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Was reading about India's National Anthem written to One God
- O! Dispenser of India's destiny, thou art the ruler of the minds of all people
- Thy name rouses the hearts of Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat, the Maratha country,
- in the Dravida country, Utkala and Bengal;
- It echoes in the hills of the Vindhyas and Himalayas,
- it mingles in the rhapsodies of the pure waters of Yamuna and ganga:
- They chant only thy name.
- They seek only thy auspicious blessings.
- They sing only the glory of thy victory.
Reading that R. Tagore from Bengal had written this to God, I noted that he Had listed Punjab first and was touched that he wrote --They sing only the glory of thy victory. (no mention of Gods)
and not using Vande Mataram, in part a song to Durga or Shakti , perhaps the importance of the feminine mother of Kings and all that Guru Nanak lauded rather than giving a lower status to women as so many of the worlds other religions do or help to keep in place, with most teaching the idea of the husband as the God of the woman--easily burned in a suspicious 'kitchen fire' or divorced by a few words repeated a few times or not allowed to vote till late last century. Or even be in some of God's houses along with the men--as their presence would interfere with the mens worship? Wow was Guru Nanak ever ahead of the curve! Allenwalla 08:05, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Sat Shri Akaal
Kimey ho sir jee?? ki hal aa ghar sabh kidan nae? India trip kad lag reha?
Recent Manikaran Sahib da trip lagga. Khoob Enjoy kita. Khoob Historical facts kathe kitey. Nature lap ch enjoyment te sang guru swaad e vakhra. Kuj pics upload kitiyaa han aas hai pasand avan giyan
Rawalsar e Mandi gurdwara sahib v gaya si oh fotuan lai ke kal haazar hovun. (Lucky 18:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC))
Sikhism Islam
Hari ji, this is a rather odd article to be here. It says it isone of many parts. Though it is seemingly written by someone w/ a Muslim name it seems to be a diatribe pointing out the problems with Islam and the Qur'an. Sikhs are never mentioned. The writer describes it as Blasphemy and it seems to be an attack on believing in Allah. Please review. Allenwalla 11:10, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
sat shri akal again
u havent replied to my previous message.
needs stats of website like how many articles etc etc. thx(Lucky 14:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC))
Changes by Gurmeetaman
SSA, Hari ji, the changes made to 9 or so pages by Gurmeetaman seem to be links to someones ad services for the web and seem to be out of place in the pages will leave this to you and my fellow user group to decide. thanks Richard
Bani
Sardar Ji, Checking the page on Bani I noticed the line --which is treated like a living Guru. I thought to change this as the SGGS in homes is probably not given the lavish 'Maharaja, Queen, King, Nizam or 17th century Sikh Guru, which the SGGS is given to lesser extent in every Gurdwara. The ritualistic treatment paid to the SGGS at the Harmandir Sahib (doubtless at many major Gurdwaras and other Thakhats) seems to match the treatment as imagined afforded to Guru Gobind Singh, though I have never read of him having the lavish privi council of the european royals who had lords or ladies putting them to bed, fanning them and taking care of their chamber pot, ect. I just do not see, in my imagination Guru Gobind Singh being that effete. As were often the most effeminant English and French kings.
However the Palki, the trumpet heralding the coming and going of the SGGS; the nightly cleaning of the 'Palace" and the 'Throne' room (The Golden Temple) might even be superior to that of the days of Guru Gobind Singh as I doubt his coverings and the cushions of his 'throne' (seat in his court) were changed each day. So my thought was that the SGGS is treated in the same way that Sikhs think that Guru Gobind Singh was or should have been treated--equal to the splendour afforded any Maharaja of India's princely states or the Mughal or Hindu Courts.
So I thought the line --which is treated like a living Guru, might be more accurate as:
…the SGGS is treated in the same way as Sikhs treated their last living Gurus. I say last as I cannot imagine Guru Nanak or Guru Angad ever allowing anyone to carry them about in Golden or Silver throne chairs as the Emperors of India (Rajputs, Mughals), Japan, England and France (Louis XIV le Roi Soleil) all those who thought they were the son of the Sun (or God) as was once thought by them and their subjects.Allenwalla 22:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I also wonder when this custom at the Golden Temple started, particularly if it was begun by the Mahants who had even included (I have read) Murtis in the Harmandir Sahib itself, the washing with milk seems to be something left over from those times?
Thank very much for the reply
Thank very much for the reply
Hari Ji, thanks for the elaborate and well thought out response and your time and your thoughts. I have been reading the e-paper of Dawn in Pakistan and read today of the first speech to the governmental assembly of Pakistan when Jinnah spoke of every one forgetting to argue over their religions and planned freedom for all, of all casts and religions equating Islam with democracy as the Rasul had intended. How soon the killing started forgetting all he dreamed of--his words on the value of women in government are priceless (as if he had studied the words of Nanak). If you have not seen the paper key in Dawn Pak-then click the link (you may need to register your e-mail as at sikhiwiki) and create a password. By clicking on each page and article or its headline (somewhat tricky) the stories are quite amazing and now I see why B.C. (the comic) caused such a stir in the Muslim world as it along with 'Jughead', which long ago disappeared from our local papers are read each day by thousands of Pakistanis. (the Swat peace deal with the taleban seems very scary, turning people over to head cutters who kill over a 'Frankenstienish' interpretation of Islam to protect the livelihood and ways of the most ignorant of backward mullahs who condemn any form of music and kill anyone who opposes them. With their grand dream of conquering Afghanistan, Pakistan and then taking over India. I am amazed that Mullah Omar, with no education, ilm, took out the last cloak known to be worn by the Prophet (saw) of Islam and wore it as he preached to his followers. Can you imagine any one taking out the armor and shastars of Guru Gobind Singh or wearing relics of Guru Nanak? Allenwalla 06:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
He also said this, to bad no one listened and the mullahs of hate and dominance won out.
While addressing the Constituent Assembly, Quaid-i-Azam said: “You may belong to any religion or caste or creed - that has nothing to do with the business of the state...We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one state... Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in the course of time, Hindus will cease to be Hindus and Muslims will cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state.”
…You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State…
On make up
Hari ji as makeup is usually for women, but some men in India do use a lot of kajol particularly in the bollywood movies.
Would - Adorning ones body - work? I would think that clothes, like tattoos, makeup or jewelry are all things we use to improve the appearance of what God sent us here with.
Guru Granth Sahib on adornment - works well
Parna
Hari ji, Good evening, I forgot to tell you that the pages on DAWN can be tricky, sometimes a clik on the text opens the box others the headline must be clicked.
The article on Langar says that a parna is worn to cover the face while doing food prep. This seems to be no longer the custom as the pix at the Harmandir show no covers over faces or beards (US restaurants often (health codes) require a hair net or hat and particularly a hair net over beards (though one sees exceptions/a recent NYTimes story on Bronx food businesses, a chocolat factory where most of the men (young) and owners have taken to wearing beards). Even most pix showing Langar, like the one in the article, show no face coverings. Suggest removing Parna as it no longer seems to apply.
The Swat valley deal seems to be failing, reminds me of Chamberlain appeasing Hitler - and there went Chekeslovakia. Now they want their own qazis (Taleban) and soon the rest of Pakistan while Nawas Sharif is dividing the rest of the country. Sikhs would have their own reasons for worrying over this, given the treatment of the Bamian Buddhas. I don't know if they would ever destroy whole buildings, I can only guess they would either use Gurwaras for housing (as had happened in many smaller Gurdwaras all over West Pakistan or turn them into Masjids. They seem to care little for any of the Prophets (SAW) teachings - only those of their uneducated mullahs, who seem bent on enriching themselves, keeping women uneducated, pregnant and cooking. If they had been left alone in Afganistan I think most of the country would have starved by now. Here twenty bullets for an AK-47 cost 20 dollars. They seem to have a never ending supply of ammunition, maybe the economic turndown will dry up the funds of whomever keeps the money going for all their weapons.Allenwalla 15:37, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Sat Shri Akaal
How Are You Sir? How z Life Going? Why not you make Sikhiwiki Community on Orkut.com? Many People use the website. especially in USA n India. i m sorry i m not regular, but i have many things to upload n i will do when i get time. in hoshiarpour due to slow internet speed i m facing problem in accessing website, otherwise i would be a regular visitor. sorry for all that. when r u comin! to mohali? i think i lost your contact number, please send me on my mail. thx. (Lucky 15:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC))
- <quote>How are your studies/work situation in Punjab? Is the global financial situation making any difference to Punjab?</quote>
My studies are going well after two months i have my exams, n waiting for results of my previous exams. May lord help in that. Atmosphere of punjab is good now days, Neither too cold nor too hot. Cool breeze blows in afternoon.
As you know IT Sector is highly affected by that, due to that there is a big problem for freshers like me. After april companies used to visit PU in hundreds for recruiting students but now it will decrease onto 50 even less, and due to that competition increases. So let's see what will happen. About punjab i cannot say anything because these days i m attached more with books then other medias...LOL.
thx for response. God bless you. (Lucky 15:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC))
Orkut.com
Sir ji,
ਵਹਿਗਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਹਿਗਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ,,,,,,,ਜੀ
Harpreet veer is right in saying that orkut can be used for the publicity of sikhiwiki as it is the most famous site in India and abroad . We have already made a community on sikhiwiki here is the link
www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=46064613
you can take over this community as it is also the best platform for the chardikala of sikhi.
Extend our Fateh to all family members.
Regards
--user:sarbjeet_1313me 10:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Urs of Mian Mir, could this be used somewhere?
URS of Hazrat Mian Mir, started with a great zeal and fervor on Thursday.
Baba Sain Mir Muhammad Sahib, (1550- 1635), popularly known as Sain Mian Mir, belonged to the Qadiri order of Sufism. He is famous for being a spiritual instructor of Dara Shikoh, the eldest son of Emperor Shah Jahan. He is also identified as the founder of the Miankhail branch of the Qadiri order.
Mian Mir holds a pivotal legendary place in Sikhism. Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth Sikh Guru, often visited Lahore to meet his relatives. On one of such visits, he called on Mian Mir and the two men became lifelong friends.
Guru Arjan was responsible for the construction of many ponds and buildings. In 1588, he planned to build a temple in the centre of the holy tank called Amritsar or the pool of nectar. He invited Mian Mir to lay the foundation stone of the Harmandir Sahib.
After having lived a long life of piety, Mian Mir passed away on August 11, 1635, after having suffered from severe dysentery for some time.
He was eighty eight years old. Mian Mir’s mausoleum still attracts hundreds of devotees each day and he is revered by many Sikhs as well as Muslims.
A report from the Jang of Pak. Allenwalla 16:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Hari ji, SSA, thought this might be useful.
Need YOur Help
I am updating an article Battle of Hargobindpur. The previous details of article was wrong. I personally visit the site and bring the whole history. I am typing some parts of it, which are correct historically n technically too. Please check english and making of sentences. i will be very thankful to you. There are some uncompleted parts which will be completed soon. God Bless. Thanks
(Lucky 19:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC))
Further Help Please
Wrote the new section in rubbish manner but i think you will get what is written under it, please edit it and make it a complete article then i will check it though with all historical sources Battle_of_Hargobindpur#Battle. Please sir work on this article i am trying to make this source a liable and acceptable as all other links on web are not providing good knowledge about this. I am trying to put Veer Rass in article but my vocab is zindabad. So please put veer rass in article. and slowly this will appear as article for main page. i am finding pics for the battle to or i will make some lets see what will happen.
But sir please, do edit the section of article this ia last section. then i will check for compatibility.
Thanks
(Lucky 16:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC))
Thanks
Do not put it as main article(please) there are lot of things to do. I want to make it proper source so let me read views of different author and let me upgrade the article. Sir you just take care of my English. (Lucky 16:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC))
Sri Dasmesh Darbar Gurdwara, Kopar Khairane
Hari ji as I have not seen any requests for contributions for Gurdwaras, especially any reminding Sikhs of the Dasvand which I suppose people already contribute to many causes but 10% is only 10% and I am sure many according to their means go beyond this, I have altered the writing of the page I constructed from the scan that Jasdeepsid ji uploaded. I have made it into a typical page, but have left the bank accounts info.
I guess that accepting one page asking for funds, would only make it far to accept requests from every Sangat for their local Gurdwara.
I am asking for your guidance on this
Thanks Richard
Hans Raj Hans
Sir, thanks for the article which introduced me to Hans Raj Hans, in my usual way of investigating i found some videos on youtube:
- his tribute to Surjit Bindrakhia [[1]] which I thought would include singing, but this is more of the Punjabi language than I have ever heard spoken.
- and the [[2]] Mil mere Pritma, Baani Guru Granth Sahibji, to which most comments speak to the singing of the Bani. One saying …but u must know that Punjab inherits this great bliss of Gurban in a special way quite distinct from the rest of the world.
Another says …Hans Raj is a 'beautiful' personality as well, while another can only object to the mixing of different religious symbols, attacking his trimmed beard with stupid Hindus, ect. and misses the Bani itself, Hans is not passing himself as a Sikh - he wears a mala on his wrist, sings Bani and Sufi songs as well. I don't know where this was recorded, I guess I don't understand those who think that Guru Nanak and even the SGGS only belong to Sikhs-in Sikh Gurdwaras.
- also there was a tribute to Surjit Bindrakhia by Gurdas Mann (one of the so called slow Sikhs), though I have no way of knowing what he is saying or singing it is very touching. [[3]] could you tell me what he is singing and in which Gurdwara his Bhog was held?
I went to look for Surjit Bindrakhia here but was surprised to find no article, I had not known of him before.? Allenwalla 21:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Sat Shri Akaal
How are you sir? How is life going?
Thanks for Your help in Battle of Hargobindpur topic. I have improved a lot, and tried to resolve every confusion. If any confusion is still there then please tell i will work on that. I think now the article is almost complete.
I went to Bassi Kalan today and bring info about the Skirmish held at bassi kalan between Jabar Khan and Sahibzada Ajit SIngh. The reasearch is still going on but i have created an article with appropriate material, i also uploaded the pic of site.
I have created an article Skirmish Of Bassi Kalan, i read some books and with support of history books put data into that article. Now its your duty to check it out and do required clean up. Please do this and lets first put this on the main page. I have to more about the singhs which martyered there. but i think the article can satisfy all. Please do the required cleanup. Thanks (Lucky 19:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC))
On Gurdas Mann
Sardar ji, Wanted to thank you for the translation you did on Mann's poem also for the contribution to Lucky ji's article as my Punjabi is very limited. Richard
Sat Shri Akaal Again Sir
Thanks for helping in article of Bassi Kalan Skirmish. Article is wonderfully written. i will upoad more data after my next visits to places near bassi kalan.
Today i visited some gurdwaras around me and the photos have uploaded to the link User:Hpt lucky/Image Gallery4, i also created articles but i want somebuddy to translate history from the History board i have attached. I also have attached Bhatta sahib pics with horse marks(may be you had seen). The trip was wonderful. Jarnail Singh was with me.
I m planning next for SISWAN village of Dr. Diwan Singh Kalepani, a renowed man as our article info i taken from web and i havent read about it in any book, a vilage called siswan 12 km from here have library of dr. diwan singh, may be get more good info from that. today's time was limit so we didn't went there. hope will cover that soon.
Hor sunao, kive chal reha hai sabb, gharr vich sab kiddan? khyal rakhna rabb rakha(Lucky 14:14, 21 March 2009 (UTC))
Back on the subject of Jinnah
Sardar ji, today I chanced across Jinnah's speech to the nation of Pakistan, which revealed that he intended Pakistan to be a country similar to what the Sikh Raj was under M. Ranjit Singh. Guru Nanak, I think, would have been pleased by much of the speech, his plans got seriously sidetracked. It remains to be seen if the recent 'win for democracy' touted now by the Long marchers and many reporters, will grow and win out over the less freedom loving men of the Northern borders who kill even Pashtuns who resist them as they seek an ever larger piece of Pakistaan.
Remember, it was the Sikh army 'democratic' move to allow the groups of five (Panj Piares) to make decisions, rather than their trained officers that really scared the Viceroy into actions that led to the 2 Anglo-Sikh wars. This system of the five village elders also continued in Pakistan where one village Panch ordered the raping of Mukhtar Mai to right some supposed wrong. Any form of democracy, be it the Village Panch, the Panj Pyaares, the SGPC, the Parliment of Britain, the Congress of the US or that of Pakistaan, is only as good as the men that are chosen to run it.
I seem to remember a Bollywood movie about a similar case in Gujarat or elsewhere where the Gujjar Panj of one village sanctioned the raping of a female potter, of a lower caste, who also fought back; a true story if I remember correctly.
link to his speech: [4]
