User talk:Hari singh
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My side, no my side
Bhai Sahib ji, After reading the history of the talk pages and the artical itself, I (a fairly neutral observer) would be inclined to revert the page to the edit by - Revision as of 04:52, 9 June 2010 (edit) Dilpreet Singh (Talk | contribs).
Then I suggest locking the page and putting a note at the top or bottom, like the one on castes, ect. (the blue boxes) that states there is a great deal of controvercy, ect. please at your positive and negative comments and links in the appropriate section on the talk pages.
Then put a section on the talk page for people to spew their personal hatred or post their civil comments both pro or negative.
I know little of this issue, my only wish is that the truth wins out. Reading all the comments, ect., it seems that the posting by Sunny ji, who I know is the son of a Sikh whose support for Khalistan can not be doubted (nor can Sunny's) is most credible. When he says that the Gentleman said nothing negative about Guru Gobind Singh, I am prone to believe him.
Recently several Muslims and many Christians have been killed, because someone yelled blasphemy. Only (making up a charge) such as I saw him crumble a line from the Qur'an got the Christians burned to death. The Muslim was killed because someone who had a grudge, said he saw him crumple a page of a calendar that had lines from the Qur'an.
Hate is pretty obvious when one sees it. People act and form opinions, without bothering to check the facts.
Regards, I will stay clear of this obviously 'political' business.
Added link to this story today in Dawn news, http://blog.dawn.com/2010/07/27/its-societys-fault/
Allenwalla 12:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
About Prof. Darshan Singh Khalsa page
Hanji veerji,
Whatever is easy for you is okay with me.
A shadow page might be better, that way once I've made changes, I can send you a message. With that way, you wouldn't have to keep checking changes and I can group changes together so it's more efficient.
I won't be making changes in the near future. He's not one who cares to "auto-biograph". The information I have posted previously was when a child asked about his history during one of the camps at the academy - luckily someone wrote it out. I'm trying to find a template of questions that I can ask him and I could post those answers.
Okay veerji, thank you for your hospitality. -- ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕ ਗਰ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ (eikaa baanee eik gur eiko sabadh veechaar.) 19:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Wrong Presentation by Bhai Gurdas
No one needs to vouch for Bhai Gurdas ji compositions; his association with Guru Arjan and the holy Granth is proof of his Gurmat credentials.
this version is against dhanna's own wording and guru ram dass.
Neither of our Gurus present Love in this form like Bhai Gurdas did in this Vaar. Gurus had this example, why not they gave in his bani. Why not guru performed this act, and what was problem with Guru Angad Dev and Guru Amar Dass why they Left DEVI worship? They could have perform that by HEART?
The line which you have given shows importance to Love with God not Tiraths etc. In This Sakhi what Dhanna is doing, read:
ਪਥਰ ਇਕ ਲਪੇਟਿ ਕਰਿ ਦੇ ਧੰਨੈ ਨੋ ਗੈਲ ਛਡਾਵੈ । The brahman rolled a stone, gave it to Dhanna and thus got rid of him.
ਠਾਕਰ ਨੋ ਨਹਾਵਾਲਿ ਕੈ ਛਾਹਿ ਰੋਟੀ ਲੈ ਭੋਗ ਚੜਹਾਵੈ । Dhanna bathed the Thakur and offered him bread and buttermilk.
ਹਥਿ ਜੋੜਿ ਮਿਨਤਿ ਕਰੈ ਪੈਰੀ ਪੈ ਪੈ ਬਹਤ ਮਨਾਵੈ । With folded hands and falling at the feet of the stone he begged for his service to be accepted.
ਹਉ ਭੀ ਮਹ ਨ ਜਠਾਲਸਾਂ ਤੂ ਰਠਾ ਮੈ ਕਿਹ ਨ ਸਖਾਵੈ । Dhanna said, “I will also not eat because how can I be happy if you are annoyed.”
See how dhanna is rolling around stones. No Single line is present in Granth of attaining parmeshwar using this technique and no record anywhere is present this technique of attaining parmeshar.
Dhanna is loving stone here not God. He is keeping fast.
on one side you are saying this is against gurmat on other side you are saying if i will perform all these acts with LOVE then i will surely get it. Kindly give me one viewpoint.
sir i m now suspecting on vaars, are these real or adulterated later, i haven't read such thing even in dasam granth, which is under great controversy. Dal mei kuch kala hai.
do one thing in idol worship add the point with bhai gurdas vaar: that if you do idol worship with love n devotion, or you become stubborn and leave food(but all in locve) you will definmately attain god.
or should i add this refering vaar? (paapi 01:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC))
Archive
Sardar ji, Could you please archive my talk page as well. I can't find the directions on doing this.
Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 10:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Questions
Hari ji, I am puzzled by something that happened today. I found an old page that Lucky ji had done that had some Bani from the Guru Granth Sahib and many sentences that had repeated references to (what I think or feel) definitely the writer/s opinions.
There were also some (Bani?) in only Panjabi.
It started with:
Photos, Pictures, Sceneries or Statues of the 10 Human Gurus are not accepted within Sikhi and Sikhi fully rejects the use of them.
Surely People who have one of the well known images that have come to be thought of as Guru Nanak or any other of the Sikh Gurus, on every Sikh domain know that that is not Guru Nanak or even an Image of him.
If i draw a picture of a tiger people know it is not a tiger. Who worships a picture? We have pictures and statues of Presidents, but no one worships them or thinks of them as an idol. Where Muslims and others have died or been murdered over rumors of a Qur'an, or even a page of a hand written line on note paper being wadded up, doing the same with a bible would not cause anger, because a drawing of Jesus is not thought of as being holy. It is the thoughts, or living ones life as Jesus would (helping the sick and infirm and feeding, even defending the helpless and the starving that are considered holy.
Mohamet followed Jewish teachings and forbade imagery of living beings and particularly himself, thinking people would start worship them? But the Qur'ans and Muslim Masjid's are full of quotes from the Qur'an written in letters that clearly are seen as birds, vines, ect.
Before the use of letters that are graven images of and idea or sound. If I draw a line (—) I have just written one in Chinese. Draw it again (I) and I have written A (or Allah) in Arabic. Letters are nothing more than images of sounds and ideas (they are drawings representing something else). No one worships letters. An (A) in Roman text is a picture of a bull turned upside down and a B a (pronounced Bait in Arabic) or (Beth) in Hebrew - is a diagram (picture/idea) of a house. Eliza beth - means house of Eliza. Writing - Udham Singh Nagoke- tells me that Udham is a Sikh or a Rajput from the village of Nagoge (udham means one who works hard); the word Singh - of course means lion. Guru Nanak's name tells us (teacher/leader/guide/Punjab/India/Sikh - light (good) overcoming darkness (bad) (Grandparent's home - also which grandparent's home.
Photos are nothing but dots (letters) that assemble into shades that depict photos or paintings (sentences) that like letters and sentences evoke a thought or Idea.
Do people actually worship pictures in India, why should a l a page that does not mention idols be labeled
- The page with this template needs to be deleted as it violates the rules of Sikhiwiki
- This page will be delete on the next scan by a SikhiWiki Administrator/Sysop.
Sorry, but I am in the dark on this one.
Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 02:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
cc to Lucky ji.
will erase later
Sir, i hv replied ur question but i think u hv not read it,kindly read my answer in NRI on ur this talk page. Thnx.
Sarbjeet Singh
