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Sat Shri Akaal, Sir How are you? Howz Life Going. Sunny Had done the great job of updating the photos of Gurdwaras in pakistan and some info about khalistan movement to. Allen is also doing cool job of acquiring knolwdge and corrections. Well, The Photos of [[Jagriti yatra has been uploaded and yes gurdwara bhai joga singh article is updated, after adding some more inforation to it which is at hoshiarpur in my room(present m at home), artcile will be submitted for the featured article. also updated photos of bhai Joga singh gurdwara. Tomarrow i'm moving to Fatehgarh sahib, hope more photos i will capture. If you know something about fatehgarh sahib and want me to capture it too then tell me till 12:00 night. I was not able to edit the photographs, slow system due to viruse or something else i dont know. i want you or allen or someone else do the same purpose. Sat Shri Akaal(Lucky 00:14, 6 April 2008 (MDT))


Thanks for the welcome. Koolkat 10:34, 6 April 2008 (MDT)

A problem While Uploading Images

These Kind Of Problem came when i use to upload images.

Could not copy file "/tmp/phpVU4kmV" to  

Well Thats the best pic clicked as there is not much space to click the image if you want any clear image then i will find but: the following images are only available there is no other angle to take snap as gurdwara is situated in very tight street, mohalla shekhon you can watch one of following:

  • i have uploaded pics mostly which are clicked from different angles and Gurdwara Bibangarh also shown here. Due to less time i was not able to click jyoti swaroop , chevin patshahi and third one koi na fir rabb nae sadeyaa khich leyavangaa. Know i am taking your camera wid me to hoshiarpur there we are planning for local tour of historical gurdwaras. Lets see

Sorry i will not available here for a week or may be upto month or two exams are near by, 1th may and have to prepare for it. Tomarrow going back to hoshiarpur if get time i will give darshan here. No Internet facility there and we have disconeected that raddhi BSNL connection. I think i will come back after this week so meet you then or after two weeks. Sorry again. May be this time i would collect more info for sikhiwiki. (Lucky 08:36, 7 April 2008 (MDT))

sat sri akal

singhji, don't you think that Three Pillars is not the right phrase. guruji laid down these guidlines for us

  • Sat, Santokh, Vichar
  • Daya, Dharam, Dan
  • Sidak, Sabar, Sanjam
  • Khima, Garibi(humility), Seva
  • Gyan, Krit. (Dr. Tirlochan Singh)
  1. They in short become Naam Japo, Krit Karo, Wand ke Chako.

A pillar is an Islamist thing. What do you think? i think the heading name or title needs to be something else than "three pillars"(It is a copy). guruji never copied anything, he was inspired by waheguru himself.Koolkat 09:53, 7 April 2008 (MDT)

Sat Shri Akaal Again

This time when i will go to Bhai Joga singh gurdwara i will try a new method i will enter in someones house and click from the top of any roof. Know you must be thinking how can i enter in any house. there are some houses on which a board is there called "Tera Ghar" view pic of Amrik singh hundal a board at back it is written...............if you enter in these houses the persons living here will not throw out of the house. This is the Mahanata of hoshiarpurias, specially these people. Tera Ghar what a phrase............Guru Nanak Said Tera Tera mera mujh mein kujh nahin. Sly these guys are amazingly following there path and these people will allow me to take photograph from there houses, such a great people, one more thing about hoshiarpur here people of all communities jointly organizes any dharmik functions. Well I will click the photographs from wide angle do not take tension, Main ithey matha tekan jaanda rehndaa haan. Flickr is heavy site for me.

I will do that subpaging when i will get the time. Know i am going to sleep.

About that problem talk with the software guru please. Sat Shri Akaal(Lucky 11:29, 7 April 2008 (MDT))

A few questions when you have any time

Sat Shri Akaal. Hari ji. I have two other questions, besides my questions on trying to understand the many Shaheed articles of late.

A few years back i asked Harbans Singh Lal about the significance of the umbrella in much Sikhi imagery or Architecture - he told me there was none or he didn't know of any. Yet, on every, or at least many, gurdwaras there is an umbrella with a rim of dangling drops just below the Khanda on the Nishan Sahib. I am looking at Lucky ji's Image:Topharmandir.jpg where one is featured. Is this nothing more than a decoration. The same sort of umbrella made its way into victorian design where it with a ring of prisms is part of many chandaliers.

I have always thought of this as a symbol for 'celestial' or God's authority yet Harbins Singh saying there was none.

The other question which is clearly visible in the same photo is, why is the Nishan Sahib not just a flag but also a cloth covering, seemingly continuous, for the Pole as well?

On a similar vein the pineapple that appears on the gates of manor houses along the east coast of America uttar, they are usually over doorways at the Christmas seasom in a floral or fruit display or wreath, as well. Reacently i learned, studying Chinese, that this is an old auspicious symbol used for welcome, my Chinese friend always buys one every two days for her restaurant's counter.

Very good wind and water (Feng Shui). Turns out that the old New England sea captains brought this custom back home and started the tradition in America. Then everyone immediately forgot why. On certain days as we have gone to eat at an Indian restaurant there are coconuts out side the doorway was not the presentation of a coconut with (2?) paise and a tilak part of the ceremony installing a new Sikh Guru? I read this in many stories but have not seen an explanation for same.

any thoughts would be appreciated. richardAllenwalla 21:04, 7 April 2008 (MDT)


Kindly see Jagriti Yatra at Kathua and comment how can i improve my photography.

--user:sarbjeet_1313me 09:03, 8 April 2008 (MDT)

ANOTHER VERSION with the word Sikhism

Have not linked or used but have downloaded -- Image:A-VERSION-WITH-SIKHISM.jpg

Kardi Kalah, a good concept! working well. richardAllenwalla 11:06, 8 April 2008 (MDT)

Very helpful

Sat Shri Akaal, Thanks.

The Shaheed tradition shows up many ways. I have worked on, mainly just organising, several stories where someone was upset with some Canadian PhD who they thought had completely mis interpreted the Sikhi slant on the subject.

Some of the recent stories, bring up a picture, in my mind of people - usually young folks, just sitting around waiting (no other purpose to their life), thinking not of Naam or Sat, but, just of a chance to kill as many enemies as possible and die in a glorius blaze of gunfire. Juxtaposed against the deaths of Guru Arjan and Tegh Bahadur and their purpose in self sacrifice (paropkar?)

In the news we see the cartoons Hamaas and the Iranians run on television with young children being taught to turn themselves into bombs by old men who do not! And in the tribal area Maddrassas where instant Mullahs do the same.

Tonight on the tv news, the first Congressional Medal of honor was given to a navy seal, the first in many years. (You probably know of the Seals - the Navy's version of the the Ancient Persian 'Immortals' and the 'Akaalis" of the Sikhs, with the same gung ho attitude which some writers have confused with suicidal as opposed to casting ones fate with God. The Seal had jumped on a grenade and saved a crowd of his fellow soldiers, there were many tears shed.

I recently saw the movie - Letters from Iwo jima (in Japanese island = Kanji = Bird Rock, in which one sees the war from the Japanese viewpoint. When all was lost - they simply bumped their grenades against their helmets, held them to their hearts and poof. End, of as they call it - the floating world. The Kanji=baby pulled from mother on stream of water.

Their treatment of those they captured was based on their personal belief that 'losers' should have just killed themselves as the Japanese were raised to do. There would be a much shorter list of Sikh VCc if Sikhs had adopted that practise.

If i continue as a pehlwan (can't conjugate (the word for wrestler-i think) i'll figure it out. Raab Rakah, richard --

will ponder over the pillar graphic. Searched hard for the term the Muslims used, as the 'Sun pillars'- stand ins for Iblis (refering to the hated obelisks of old egypt by the selafists) -- the mini ones at which every Haji must throw stones, seems a word a Christian writer/interpretor aimed at Islam to me. Like with -ism maybe its just me looking too hard.

Have forgotten a term

Hari ji, i have forgotten a page, rather its name, which refers to Hindu Myths in Sikhism. The article gave many examples.

This am i was reading the Article on Vaisakhi, found a few problems.

  • the city which bcame Anandpur, some say it was never called Anandpur until after Guru Tegh Bahadur's death. so i changed to Pandits walked to the Guru's Darbar.

But i had left a blank - meaning to look for the name the 9th Guru had used. tonight i saw the page was now linked in the front page article so i went back to correct the blank.

further reading i came on the sentence (i moved from one paragraph end to the next's beginning as they work together. the whole paragraph's inclusion at all is my reason for concern.

As the Dasvin Nanak was very specific re. his ever being referred to as a God or having had God like powers, i am bothered by this paragraph - from the story:

To this day there is a dispute about whether the Guru actually cut off the heads of the five or not. In my opinion, this is not important to gain an understanding of Vaisakhi. The important thing to remember is that the sangat thought or were "under the impression" that the Sikhs were being killed one by one. Trying to speculate about what actually happened in the tent is senseless and not relevant to the events that took place on Vaisakhi day 1699. The Sikhs who volunteered, mentally were ready to give their head. The exercise was to prove the devotion and dedication of his Sikhs. Those who were ready to give themselves up to their Guru were the bravest and most devoted. They were chosen to be part of the Khalsa Panth. Guru ji joined the Khalsa Panth after his devoted Sikhs, and they led the Khalsa alongside the Guru.

It seems logical that some (Sikhs?) have argued that their (Panj Pyares') hheads were really cut off which then infers that the Guru then restored their heads---to me this seems, that whatever the term/article i have forgotten, is being employed. i.e. the Shiva story of Ganapatti the restored head, i.e. having God like powers of creation--wondering as the sentence suggests who the Sikhs are that argue for this belief?

I think the arguments mention is not needed in the article and the paragraph needs rewriting??Allenwalla 00:16, 13 April 2008 (MDT)

Saajna Divas


waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh,

Khalsa de sajna devas de lakh lakh mubarkhan hoven aap ji ate aap ji de parivar nu.

--user:sarbjeet_1313me 20:31, 13 April 2008 (MDT)

Happy Day

Saajna Divas of Khalsa congratulations sorry i almost missed the day which is just getting here.

The panic, the terror and the bravery has never been present in the many, many stories i have read of that day. Your words bring that aspect home. Its like a play that has been told so much that that element is never spoken. Thanks

In looking it over, the day and the creation of the Khalsa it struck me that i had never noticed that the men were standing up, as had Guru Tegh Bahadur, to what they thought was certain death with the intended result (the Guru's) being that each Khalsa would now become a "Hind ki Chaddar" and by their 'uniform' put themselves in harm's way. Raab Rakah richard

RequEst Gallery PagE

Waheguru ji ka khalsa,waheguru ji ki ateh i have been contributing to sikhiwiki.Congratulations on the guru gobind singh's page under the sub-heading gallery the photos of 10th masters are increasingday by day & the no. has come to 17!Let's all contribute!PLz check it out

See you are busy

SSA, if you have a moment what is a Lakhi jungle?Allenwalla 12:05, 14 April 2008 (MDT)

Thanks only makes sense

SSA, Hari ji, really thick forest or as you say, one of a 100,000 trees was the only thing i could think of.

one other question which has puzzeled me, the story behind the drawing of you on your user page?

After several hot days we have expected visits by 'jack frost' tonite and tomorrow. everyone is worried over their tomato plants and my mother's row of beans, 2" high and not of so cold a nature.

Hard to believe that crops and harvest are already in in Punjab.

'jack frost' and Lakhi forest 2 birds of a feather. regards, hope to see photos of yesterday's celebration soon.

Found this amazing when i remember the net:

Lakhi Jungle is situated 15 km from Bathinda, on the way to Muktsar. A forest having old Gurudwara enjoyed the touches of Shri Guru Nanak Dev who recited one lakh holy Paths of Shri Japuji Sahib. Therefore it was called Lakhi Jungle. Ninth Sikh Guru, Guru Teg Bahadur, and Tenth Sikh Guru, Guru Gobind Singh also visited this place. wikipedia

SikhiWiki Marketing etc

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Google.JPG I searched.What I have observed it that the best content on the internet about SGGS is at SikhiWiki.You may check it!but where's sikhi wiki link?It should be at at the top or within first 3 positions.So,may contact SikhNet about it i.e. the marketing & search management of SikhiWiki ThnakYou --SunnyIndia 06:21, 15 April 2008 (MDT)


As you say, bhai sahib ji. Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 08:51, 16 April 2008 (MDT)


SSA Bhai Sahib ji,

It was just a lill mistake. I posted it at the wrong place. Sorry. Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 09:50, 16 April 2008 (MDT)

no prob

No problem, bhai sahib ji. Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 10:43, 16 April 2008 (MDT)

Sat Shri Akaal

Gurdwara Harian Vailan - i just put an article in very rough english, most of words are in punjabi if you can then please read the article and convert it in proper english. Baaki i will put some more info and prepare it for featured article. some more photographs from gurdwara have been uploaded. Soon going to click some more photographs from local gurdwaras, mohali as well as hoshiarpur.(Lucky 13:58, 17 April 2008 (MDT))

picture being used

Hari Ji, SSA, i am bothered by the photo now in use in the page on Hari Singh Nalwa, the dates an ages of the men don't work with the invention of photography--we seem to have taken a probably accurate picture with seemingly (controversial beads) and replaced it with a lie or falsehood?

i refer you to

please check if you haven't already seen same. posted by Richard ji

On the Photo

SSA, Hari ji, thanks for the suggestions, seems many people Rate Capitals with anyone they like so i spend a good bit of time doing U & lc duty (Upper and lower case- i.e. lead type, i used to use it every day, came lc-lower drawers/capitals UC - slanted verticle drawer on top).

As to the photo, i saw the lecture on Sikhnet Pramjit Singh i believe, looking at another site, given your response, i looked further -

this site had very good comments pro and con - one gentleman said he had seen the photo before it was cropped and distributed by Chan the historian, he said the photo was of Shere Ali Khan and his cohorts - identified as such, period. i looked up Bentink-no resemblence to either gentleman.

Then i looked up Ali Khan. I found a real photo ( as is the one in question) with the very same British officers. The one with a goatee and thinning, fluffed hair (high receding hair line left side part)is the same, undisputable, i believe. the other officer is the same also - same uniform, same exact (2) medals on chest in same place, with the same hat with same plumes - he is now seated to the right of Ali Khan who looks pretty much like the one people think is HS Nalwa. Ali has no Bullet cartridge holders, as in the other photo , and no 1860+ (not a flintlock) style pistol in this picture.

Both British officers seem the exact same age, both have the same haircut as in the other photo. All are identifiied and photo is dated (not 1908-before photography, but 1869 well after photography's invention. The photo is captioned Sher Ali Khan with Cd Charles Chamberlain and Sir Richard F.Pollock, 1869. ©The British Library [Photo 752/12 (2)] the site is-

image included. check for yourself. Image:Afgsherali2.jpg

Shere Ali Khan with lanbs? wool fur topi Afgani style

As they say its not nice to fool mother nature, i think whoever cropped the recognizable Sikhs from the photo was not doing a favor for Sikhi. Let me know if i am off here as currently i think someone was up to no good. regards, the truth (Sat), not my 'opinion' is what i am trying to get at here.Allenwalla

well the standing guys clothes but not age have changed.

If i am correct it is not a good thing to identify the General and Maharaja in a photo of Afganis.

Check the pic

Read the wordings: The great wordings snapped from Gurdwara Pudha Sahib, near zirakpur. today i went there and snaps these pictures. this pic is awesome.

For those sikhs who cut there hairs and other wrongs

Make this featured photograph, want to edit you can but display as it is this is my suggestion and distribute among other this is Laphar, Tamacha slap to mona sikhs....Patits(Lucky 12:51, 20 April 2008 (MDT))

Check the pic

Read the wordings: The great wordings snapped from Gurdwara Puddha Sahib, near zirakpur. today i went there and snaps these pictures. this pic is awesome.

For those sikhs who cut there hairs and other wrongs

Make this featured photograph, want to edit you can but display as it is this is my suggestion and distribute among other this is Laphar, Tamacha slap to mona sikhs....Patits(Lucky 12:51, 20 April 2008 (MDT))


Sat Sri Akal sir,

Your welcome sir and no probs, i'll keep guarding SikhiWiki against vandalisers. Btw, how do you like this article: (i formatted it a bit and it looks better now) : Handwrittens of Gurus period

Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 10:58, 23 April 2008 (MDT)

Great Idea sir. But i guess it will take much time.. But anyways, all good things take time... Any idea how we are going to do it? Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 12:39, 23 April 2008 (MDT)



Sorry sir.. I had probs with the Mahan Kosh article and got many redirects.. Sorry again... But i checked out the spelling and this (the new one) is the right one. I saw the mool mantar article an its greaT.. But the prob is that most of the letters of gurus are unreadable.. SO what solution have u found for that?

True... I'll look for it.. As soon as i find something i'll inform u.. Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 13:53, 23 April 2008 (MDT)


Thank you very very much for the award. Obviously i'll keep contributing to SikhiWiki as much as I can and will also focus much on my studies (nowadays i don't have much work for school..) Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 10:26, 25 April 2008 (MDT)

Thank you very veyr much sir. please have a look at the articles of the Category:Bhai

They are being neglercted since they were created last year. No links, no copy editing.. But don't worry. I'll correct all of them.... Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 15:39, 25 April 2008 (MDT)

Sat Shri Akaal

Sat Shri Akaal Sir, How are you? How is life going?
4 photos from my remembrances, i have uploaded, these gurdwaras i visited in around 2002 and was a nice experiance. Jae main sikhiwiki dae naal us time judeyaa hundaa, taan main uthey dee sarian pics khich leyaniuyaa see, chalo koi na life ch fir kadi takra hoya dasam patshah naal fir ohna deyaan yadan zaroor leyaoon.

Banaras(UP) jaan da plan baneyaa see, flop ho gaya(sad, bec of exams i will not able to book the tickets, it takes two days to book tickets with concession) uthey Guru Nanak, Guru Tegh bahadur tae Guru Gobind singh jee related 6 - 7 asthaan sAnn, main pehlan wee gaya hoya haan butr fotos nahin khichiyaan sann.

Well exams are nearby 5th May ton shuru hann, Tae syllabus wee bohot peya hai so main 14th ton pehlan shayad he net access kar pavan. Really very sorry. After exams i will come with more pics of various guru dhaams.

Tell me one thing my user id is hpt_lucky then after using tag (Lucky), why only word lucky picked by MW??. Enjoy life Sat Shri Akaal

(Lucky 01:21, 26 April 2008 (MDT))

    • A line i read days before: Sikhiwiki is run by 3HO and they only allow edits to be done by their people. ...........Is this true that no other people allowed to edit on sikhiwiki?? These lines i read on an orkut community. Amazing people. I am not from 3HO's and i even do not care what sikhiwiki is related too or not i just making it databank. Please give me the answer of above line i have to say something to that girl who said these wordings(Lucky)

The Guru Granth Sahib

Sardar ji, i was just looking over the page on the SGGS in the recent changes section and I inset the songs that the Guru sang to Mohan while sitting on his steps. i did this to make then look on the page as they did in the edit box, as they would in a book, ect. I came to the lines where some writer in seeking to justify Guru Gobind Singh having a good memory refers to the bards of old days and suddenly crosses half the world to mention Greek epic poems - the Illiad and the Oddesey- which when i saw it the first time, seemed someone was trying very hard not to mention any 'Hindu' epic poems, which i think the Gurus would have had a good knowledge of, anyway what was missing for me was the fact that the Banis are sung, with a rich history of musical accompanyment, as are the Suras of the Qur'an (of course with only the voice as music), the Gita (in Sanskrit), the Bible (in the original Latin, by Priests only - at one time) and the Torah (which has musical notations called cantils? which makes the Cantor's job so easy), this makes the learning and memorization very much easier and (not so hard to justify).

I assume, as i have seen your name on many articles on the various ragas of the SGGS, that you have some expertise on the subject that i do not. Could you please look over the sentence where i have tried to express that the SGGS being Chanted or sung as were the other great Books of other religions is one of the things that makes these Holy books so effective with their 'Sangats'.

Also on the picture some supose to be Maharaja Ranjit Singh, you told me that you wanted scientific proof, i wrote to you of some evidence (another picture) that points to the two English officers being alive and within 5 to ten years of the same age in another picture dated 1868 which would have made them babies or very young children (if they are less than sixty in the second picture--thay would not have been born in 1809) if the Maharaja was the pictured young man and the photo was taken in 1809 as some argue. Both men are identified, one wrote a book on his service in India, which should be available in London. As i have not heard from you since, i do not know if you saw the info. I notice a resemblence between Shere Ali Khan and the one listed as the Maharaja in the first picture and another on the net with his Sardars. Who the man listed as Banda Bahadur is i have no idea.

My wife, who was raised as a Catholic, misses the original Latin chants as were sung in the Churches during the masses of her childhood.

regards Richard - and thanks for the recognition of Sunnybondsinghjalwehra.

Thanks for the answer on Siri

SSA, Sardar ji, no sooner had i added siri as an acceptable spelling than i had navigated to another site where i was looking at Gurumustuk's wedding photos last nite with a big 'Siri' (first word) on the facade of the building behind him and his wife in one photo. thanks Regards richard In trying to remember the chain--i had looked at another copy of the old photo, where the right seated British officer's left arm was included--i was surprised to see the same 'black' armband/ tied piece of cloth in the Afgan photo (can't really tell the color). i looked back to the photo as it had appeared in the Panjabi paper -- saw a link to Gurumustuk, next thing i was looking at him as a child on the Parikarma at the Golden Temple as a very young child, that led to the wedding photos and the Siri. Funny how one thing leads to another on the net.

Dub kae mar jaan wali gall

Turban in Punjab School(till 10th class) not allowed

Avtar Singh makkar(SGPC president) Said : ""This is not france but punjab where we are committed to safegaurd sikhism""

Princi said : """"I too born sikh and out of 1 thousand students 75% are sikhs and 80 % staff is of the same religon. How can i challenge our own faith and the rule was made just for uniformity""".Princi also said: This is not a big matter but media will make it Huge.

Punjab ch eh gall sunani ai rahee hai. (Lucky 23:51, 29 April 2008 (MDT))

Misconception About Sikhiwiki

Sir ji ,

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

In India the most browsed website in school,colleges,cafes ,company offices etc etc is Orkut,not only the youngsters but the middle age are also addict of it.Even some multinational companies have banned Orkut in their offices. I and user:hpt_lucky are trying hard 4 the publicity of sikhiwiki on orkut.

I would like to inform u two important things

1. Just like sikhiwiki user:hpt_lucky is also doing a gud sewa on Orkut .

In foroms whenever someone asks a question he instantly give link of the concerned article on sikhiwiki.

I have seen many of his posts he surely needs a appreciation 4 it.

2. Their is some misconception on orkut about sikhiwiki that it is a 3H based websites and others are not allowed to edit.

I m quoting some posts below

A. ……………………………………………………………Because when I quoted some reference from your website. I was told by another member, that it is 3HO site and so not authentic. I don't know what 3HO is and what its values systems are. That is precisely the reason why I said, let us know your sanstha, so that we know each other better and not hurt some body's feelings inadvertently

B. TO Sarabjeet,

Take it cool. If you don't work for any one . Just Chill. But don't shout at me. I am not used to that! If you are working hard to promote Sikhism, good for you!

I just quoted your Sikhwiki and people said it is 3HO. What ever the hell it means!

Please sort your hassles with them first.

C. BY Singhni:

Veerji, I have met people whose articles were removed and users banned by IP address from that site.

I will try to get you more info

D. By Singhni:

Example: SikhiWiki article on Ragmala.

They say: A few Sikh scholars differ in their opinion about the inclusion of Raagmala in the Granth. The traditional position among most Sikhs and the official position of most Sikh Gurdwara management committees worldwide and the SGPC in Punjab is that Ragamala is a part of the Guru Granth Sahib and it must be included in all printed copies of this sacred scripture. That is the stand that is taken here as well. Please do not add any disputed points here - Use the Discussion Page to voice your views if they differ from the above.

In other words, If you don't agree with Ragmala (and Akal Takht has left that up to us to decide), You cannot write about it on Sikhiwiki article. Even if you have evidence and sources.

Why does Sikhiwiki take a stance that is against Akal Takht?

This isn't a 3HO related issue, it's just an example of how they are "moderating" articles to their own personal viewpoints.

After user:hpt_lucky and their was one more person defended sikhiwiki,i dont know who is he,but i doubt he is blocked user:hahaha

here is his post

Sikhiwiki A 3HO: Totally wrong statement, @Singhni also said the same.

Sikhiwiki is non profit, made by, but the data not supplied by sikhnet. Anti 3HO material will not be neglected this is my gurantey

Administrator from Sikhiwiki: All the active users on SikhiWiki are not part of 3HO and we have been editing and adding to SikhiWiki for a long time and in my case for many years. The statement is a lie! So please stop these rumours and tell everyone that this is an independent site which is here to spread the true message of the Gurus. We accepts and we will help all other Sikhi sites and organisations so that the name of Sikhi can be spread far and wide.

Myself user:Hahaha, hpt_lucky, thegreateditor, Paapi, Sarabjeet, Allenwala, Sunnyjhalewra these three i think have joined this community are one of main contributers. They all are doing nishkaam sewa not getting anything. I did many edits on sikhwiki.

To Beant:

Saabat surat is concept of god do not neglect it. Ik gall dassan main Chicken khanda haan but jadd mainu koi kehnda hai oyae toon sikh hain firr main tere waang fundae rakhda haan kee karan munh da pleasure hai chutayae nahin chutdaa same tera haal hai.

Rest everything is alright.

Guru Rakha

--user:sarbjeet_1313me 11:35, 30 April 2008 (MDT)


SSA everybody. all sysops and contributors.

I have a big request. Sorry for the language, but that google translator thingie just SUCCCKKKS... I mean like i can speak dutch at a native level.. ANd when i translated it with google half of the page was full of grammatical mistakes et al... If it sucks in dutch and french so i can already imagine that the translations also suck in chinese, arabic etc

So can't we setup something like wikipedia. (in punjabi)

something in that direction

this is just proposed

And if you do it (WHAT I REALLY WANT!)

I promise i'll atleast translate 1000 pages of to nl.sikhiwiki! And + great quality

And this is a big challenge...

I hope Hari Singh ji, you don't dissaprove of it..

Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 16:16, 30 April 2008 (MDT)

Discuss at SikhiWiki: User Message 3 discussion page

So sir ji.. I think you have already seen the request.. What do u think of it???? .... Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 02:41, 1 May 2008 (MDT)

SSA ji,

Sir ji, you are absolutely right! But if i make a page in dutch.. Do i have to send it to u or how do i put it on the site??

The only persons doing this already are the team workers...

So maybe with their permission we can already copy and paste a good 20-30 articles (of good quality) Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 15:58, 1 May 2008 (MDT)



Sorry sir.. I had probs with the Mahan Kosh article and got many redirects.. Sorry again... But i checked out the spelling and this (the new one) is the right one. I saw the mool mantar article an its greaT.. But the prob is that most of the letters of gurus are unreadable.. SO what solution have u found for that?

True... I'll look for it.. As soon as i find something i'll inform u.. Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 13:53, 23 April 2008 (MDT)

ssa ji

i know nobody on the site.. anyways agree about not copying from other sites.. what about my dutch baba moti ram mehra article?? i will put more into it soon.. and i hope u can get a proper setup like wikipedia... e.g. ur reading Guru Nanak's article and in the left corner there is written:

Dutch French ETC

when u click on dutch the dutch version appears et al

Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 17:19, 1 May 2008 (MDT)

Talk:Guru Gobind Singh marg

Saat Siri Akaal ji, Please Sir ji, if you have any time see my questions on Talk:Guru Gobind Singh margAllenwalla 19:37, 1 May 2008 (MDT)also leaving message elsewhere

Respected sir,

ਵਹਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਹਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ,,,,,,,ਜੀ

Thanks 4 the instant reply,now i m removing my post which i think now is useless.

Anyway feeling sorry 4 the unnecessary doubts.

Guru Fateh.

--user:sarbjeet_1313me 23:14, 2 May 2008 (MDT)


Hello sir,

I am quite busy with exams... So i wont be able to come on sikhiwiki that frequently anymore for some 5 weeks (then 2 weeks exams)... And i saw this comment which went unnoticed by me:

Category:Bhai I did not realise that we had so many articles on Bhai's. I think we need to try and organise these better. Perhaps the important ones need to be linked to the Gurus of the time? Hey, its nice to know that history has recorded their contribution to Sikhi! Regards, Hari Singh 17:48, 25 April 2008 (MDT)

Yes sir.. I have corrected and made a better layout for many.. ANd soon enough when i'm ready with those 2-3 dutch articles i'll put my full atention to CATEGORY:BHAI ..... This will be probarly after seven weeks and if not then it will be in weekends of these seven weeks and aafter...

Anyways.. How do u think of seting up that dutch sikhiwiki.. Because like this its no style.. You know... We should be like wikipedia.. If in english everything is in english and if in other languages than whole of wiki is in that language...

So how difficult/easy is setting up things like: etc

Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 11:02, 5 May 2008 (MDT)

Thx sir,

I will top for sure, with gurujis kirpa offcourse

Sad to hear about the interlangual sikhiwiki

here is something that may help you:

We use Intlwiki-L to coordinate Wikipedia across different languages. Please take a look at the Wikipedia Embassy and join if you're interested in the coordination project.

The Wikipedia community is committed to including any and all languages for which there are Wikipedians willing to do the work. We are aware that many of the world's 6,500 languages are not well-represented on computers or the web, and we are committed to working with language speakers and computing organizations to support as many languages as possible.

Each language Wikipedia currently has a separate set of user accounts. Links between articles in different languages are called interlanguage links.

The URL of the wikipedia for a given language is, where xx is the 2-letter language code as per ISO 639. For languages without an ISO 639 2-letter language code, the 3-letter language code is used, or if that also does not exist, a custom 3-letter language code is made. (On the mailing list and in discussion, people often write xx: to mean the xx-language wikipedia, as in I'm a regular on fr:.)

regards, Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 13:24, 5 May 2008 (MDT)

my thought too -- not one word,

All i could figure is the info on vars, rags, and instruments he thought music was a similar topic/or is just posting the info everywhere. richard


SSA, on a humorus note,woke early at 4:00 after going to sleep late after leaving hospital where my wife has now spent the night after having a scare (stress test this morning for heart) and saw the article which i speed read, seeing no word on Sikhs, i sent a note as between reading the article and being about to respond, i noticed you had already done so, so i wrote a note to you. Before leaving for the hospital this morning i just checked to see if you had responded as you have missed, ignored (i know not) several questions i had asked lately. looking i see you have written Sunny ji on the matter.

Thanks for the response on the article (surprise visits to Langars) which had several rarely used names of Guru Gobind Singh. made me wonder if there were many more like the 99 names of Allah or the 1000 names of Vishnu.

Just wanted to share with you on the word Antarjami which looking with my american mind i did not recognize. As you said one who knows everything. This morning i read the note again seeing the word once more, this time, (as you know i plan to write a book on India and Asia's contribution to English in both language and religion and i think that what Sikhs consider to be their homelands is pretty much, from my research 'ground zero'.)

So looking at Antar with my broader knowledge, i see antar as outside/exterior (everything out there)

and (i laughed when i finally 'got it'-- jami from to know jana (women who are usually far more knowing than men - janana) is the same as when in my college days when trying to learn everthing i should have been studying for months we would (several students) stay up all nite for a jam session. Musicians do the same (the Beatles and Ravi Shankar (who probably blew a conch sometime) learning and riffing off each other (taablaa riffs come to mind also). One could say that jam means to 'stuff in' but nice that Waheguru allows for the double understanding. Hope my verbosity has not been a burden (a Persian word originally, which Guru Gobind Singh ji uses in the Zafarnama/ Burdan- to pick up or take in hand.)

As a sysop, i am sure you know well the meaning of what must at times be a burden, but then your never flagging dedication to the Guru and your Kardikala which always usually shows in your every comunication dispatches that thought, if you ever have it. Regards richard

Manpreet Singh

Sir ji,

ਵਹਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਹਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ,,,,,,,ਜੀ

kindly see Manpreet Singh article,i think suitable as featured article.


--user:sarbjeet_1313me 07:21, 8 May 2008 (MDT)

Thanks for the letter some thoughts on Sikhi, a lesson of love

Please see discussion - article. Off to a good start. richard

Sat Shri Akaal

How are you n family?
Howz life going
Exams are going on and will end on 17th, Here i visited one more sikh shrine and i think after exam i will try to make the tour to harimandir sahib again and will click and collect the info of all nearby gurdwaras if possible banaras tour is about to cancel so no chances, jiven rabb de marzee.
What is this new article Goeroe Nanak Dev?? Are you going to change the language of sikhiwiki? Mainu vee agya do that i can put articles in other language too(Punjabi or Urdu). I think we should not change the orignal language of sikhiwiki. if you want to do that then i do not have any problem.
Chalo Changa, Rabb Rakha, Sat Shri Akaal.(Lucky 12:58, 10 May 2008 (MDT))

SSA Khalsa ji

Khalsa ji SAT SHIRI AKAL. Thank's for your massage. Sukhdev Singh


Sir ji,


Mr Richard is doing a great work,he has detectected some ugly thing in the Jagriti Yatra Rath and brought in the notice of me . In India aare sleeping and nobody detected it.

I forwarded his query in a public forum with positive results.We should thank Mr Richard for that.

Mr Richard’s remarks: I was once a museum exhibits designer, much attention was paid to little details so that 'noise'-things that might distract from what was on display, would not get in the way.

The weapons and documents on display in the special caravan besides being very dear to the many viewers hearts, obvious in the viewers faces, would, if they were to ever go on sale, probably fetch a great deal of money/ i.e., they are probably worth a fortune.

What was incongruous to me was the haphazard labeling with scotch tape not even trimmed neatly with pieces just slapped on of different lengths. The tape was also glossy vs. matte. Seemed as if someone was in a hurry and just got it done. Is not double stick tape available there?

Answers to me on a public forum

1.Inder: .Yep Sir got it now...

And I am sorry to say but that yankee is right... this looks like done by someone jeede doven hath kuti wali machine vich aa gaye hon

- Yes sir, Your American friend is 100% right.

.Somebody should have done that task carefully. Simple jee gal see labels nu laminate kar ke pins la dinde je double site tape nahin mil rehi see..

2.Beant :This is the offcial weblink and contact link for such feedback of the oraganisers.

   One can inform them to improve the signages!

3.Inder:.Main kita hune Phone.. Than Singh nu..kehnde hune taan ghare chale gaye ne savere aan ge 9:30 Vaje.. Pher doabara karoonga savere.. Kee pata change kar hee den Ya man he left at 5:00.. kal savere karda haan tang.. kehna haan ke USA ton call kar reha haan Bangalore de local number naal.. Aaj kal apne Bande NRI's dee badi sunde ne kee pata meri koi sun hee lave...

4.Beant: Helpdesk :

Email : [email protected] Contact Person : Than Singh Phone No : 02462-244166, 234813, 243559

5.Sarbjeet: The real problem is to remove the chapiean from Jagriti Yatra Rath

6.Inder We will wait for Than Singh to come to office tommorow. And persuade him to talk to people at Suratgarh with the Yatra to do some thing.

7.Beant:Why damn tape. They should have had proper placards. Which one could read from far! In different languages. And with all the technical details as well. And History

8.Inder Yaar yatra naal permanent bande taan chal hee rehe hone. taan Hazoor saheb ton loki ona de contact vich vee hone taan ona nu keh ke change karva sakde ne..Kinna vadda kam hai.. ..

Je eh loki sirf ena chits nu hee sahi tarah la den oh vee vaddi gal hai.. leave alobe fully descriptive playcards

Main kita see hune phone than singh nu taan ona ne kise da number dita jede yatra naal chal rehe ne Sardar Surat Singh ji Bal 9860011692. Ena ne hun keha ta hai change karva dene haan. Dekho hun kee hunda hai..

Mere khayal naal je do tin phone hor jaan taan ho jana hai kam.. Karo phone pher sare Bal ji nu .. 9860011692

--user:sarbjeet_1313me 11:02, 14 May 2008 (MDT)

No problemo

SSA Hari ji, I thought you did a good job adding stuff i know little about. I had just noticed the hanging question sans answer and attempted to give an example i thought had probably happened many times. While anyone unlucky to have such an injury would have personal issues to deal with 'a plenty' i can't imagine any religion expelling anyone for such a thing.

The Vietnamese are the only ones who are almost 'phobic' about body parts, at least in the past, saving (for a whole lifetime) any lost but recoverable body part even those removed in necessary surgeries to be included with them as they exit the world. I will need to look further into this but i suspose it is a requirement to leave with all one came with. That was one of the reasons the French colonization - gillotine as punishment and the Japanese beheadings brought such terror to the Vietnamese.

The Jews have squads of special recovery people after terrorist bombings who search everywhere at great lengths to recover every bit of a person for their immediate burial that day usually. I can only imagine this is important in the Jewish religion as well to exit with all God provided at birth.

As i mentioned Sikhs probably if caught by a Muslim mob during the partition were not asked to raise their garment or take down thir pants as their Kakkas made their identity pretty obvious. I would imagine that Sikhs would take a dim view of another Sikh who had dressed (as did the Mullah at the Red Mosque in Paak recently) who had gone Burka posh in an attempt to escape arrest. Then i could be wrong for no sooner had i had the thought than Guru Gobind Singh ji (the Pir of Ucch), his Sikhs who carried him, also in disguise, and Bhaghat Singh (the Kesh Katanah sans Beard and turban) came to mind.

Each were/are/will always be greatly admired for living another day to carry on their fight. Good thing that even though each was, according to stories, checked out or held in suspicion at least momentarily, that both the Muslims and the British in each case did not think to do the test of the later Religious mobs during the Partition.Allenwalla 00:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

your user talk seems to have gone invisible

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Patka and Angad Singh-Atlanta

SSA, Hari ji, funny thing, that given my reading yesterday about the Sikh teenager in an American or Euro Gym fitting in and worrying about differences, that today i chanced to see a 'perfect picture' of Sikhs fitting in. I had just read the story about a Sikh stopped for 'a so called California rolling stop', when i looked at the next story to catch my eye. I had seen the Sikh teenager in patka a couple of times and not bothered to click. Maybe it was the word light or Atlanta more likely that caused me to bite and click on the story. Now i read that he can't make the film festival and is looking for a Sikh teen to take his place, too bad as Sarbjeet has just posted an article lamenting the lack of Sikhs making films.

unfortunately the link now no longer goes to the article on his film

What a beautiful picture of harmony and happy faces -- too bad the photo is cropped so tightly that many people will not see the full picture… // Allenwalla 18:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

On the 'rolling stop' and why it is called a California stop. In San Francisco, where I met my wife, the hills are so steep that as you stop at a sign, especially with a straight shift, you keep rolling less you start to roll backwards down hill. Most places the words stop and rolling don't go together. In SFC the cops cut you some slack. Anywhere else, even there, the rolling stop excuse is just a lie we tell ourselves.

And as you see one Sikh with his classmates i read of another having his patka set on fire in NJ

FA status for Sarbloh Granth

I request the article Sarbloh Granth to be made a featured article.. i spent some time on it, but by wahegurus grace, now its a nice article and layout etc is very good if not excellent). Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 20:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

5 more gurdwara

i visted 5 more gurdwara you will not find info of them on net.

well in eve i will update with photos. Do one thing i will not writethe history on sikhiwiki i just update the pictures and history pictures too this is your work to write the history. You know my conversion of punjabi to english. So its your work to convert or give this work to Sunny, Sarab Veerjee or Mr. Richard jee. Know i am going to upload the images.

Exam over 2 Paper wadiya nahin gayae but now result will tell what will happen know i am back.

Due to some reason harimandir saib wal jaa nahin hoya. Hun jaldi ch haan main ok bye(Lucky 08:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC))

4000 Articles

Guru Fateh ji,

Congratulations on crossing 4000 Articles sir ji.


Lao jee

Kal ban gaya harimandir sahib jaan da plan. Kal shayad baba bakala tae tarntaran sahib vee jaa kae avangae tae bulk ch tasveran kal kathiya hojangiya.

Amritsar Kaulsar dee pics main already submit kara chukeyaa bakiyaan sars dee labhangaa jae kal time lagga.(Lucky 17:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC))

Ok i will try

Sir jee main sarovars dee photo leyaan de pooree try karoon, actually family naal hai khaas kar father saab ohnaa nae cheti bhajarh pauni hai but i will try my best. actually tarn taran saab vee jana hai. Baaki depend hai saadi speed tae kini der kithey aithdey haan. Jae lagae time main aap he jaa yaavangaa. Baaki rabb marjee nahin taan uthon koi book lai kae us chon tasveeran khich kae bhej devanga samet history jae plan na baneyaa, Bibek sar tae Ram sar thorha door pai janda, Kaulsar de photo already main laga bheji hai. baaki ina vee dopor nahin but i will try. baba Bakal vekhan daa main ichukk haan. Aap jee de camera dee kaafi madad milugee. thanks for that precious gift for sikhi sewa(Lucky 18:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC))


I will try to upload more pics of Sarbloh Granth. But it is very difficult since not many pics where made of it. Another 2 articles, which both are of Sikh Martyrs should also be made FA. I spent whole day of today converting those two from a piece of uncategorized garbage to a nice article, which is categorised under different chapted with some pics.

These articles are:

Regards, Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 20:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


Ramsar, Bibeksar tae Santokh sar jaa nahin hoya. saanu 4 taan harimandir sahib ch he wajj gaye see. Rush bohot jeyaada see summer vacations karkey, tourist and families ayian hoyian sann.

Kuj additional images khich kae leyaya haan harimandir sahib dee.

Gurdwara Baba Bakala geyaa see us asthaan dae 4 historical sthaan de photos khich kae leyaya haan and many more thank to your camera. I will update them soon.(Lucky 18:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC))

page Why I wear a Turban

Hari ji, i have made some changes and comments on the article's discussiom page. Please review/revert if needed. richardAllenwalla 03:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that Guru Gobind Rai said, "Bhai Jivan ji, I will create the Khalsa, who will stand out in the crowd and who will never flinch from performing their duties whatever the odds."

If Bhai Jivan was called Singh, as the page had suggested, some 25 years before the addition of the name to a Sikh Amritdhari - he would be , perhaps the first to have the name. Because of his stealing thr Guru's head from under the Mughals' noses? But i have never seen this mentioned. Did the nine year old Guru really say Khalsa 25 years before he told his Sikhs of the Khalsa? Please let me know as i am uninformed or ignorant of this. And I think such would make a good page. Maybe it is one i haven't seen? Regards richard

Sir jee

  • Eh pehli gall mere page naal cherh khani hoyi pay hai sara user page center ch allign ho gaya.
  • Gurdwara Baba Bakala dee hor information photos raahin add kar diti jawey tae is no feature article da sanmaan baksheyaa javey.
  • Jehret gurdware da safar ho nahin paya rabb mehar karey in future hovegaa.
  • Baaki local gurdwaras dee info taan tuhanu time by time mildi rahegee.
  • Mohali dae aaley dwaley dae pinds which bathere itehaasik gurdware hann, jae time lagga i will submit.(Lucky 07:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC))

Confusing article

Sat Shri Akal, Hari ji, RE. the Hajj,

No author cited

no references


a page just added a month ago is full of inaccuracy, and much trash, i cannot figure out if it is Christian propaganda or what. For one thing the page says that the Hajj is for boys not girls, yet women attend. i don't know why this article is here, may i suggest its removal. richard

Sorry to hear of your father's ill health

Hari ji, i hope he will have a quick recovery and start feeling better. Here many older folks mostly women, whose husbands die earlier in their 70s of heart attacks, fall - break a hip and get sent of to a 'nursing' home which their children seldom visit. So they usually go down hill pretty quickly. Good that you have managed your life so that you can be with him in familiar surroundings. I don't know if your father is computer literate, my mother has no interest, but possibly having a broadband connection in his house will be a good thing.

Never thought about the optical character recognition problem, have read of some stories being written in the days before there were monitors and then there is always the problem of Indian language structural differences where the order is similar to latin. And the wild spelling which results from both the level of an individuals experience with english and the old Indian tradition of spelling the same word many different ways. Seems India never had enough unity to allow a grammar/spelling dictator like France's Malherbe.

And thankfully the speakers of Punjabi/readers of Gurmukhi have never actually suffered the fate the Albagensians (speakers of the langues d'oc) suffered at the hands of their neighbors (speakers of the langues de oil), even though many express the thought that they might, even today! May the past excesses of the Mughals and the Pahari Raja's even '84 and since be just that -- the past!

Hopefully the extremists of any religion will never have their way. richard

Also i had read a story in Bhai Jivan Singh, who i know little about. The page had a poignant story about his inter acting with a 'mona' Sikh in a non negative way or brotherly way i asked Sarbjeet to add it to the list of possible main page articles, it could use a photo or two and the subheads need to be similar as some are all caps. Sarbjeet may be too busy to get to that so if you could spare a moment and see if the story is newsworthy or main page worthy. thanks r

Sir ji got to know from Mr. Richard about respected uncle's ill health. Now please keep us informed about his recovery.


Thanx and Satsriakal


Thanks for the Welcome!

Hello Mr Singh, thank you for your welcome! I came up with this username ten-twelve years ago as a child when I first began to use the internet. I have stuck with it since then for the sake of continuity. It is indeed unique - seldom have I run into the problem of it already being taken!

I look forward to being a contributor to this website. I have always had an interest in both Sikhism and the Sikhs. I'd love to help the panth in any way possible. Ihaveacomputer 11:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

What happens

Sat Shri Akaal Sirr jee, Kithey rehndae ho?? Ajj Kal sikhiwiki tae darshan he nahin dittae tusan. Main page wich wee koi changes nahin nadar aa rahey. Eh Ek Page main Banaun Lageyaan haan [[[Did You Know|Sikhism Facts]] es ch main facts paa deyaa karoon mere kol likhit bohot paye hann.
Hunn India kadd aa rahey??(Lucky 22:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC))

    • Oho sorry, challo koi na, rabb mehar karey, tuse dhayaan rakhna ohna da naley apna vee. Rabb karey oh cheti daroosat hon and guru will cure them cheti ton cheti as you know Bin gur rog na tuti.

Sarbat da bhala. Take care Sat Shri Akaal (Lucky 10:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC))

    • Paa jee ikk garhbarh ho gaye hai eh photo jehri frontpage tae laayi hai janta bharakh jaoo. Ho sakey sheti ton sheti delete mareeyo.(Lucky 21:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC))


SSA and a big Jambo, thanks for the picture change and going to the trouble. i thought it could easily be taken as a slam on western women and Christianity which has used wine as part of its sacrements for ages.

How is your father doing? I had terrible trouble with high blood pressure for over a year 200+ over 120+, when they finally agreed to my not taking blood pressure medicine my blood pressure became normal a med called Lyrica also seemed to be part of the problem. So going off the meds caused funny strange symptoms for a while--I hope your father is still improving.

Saw a program on tv last nite, [1] called 30 days. in this part of the series a person who is a Christian agreed to stay and live as a Muslim doing Muslim things--Majid and all for 30 days and growing a beard they left out the little body alteration that all Jews and Muslims have done without their consent as a baby.

As it was Sikhs or Sardarjis who were killed or assaulted by the nuts who thought they were Muslims, I thought it would be more appropriate for a program on living w/ a Sikh family for thirty days to be filmed. It would be an excellent way for Americans to find out about Sikhi. The guy objected to praying and stood as the namaz was done as he did not believe in the Rasul being a Prophet. I don't think the Bani would be a problem for music and singing have always been part of Christianity. Maybe someone at Sikhnet could approach Mr. Spurlock and find a family to do this. I can think of one Sikh here in Atlanta (Navneet) even the 13 year old who did the film One Light would be excellent for the Sikh family, but that would have to be their decision and the family situation would have to work. Just putting an idea out there.

Rab Rakha, richard


ssa sir ji,

thx for the compliment...

btw, i am not yet ready.....

did yound found any more details for the other language sikhiwiki?

Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 14:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Sukhvir Singh

Thanks for the story link. Truely a remarkable Gursikh who lives up to his name. Thanks richard

more languages

wow cool to know sir... and i have further sub-categorized the BHAI category... since bhai can be reffered to as to every sikh... so thats no category.. i further divided it into category like devotee of guru nanak, guru angad etc...

and gurdwaras in pakistan also.. allmost all of them are categorized district wise...

Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 13:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Bhai Jivan Singh painting

SSA, Hari ji, i have restored the painting to something closer to what it was originally. The color was there i just lightened a bit. If it needs to be dark and gloomy please revert. thanks richard

Sher Shikar

SSA, Sardar ji, as you know sher is translated as Lion and by some as tiger. Sher Singh must have been a strange name. I never hear Tiger of the Punjab for M.R.S. or for Babar or even Sher Ali Khan. so to match the illustration and the several mentions in the story of Lion i changed the Sher Shikar to Gurdwara of the Lion. Also since someone gave me the translation for the quote said as the lion attacked, someone has changed it to make no sense. i.e. attack me first so that no desire to attack guru ji is left. Attack me first, would imply he was attempting to stop an attack on Jahangir--which is the intent of the whole story. why would anyone say attack me so that no desire to attack me is left when the lion had been on his way to attack the other person? This looks like some one just wanting every word to refer to the Guru (which defeats his being the hero here for saving the very man who had been responsible for his father's death) changed this. He could have just let the lion eat the emperor had he been thinking of saving himself or getting revenge. please check changes.

Regards richard/

also, do you know of any reason for Baba Atal making 4 rounds on the walkway before sitting to leave his life. As 4 and not 5, 6, 3 or any other no. is mentioned i thought there might be a reason for specifically 4 as recorded in the page on his tower. in the page that Harpreet ji added today on the dyer who blued the dress of G. Gobind Singh. He stood with 'folded hands'--this somehow indicated to the Guru that he wanted a boon. I have never heard of 'folded hands' meaning something. Cupped his hands, did an angeli ect. are things i know of-- this was new, is it anything you know of or of any of you reading this? please let me know if so. on my talk page.

ixnay athey

Sorry i see the Gurdwara has listened to the story version where the beast was a tiger changed both back. richard

Sat Siri Akal

Sardarji thanks for the info. The marriage to Kal makes sense of the use of four and reinforces my suspicion. As to the folded hands , Harpreet after i had asked a second time and managed to get my question across sent me a link to a video by Gurmustuk. In the video they use the phrase -folded hands for the 'praying hands' position which i know as an angeli, and old Hindu mudra--it was in a story and the words just didn't make sense to me as i had never heard them used before. Just about every religion save Islam uses the hand together position to pray, do ardas, ect. I can fold my legs and i can get my fist close to my deltoid, but i cannot fold my hand. There take on the secret behind the hand position is interesting and as they say has a 'scientific' logic that Yogi Bajan related. When one understands the position as it would have been done in Guru Nanak's time one see the original reason.

The older traditional way of doing the position is all but forgotten now. As we simplify language and every thing else the fine points often get loss. It is similar to what often happens in the ruku and sujud part of the Muslim Namaaz or Salah where palms, knees, toes, forehead and nose must be the only body parts touching the ground. As the Rasul said, "The worst thief is he who steals from his prayer." Asked by the sabaha, "O Messenger of Allah, how does a thief steal from his prayer?"

He answered, "He does not perfect its ruku and sujud", i.e. he does his prayer so fast and carelessly that the 'fana' is not done in true form, like the pecking of a crow.

You can tell for instance that Ayman Al-Zawahiri does his Salah in 'good' form because of the prominant 'prayer bump' on his forehead (some believe that the forehead should make an audible sound as in the old Chinese Kowtow (which meant to "knock with reverence"--if the Emperor did not hear the sound, heads were often removed).

Others in Islam might say that the bump and the sound during prayers is an example of ego (wanting others to know just how Holy you are) and not fully submitting to Allah as his slave --Abd.

Jesus made a point of saying on prayers- that your right hand should not know what your left hand is doing. Muslims of course are not susposed to be looking around at how their brothers are dressed during their prayers, but some of the rich of every religion often have a way of letting everyone know just how reverant they are by giving money, building houses of worship and getting plaques, bricks with names ect. In some churches families even buy pews, ect. The Chinese & Japanese Budhist monks perfected the money raising drive by selling notes that eventually evolved into the 'Hell Money" that you see used at their funeral services.

I am guessing that the words Matha tek refers to the bow to the SGGS on entering a Gurdwara?

Thanks for helping with my understanding and please excuse my rambling...sort of like a prayer bump i suspose.

Rab Rakha, richard ®

Punjabi Font

I have ststed the page Living as a householder but i not able to write in punjabi though i have gurmukhi fonts installed in my pc instead it is coming coming in something - romanized format.Plz help.

SSA, way late

Just saw you on and saying hello and good night,richard


Hello Sir How are you after long gap i came to sikhiwiki. I have uploaded an image which is written in paonta sahib due to bad quality i just done some changes if you want todo any changes its your wish. I want it to be featured photograph. Thanks (paapi 19:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC))

A request by Ramanjot Singh, A Sikh guy whose quote written at paonta sahib. The Great One (paapi 19:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC))

ki tusi meri madad karoge?

SSA, ki tusi meri madad karoge?

Bhai Hazara Singh is listed in the page Saka Tarn Taran as being one of the first 2 Sikhs to be martyred in the Gurdwara reform movement. On this page he is listed as bing killed at Saka Nanaka. By some odd coincident could both, highly possible with everone being named Singh, be named the same or is only one story correct. the new page of tonite also lists him as being at Tarn Taran.

If you can help please correct. thank you richard -- God is taking care of my concerns / Tuhade pitarji daa kee hal hai? kind regards excuse my panjabi--trying. please correct any attempt at spelling grammar, etc., as i can improve with corrections.Allenwalla 16:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Offensive page

Sat Shri Akaal, Hari ji, a file i am requesting removal of. thanks, just came across tonite. THe Nehru Family - Fact file I expect smut like this to be in the smut newspapers. the fact that it is here representing Shikhi is upsetting. Not even one word has to do with Sikhi. we can do better. what do we want this site remembered for. please remove this article. Allenwalla 01:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Applaud your letter, is this a sample for others to use or modify or send

SSA, please add addresses of apporpriate recipients if this is intended as more than just a statement.

The last quote by one Anup Singh leaves me questioning is this your letter or one by Anup Singh?

in the following paragraph:

The Sikhs and the Brits have a long history together and since about 1849 their history is joined as part of the British Raj. During the first and second World Wars, many hundreds of thousands of Sikhs voluntarily and willingly fought with the Allies against the Nazis and the Japanese - enemies of the west. Sadly many thousands of these brave Sikh soldiers died on European and allied territorial soil with their allied partners.

The above wording--fought with the Allies against the Nazis and the Japanese - enemies of the west.

This makes it sound like the Sikhs who fought and died in Europe, Africa and Burma were only doing this as mercenaries, soldiers getting a check, i.e. this was not their fight -- it was the west's. It implies that the Nazis and Japanese were not their enemies as well. I know this is probably not the intention of the letter and is only a problem of wording.

I would like to think that the brave Sikhs who died on those battlefields died fighting their enemies as well, while living up to their creed as Sant-Soldiers of the Guru.

Their enemies who cared little for the religious beliefs of anyone. The Japanese proved that in their acts in the Andamin Islands.

may i suggest some words to the effect--their common enemies of freedom and choice of ones religion. (things like the 5 K's) Allenwalla 16:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)you can say it better than me i am sure!


Will look forward to the other info--adresses ect.richard

Victoria Cross

Sar Shri Akal, Hari Singh ji, the below is from an Indian web site:

Only two Indian officers have won the VC, and that too, during World War -- II. Second Lieutenant PS Bhagat (later Lieutenant General), a Sapper officer won the award at Abyssinia in March 1941 and Lt Karamjeet Singh Judge, of 4/15 Punjab Regiment earned it posthumously while fighting against the Japenese in Burma in March 1945.

the page on lance Naik Karham Singh says that he is the only Indian to win the V.C and the P.V.C. but he is not listed as having won the V.C. in the pages (his spelled Karam Singh sans the h) or the page on Indian winners of the V.C. on wikipedia. Also an Indian site above does not include any mention of him.

I do not find any record of this do you have better books? Can you help?

regards richard

You have apparently misunderstood me

My friend, I thought the page i cited was probably incorrect, but i could find no record of The V.C. for Karam or Karham Singh, i could easily add the V.C. to both wikipedia pages, but as i can find no reference other than the sikhiwiki page, i would not be correct in adding same -- was merely asking if you had a better ref. will look at the links you cite. thanks for going to the trouble to respond. Allenwalla 18:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)