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My side, no my side
Bhai Sahib ji, After reading the history of the talk pages and the artical itself, I (a fairly neutral observer) would be inclined to revert the page to the edit by - Revision as of 04:52, 9 June 2010 (edit) Dilpreet Singh (Talk | contribs).
Then I suggest locking the page and putting a note at the top or bottom, like the one on castes, ect. (the blue boxes) that states there is a great deal of controvercy, ect. please at your positive and negative comments and links in the appropriate section on the talk pages.
Then put a section on the talk page for people to spew their personal hatred or post their civil comments both pro or negative.
I know little of this issue, my only wish is that the truth wins out. Reading all the comments, ect., it seems that the posting by Sunny ji, who I know is the son of a Sikh whose support for Khalistan can not be doubted (nor can Sunny's) is most credible. When he says that the Gentleman said nothing negative about Guru Gobind Singh, I am prone to believe him.
Recently several Muslims and many Christians have been killed, because someone yelled blasphemy. Only (making up a charge) such as I saw him crumble a line from the Qur'an got the Christians burned to death. The Muslim was killed because someone who had a grudge, said he saw him crumple a page of a calendar that had lines from the Qur'an.
Hate is pretty obvious when one sees it. People act and form opinions, without bothering to check the facts.
Regards, I will stay clear of this obviously 'political' business.
Added link to this story today in Dawn news, http://blog.dawn.com/2010/07/27/its-societys-fault/
Allenwalla 12:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
About Prof. Darshan Singh Khalsa page
Hanji veerji,
Whatever is easy for you is okay with me.
A shadow page might be better, that way once I've made changes, I can send you a message. With that way, you wouldn't have to keep checking changes and I can group changes together so it's more efficient.
I won't be making changes in the near future. He's not one who cares to "auto-biograph". The information I have posted previously was when a child asked about his history during one of the camps at the academy - luckily someone wrote it out. I'm trying to find a template of questions that I can ask him and I could post those answers.
Okay veerji, thank you for your hospitality. -- ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕ ਗਰ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ (eikaa baanee eik gur eiko sabadh veechaar.) 19:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Wrong Presentation by Bhai Gurdas
No one needs to vouch for Bhai Gurdas ji compositions; his association with Guru Arjan and the holy Granth is proof of his Gurmat credentials.
this version is against dhanna's own wording and guru ram dass.
Neither of our Gurus present Love in this form like Bhai Gurdas did in this Vaar. Gurus had this example, why not they gave in his bani. Why not guru performed this act, and what was problem with Guru Angad Dev and Guru Amar Dass why they Left DEVI worship? They could have perform that by HEART?
The line which you have given shows importance to Love with God not Tiraths etc. In This Sakhi what Dhanna is doing, read:
ਪਥਰ ਇਕ ਲਪੇਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇ ਧੰਨੈ ਨੋ ਗੈਲ ਛਡਾਵੈ । The brahman rolled a stone, gave it to Dhanna and thus got rid of him.
ਠਾਕਰ ਨੋ ਨਹਾਵਾਲਿ ਕੈ ਛਾਹਿ ਰੋਟੀ ਲੈ ਭੋਗ ਚੜਹਾਵੈ । Dhanna bathed the Thakur and offered him bread and buttermilk.
ਹਥਿ ਜੋੜਿ ਮਿਨਤਿ ਕਰੈ ਪੈਰੀ ਪੈ ਪੈ ਬਹਤ ਮਨਾਵੈ । With folded hands and falling at the feet of the stone he begged for his service to be accepted.
ਹਉ ਭੀ ਮਹ ਨ ਜਠਾਲਸਾਂ ਤੂ ਰਠਾ ਮੈ ਕਿਹ ਨ ਸਖਾਵੈ । Dhanna said, “I will also not eat because how can I be happy if you are annoyed.”
See how dhanna is rolling around stones. No Single line is present in Granth of attaining parmeshwar using this technique and no record anywhere is present this technique of attaining parmeshar.
Dhanna is loving stone here not God. He is keeping fast.
on one side you are saying this is against gurmat on other side you are saying if i will perform all these acts with LOVE then i will surely get it. Kindly give me one viewpoint.
sir i m now suspecting on vaars, are these real or adulterated later, i haven't read such thing even in dasam granth, which is under great controversy. Dal mei kuch kala hai.
do one thing in idol worship add the point with bhai gurdas vaar: that if you do idol worship with love n devotion, or you become stubborn and leave food(but all in locve) you will definmately attain god.
or should i add this refering vaar? (paapi 01:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC))
kindly read my answer in NRI
Sir, i hv replied ur question but i think u hv not read it,kindly read my answer in NRI on ur this talk page. Thnx. Sarbjeet Singh
Mysticism
mysticism
Hari ji, Reading the page on Freedom and Leela, i was surprised to see the line - …and began to practice mysticism as prescribed by Guru Nanak and Sikhism. I realized that this was a word I had rarely seen in these articles.
Looking mysticism up on wikipedia, though every other religion is mentioned, there is even a list of religions in which mysticism plays a part, Sikhism is not mentioned at all.
Perhaps you know someone qualified to write on Sikhi and mysticism.
The page on yoga has this line - Both Yoga and Sikhism are essentially mystical faiths. Yet it also says - Sikhism rejects the traditional forms and practices of yoga…
Yet the SGGS has this among many mentions of yoga:
| ਕਹਨ ਕਹਾਵਨ ਕਉ ਕਈ ਕੇਤੈ ॥ ਝਸੋ ਜਨ ਬਿਰਲੋ ਹੈ ਸੇਵਕ ਜੋ ਤਤ ਜੋਗ ਕਉ ਬੇਤੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਦਖ ਨਾਹੀ ਸਭ ਸਖ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਰੇ ਝਕੈ ਝਕੀ ਨੇਤੈ ॥ ਬਰਾ ਨਹੀ ਸਭ ਭਲਾ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਰੇ ਹਾਰ ਨਹੀ ਸਭ ਜੇਤੈ ॥੧॥ |
| Kahan kahĝvan kao kaī kėṯai. Aiso jan birlo hai sėvak jo ṯaṯ jog kao bėṯai. ॥1॥ rahĝo.
Ḏukẖ nĝhī sabẖ sukẖ hī hai rė ėkai ėkī nėṯai. Burĝ nahī sabẖ bẖalĝ hī hai rė hĝr nahī sabẖ jėṯai.॥1॥ |
| Many speak and talk about God. But one who understands the essence of Yoga - such a humble servant is very rare ((1)(Pause)) |
The following lines, referring to Bhai Gurdas, repeated on many pages, is about the only other time the word mysticism is mentioned:
Bhai Gurdas in his Varan has used it as being synonymous with the absolute, the Creator in a number of places (I. 49, IV. 17, VI. 5, IX. 13, XI. 3 and 8, XII. 17, XII. 2, XXIV. 1, Xl. 22). This prolific use by one whose philosophical exposition of Sikh metaphysics and mysticism…
What word would one use in Punjabi for mysticism?
Allenwalla 23:52, 19 August 2010 (EDT)
a book of interest - History of Sikh Gurus Retold and a very interesting video
Reading a page entitled Amir ul Imla, i wanted to do a little further reading on the subject. This led me to a very interesting book, much of which is available on the net (at least to page 14)
History of Sikh Gurus Retold: 1469-1606 C.E By Surjit Singh Gandhi - link -> http://books.google.com/books?id=qw7-kUkHA_0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Muntakhab%20Ul%20Haqaiq&source=gbs_slider_thumb#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 09:29, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
also please watch: my wife was watching this video , how muslims are treated in america, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbQWxHIn4U ) although the video is about the style of dress of a Muslim, many sikhs have run into this as well.
Canada, from a story in al jazeera
I had not read of the 1987 event.
Historically, dating back to the outbreak of World War I, boats carrying Sikhs, Jews or Chinese have always met with an almost irrational hysteria, orchestrated by the Liberal and Conservative governments of the day.…
…Ottawa wants to confirm that the migrants are not associated with the Tamil Tigers [REUTERS]
As recently as 1987, Brian Mulroney, the then prime minister, called parliament back from its summer recess to debate the fallout from the arrival of a boatload of Sikhs from India. The heated rhetoric centred on the possibility that Canada was becoming a haven for those fighting for an independent "Khalistan" carved out of India.
The second factor is a fallout from the so-called Khalistan phenomenon.
Also, perhaps i have asked too many questions or managed to cancel out the auto notice of mail.
2 questions of last week (see above):
question on mysticism - a comparable word in the SGGS/ or in Panjabi
and
a book of interest - History of Sikh Gurus Retold and a very interesting video
Reading a page entitled Amir ul Imla, led me to do a little further reading on the subject. This led to a very interesting book, much of which is available on the net (at least to page 40)
History of Sikh Gurus Retold: 1469-1606 C.E By Surjit Singh Gandhi - link -> http://books.google.com/books?id=qw7-kUkHA_0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Muntakhab%20Ul%20Haqaiq&source=gbs_slider_thumb#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 09:29, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
also please watch: my wife was watching this video , how muslims are treated in america, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbQWxHIn4U ) although the video is about the style of dress of a Muslim, many sikhs have run into this as well. it seems more and more americans are attacking the fringe voices of hate.
copy to:
Sardar ji, in my dreams last night it occurred to me that I should have looked to see who had posted the story on Hacienda de Guru Ram Das, so I am now copying the letter I sent to Gmustuk last night:
Sir, I made a few changes on the page - Hacienda de Guru Ram Das today. My concern is if i have linked to the correct pages. The 3 external links are in this line -
To learn more about our lifestyle at HGRD, please visit 3HO Foundation [1] and Sikh Dharm [2] or [3].
There are so many pages - these seemed the correct ones.
Please review, Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 20:56, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
Sajid KHan apologized
As you know Sajid KHan apologized for his comments against sikh martial act and he agreed that he did not know much about this tradition.
In second round bir khalsa group again performed and judges commented it brilliant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNA-kYIxGoM
(Lucky 09:00, 29 August 2010 (EDT))
