doubt from the page Al-Muhajiroun & Religious hatred that the group intended to incite violence and did every thing it could to do, as the laws say in India - hurt the feelings of those of other religions. Such talk from a Hindu or Christian group in Pakistan would end in the group members being hunted down and killed. If they were lucky enough to be caught by the police they would be charged with blasphemy and likely executed.

My first thought, I could hardly believe they weren't arrested and I am amazed that Chaudary feels safe to walk the streets. (apparently he now also has police protection) I was going to ask you to dump the article. There is really some vicious statements made about Sikhi. Their poster is really offensive, but I guess it is wise to be aware of their hatred.

I did, however, remove their ad info at the end of the poster that had been included. With your living in England I guess this is old stuff to you. I added some recent news that the group has been outlawed.

I don't know if you have seen the page, perhaps it should be removed. Thanks Allenwalla 01:33, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

another ad?

odd name at least, ImpartialReviewOnlineSportsBooksCasino

image problem

I don't know if this is worth bothering about.

Hari ji, Working on the latest new photoshop, a version I have not used before, I straightened the image of Guru Nanak and finished what looked like a roman style laurel wreath into a complete halo. Working also on a computer I don't usually work on - my I-mac hard drive fried recently and I have yet to load my programs.

Anyway trying to import the image I could get nothing to work. I kept getting - File:Kauda-cannibal1.gif - without the image prefix. Frustrated, i am giving up tonight.

I also noticed you had done the same thing today. It had always looked like the figure of Guru Nanak was leaning backwards as if in fright this would bother me each time i came across the picture. Feet must be under ones head to stay balanced. Allenwalla 04:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Please dump my multiple attempts

Khalsa ji,

There is need to fuse two articles on the sikhs in assam into One article. See on the main page of also a need to organise the article regarding sikhs in Australia, woolgoonga and papua new guinea into one Main artilce with subcategories leading to three different pages..

Also there is need to fuse categories and Sikhs Worldwide either into one category or give the links to both categories at the end of all related aritlces.

Thanks a lot.. for looking into this matter..

Gurdwara Fatehgarh Sahib

is Gurudwara Fategarh Sahib and Gurdwara Fatehgarh Sahib the same gurdwara or is Gurudwara Fategarh Sahib a diferent one. Im asking because the person that redirected Gurudwara Fategarh Sahib to Gurdwara Fatehgarh Sahib was blocked for removing content. Gman124 21:05, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Also wouldn;t it be better to merge Baba buddha sahib into Baba Buddha. I think would be better for readers to have one page rather than two. Also is there a community page to talk about stuff like that? Gman124 23:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
a;so the following 2 artciles are also about the same gurudwara: Gurdwara Manji Sahib (Alamgir) and Gurudwara Manji Sahib (Alamgir) Gman124 23:46, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Help please

Bhai Sahib ji, I was trying to make a link to an article on Wikipedia. I have seen you do this many times, but I never bothered to learn how to myself.

In editing some on the page Ravidasi today I came across the name Mirabai, which I have heard over the years. Nothing was here as she was connected possibly to Baghat Ravidas. Looking on wikipedia - under Meera I found an excellent article.

Seems she was possibly also connected to Tansen, but that is questioned.

Just wanted to add a skill.

Thanks, Allenwalla 00:30, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

How are you? i was reading few articles of Harpal Singh Kasoor who is doing research on Nanak travels to Far east and Far west. As you have relation with africa, i want to ask few questions i you could reply then please do so...... 1) Harpal Singh Kasoor said Makindu Sikh Temple(Makindu(kenya)) was visited by Guru Nanak. I heard about this Sikh temple before but never heard such history associatied with it. Is this true acc. to you or your sources? is their any possibility of nanak visiting their?...... 2) Harpal Singh Kasoor also states sixth guru's visit to Africa. Have you heard that before or is this new discovery?

We are working on history of Hargobind Ji, i want you to confirm this from sources you have that is this truth or Mr. Historian is just throwing dirt in Sikh's eyes.

May Gurmat bless. (Lucky 18:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC))

Article of interest

Bhai Sahib, while reading the page on Navneet Singh Khadian, I wanted to better understand what went on at Bidar and why it happened.

Looking for some history, I usually read several articles (down the search page). I typed in Sikhs killed in Bidar, I didn't know anything about the city the engineering school that Navneet attended or why of all places Sikhs would be killed north of Hyderabad.

The very first entry from J-Stor (they only give you the first page - you have to buy a membership) was very informative.

Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 21:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)