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Why Sikhs do not worship Idols

Because Idols itself is non living thing, so worshipping idol is Fake worship. If one have to worship by heart why to use idols? Even Guru Granth Sahib is not worshipped in Sikhism, because it's Holy BOOK, books are not wrshipped. It is called GUru because it contains wisdom which when enters in person then becomes Shabad Guru. Thousands bow before granth for it's wisdom but it is not guru for thousands, because only few have understand them. They are blindly calling it Guru, because we call it guru.

So it's not worshipped but admired or respect. If we will start worship BOOK(Granth) then again we are fools because again it is non living thing. Tomarrow i will start worshipping my Bed.

So Main concept is god resides in GHAT GHAT not KANN KANN. It resides in heart. We could get it from heart not by these worldly things.

Now if someone make Picture of guru, it's just imagination, but sir most of the people are stick to pictures, may be you do not know as you are in England. but i have seen in india and heard in most of countries.

Worshiping picture is again equal to worship idols. If god resides in picture then i have three picture of nanak at myu home and I HAVE GOD.YIPPIE!!!!!

Now i feel you understand why i created that article.

Now why i am merging it, because it's not so long topic, so better to make a section in idol worship and put this data there.

do you know

Ravidas aginst idol worship - kabir panthis make his idols Kabir against idol worship - ERavidasis make his idols and worship it Nanak Against idol worship - Sindhi people make idols of nanak

isn't it funny? it's cultural impact.

Now in many gurdwaras photos are worshipped like anything.

GURU STANDING in photo and people is touching feet of photo. they doi not understand it's imagination of someone, you should admire art not to treat it like god.

that was my point. any criticism pls tell.

Hor sunao how are you howz life going?

(Lucky 11:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC))

Idol worship

Bhai Sahib ji,

Many thanks for the message which I got from the page history.

Unfortunately, this is an issue which has very strong undercurrents for many Sikhs, especially ones with close ties with India. I believe the main reason for this is the fact that they have very strong hate for the way that Hindus carry out their devotion to idols, statues and pictures of their gods. Also, many consider Hindus as "their rivals" and so to rubbish their practises gives them much satisfaction and pride!

For most Sikhs who do not have links with India, this is a non-issue - they know that a picture of a Guru, for example, has no resemblance to reality and is just an artists representation and a way to better focus on the personality. Further "worshipping" the picture, or the book or even the word will produce no merit in the person; the only thing that will elevate the person is to listen to the words of the wise people and re-focus your living in tune with their wisdom - only that will make you a better person.

Idol worshipping is a trait historically of the people of India and in many villages, this tradition still continues to this day. Many will "decorate" and "kiss" pictures of their gods and do "arti" with incense and candle (or diva) and truly believe that this dedication will please their god!

That is the ritual that is criticised in Gurbani. Does this help? Hari Singh^talk 19:05, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

Ghat Ghat Kann Kann

KANN KANN (PRESENT IN EVERY PARTICLE => NON LIVING + LIVING)
GHAT GHAT (PRESENT IN HEART => LIVING)

Gurbani do not believe in Kann Kann philosphy, but GHAT GHAT philosphy. God resides in heart not in particles. KANN KANN Philosphy people are Grave Worshipper, Idolators, etc.
Ghat GHat philosphy are finders, true seekers.

Like Hari SIngh told no use of idol worship, because God is present in beings not My COmputer or my bed or in my glass.

that is difference i hope clear.

Ya i have seen Rocket Singh, it's movie on marketing. shown sikh way of life and movie is about making money in ethics, but you must find bit distortion of ethics on rocket singh side too....isn't it? (Lucky 22:13, 30 July 2010 (EDT))

Rapid transport, Amritsar & RRR...ocket Singh

Bhai sahib ji,

Thanks for adding this article; I will see if we can get adequate material for a feature or just put this as a news article.

Also grateful for your comments on Rocket Singh - I have not seen this movie but now, having read your comments will try and see this film even if it is on DVD. Raab rakha, Hari Singh^talk 19:37, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

Pahul & Kutha

Bhai Sahib ji,

Many thanks for your detailed messages - I have made some of the changes suggested on both articles and "locked" the pahul article for new and unregistered users as there was a lot of nonsense added by some of the new users.

Bhai sahib, I find it annoying when the years from 1699 to 1708 (about 9 years) become more important than the whole of the period from 1469 to 1699 (about 230 years) when the Khalsa Sikh did not exist. Further, some of these Sikhs are completely focused on these rituals and have no idea of the words preached by the holy Granth.

Unfortunately, I see a lot of " detail refining" of the old customs and oral tradition started by Guru Gobind Singh especially in 1699 with the creation of the Khalsa. Each of the elements is refined to an infinite degree - The Guru stipulated just five kakkars in very basic terms - Kesh, kanga, kirpan, kaccha and kara - no material was stipulated; no details were given. Now we have many cults who have added others items to these five - Some factions who go further and stipulate materials, dimensions and other additions. More attention is drawn to these customs than to the text and message of the holy Granth.

If these were to be complex requirements and more important than the "shabad", the Guru would have mentioned them in written form! As there is no direct written record of these items, I can only deduce that these are items that are simple and left to the imagination of the individual or the local communities. The whole of the Amrit ceremony and its requirement is left by the Guru as a "oral tradition" passed from one generation to the next - surely that speaks volumes - If it was intended to be a "strict and rigid routine" or a ceremony where detailed and complex actions were paramount, then I believe that the Guru would have at Nanded sat down and prepared a comprehensive written record.

Therefore, Bhai sahib, it is my belief that the Amrit Sanchar ceremony is by design a simple ceremony and the requirements for the Khalsa are easy to memorise and few in number; further apart from these simple requirements, detailed refinement is not necessary or useful for the betterment of the person.

Pahul: I have made the change to the four Kurehata - Regarding meat - I have left the two options as this is how this works in real life - Some jathas ban meat altogether while some ban halal only; I have reverted to an older version of the article but I think I have captured all your amendments but removed referenced to steel or iron or even wooden for the Kanga as suggested by you; removed the unnecessary references to metals for the kara and kirpan. I could not find the reference to "iron" bowl but again this is not necessary and I will spent more time on this article soon and try and remove these unnecessary "refinements" to the original requirements.

I have also, upon your observation, removed the reference to eye brows and facial hair as I believe that this is just a further unnecessary "refinement" by others. The Guru said "Kesh" which is a reference to the longer hair found on the scalp of most of us and the long hair (beard and moustache) found on the faces of most men. I do not believe that the removal of facial hair by women has any bearing on the word "Kesh".

Bhai sahib, all is well with the my family; many thanks for asking. I too hope and wish that you together with all who are near and dear to you are keeping in good health and positive spirits. I have no news about the floods intruding historical Gurdwaras; having spoken to my friend who has many relations in Pakistan, I believe that the flood are confined to the north and the shrines may have escaped the floods. I have watched the news video with great sadness as huge devastation has taken place. May the Almighty have mercy!

I think the restriction on the Panj Pyare is wrong - women can and do now take part as the five; the same applied to doing sewa at the Akal takhat. When we were in India a few years ago, my niece was allowed to take part without any problems. The monthly cycle in woman is a natural occurrence and cannot be deemed "unclean"; without it none of us would have been born!

Sorry about the long length of the reply. Keep well, Raab Rakha, Hari Singh^talk 19:09, 4 August 2010 (EDT)

Siri Guru Granth Sahib and Barbarism

Bhai Sahib ji,

Siri Guru Granth Sahib: What is the Siri Guru Granth Sahib?

"The Siri Guru Granth Sahib is the living Guru (spiritual teacher) of the Sikhs. Though the Sikhs bow to the Granth (Book), according it the same respect once paid to their living human Gurus, the Sikhs do not 'worship' the Siri Guru Granth Sahib for that is forbidden – Only the One Almighty God is to be worshipped. Guru Nanak's followers are Sikhs (seekers of truth). Guru Nanak taught them to bow only before God, and to link themselves to the Guru, the Light of Truth, who lives always in direct consciousness of God, experiencing no separation.

It is 1430 pages of words in a permutation and combination to stimulate the hypothalamus, giving intuition to mother of knowledge, giving us courage, strength of our divine father, and to give us the excellence to be a lion among the beasts and to be the princess of Kaurs."

Bhai sahib, that is excellent and totally correct as far as Gurmat is concerned - Unfortunately, many do not understand the depth of Gurbani and hence do 'worship' the Granth overlooking the word and the message in the Shabad which is the essence of the Guru - Please go ahead and add this freely as it is precise message of the Gurus.

Why Sikhs turn away ...i have wondered why several Sikhs I have written to on this site, who first offered help, wanted nothing to do with me after learning i was not a Sikh, an Indian or perhaps just because i am a westerner?

Bhai sahib, this is probably to do with lack of confidence in themselves - Many Sikhs have only very basic knowledge of Sikhi and therefore probably feel out of place trying to discuss the finer points especially to a westerner who is also "foreign" to them. The strangeness in the experience is probably too much for them to handle - that's my guess!

Brutality in Afghanistan

Very touching story of the little girl with the missing nose & ears and the killing of 10 care workers - No words can explain how we as humans can behave in such degrading manner; only the Lord can rectify the minds of the people who carry out such inhumane acts and tread on these repulsive ways; may He give us the strength to overcome such barbaric behaviour - acts worse than performed by animals.

Also on the other hand I thanks God that he has given us the technology and compassion to mend some of these scars; unfortunately the lost ones cannot be replaced by us but I am sure they will find peace despite their demise here; the suffering of the relatives will continue for a long time.

Perhaps, it is for these "over-burdening of sins" that disasters such as in Pakistan now and previous earthquakes and tsunamis befall some of the regions where there is no adherence to righteousness. It reminds me of the quote in the Dasam Granth Ath_Nihkalanki_Chobisvon_Avtar_Kathan#Page_1151 - The earth agonised by sin trembled and began to weep .... Overburdened by the weight of sin, it lamented in various ways before the Lord.137. The Lord instructed the earth and saw her off; He reflected on the measure to be adopted for finishing the burden of the earth.138.

May the Lord bless us so that these evils are not witnessed by us any more, Raab rakha, Hari Singh^talk 13:05, 7 August 2010 (EDT)

Sandhanvalia or Sandharivalia ie N or RI?

Bhai sahib ji,

Thanks for an interesting question - Sandhanvalia or Sandharivalia. I am not too familiar with this family - it seem from the ~~content~~ of the page HERE that perhaps it should be "RI" but the name in the title has a "N".

I will need to see if I can read some old books online about this family - This is a good place to try. I will revert back to you soon ....I hope! Raab Rakha, Hari Singh^talk 11:03, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

Bhai sahib ji,

Could also be Sindhianwala sardars? see this as well! Will update soon. Regards, Hari Singh^talk 11:54, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

bit of news and Opinion requested

Bhai sahib ji

Many thanks for the links; particularly the one to "Delhi students find main belt asteroid" which is both interesting and surprising - I thought that most asteroids had already been charted as this arm of science has been under-way for many hundreds of years! So it is amazing to find that students in India, of all places, have "discovered" this "new" extra-terrestrial object.

The floods in Pakistan highlight the destructive power of nature and God who most people do not recognise! It shows how quickly things can change from "normal" to perilous - almost at a blink of the eye. Let's hope that things will settle down and some normality will return to the region. If the estimates of the impact of this setback are true than it appears that this tragedy will put Pakistan back 10 years - a reality that they can ill afford considering the difficulties that they have been suffering under the present government.

Regarding the "new art" depictions of both Mughals and Sikhs, I think some of these "younger" artists have let their imaginations go into overdrive; I cannot imagine that in 16-18th century India you would find anything resembling what can be seen in these photos. Also, as you say, the copyright efforts inserted by the artists are too intrusive for comfort. Let us monitor the position as I do not think there is too many more of these images available and we will step in if this gets out of hand. I think your reaction is perfectly understandable and I agree with your stand; many thanks for highlighting this dangerous trend. Raab rakha, Hari Singh^talk 12:06, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

Question

Bhai sahib ji,

Have part replied on the Talk:Gurudwara Amb Sahib page; hope this explains a few of the confusing references.

Sorry, I failed to address one of your main concerns; the concept of copyright when applied to Sikh art or Sikh history in general is a little bit different from the western stand point; traditional, the promotion of Sikh values is considered more important than copyright and so in the past has always been subservient in this respect. Although some movement has taken place in this respect in recent times, I believe that the modern trend has been very slow in changing attitudes in the public domain.

So far, I have never come across any copyright legal action in a court of law connected with Sikh art or historical accounts; however, this may change! I do not believe that the artist would be concerned as long as his "copyright notice" is not unduly tampered with. If this notice is tampered with then they would get concerned.

So the notice is there to "advertise" the artist and so has to remain if we wish to use the image. I believe that if the notice is small then this is acceptable otherwise we should not use the image here at SikhiWiki. I believe that the artists are aware and actively desire that their art is displayed but with the "notice" clearly visible. They would not release an image without the notice as this would then be displayed everywhere without any reference to them - they would not want to take legal action in this field of Sikhi and the domain of the Guru where one is supposed to be unselfish, forgiving and generous!

The need to make the characters more muscular (as if on steroids) than real life is a modern trend and does not reflect reality no matter what the diet of these 17th century humans!

Gyani Labh Singh Bhikhi article - Yes, the removal of the photos is warranted having flicked through the series of photos - thanks for your keen observation! Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 20:08, 16 August 2010 (EDT)

Talwar

Bhai sahib ji,

Fascinating website showing the extreme skills required to make these excellent weapons; did not know steel was discovered in India; wonderful products produced by a talented craftsman. Many thanks for an enlightening experience. Raab rakha, Hari Singh^talk 16:39, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

Mysticism, History of Sikh Gurus Retold, etc

Bhai Sahib ji,

Sorry Bhai Sahib ji, I have read all your interesting messages, taken fair bit of action on some of the issues raised but unfortunately have been running out to time for the last few nights until today. I apologise for the late reply.

I read the message regarding Mysticism and then went to Wikipedia and did some amendments there; I don't know if those changes will "stick" as the users at Wikipedia have a eager tendency to overwrite things that they are not familiar with themselves.

I did some research on the concept of "mysticism" which I had not come across before and I think that although this word has not been used before in connection with Sikhi on this site, it is a concept that applies to Sikhi. As I have not encountered this word myself, I will need to become more acquainted with this concept myself first before more can be written by me. We also need to see if others have written about mysticism and Sikhi; if they have then that can be used as a starting position.

I unable at present to address your question in this respect and will revert to this topic in a few weeks.

The matter relating to Sikhi and yoga invokes bitterness in traditional Punjabi Sikhs who want to believe that Sikhi has no connection with Yoga. However, when one reads the SGGS, it is clear that the Gurus were familiar with Yoga and supporters of this form of art/skill/therapy.

History of Sikh Gurus Retold: 1469-1606 C.E By Surjit Singh Gandhi Many thanks for the link to this book; indeed it is a valuable resource. I will spent some time reading this book in the next week or so.

Your wife's video recommendation about how Muslims are treated in America was a real eye opener and a very touching encounter towards the end of the video. It is amazing how many "ordinary" people can hold such noble values despite constant media distortions of this minority community. An excellent recommendation; many thanks again. Sorry again and Raab Rakha, Hari Singh^talk 18:45, 24 August 2010 (EDT)

Hacienda de Guru Ram Das‎ and Canada, from a story in al jazeera

Bhai sahib ji,

Many thanks as always for your valuable input and highly relevant messages; I am most grateful to you. I have looked at the links that you have referred to and I think the 3HO one is correct but the second one for the Sikh Dharma should be just the one link, the second one for this option - giving two options of 3ho or www.sikhdharmaworldwide.org, in my opinion is not necessary - just have one link for each one - so my suggestion would be that the line should read: To learn more about our lifestyle at HGRD, please visit 3HO Foundation [1] and Sikh Dharm [2].

Canada & immigration: Historically there has always been resistance by the Americas to immigration from Asia; however, I think this has slowly changed and perhaps now a reasonable balance has been achieved. Obviously, it is important for the "new" nations to have a seperate identity and this takes time and careful policies. If too much immigration comes from one country, it is possible for the new identity not to develop.

When too many people from one country are allowed to come to these nations in a short period of time, there is a strong possibility of very strong links to the "father nations" remaining and hence the likelihood of the development of "freedom fighter" whose mindset remains fixed to the "father nation". Under these conditions, very little or no real development of the new country can take place. It is difficult balance to achieve and so I agree that the slow acceptance of small numbers from the "old world" is necessary to ensure stability and peace in these countries and for the slow assimilation of the ethnic population into the mainstream community.

Canada has faced a difficult time with extremist from Punjab, which I know about and extremists other nations as you mention. So I believe that in theory this apprehension in Canada and other western nations is understandable. However, this policy can also, very easily be used as a cover to discriminate and practise ethnic favouritism (a non destructive and softer version of "ethnic cleansing").

Some of these countries, due to large numbers of ethnic populations, do provide safe havens for development of extremist elements as you rightly say; the so-called Khalistan phenomenon is a classical example. I am not against the development of positive political elements in these countries, even if these are associated with the "father nations" but the promotion of violence and the raising of funds to promote violence in these nations is not acceptable.

One hopes that the politicians of these "newer" nations will be aware of these tendencies and take heed from the warnings given by PM of India and others about the potential "time bomb" if these elements are not closely and actively monitored and vigorously restrained.

Bhai sahib ji, Raab rakha, may the Lord's love dwell always in your heart, Hari Singh^talk 09:52, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

Sajid KHan apologized

As you know Sajid KHan apologized for his comments against sikh martial act and he agreed that he did not know much about this tradition.

In second round bir khalsa group again performed and judges commented it brilliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNA-kYIxGoM

(Lucky 09:00, 29 August 2010 (EDT))

Gatka round 2 and Nourishing Souls

Bhai sahib,

Many thank for sharing such a delightful photo presentation; indeed a fitting end to a beautiful weekend when the true message of the Gurus is reflected across the different sections of the globe.

With His blessings, may the beautiful glory of the Almighty Lord prevail everywhere. I hope that many hearts will have been touched with these pieces of media presentation and their lives will move towards a more spiritual and meaningful existence with focus on a more merciful, humble and sharing life; always remembering the Supreme power. Sada Raab rakha, Hari Singh^talk 08:29, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

PS: Have added these links to the article here : http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Harmandar_Sahib#External_Links

Amritsar

Bhai sahib ji,

I was working on this article but have moved on to the five sarovars; so please carry on if you need to. I will reply in greater depth a little later as I am still in the middle of several edits on the sarovars articles with picture uploads, etc. So please excuse me for a little while. Bye just for now, Hari Singh^talk 19:53, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

Sorry. No, it wasn't a serious problem for me working on the article although as I did not realise, it did give me a "edit conflict notice". On the contrary, I hope I did not cause you too much frustration as I know the system does not allow simultaneous editing. It would be good if the system gave a warning of simultaneous editing when the second person tried to press the edit button! I am sorry, I seem to have caused you some distress.

Thanks for asking; all is well here and I hope that you and your family are also keeping well; I hope you getting a good night's sleep without any disturbance these days. I remember that you mentioned previously that you had been unable to rest properly; I hope that problem has gone away.

I do not know what the word "inhead" means but as you say it appears in a few articles on this site; I think it must be a slang used in India to signify a person who has cut hair or a 'mona' as you say. Mona means any person who has short cut hair. I agree with your 'Singh Sahib' as I have never heard of this word as well!

The word does not have any Punjabi meaning nor can I find it on Google when searched on its own but when searched together with the word 'Sikh' it direct the search to the page Mona Sikh which explains that this is a shorthand used in Punjab for 'mona' or 'rowdha' which means 'bald' but is also used to refer to a mona. Rabh Rakha, Hari Singh^talk 22:10, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

God Sharp Teeth and God is Formless

Sir, God does not have Sharp Teeth. When Gurus have to explain attributes of God then at many places in Guru Granth Sahib Gurus made form of Formless God. I Think you have not read what i am trying to convey.

In Teeth Matter, Guru Gobind Singh is explaining a Destroyer form of Formless God, and he used word Teeth under which he have taken away many for example Earthquake at Haiti(The Dangerous form of Hukam), Tsunami(Dangerous form of Hukam) etc etc and etc. So Their Guru Gobind SIngh have also mentioned that he is FORMLESS and very clearly mentioned before Bani but Some Anti Gobind SIngh's Bani elements use to quote few lines from inside instead of reading whole content and say before people that GOD is formless and GOd mentioned in Dasam Granth have FORM.

What i have done is i have taken various examples from Guru Granth Sahib that this is poetic impression which is used in Guru Granth Shaib too to explain attributes of God, and remember these attributes are also formless.

The Teeth mentioned are also formless and The Mace mentioned in God's Hand in Gurbani is also formless.

Though words are remporal so it makes confusion.

Basically i am trying to prove that they are using Wrong methodology of condenming and which is not at all perfect and not to believe at all.

(Editor 19:13, 9 September 2010 (EDT))

Many thanks for 3 years of very valuable contributions

Respected Bhai Sahib ji,

It is with great respect and honour that I have the pleasure of sending this message to you. Today, 11 September 2007, is the 3 anniversary of your first contribution to SikhiWiki; over this period you have tirelessly and consistently contributed many thousands and thousands of words of invaluable and priceless facts to this website; your dedication is beyond expression in words. It has been an act of love and commitment.

Everyday, without fail you have logged onto SikhiWiki and spent your time without any care of reward or praise or anything else; you have done this as pure Seva - as an act of labour for the Lord to spread the message of the Gurus. What may surprise some is that you are not born a Sikh but your love for the message of the Gurus has surpassed that which many born in this faith will ever attain. I salute you and your family for the love, endurance and stamina that you have shown.

Despite many hurdles and objections over the last 3 years, you have focused on the central theme and so have shown me and others how seva should be done. Apart from these humble words, I cannot perform any act to express my respect and my feeling of gratitude for the selfless service that you have performed.

I pray to the Almighty Lord to grant you all your wishes and desires and may all the world's happiness and joys be with you always; may He give you courage and strength to overcome any difficulty and may you always find peace and tranquillity in your heart. Raab Rakha, your humble fellow colleague at Sikhiwiki, Hari Singh^talk 19:43, 11 September 2010 (EDT)

Bhai Sahib ji,

Many thanks for your kind response. I was saddened to learn that you were not feeling too well a couple of days ago; I hope your health has improved and has taken a decisive turn for the better now.

You truly have done a fantastic job and I shall always be thankful for your great effort so far. It is a bonus when you say that ".... each day has been an enjoyable learning experience that has greatly enriched our lives". It is really magnificent that you have contributed so much in the 3 years but at the same time you appear to have enjoyed this exercise; it is really magical.

May the Good Lord keep it that way and may you continue to enjoy this great service and the excellent contribution for many many more years. For both our sakes, I hope I shall be sending you a similar message for this selfless service lasting 30 years in 27 years time!

You may know that the software was set-up by Bhai Gurumustuk Singh of Sikhnet but in the initial period there was little input from the wider audience; anyway, that is history, it appears that we now get a million "hits" a month which is beyond my initial expectations. Many, many thanks again to you both - including Bhabiji as well. Rab Rakha, Hari Singh^talk 13:49, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Nadar

Bhai sahib ji

Many thanks for the message - the article will come later but just a taster for the definition of the word "Nadar" in this amazing paper - Sorry it is a bit long but I hope you will like it, Hari Singh^talk 20:38, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

Dr. Jaswant Singh Neki: Conversation with a Polymath

From Sikh Review RAVINDER SINGH TANEJA* * 6172 Commonwealth Dr., Westerville OH 43082. Email: [email protected]

A MAN OF MANY DIMENSIONS and diverse accomplishments, Dr Jaswant Singh Neki is a veritable polymath and a Renaissance man in our midst. At 84 years young, he remains a visible and active presence in Sikh affairs - one of the few public intellectuals that the Sikhs can claim.

Trained as a physician, most of us know him in his avatar as a man of medicine – psychiatrist, public health policy expert, Department Head at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS), Delhi, and Director of the Post Graduate Institute (PGI), Chandigarh. He also found time to serve in East Africa as advisor to the World Health Organization.

But we don't always connect Dr J.S. Neki, the medical man, with Neki, the award winning poet. Few of us know that his first published poem - in praise of Guru Gobind Singh Ji written in Braj Basha – appeared in the Khalsa Samachar way back in 1937, when he was barely twelve years old. Awarded the Sahitya Akademi award in 1978 for his work: "Karuna Di Chhuh Ton Magron", he has over a dozen published collections of poetry, beginning with: “Asle to Ohle Tak” in 1955 through the ground breaking autobiographical: "Koi Naon Na Jane Mera" in 2000.

Gurbani Exegesis:

He is also a distinguished scholar of Sikhi with a prolific output – in English and Punjabi. His works include the classic “Ardaas: Darshan Roop Te Abhiyas,” an exposition of Sikh congregational prayer; Sada Vigas, a profoundly original interpretation of Gurbani; Achetan di Leela, a psychological perspective on Gurmat; Divine Intimations, an English translation of Nitnem in verse; Prophet of Devotion, the life of Guru Angad; Pilgrimage to Hemkunt, a coffee table travelogue, Punjabi Haas Vilas, a book on Punjabi humour - and other works.

Dr. Neki is also an invaluable original source for anyone interested in Sikh history. Since his days as the President of the All India Sikh Students Federation, in 1949, to his present role as advisor to the Dharam Prachar Committee, SGPC, and General Secretary of the Bhai Vir Singh Sadan, New Delhi, he has been an active witness and participant in contemporary Sikh affairs, with a first-hand knowledge and acquaintance with the Who‟s Who of the Sikh world.

Although I have known him over the years, our meetings have been intermittent and far between, usually in social settings that are not always conducive to the kind of systematic exploration of his thought and outlook that I wished to record.

His recent presence in Columbus, Ohio, (USA) gave me that opportunity. Over a couple of extended private conversations and a Sikhi workshop organized by the local Sangat, we explored the entire range of Sikh experience, covering the gamut from the implication of being a Sikh, Sikh belief and practice, the current state of Sikh Institutions and the challenge of moral and ethical issues stemming from technology. In the process, I also got a glimpse of the defining events in his life.

Dr Neki would rank high on my list of individuals that I would want to invite home for an evening of scintillating conversation. He has a certain gravitas about him (not surprising in one devoted to literary and scholarly pursuits), but wears it lightly. He can expound on abstruse philosophical concepts, but always with a touch of humour and with an open mind. He is a raconteur extraordinaire, and can hold you spell-bound with stories and anecdotes; or have you in peals of laughter with jokes – all used with great effect to put his point across.

Porous Boundaries:

Jaswant Singh Neki became the first “born Sikh” in his family in 1925. Religious boundaries between Hindu and Sikh were rather porous then, unlike the hardened walls that we witness today. It was not uncommon for Punjabi families to straddle what can be termed “mixed identities.” So it was with Dr Neki‟s family.

“Expect the Unexpected” would be an apt header for any narration of Dr Neki‟s life. Hearing him recount the sheer number of coincidences – or synchronicities, if you will – that have shaped the course of his life is nothing short of miraculous. I share a few of them, not so much to chronicle his life but to view these events from a Sikh perspective.

The partition of India in 1947 found the young Jaswant Singh - then a medical student in Lahore – down and out in Amritsar where he had made his way. Cut off from family, homeless and penniless, he faced an uncertain future.

A series of baffling synchronicities saw him through.

First, a generous landlord, moved by his plight, offers him a room - rent to be paid when able. Just then, he chances upon the old canteen manager from Lahore, now a food stall owner in Amritsar. Free meals become available.

But most remarkably, a windfall from the most unexpected – and unknown – source solves Jaswant Singh‟s money problem, at least temporarily, enabling him to complete his medical education. Wandering aimlessly around town one evening, concerned about money, he heard a voice summon him – out of the blue. It was an old Sikh, a total stranger, who approached him with a proposition: “I have two thousand rupees on me. Can I entrust them to you for safekeeping?” he asked. “No,” Jaswant Singh responded, adding, “I am in desperate need and will be tempted to use the money.”

The old Sikh insisted, “and isn't that what money is for – to spend?” Overcome by the moment, an immensely relieved Jaswant Singh took the money, but failed to ask about the old man‟s identity or whereabouts, or where he could return it.

Now fast-forward to about a year later. Dr Neki, now a junior house physician, finds himself the beneficiary of a retroactive pay raise, with the arrears to be paid in a lump sum. His share: a princely two thousand and ten rupees!

Happy at the windfall, he plans to dine out. No sooner does he step outside, that the same voice – the one that had summoned him a year ago – rang in his ears. It was the old Sikh again, back to claim his money. Sometime later, Dr Neki found himself in a similar predicament – yet, again. Now a Demonstrator at Christian Medical College, Ludhiana, he had a run in with the Principal

over a day‟s personal leave that he needed to attend to an ailing grandmother. The Principal‟s intransigence led him to resign in a fit of anger.

A Mystical Encounter:

Jobless again, he found himself wandering aimlessly – on the streets of Ludhiana this time - regretting his hasty decision. Sure enough, he had another inexplicable encounter.

As he walked, an old man, a Sikh, who was selling his wares on the street, waved to him, saying, “Don't worry about your job; you have three offers coming.” Dr Neki, needless to say, was incredulous.

No sooner did he arrive home than he found two job offers waiting for him. One was from an old class mate, an industrialist, looking for a medical officer to run a Clinic for his workers. The other was from S. Hukam Singh, the erstwhile Speaker of Parliament, offering him an editorial position on his newly founded Weekly: ‘The Spokesman’.

What, I asked Dr Neki, was his reaction? He turned to me with a smile and said, “The old man had made three offers; where is the third, I thought?” The third offer arrived the same night, via a telegram from the Medical College, Amritsar.

His marriage to the daughter of his Professor at Medical School, his appointment as PGI Director and assignment as Consultant to the WHO – all followed a similar fortuitous pattern. Dr Neki shared these - and other – events from his life to illustrate the point we happened to be discussing from Malcolm Gladwell's book, The Outliers, that successful and accomplished individuals are not propelled by genius and talent alone; they also rise on a tide of advantages, “some deserved, some not, some earned, some just plain lucky.”

Dr Neki described the “lucky breaks” in his life - in Gurmat parlance - as Nadar, or God‟s Grace. “Rabb aap aaya si” (God came Himself) he said.

Grace Abounding:

Ascribing success and accomplishment to Nadar may be the humility of a Sikh, but surely, Nadar shines randomly on all of us. Why, then, do some of us appear to connect better with the flow of Nadar? Why do these coincidences – synchronicities – appear more pronounced in some lives than others?

While I don't have the answer, I can offer a tentative explanation. The title of Dr Neki‟s translation of the Nitnem (Divine Intimations) offers a clue. These are sure signs of the Divine working in our everyday, mundane lives.

While Nadar may open doors, and talent may provide the raw material, it takes hard work, discipline, persistence and perseverance to run leading medical institutions with distinction, stay actively engaged in Sikh affairs, and turn out literary and scholarly output of a high order over a long period of time.

There is no room for idlers in Sikhi. Honest effort (udyam) is foundational to a Sikh's life and I got a glimpse of this in observing Dr Neki's punishing schedule in Columbus, OH, even when on a holiday – he was up at 2 AM, did his Nitnem and then settled down to writing for the rest of the day, yet greeting intrusions like mine with cheer.

It was obvious that the discipline and structure had been cultivated and honed over a lifetime.

Dr Neki's eclectic and holistic approach to Sikh scholarship was shaped early on by the influence of his grandfather, a man of learning with an abiding interest in Holy Gurbani, and later, in Amritsar, by iconic figures of Sikh scholarship - Professor Sahib Singh, Bhai Jodh Singh and Principal Teja Singh, with whom he had regular contact.

An incident Dr Neki narrated that involved these three stalwarts is worth narrating because it highlights the mutual respect and camaraderie that they shared, but also because they left a lasting impression on Dr Neki that influences his thinking ever since.

Professor Sahib Singh had been invited to preside over an event organized by the AISSF. Sahib Singh demurred, explaining that he was pressed for time. He was then completing his seminal work on Gurbani Vyakaran (grammar) “A lot of what he said about Vyakaran went right over my head,” Dr Neki told me with a laugh. But Sahib Singh suggested Bhai Jodh Singh as an alternative, “Bhai Jodh Singh noon kyon nahin puchda?” (Why done you ask Bhai Jodh Singh?) Bhai Jodh Singh, it turned out, had a prior commitment and suggested Sahib Singh instead, “Sahib Singh hora noon kyon nahin puchda?” (Why done you ask Sahib Singh?)

When told that Sahib Singh could not make it, he solicited Bhai Jodh Singh view about the importance of grammar in understanding Gurbani. Bhai Jodh Singh responded with a "chicken and egg" question of his own, “kaka, mainu eh das, grammar pehlon aayi see keh language?” (Son, tell me this, what came first - grammar or language?)

Experiencing The Divinity:

Professor Teja Singh agreed to preside over the event. His response to the grammar and language question is a gem - in my opinion. Conceding that both Sahib Singh and Jodh Singh were more learned than he, Teja Singh agreed that both grammar and meaning (language) were important, but the true import of Gurbani rested on personal experience as well. “Mere NaloN siyaneh neh, par anubhav zaruri hai.” (They are more wiser than me, but "anubhav" (intuition) is necessary) That alone will lead to the Transcendent.

In speaking of a Sikh's engagement with the Guru Granth Sahib, Dr Neki sounded a similar note of caution. There are multiple senses in Gurbani, and we can get caught up in the literal or allegorical but miss the anagogical. The mode of communication that the Guru‟s have employed, Poetry, is not meant to be informational only - but transformational as well. Poetry is letting the WORD be heard beyond the literal meaning of the textual words.

Gurbani must not just be read and understood but “ingested”, which involves assimilation and absorption. It is this natural amalgamation of science and poetry, of combining metaphor and analogy – of multiple senses and ways of looking at Reality – that is so visible in Dr Neki's work, and gives it a beauty and transcendence that can be transporting. An example from Sada Vigas comes to mind.

Link with the Spirit:

In an essay on the different dimensions of transcendence (Paramatma Da Deedar), Dr Neki uses the reproductive process as an illustration of transcending oneself (Haumai) in an exquisitely poetic way: the metaphor of a delirious lover used for the male sperm; its wiggling tail as a sign of its delight in finding the beloved female egg, and in the ultimate loss of a separate sense of self that results from the union.

While such a fruitful combination of the scientific and poetic outlook within an individual - like Dr Neki - may be deemed Nadar, it is nonetheless, an attitude that one needs to consciously cultivate.

This fusion of science and poetry is a necessary framework to understand Sikhi in our current context. The two are not quite as apart as we have been led to believe. I found the following quote from the Scientific Activist very apt: “A scientist is an empirical poet and a poet is a scientist of more imaginative and creative hypotheses.” A Sikh's life must be at once musical, mathematically precise and poetic.

My purpose in capturing and recording these conversations goes beyond a personal desire to share vignettes from the life of a multi faceted personality and a much admired role model.

Dr Neki is an important literary figure in his own right and a living link to many iconic figures in our recent history as well as an active participant in shaping our community.

There is a compelling need to maintain that link to our past by cultivating the habit of recording, documenting and archiving – of not neglecting – individuals like Dr Jaswant Singh Neki while they are still in our midst. I have attempted to capture a bit of oral history which I believe is just as significant as the written tradition in keeping our past alive. These recordings are bits and bytes of our larger history.

Third Killer Performance

Bir Khalsa Group Third Killer Group. Sajid Comment that now he believe that KHalsa have power to stand before lakhs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYxeE8XKrw

Nadar, universe and other things

Bhai Sahib ji

It was amazing how "Good luck" appears from nowhere when it is most needed as it did for Dr Neki! I am glad you enjoyed this article about him.

No, I am not familiar with the Burningman event but know a little about the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and also the "Dr Who" series which was a popular old science fiction TV serial which I used to watch when at school & college.

Preceding Diwali there is an event where an effigy of "Ravan" is burnt in a huge bonfire (Diwali being a Hindu celebration of Rama defeating Ravan, rescuing Sita and returning home triumphantly); I recall this from my distant memory of events in Kenya when all our community religious events were celebrated together with all other members of the community; so we all, despite our different religions took part in every Sikh, Hindu and Muslim celebrations.

We have not watched the film "My Name is Khan" but the custom of burning the corpse outside in the open covered with wood is still common place in India. I have seen clips of the movie and understand the general message that it is trying to convey! It is normally just a few in the community who spoil it for the rest!

As you say, not too many Westerns will see this movie and so many of the shortcomings will not be noticed even by ethnic American! Also, due to the huge size of the USA, not many will understand the significance of these landmarks and their exact locations.

I did visited San Francisco and CA in 1995; I found the folks there generally appeared to be in a "big rush" all the time! I hope that has changed now!

Khan is a great actor and its is not surprising that you found his performance "remarkable". I find that he can very easily convince the audience about any role that he chooses to perform - a huge natural talent; Kajol too is our favourite as well - she always appears to be a happy and positive personality! An excellent actress!

No, please - thanks for sharing - it is the mundane things that makes life interesting and meaningful. As you say, just like Mr Khan, many people in life can only see - black or white - in so doing they miss out on the full colours of the rainbow!

File:Sant-Jarnail-aw.jpg - I hope I have removed the correct unwanted images. Many thanks, Raab Rakha, Hari Singh^talk 09:30, 20 September 2010 (EDT)

Bhai sahib ji,

Please review the article on Nadar. I hope you will like it. Please feel free to amend as you regard necessary. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 15:43, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

Gurdwara Pathar sahib

Bhai sahib ji,

Sat Sri Akaal ji, Many thanks for your message and the link to what looks like a very comprehensive article; many thanks again - I will read it over the weekend.

I hope you had a great time in the Bay Area and that all is well with bhabiji's mother; obviously a popular area with a bonus of a few Sikhi connections as well.

I have not looked at the directions given in the above article; I believe that sarbjeet may have started the article and as he lives in J & K it may be he has done a 'cut and paste' from some other article. The name should not be in all capitals; this is probably due to the 'cut & paste' exercise used! At some point I hope I will get a 'software robot' which I think is called a 'bot' to do these tidying-up exercises; I need to sharpen up my programming skills!

Bhai sahib, Leh does have an airport according to http://www.skyscanner.net/airports/ixl/leh-airport.html. Also again with the help of the miracle of Google search, it appears that flights from Delhi to Leh do exist as per the link: http://www.mapsofindia.com/flight-schedule/delhi-leh.html

Delhi to Jammu also has flights as displayed here - http://www.mapsofindia.com/flight-schedule/delhi-jammu.html

I believe that Sarbjeet is more likely to know - I will send him a message if required after I have had a look at the article myself later.

taposthan - 'tapo' - meditate/endurance/penance/worship; and 'asthan' - place/building/shrine. So the place where meditation/worship took place - place of worship/meditation

I hope that help. Kind regards and may the Lord's blessings be with you always, Hari Singh^talk 09:59, 2 October 2010 (EDT)

Further and thanks to your link, I have written this article - On this platter are these things based on the editorial piece in the pdf file. I have changed the initial setting from 2004 to 2008 as this is likely to still be in the minds of readers! Regards, Hari Singh^talk 21:12, 2 October 2010 (EDT)

Never beg from others and more

picture similar to the one in the video

Bhai sahib ji,

Many thanks for the work on the above article; I have read it and it sounds great. You have done an excellent job as always. You are also correct about the sadhus - you don't find them in Gurdwaras.

Because these days they are after money and food is normally just an excuse to get "their foot in" - once you start entertaining them, they will find your weaknesses and then the "extraction" mode kicks in.

Unfortunately, a lot of Sikh "priests" and "gyanis" have also joined the act and go door to door asking for donations for fictitious events like "eye camp" or langar or mass weddings of poor brides, etc in India. Hopefully, the article will give some 'Gurbani base' to challenge these folks!

Bhai sahib, the elders were referred to as the "presidents" of the jatha (group) in the video and the picture is of the Golden Temple being blessed by the 10 Sikh Gurus; The Guru Granth Sahib is symbolically in the temple and so is not included at the top although I have seen pictures with the holy granth in a second row at the top.

The picture presented was like the one I have copied here in this reply; I will try and see if I can get a print locally - I will keep you posted on how I get on in my search for a picture similar to one seen in the video. Many thanks again. Raab Rakha, Hari Singh^talk 00:54, 5 October 2010 (EDT)

They want to Probe Nanak a Muslim

Nanak was a Muslim, but was Muslim by heart acc. to Nanak Muslim is Imaan wala which means Honest. Nanak was Honest about his faith. he was not some circumcized person who believe god in mecca only and believe in ritual and rites.

Guru Granth Sahib's Subject is WHAT IS THAT ONE? This is not at all concept in Quran. Quran do have attributes of God but the explanation of Spirituality is explained in Gurmat only. What is god, what it does, how it does, hwhat is spirit, what spirit makes what it is make of what spirit have to do to merge in supreme commans etc. whole spirituals topics are concerned with Sikhism or you can say directly explained in easy language by Gurus.

many religion try to explain something in stories, but people became followers of story rather then following the concept.

1) Nanak turned Mecca, it does not mean Nanak revolved whole mecca city, MECCA is attributed as MIND in Guru Granth Shaib. Mecca Turn means Their Mind turns, their wrong thinkings about god turns. Similarly namdev turned Temple means Namdev's Mind turned toward God. NANAK explanation of Allah turned MECCA of Muslims(not outer mecca). Now this thing became popularize and people started thinking that NANAk turned whole Mecca city with his feet.

2) Nanak did Vichar with all high class people, he very less did parchar in normal people, reason being, common people will not able to listen against rituals, shiva vishnu etc. So you could check his bani which contains discussion with high grade people. The terminology which are used in Bani are basically a scholarly terminology, normal people not able to understand it DIRECTLY, ya if they have read meanings in their understandable form only they could undertsand message.

Why Nanak did vichar with high class people? because if they willcome on way the other class people who are actually followers of preachings by high class people also started way of God. Guru Angad sahib was one who started preaching in common people.

So the discussion was between technical people not like these people who are just studying history without studying what Gurmat says , what islam says,w hwre is the differences.

So better to study gurbani ourselves, to improve ourselves, to find god ourselves, to merge innaam ourselves. NANAK will not come again to teach all this thats why he left BANI, to study the way, to kill wrong intentions to kill Mind and heart's illusion and way to God.

These people who wrote such articles haven't studied islam properly, don't know why they touch other religions.

Only In Sikh scriptures HINDU and ISLAM dharma is opened fully and their do and don'ts are better explained, which if preached in world then people will gonna die OH WHAT THIS GRANTH IS SAYING, this is not Good granth. So these are just fake articles.

Check more such things:

http://aaiil.org/urdu/books/others/aaiil/hazratbabananakkamazhab/hazratbabananakkamazhab.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aEgRhqmP0 <--------- Video from Ahmeddiya, claiming nanak muslim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiMixnfMuOc <-------- This BR Imran clearly said that NANAk never went to mecca.

Take Care (Lucky 18:00, 7 October 2010 (EDT))

Lala Lajpat Rai

Bhai Sahib ji, Sat Sri Akaal,

Many thanks for your message. I have done a quick almost word by word translation - Please see if it makes sense?

ਸਾਈਮਨ ਕਮੀਸ਼ਨ ਦੇ ਲਹੌਰ ਪ੝ੱਜਣ ਤੋਂ ਪੰਜ ਹਫਤੇ ਪਿਛੋਂ ਹੀ,
Simon Commission's day Lahore pujan toh panj hafta pecho hee,
Just five weeks after the Simon commission got to Lahore,

ਲਾਲਾ ਲਾਜਪਤ ਰਾਇ ਦੀ, ਦਿਲ ਦੀ ਧਾਪ ਬੰਦ ਹੋਣ ਕਾਰਣ,
Lala Lajput Rai dee, delh de dhap baand hoohr kharan
due to Lala Lajput Rais's heart beat stopping he

ਮ੝ਰਿਤੂ ਹੋ ਗਈ ਤਾਂ ਦੋ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਕੰਗ੝ਰੈਸੀ ਡਾਕਟਰਾਂ
mhereetu hoe gahee tah dho Hindu congressi doctora
died and two Congress doctors

ਨੇ ਇਹ ਸਰਟੀਫਿਕੇਟ ਦੇ ਦਿਤਾ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਮ੝ਰਿਤੂ
nah eeh certificate dah detah ka eesh mretu
produced a certificate showing that his death

ਕਰਤਰੀ ਕਾਰਣ (Efficient cause) ਉਹ ਡਾਂਗਾਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਸੱਟਾਂ ਹੀ ਹਨ,
kartatee karran ooho thanga deeya sata hee han
was caused due to injuries caused by being hit by batons

ਜਿਹੜੀਆਂ ਕਿ ਛੇ ਹਫਤੇ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਉਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਵੱਜੀਆਂ ਸਨ |
jahreea ka cha hafta phala oona noo vajeea sahn
which had happened 6 weeks before his death.

ਇਸ ਤਰਾਂ ਆਕਾਸ਼ ਬੇਲ ਦੇ ਫ੝ੱਲਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਫਲ ਲਗੇ ਤੇ ਬਾਂਝ ਵਿਧਵਾ ਦੇ ਸਪ੝ਤ੝ਰ ਦਾ |
ees tarha aakas baal dha phula noo phal laga ta baaj veedva dha saputar da
In this way, the sky bound climber's flowers bore fruit, and the sterile widow's son

ਵਿਵਾਹ ਸੰਸਕਾਰ ਹੋਇਆ ਇਕ ਕੰਗ੝ਰੈਸੀ ਦੇਵੀ ਨੇਤਾ,
veevha sanskar hooeya ek kangrasee davee nAta,
wedding ceremony took place. At this time, one Congress lady

ਇਸ ਸਮੇਂ ਲਹੌਰ ਪਧਾਰੀ ਤੇ ਇਹ ਬਿਆਨ ਅਖਬਾਰਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਛਪਵਾ ਕੇ,
ees samha Lahore pdharee ta eeha beyhan ekhabara vich chpva ka,
came to Lahore and reported & got printed this in the newspaper and

ਮ੝ੜਦੇ ਪੈਰੀ ਕਲਕੱਤੇ ਚਲੇ ਗਈ |
murdha paree Calcatta chlaa gaee
immediately left for Calcutta.

"ਲਾਲਾ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਦ੝ਸ਼ਟ ਸਕਾਟ ਫਿਰੰਗੀ ਨੇ ਡਾਂਗਾਂ ਮਾਰ ਕੇ ਕਤਲ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ |
Lala ji nuu duust skat phergee na dhaga marg ka katl kar deta ha
"Due to the evil foreigner Scot's beating, Lal ji has died of the injuries.

ਕੀ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਦਾ ਮਰਦਊਪ੝ਣਾ ਬਿਲਕ੝ਲ ਨਿਪ੝ੰਸਕ ਬਣ ਚ੝ੱਕਾ ਹੈ? "
ke punjab de mardooprh belkul neepusak ban chuke ha?
Is the pride (manhood) of Punjab completely finished?"

Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 09:06, 11 October 2010 (EDT)

Bhai sahib ji, Many thanks for your kind words. Please feel free to put it on the article page. Thanks again and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 19:00, 11 October 2010 (EDT)

Photos of Bhagwan!

Bhai Sahib ji, Sat Sri Akal

Thank you for a very interesting article highlighting a subtle (but not easily understood) aspect of human behaviour; although we realise God is everywhere, a picture seems to bring this to the forefront and crystallise the concept at that location. Nothing has changed apart from the appearance of an "imaginary" picture of God! Amazing how the human mind behaves and functions!

Yes, generally Sikhs do not consume tobacco and so would rarely be caught displaying this hideous habit of "public spitting"

Thanks also for the link to the miracle that unfolded in Chile this morning - luckily, we had good coverage via the BBC in this case. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 12:03, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

Gurdwara Nanaksar Sahib & visit to Amritsar

Bhai sahib ji,

Thanks for your messages. Unfortunately, the Notice board is not very helpful and appears more like an advert showing the name of the main sewadar (Baba Balvinder Singh, the 14th in the line of "Akali 96 Karori, )and the many titles that people hold and little else of much use. It may? be located in Chawni Nihang Singh, Bathinda District although I cannot locate this as a village so it may refer to something else. The full name of the Gurdwara is 'Gurdwara Nanaksar Sahib, Pehli Patshahi'. 'Pehli (first) Patshahi (king)' standing for the first Guru. The connection to the Buddha Dal is also given but no other details of the location.

President's visit: I wonder how much of this story is true - it may just be something to bring anti-India propaganda later if he does not go! I agree it is exciting to think of the President going to the Golden Temple but I would not hold too much hope. The upside would be more education for the world about Sikhs, I agree totally. Let's hope this works out. Raab rakha & kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 14:15, 15 October 2010 (EDT)

There may be some truth in this story unbelievable as it may seem! Hari Singh^talk 17:16, 15 October 2010 (EDT)

Appointment of Akal takhat jathedar

Queen during her visit to the Golden Temple

Bhai sahib ji,

The requirement is simply to cover the head and I have seen many youngsters wear a baseball cap to the darbar hall and this is perfectly acceptable also woolly caps are often worn by ladies in addition to scarves, etc. I am sure considering that it is the president, a cap or any other such head covering like the ones mentioned by you will be accepted by the Sikhs leaders; the US Navy hat sounds like a great idea. Obama wearing a cap for Golden Temple visit is no issue: SGPC

When the Queen, bless her soul, visited the Golden Temple (see picture) she wore her matching beautiful hat. Many leaders have visited this shrine to pay their respects to this shrine which is where the "message of Guru Nanak" was first honoured - this is what the shrine stands for. It is an honour for the Sikhs if one visits and the person also honours the deep and enlightening message of the Gurus. This is important and I hope the administrator in the USA will consider this carefully.

I think to stop the visit for such a small thing is throwing mud into the face of the ideals of inter-faith dialogue. If we speak about high principles and wisdom than this is just a big blow to that; we are buckling due to common public perception based on a false foundation.

Akal Takhat Unfortunately, the audio is in Punjabi but I am hoping to do an article on this as it was an eye-opener for me and I am sure you will be suitably alarmed to find out the realities surrounding the way the jathedar is elected and the minimum power that he really possess. More of this later.

Picture Gallery
the US President
President with US Marine Corps cap

Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 14:20, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

Indeed, such a sad state of affairs

Bhai Sahib ji

What a miserable state of affairs! Baba Farid is recognised by many communities for his deep reverence for God and for his recognition of the true message of Allah! It is sad that all these ignorant people can do is try and cause injury to the innocent people who understand the meaning of peace and love.

Obviously, these misguided thugs cannot see the path of truth being followed as their trade in corruption and slavery is ebbing away. The region has a serious deficit in morality and righteousness - many still wish to live in the middle-ages!

Bhai sahib, many thanks again for highlighting this story; it good to be well informed although it is depressing to see humans behaving is such a lowly manner. Raab rakha, Hari Singh^talk 23:09, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

Many thanks for the link; have left a comment at the news article site - hopefully it will get published -

"Baba Farid ji is also a revered Sikh Bhagat and I find it difficult to understand how any person who calls himself or herself “human” can do such a horrendous thing at the sacred shrine of such a holy man of God.

However, despite such inhuman behaviour, we need to remember what Baba ji has said in his bani:

“Fareed, answer evil with goodness; do not fill your mind with anger.” (bottom of page 1381 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib) quoted from: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bani_Baba_Farid_7

God will take care of these evil people. However, all the peoples of God need to unite against this devil called taliban; or al qaeda or whatever. We cannot let our small differences become a wedge that gives these men of terror a hold in society. God belongs to all and we all belong to Him! So please unite in our fight against “adharam” – unrighteous and “anti-Godly” acts by these terrorists."

Hope the appointment with the dentist went well and that all the teeth are still intact! Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 12:22, 27 October 2010 (EDT)

Bhai Sahib ji,

Dentist: As one grows older, this is always a fear - When you turn up at the dentist, the result could be leaving with one less tooth. My wife has some pain on one side of her jaw and I fear for the outcome when she too sees the dentist tomorrow!

I hope one less tooth is not going to have any significant impact on your life. I know that my brother has lost a few and everyone left is now vital!

Article on Baba Farid: I have just checked the article and yes, the comments have been published - I also read the next comment which is very poignant and I attach it here for your attention: "It is ironic that shrine of a person who converted tens of thousands to Islam through message of love and peace is attacked by so called Muslims who have successfully painted Islam as a religion of hate and made Islam a target of hatred worldwide."

I am sure that there are a combination of problems with the government in Pakistan for these attacks to continue to increase and one hopes that some change will come soon!

Hope the pain goes away. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 09:50, 28 October 2010 (EDT)

Placing links to adverts

Bhai sahib ji, Many thanks. The user Shxxxxx? has been blocked; may be he has nothing better to do at the moment! You vigilance is appreciated. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 23:17, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

Interesting article

Veer ji,

Many thanks as always for an article which is well considered and throws a little new light on this recent cancer of humanity. Hopefully, by focussing on this unfortunate disease that has inflicted our species, will we find a slow but sure cure. Many thanks again. Raab Rakha, Hari Singh^talk 19:54, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

Veer ji,

Excellent video about such a strong personality; many thanks for taking the trouble to give me the link. It reinforces the line where the Guru says that in kaljug (the dark age) which is now, kirtan will dominate; it is clear that certainty music has its magical influence and it can help make people rise above the doom and gloom around them! An essential portion for our troubled times!

Most grateful to you, Veer ji; really enjoyed it and it also gave me an insight into an unexplored and relatively new domain which I have only a very vague and sketchy knowledge about. Many thanks and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 13:08, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

Your Bandi chhor good wishes most welcomed and graciously accepted; may the Lord's blessings be with you and your family too at all times. Raab sada rakha hova (May God always protect), Hari Singh^talk 19:00, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

Sandy Travels and nanak Travels to mecca

Hello Sir, Kindly visit the following link,

it contains a page of Sandy Travels who went to arabia during his tour.

Now days thispage is quoted by our sikhs to prove that nanak went to mecca. I read whole page but i am not getting where actually it is written that he went to mecca or where is the sign which support that nanak went there or something like this. The page is blurred in look, have a look on this so that i could warn these scholars or missionaries that they are taking wrong page to prove this fact and it have no relation with nanak.

if it has relation with nanak kindly simplify the whole writing and tell the line number which support this. I am trying to read it but i am not getting whcat story actually is going on. if you have your personal book of SANDY Travels by George Sandy, kindly put this page online so that one could read clearly.

Do collaborate.......thanks (Lucky 14:04, 11 November 2010 (EST))

Article "Sikh"

Bhai sahib ji,

I noticed the following on the above page - it does not seem to be very clear what this means?

DAWN.COM ON FACEBOOK

dawn.com on Facebook, he is strong".

Obviously as this was right at the beginning of the page, I have taken it off as it could cause confusion about what the word "Sikh" and our credibility generally?

I wonder what you were trying to convey? Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 20:14, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Sandy's travels and other theories about Guru Nanak

Bhai Sahib ji,

Many thanks for the message. I am of the same view as expressed by you. I do not think that Harpal Singh Kasoor website can be considered a serious site to obtained historical facts. He has some interesting theories and with more research we may or may not be able to support these theories. As you say, Sandy Travel Page 97 has no mention of Guru Nanak so cannot be used to support the Guru visit to Mecca.

I don't think there is any bad intention in Kasoor's work but an over-powering mind, indulging in the extreme which has produced some interesting views; however these views at present have no scientific or historical basis.

One thing that is of value is the inscription of the Mool Mantar at the temple in Baku. It is difficult to understand how and when this inscription ended up on this shrine. Does it have a serious connection with Guru Nanak or is it the work of someone who has a distant connection with Sikhi? Although we have covered this here at SikhiWiki, more research could help establish the nature of the link to Sikhi.

Many thanks for your comments and your contribution to this discussion. I hope someone with take time to explore in proper scientific way some of the ideas that have been put forward by this website. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 19:37, 13 November 2010 (EST)

Religious Casteism alive and well in Nankana District & I just love to sing in Punjabi

Veer ji,

Many thanks for the excellent links. It is amazing that the place where Guru Nanak was born, the practise of casteism continues. Millions of people in far-off places have heard the call of Nanak and have been elevated while the ignorant ones living just a few miles from Nanak's birth place have heard nothing!

How low humans get in ignorance and darkness. Without education and mental realisation, one lives in hell. One ray of light is that there is at least one journalist who has some sense! Let's hope there are a few more sensible people left in Pakistan and in the judiciary in Nankana Sahib District!

Interesting story: I found a few links to the Gori's (white girl's) videos. I don't think her voice appears to fit the "desi" music style but she has a "novelty" value for the Punjabis as they probably have never seen a white girl singing in their language!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-YbE0tLMDA
http://www.youtube.com/user/anitalerche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97KZGgQyo7k Aao ji, ji aian noon Please come, you are most welcome!

Anyway hope she is successful in her venture. I am sure she will have great fun but success is another thing.

Regards, Hari Singh^talk 12:31, 21 November 2010 (EST)

Banda Bahadur

Veer ji,

I had always assumed that Banda Singh was actually wearing a turban and only now have I noticed that he may have a metallic "helmet" with a spike on top of his turban. Unfortunately, there is no historical record as far as I know to confirm this issue and it may be best to change this if possible.

Also, we know that in the 2 WWs, the Sikhs choose to fight without helmets; there must have been some reason for them to press for this requirement and I assume that they choose this mode of dress as their predecessors had insisted on the same mode previously.

I have tested a normal motor cycle helmet with my turban and I can confirm that it is too small to fit on top of a normal turban; you can fit the helmet over a patka but not over a normal turban. The problem of cyclists and motor cyclists is the "inconvenience" of carrying a turban with you if you have to wear a helmet. And what happens if you forget your turban! For this reason, in the UK, turban wearing Sikhs are exempt from this regulation. I don't think it has resulted in any "additional" burden on the National Health Service (NHS) with increased injuries to the head.

Many thanks for the effort in changing the image. Raab rakha, Hari Singh^talk 18:36, 23 November 2010 (EST)

Harpal Singh Kasoor and User:Cocogijoqop

Veer ji,

Many thanks for your messages regarding the two above pages; the second is gone due to your vigilance and I am hoping to edit the article on H S Kasoor in due course. As you mentioned, I am not convinced that his research is dependable in its present form.

Also, the details on the user information has no references and may not be too reliable as such. I noticed that Sunny Singh Doad actually set-up this page; I wonder if he too was excited by some of the "discoveries" highlighted by H S Kasoor? I will try and deal with this page soon. Many thanks for bringing these to my attention. Raab rakha, Hari Singh^talk 09:05, 3 December 2010 (EST)

user has fun and Nirmal Jit Singh Sekhon

Bhai Sahib ji,

Many thanks for you messages; I have made a note of the user with changing suffix to his name and will deal with it as soon as another user profile is created. Unfortunately, I have not figured out how to deal with these abuses via the IP address but will try and see if the Mediawiki site offers any help. I am grateful to you for your vigilance and proactive stand in this regard.

Nirmal Jit Singh Sekhon: Yes, that's a good point - featuring this article for Vijay Divas. However, we need to improve this article so that we have a little more information and better presentation that is to be expected of a 'featured article'.

Obviously I do not expect the accounts by the two opposing sides to agree on what actually happened at the time; so it is not expected to give such a "compromised" view. What is clear is that the India Air Force was impressed by the courage of this pilot and chose to award him one of the highest award granted to an airman at the time. I think that is the main angle to pursue as that is what his peers appreciated and decided about this person.

Please make a start on the revision to the article and I will join in as well. Many thanks for your useful suggestions. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 21:00, 8 December 2010 (EST)

Many new users daily

Bhai sahib ji,

Many thanks for your message and good wishes. May you and your family also have a most pleasant, prosperous and enjoyable New year.

I have sent an email to the technical guys at Sikhnet to implement a "Captcha" security system on user creation. Unfortunately, they appear to be on "vacation" but hopefully they will be able to get this security feature working soon after they return from their New year holidays.

The creation of these redundant users does not create any obvious problem but it is best stopped if at all possible. I will keep you updated on the progress. Kind regards. Raab Rakha, Hari Singh^talk 13:38, 2 January 2011 (EST)

Gur Sikh Temple

Bhai sahib ji,

Many thanks for the very interesting link to the 100 year old Gurdwara in Canada. I have featured a short intro with a link to this article in the 'Daily News' section on the Mainpage. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 21:05, 4 January 2011 (EST)

Lahore

Hanji, my pleasure. I was busy setting up an non profit jathebandi to help poor sikhs in India and Pak, we are starting our work in Pakistan, so i wanted to set more info on Pak article :D

Families fine thanks, how are you and your family? Been a real long time. SunnySinghDoad 13:23, 11 January 2011 (EST)

Fatal shooting prompts outcry

Bhai Sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

It is very good to hear from you after a long time! I hope all is well with your good self and the whole of the family. Many thanks for the message.

It is a sad piece of news in what is becoming an increasingly intolerant world. I have linked into the Sikhnet news section which appears to be covering this incident in some detail. It seems that just taking a walk is becoming a risk in one of the richest countries of the world. We have had similar crimes in many parts of the affluent world which is deeply concerning.

In the past, we were accustomed to poor individuals mainly in parts of Africa, robbing and killing for money and other expensive items but now it is not greed that is the motivation but intolerance and human division - A very ugly and serious development and a clear sign of diminishing moral standards in the world has is getting materially richer by the day. Today, we have more material wealth but morally we have become poorer. Where in the past morality and spiritual values meant something now it accounts for nothing! An alarming development which if unchecked will result in total misery for the world.

Many thanks again. Kind regards and the Lord's glorious blessings, Hari Singh^talk 02:31, 8 March 2011 (EST)

Prayer for Japan

Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Many thanks for fixing my errors in the text relating to the above article; although I had read the article several times, I failed to "see" my own mistakes. I find that when I am tired, many more mistakes result.

As always, I am most grateful to you. Many thanks also for improving the general standard of the writing on this website.

I think I have been spending too many hours daily watching the awful scenes of the disaster; a very sad and heart-wrecking tragedy for the innocent people of Japan. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 12:21, 15 March 2011 (EDT)

Sikh adverts & Derea walas

Bhai Sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Ad Links I have noticed the advertising links by this user and I taken a few out when they were placed on articles having no association with the 5Ks but I have left others on articles related to the 5Ks.

The reason for this is that some Sikh communities are not able to buy the 5Ks locally and these links possible provide a "much needed" service to these communities.

For this reason, I believe that we should allow a few of these types of links of this sort but there will come a time when we have to perhaps place a restriction on these types of links and narrow them to a special page of say - something like - "Sikh artefacts retailers".

At present as there are not too many of these links, I have let them stay provided they relate to the subject matter on that page. However, I think if we start getting too many of these links, we will have to rethink our position on this. Bhai sahib, what are your views on this?

Ullus - (stupid, blind as) - Owls

Bhai sahib, I could not find the remark - "spreading his blasphemy to the Ullus willing to listen" that you quote but I am of the same view as you; the Gurus could not engage in such language or behaviour.

Many Sikhs do not understand the deep message of the Gurus and very frequently misinterpret their words in a way to suit their own prejudices. I hope this helps but if you need me to look at the matter in more detail, please let me know where this quote appears. It is very dangerous to associate such language to our Gurus and if it is still present in the article, I would like to remove it immediately - the fact that I cannot find it perhaps means that it has been removed already. Raab rakha, Hari Singh^talk 04:18, 20 March 2011 (EDT)

Sir i hv already removed the word Ullu Sarbjeet Singh

News and Sikhi related products

Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Sikhi related products I agree, it may be a better idea to group these adverts onto individual pages - I will try and start that in the near future as I am sure this trend is going to grow. I noticed that SikhKaras.com has approached Sikhnet and now appears on the sidebar - I think you did mentioned that for a similar website! Perhaps they have been listening to our conversation?

News item The news item Dishonour to Sikhs... is on the News section. Many thanks for the alert.

Raab Rakha, Waheguru's blessing to you and your family, Hari Singh^talk 06:28, 23 March 2011 (EDT)

Kauda Bheel

Bhai sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Many thanks for a most intriguing link - It is almost unbelievable! 500 years after the great Guru's mission in that region, we still have individuals who can engage in such a degrading and inhumane habit. I think the family must be devastated having lost a close member and then finding this!

I don't know about Islam but I think the Guru covers this in the general statements about killing beings: Kabeer, they oppress living beings and kill them, and call it proper. When the Lord calls for their account, what will their condition be? ||199|| and also You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action? You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ||2||.

I think these statements make you wonder and question the whole aspect of killing other beings and the justifications advanced! Many thanks again for the link. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 18:30, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

Anna Hazare

Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Sorry for the late response. No coverage of this on UK news channels especially nothing on BBC News. There appears to be a lot of coverage of national news with Libya, Syria, Yemen and Japan coming a close second; unfortunately very little from India.

I have Googled this and the news seems like an interesting development; corruption is still a big problem for many developing nations and India, in particular, is badly affected. Hopefully something good will come from his efforts. However, corruption within nations is like a huge locomotive train; it can take a very long time to stop. So unless drastic steps are taken, this national disease will not go away easily.

Also, the higher you climb up on the political ladder, the more corruption you find. For this reason, the cleansing is going to doubly difficult. Anyway, I wish him well and hope that he will start something new in the nation. Many thanks for the alert; kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 18:25, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

Peshawar & Rabab

Bhai sahib ji, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks for the link. It is a great picture and I have downloaded it. I hope to use it for an article on manufacturing of this instrument when I have gather enough material to construct the article. It is a shame there was no write-up on the Rabab manufacturing or any other aspect of the instrument. Many thanks again; a useful resource for later. King regards and my good wishes, Hari Singh^talk 20:59, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

Many thanks for being so alert and for reading my reply so carefully; as you had correctly gathered, I only downloaded and read the one picture and relating text. Thanks to your acute awareness, I now have 7 beautiful pictures for a future article. I'm most grateful to you. Guru's blessings and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 20:40, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

Contribute Here

Sikh Books

Regards

(Lucky 17:09, 30 May 2011 (EDT))

Wrong practise by new user

Bhai Sahib ji,

Many thanks for the message and for asking about my and my family's well being; we are all in satisfactory health and in good spirits. I hope that you and your family too are keeping well.

Thanks to your alertness, I have taken action to reverse the changes made by the user and sent him a message to make him/her aware of our policy in respect of making any major changes to any article. Hopefully s/he will take heed! Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 22:46, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Your views about it

Sometimes we use adjective with some words which makes feel that word have no greatness in itself for example:

1) Gursikh -> Devout Gursikh, as Gursikh is always devout 2) Gurmat -> Tatt Gurmat, as Gurmat is always Tatt, what is fake gurmat? 3) Great Devotee -> as devotee is always great, what is small devotee? and so on.

Dhann Dhann Satgur Shri Guru Tegh Bahadur Maharaaj ji <---- When we say SATGUR TEGH BAHADUR, itself imples that he is dhann dhann and maharaaj(jis nun bakshe sifat salah nanak patshah patshah and sat purakh jis janeya satgur tis ka naao).

I think you understand what i want to convey. The words in Gurbani like Gurmat, Gurmukh, Satgur etc etc etc. already are so great wordss that it does not require any adjective.

General Talk, what you feel ? Kindly share your great views <--- see again great!!!! :) (Lucky 02:21, 31 May 2011 (EDT))

response by Gghatore

Bhai sahib ji, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks for highlighting the response by Gghatore and for picking up what, as you say, is a common mistake made by many new users.

Your help, keen eye and acute sense of responsibility is much appreciated. Many thanks again and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 14:37, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

Interesting article

Bhai Sahib ji,

I could not find a link - May be it did not copy correctly - Please can you try again. I would love to read the article. No, I don't mind being called a infidel! or being labelled Hindu! Living in this world of extremes has taught me that tolerance is an essential part of survival and a necessity if you want peace in your life. Many thanks and warm regards, Hari Singh^talk 08:23, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

news from Elk Grove

Veer ji,

Many thanks for the link.

It is a matter of great shame and pity that even when we have such a diverse, multi-cultural community in Elk Grove apparently living in harmony, there is still serious, deep rooted and sour enmity among at least a few of the members of this apparently peaceful community! It begs the question, when will the individuals of the human race begin to listen to the wise words of wisdom uttered by so many for so long! Was the mission of Lord Krishna, Jesus Christ, Moses, Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) and all the others in vain? At present, it look that way, doesn't it?

Warm regards and my best wishes to you and your family, Hari Singh^talk 15:44, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

Killings in Elk Grove

Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks for sharing your ideas about these terrible killings. Unfortunately, I could not access the first link as it requires a paid membership. However, I understand the point that you make. It is amazing how man had moved into another territory of crime to establish "honor"; this honor is about the same as the dreaded honor that many Asians feel when killing their daughters! A terrible development, whichever way one looks at it.

Innocent lives lost for what? This sort of irresponsible behaviour will only bring pain to society and the sooner we realise this, the better. Better education; better moral standards; better awareness; and higher values have to be established if we are to see real peace and happiness on this planet. This all appears to be a very distant dream at present! The Lord's blessings, Hari Singh^talk 02:10, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

Many thanks for the image of the news item. It is a really sad bit of news in an otherwise peaceful area. How awful that so many people die daily from gun crime in the USA.

There is an email on the news item; it may be an idea to send them an email to suggest the link between the two investigations involving Ford pickup trucks.

Isn't it time to ban the free licence to carry a gun? It appears that a lot of lunatics in the USA like to carry and use guns to settle their differences. To me that is an appalling situation.

Veer ji, stay safe and keep well, Hari Singh^talk 18:48, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

Mark Stroman's death

Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks again for bringing another amazing story to my attention - the victim trying to save the assailant! This is a really noble gesture and obviously a little foreign to the "American Way" where its an eye for an eye. Shame that another life is wastefully lost!

I also read the story here - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/21/texas-executes-911-revenge-killer at one of our more renowned newspaper and also read Mr Storman's website. What becomes very clear is the poor moral and ethical standards of this person's understanding. He has "picked up" the hatred and prejudices portrayed in the media and has no education or understanding of a higher level of thinking or any higher awareness of the value of life.

It is like provoking a dog - its reaction is predetermined. Similarly, Mr Storman has been bombarded with the message of hatred and Islamophobia; of anger and ill-feelings against people who do not belong to the "American way"; of the rights of the "European race" or "white man" due to their "sacrifices". He can ill understand that there is a big world outside USA which also has their way of life (probably going back 1000's of years not just a few 1000's); and they too have "their" rights.

Shame that a society ill equips its citizens for the world that surround them and then when they react in the only way that they know, the system then continues to systematically kill them in the name of law! Just to quote from wikipedia: "Among juveniles (for example, minors under the age of 16, 17, or 18, depending on legal jurisdiction) serving in correctional facilities, 86% owned a gun at some point, with 66% acquiring their first gun by age 14." If children are not taught self-discipline and the rights to life of others, and can get access to guns at an early age, it is natural that they will succumb to the power of the gun! It is the natural path to take.

A very interesting story which opens many angles of discussion but the issue is totally sad and is wasteful existence for many caught in this web. Guns and force appears to rule the waves at present! There is no compassion or forgiveness in this brave new world. It is indeed sad that so many die each year and still the crime rate continues to climb. Better education; more integration; less flag waving; more diversification are probably needed! What do you think, Veer ji? Warm regards, Hari Singh^talk 12:08, 21 July 2011 (EDT)

Worried

Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks for your message of concern. With the Lord's blessings everything is fine in our locality. Most of the looting and destruction is to businesses and their premises in a few isolated suburbs of London and to a lesser extent to a few other towns in England.

Unfortunately, the pented-up pressure created by this long recession has found a leak in the disillusioned youth; this pressure is being released recklessly resulting in these riots. Today's demanding society has inflicted many wounds on the lives of its members and the youngsters have found this a way to vent their anger.

Hopefully, the police will be out in larger numbers tonight and we hope that these rebels will realise that now there will be a bigger risk of arrest. So, maybe we will have less disturbance in the future. Many thanks for asking. Hope you too are keeping well. Warm regards, Hari Singh^talk 11:22, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Problem, “Sain eeh bare Allah wale lok hun!” and another

Veer ji

I think I am getting the same problem. I tried to do this reply on Sikhiwiki and it zapped me out. So I have prepared this on Wordpad and then posted it onto Sikhiwiki. I will send an email to the technical guys!

Also, Veer ji many thanks for the links. I have read all the stories and they were very interesting; the one on Sufism was a little too detailed for me to follow fully but still enlightening. I will add more when I have a more stable system. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 21:08, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

Veer ji,

The system now works for me. How is it for you?

Warm regards, 18:08, 23 August 2011 (EDT)

Tragedy in Delhi

Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Many thanks for the links to the tragedy that has taken place in Delhi; it is deeply disturbing news. More innocent people killed by cowards who behave in such a degrading and inhumane manner. May they all go to hell forever - never to return to this earth! Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 18:27, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

UK woman who has newly learned of Jallianwala Bagh massacre

Veer ji

Many thanks for the link - it's a great story and a worthy Sikh cause. I will set-up a link so that more UK readers can sign the petition. Excellent find! Warm regards, Hari Singh^talk 14:43, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

Faujah Singh, runner in the news

Veer ji

Sat Sri Akal. Hope all in well in your domain.

Many thanks for the link and timely reminder; I have put a short piece in the news section on the main page with a link to the news about this great achievement as narrated at the BBC website.

Warm regards, Hari Singh^talk 20:31, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Fauja Singh - No Guinness book record

Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks for the link. I will wait for a few more reports locally and then adds this sad development to the article.

Kind regards, 17:45, 1 November 2011 (CDT)

a story of interest

Veer ji,

Many thanks for your message and the interesting link. I will create a news link when I get back to the UK. I am at present visiting India and as the broadband access here is restricted, I am unable to carry out my normal duties at Sikhiwiki.

I am also concerned that you cannot edit articles at Sikhiwiki. That problem has been resolved and I would like to deal with this on my return. Please could you kindly give me a brief summary of the problems that you face in using our website.

Kind regards,Hari Singh^talk 12:34, 22 November 2011 (CST)

Problems editing

Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks for your detailed message. Luckily, after 3 years of trying, we were able to travel as a family to India; our 2 adult kids had never been to Punjab and finally, we were able to make it happen this year with the Lord's assistance.

It is a challenging country to visit but has a tremendous amount of history and hence worth doing if at all possible. I hope that one day you will be able to come to India; as you say virtual visiting is also getting very good and is less prone to the pollution, dirt and heavy traffic!

I had the same problem that you mention but eventually this has gone away. When the system asks for the two words to be entered, first refresh and get a new set of words by pressing the refresh button a few times to get an "easy" option of words; then enter the two words and the system will accept the answers.

I found that the first words never worded correctly and only by pressing the 'refresh' button did I get the system to work. So please try this and see if you can overcome this hurdle. I think that once you have answered this correctly, the system should refrain from this security check. Please let me know how you get on.

Many thanks and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 04:24, 26 November 2011 (CST)

Veer ji,

I have made a few changes to your account. Could you please try a small editing session to test if this has cured the system problem.

Many thanks and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 13:21, 3 December 2011 (CST)

Problems editing

Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal

Sorry to hear that the this problem continues; I too had to enter the Captcha words several times yesterday. Although this is annoying, I was able to continue after entering the two words. I have sent an email to the technical guys to see if they can disable this check. I keep you post on developments.

Please accept my sincere apologies for this inconvenience. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 09:06, 14 December 2011 (CST)

Veer ji,

Please try again as I am told by the technical folks that the security feature has been stood down to the "minimum" setting!

Regards, Hari Singh^talk 13:24, 14 December 2011 (CST)

Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal

It is upsetting to read the message that you are not even able to insert a single comma to a page. It may be due to the change that I made a few days ago; I have removed you from the bot group as this does not appear to be helping us. I hoping this will help you to continue editing the website.

As you know I too had this "captcha interruptions" every few edits and fortunately, I have some release from this at present due to complaints to the technical guys. Please see if the removal from the bot group has made any difference.

Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 09:01, 17 December 2011 (CST)

Veer ji Sat Sri Akal,

I am terribly sorry that you continue to have this problem. However, it was good that you were able to get past the "Captcha security screen" but I cannot understand the logging out from the system - I have never had that. I still get the captcha screen now and then but there has been an improvement recently as I am able to do useful work without interruption.

I will send you an email asking for certain details and we will try and see if we can improve the situation. Please let me know if there are any improvements in the meantime.

Another option is to temporarily create a new user account - say "allenwalla2" or even "aw2" and see if that behaves any better. At least then we will know if it is related to the username or your ip address.

Warm regards, Hari Singh^talk 11:55, 19 December 2011 (CST)

Sikhiwiki problems - urgent

Veer ji,

I tried to email you but the email bounced back. Please can you contact me by email at [email protected] - Many thanks. 12:48, 20 December 2011 (CST)

problems editing

Veer ji,

Please refer to my email that I have sent to you just now. Many thanks and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 18:08, 8 January 2012 (CST)

Thanks for the link

Veer ji,

Many thanks for the link. I have not read it yet but marked it for reading in the morning. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 19:17, 13 February 2012 (CST)

A Bit of News

Veer ji,

That is indeed very good news. Hopefully, it will lead to a better understanding among the different communities that make up the capital city. I will post a link to the article in the news section soon. Many thanks and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 07:43, 17 May 2012 (CDT)

Another possible news post

Veer ji, Many thanks for another interesting looking link. I will read this in more detail in the next few days and assess it at the next update of the news & interesting links. I am most grateful for your suggestions. Many thanks again and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 20:27, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

Neighbors and the world

Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Many thanks again for the link; a sad development but one hopes that their deaths will not be in complete vain. It is obvious that the message of peace, unity and the brotherhood of human kind had not reached the killer. Despite the 500+ years, still many have not heard the loving words of Guru Nanak yet!

Sorry to hear about your struggles with Sikhiwiki logons - I am able to work reliably now; at times I have worked for hours with no interruptions. It frequently presents a Captcha screen at the first edit but then let me continue in peace! Do you think that the problem you are having with Sikhiwiki editing is fixable? Do you use Windows or Mac system? Please could you give me some background to the system that you use to see if we can get to the bottom of this issue?

Many thanks; Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 23:16, 11 August 2012 (CDT)

I came from the dreamtime

Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Many thanks; an interesting nostalgic story about the good old bygone days. I am most grateful for the link. Hari Singh^talk 21:25, 30 August 2012 (CDT)

Bicycle, 21 Rupees and Lala Pindi memories

Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Many thanks for another beautiful story. If only the human race had the same freedom that wild animals or birds have, we would not be confined by the iron bars called borders! Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 19:47, 25 October 2012 (CDT)

The death of a Maharaja - Indeed, "a hero's luster is never tarnished".

Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Again, many thanks for sending me the link - it was a most interesting article on the actual death and the non-Sikhi practise of Sati by the Hindu queens of the Maharaja. I am saddened that no one even attempted to save the poor souls from this deeply evil custom.

Regarding the sewa during the the storm in New York and New Jersey - It is about time we have more Sikhs helping the needy and deserving in their local communities rather than serving langar to the full and satiated among themselves; great work and I hope we will see more of this type of sewa in the future. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 20:07, 12 November 2012 (CST)

Acknowledgement - late but not never!

Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Today, I was looking at the article on Harmandar Sahib and saw the beautiful plan that you had done when we were working on this article in 2008 and I thought I must acknowledge the great work that you put into this plan. I have (a bit late but as they say - better late than never!....) included an acknowledgement at the bottom of this article on Harmandar Sahib here.

Sorry its a bit late; but your work is greatly appreciated and will proudly live on at this website. Kind regards and many thanks, Hari Singh^talk 05:24, 26 December 2012 (CST)

Sat Sri Akal, Richard

It certainly has been very useful and a great tool to get an instant idea of the location of the various important landmarks at this holy shrine. Many thanks, again for your excellent image/plan/map. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 18:31, 14 January 2013 (CST)

Edits on page Bibi Bhani

Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks for your kind message and concern. I hope too that your family members are all in good spirits and that your health is also holding up well.

I have read the amended version of the above article and you have done a great job. As you mentioned, it was the old custom for fathers not to ask too much of their daughters especially after they had been married. However, Bibi Bhani chose to serve her father into his old age in defiance of the old custom.

Many thanks for your continued help with this website. May the Almighty continue to bless you and assist you in every way possible. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 16:48, 20 January 2013 (CST)

No Apology, but a visit! He missed a most valuable opportunity to fix this dreadful leaf in British history.

Dear Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal

Shame, he was not more bolder and braver; he missed an opportunity to fix a wrong done so many years ago. We will need a more stronger person to apologise for the terrible crime that took place here at the cost of the blood so many 1000's of innocent freedom lovers!

Many thanks for the link. Kind regards and good wishes, 19:13, 20 February 2013 (CST)

Sikh yatrees arrive from India to attend Besakhi festival

Dear Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks for the link to an interesting story and the proof of continued lukewarm friendship between the neighbours. However, it seems that the cross-border controls remain the same as before and the volume of traffic has been kept to a minimum; 3000 is a very small number when you know that there are nearly 13,000,000 Sikhs in Punjab! I am sure more would like to go if they could. Many thanks and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 22:42, 10 April 2013 (CDT)

Quebec to ban Sikh symbols

Dear brother, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks for the link. This is a great concern; a highly negative move by politician who have no concept of freedom or liberty; They are the ones who are responsible of the rise in crime and lawlessness and the decline in mortality that we observe around the world.

The carrying of these symbols as we all know is a mandatory requirement of Sikhs and for a good reason that has been tried and tested through history. You will remember that when no one raised their voice when Guru Tegh Badadur was beheaded by the evil Mughals and all who were present "hid behind" the "common appearance" of the typical Indian of the time. The mandatory symbols were imposed by Guru Gobind Singh for an important reason - It is so that the Sikhs remember who and what they represent and stand for; that the defence of truth is above all and that they must not hid behind the "normal appearance" when a wrong takes place.

I am most grateful to you for the link. Good health and kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 09:41, 26 August 2013 (CDT)

Sikhs being mistaken as Muslims: Blue Bloods - Episode: Mistaken Identity S4 Ep10 (41:31)

Dear Bhai Sahib ji

Many thanks for the message.

Unfortunately, I am unable to watch the video here in the UK probably because it will be aired on a paid TV channel here and so cannot be seen on youtube or other such 'free' media.

However, I was able to watch the beginning as a teaser and I get a general picture of the plot. I believe that I can understand what you mean when you point to the different time marks in the video. I agree that it is a healthy development which hopefully will bring awareness to the general masses about the different communities that form this world!

Many thanks for highlighting this TV show. Lets hope that we have more of this coming along in the near future.

Kind regards and the best of health. Hari Singh^talk 11:07, 20 December 2013 (CST)

Khalsa Diwan Sikh Temple

Bhai Sahib ji, Sat Sri Akal

Many thanks for your very thoughtful message. I have updated the page Khalsa Diwan Sikh Temple with a bit more data from Wikipedia but not added anything about the recent discovery of the US Navy ANM66 bomb. Please feel free to add this to the page as it will help make the page even more informative.

The Guru's blessings, kind regards and many thanks again, Hari Singh^talk 20:44, 9 February 2014 (CST)

Baenti

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh

Waheguruji dass baenti krna chahunda hai ki jo aap ji ne Hari Singh Nalwa di photo upload keeti hoyi hai, ki uss nu dass t-shirt design layi use kar sakda hai?

OK, please include a credit to Sikhwiki

OK

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-[[SatGurBani|Gur]] Fateh !
+==Why Sikhs do not worship Idols==
+Because Idols itself is non living thing, so worshipping idol is Fake worship. If one have to worship by heart why to use idols? Even Guru Granth Sahib is not worshipped in Sikhism, because it's Holy '''BOOK''', books are not wrshipped. It is called GUru because it contains wisdom which when enters in person then becomes Shabad Guru. Thousands bow before granth for it's wisdom but it is not guru for thousands, because only few have understand them. They are blindly calling it Guru, because we call it guru.
-:::::--[[User:Mutia|--Mutia 12:18, 11 September 2007 (EDT)]]
+So it's not worshipped but admired or respect. If we will start worship BOOK(Granth) then again we are fools because again it is non living thing. Tomarrow i will start worshipping my Bed.
-== Welcome ==
+So Main concept is god resides in GHAT GHAT not KANN KANN. It resides in heart. We could get it from heart not by these worldly things.
+Now if someone make Picture of guru, it's just imagination, but sir most of the people are stick to pictures, may be you do not know as you are in England. but i have seen in india and heard in most of countries.
+Worshiping picture is again equal to worship idols. If god resides in picture then i have three picture of nanak at myu home and I HAVE GOD.YIPPIE!!!!!
-Guru Fateh
+Now i feel you understand why i created that article.
-Welcome for joining Sikhiwiki and remaining touch wid the site.Come wid more and more exclusive articles on Sikhism.Thanks
+Now why i am merging it, because it's not so long topic, so better to make a section in idol worship and put this data there.
+do you know
-Er. Sarbjeet Singh,Jammu
+Ravidas aginst idol worship - kabir panthis make his idols
+Kabir against idol worship - ERavidasis make his idols and worship it
+Nanak Against idol worship - Sindhi people make idols of nanak
+isn't it funny? it's cultural impact.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+Now in many gurdwaras photos are worshipped like anything.
-Sept. 2007
-==<u>'''ik Bore drSn deej"'''</u>==
+GURU STANDING in photo and people is touching feet of photo. they doi not understand it's imagination of someone, you should admire art not to treat it like god.
-Please introduce urself with sikhiwiki team on ur user page.
+that was my point. any criticism pls tell.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+Hor sunao how are you howz life going?
-Oct. 2007
---Mutia 13:53, 8 October 2007 (EDT) [[User: Mutia]]
+([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 11:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC))
+== Idol worship ==
+Bhai Sahib ji,
+Many thanks for the message which I got from the page history.
-==Allenwala==
+Unfortunately, this is an issue which has very strong undercurrents for many Sikhs, especially ones with close ties with India. I believe the main reason for this is the fact that they have very strong hate for the way that Hindus carry out their devotion to idols, statues and pictures of their gods. Also, many consider Hindus as "their rivals" and so to rubbish their practises gives them much satisfaction and pride!
-Well who are u from where u belongs write this on yor user page dont ive ur much details but basic details are required.
-Western culture is elgulfing whole india especially punjab mainly major cities like chandigarh mohali jalandhar etc. Our punjabis went to west sides and some has preserved sikhi and other merged in them. Even punjab culture we are losing in punjab too. Pakistan is the place where punjabi culture u acan see in bulk but not in punjab . Well tell me somethin! abt u before i continue....[[user:paapi]]
+For most Sikhs who do not have links with India, this is a non-issue - they know that a picture of a  Guru, for example, has no resemblance to reality and is just an artists representation and a way to better focus on the personality. Further "worshipping" the picture, or the book or even the word will produce no merit in the person; the only thing that will elevate the person is to listen to the words of the wise people and re-focus your living in tune with their wisdom - only that will make you a better person.
-== Thanks ==
+Idol worshipping is a trait historically of the people of India and in many villages, this tradition still continues to this day. Many will "decorate" and "kiss" pictures of their gods and do "arti" with incense and candle (or diva) and truly believe that this dedication will please their god!
-Sir,
+That is the ritual that is criticised in Gurbani. Does this help? [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:05, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
-Sat Sri Akal,
+==Ghat Ghat Kann Kann==
+* KANN KANN (PRESENT IN EVERY PARTICLE => NON LIVING + LIVING)
+* GHAT GHAT (PRESENT IN HEART => LIVING)
+Gurbani do not believe in Kann Kann philosphy, but GHAT GHAT philosphy. God resides in heart not in particles. KANN KANN Philosphy people are Grave Worshipper, Idolators, etc.<br>
+Ghat GHat philosphy are finders, true seekers.
-Now you are on the right track.Your intro on you user page is welcome.I have restored your user talk page comments by other users deleted by you mistakenly. You are keenly observing the articles and writing something about the articles is also a welcome step.But pl. always read the answer of that questions by other users.
+Like Hari SIngh told no use of idol worship, because God is present in beings not My COmputer or my bed or in my glass.
-I really appreciate your interest in Sikhism. For any type of help you would like to have from us in near future,we are ready for that.
-Please carry on with your work.
-Er. Sarbjeet Singh Sethi,
+that is difference i hope clear.
-Jammu. (J&K)
+Ya i have seen Rocket Singh, it's movie on marketing. shown sikh way of life and movie is about making money in ethics, but you must find bit distortion of ethics on rocket singh side too....isn't it? ([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 22:13, 30 July 2010 (EDT))
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+== Rapid transport, Amritsar & RRR...ocket Singh ==
-Oct. 2007
+Bhai sahib ji,
-thanks for giving your breif description allah, god satnaam and rabb will help u and fulfill your good wishes
+Thanks for adding this article; I will see if we can get adequate material for a feature or just put this as a news article.
-== Dreams ==
+Also grateful for your comments on Rocket Singh - I have not seen this movie but now, having read your comments will try and see this film even if it is on DVD. Raab rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:37, 1 August 2010 (EDT)
-Allenwalla ji,
+== Pahul & Kutha ==
-Sat Sri Akal,
+Bhai Sahib ji,
-May your dreams come true with the grace of the Almighty [[Waheguru]]. Truly you are following the path shown by Guru [[Nanak]].
+Many thanks for your detailed messages - I have made some of the changes suggested on both articles and "locked" the [[pahul]] article for new and unregistered users as there was a lot of nonsense added by some of the new users.
-We 'll pray to God for your success in your projects and dreams.
-Thanks,
+Bhai sahib, I find it annoying when the years from 1699 to 1708 (about 9 years) become more important than the whole of the period from 1469 to 1699 (about 230 years) when the Khalsa Sikh did not exist. Further, some of these Sikhs are completely focused on these rituals and have no idea of the words preached by the holy Granth.
-Er. Sarbjeet Singh,
+Unfortunately, I see a lot of " detail refining" of the old customs and oral tradition started by Guru Gobind Singh especially in 1699 with the creation of the Khalsa. Each of the elements is refined to an infinite degree - The Guru stipulated just five kakkars in very basic terms - Kesh, kanga, kirpan, kaccha and kara - no material was stipulated; no details were given. Now we have many cults who have added others items to these five - Some factions who go further and stipulate materials, dimensions and other additions. More attention is drawn to these customs than to the text and message of the holy Granth.
-Jammu-Kashmir.
+If these were to be complex requirements and more important than the "shabad", the Guru would have mentioned them in written form! As there is no direct written record of these items, I can only deduce that these are items that are simple and left to the imagination of the individual or the local communities. The whole of the [[Amrit ceremony]] and its requirement is left by the Guru as a "oral tradition" passed from one generation to the next - surely that speaks volumes - If it was intended to be a "strict and rigid routine" or a ceremony where detailed and complex actions were paramount, then I believe that the Guru would have at Nanded sat down and prepared a comprehensive written record.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+Therefore, Bhai sahib, it is my belief that the [[Amrit Sanchar]] ceremony is by design a simple ceremony and the requirements for the Khalsa are easy to memorise and few in number; further apart from these simple requirements, detailed refinement is not necessary or useful for the betterment of the person.
-Oct 2007
+[[Pahul]]: I have made the change to the four [[Kurehat]]a - Regarding meat - I have left the two options as this is how this works in real life - Some jathas ban meat altogether while some ban halal only; I have reverted to an older version of the article but I think I have captured all your amendments but removed referenced to steel or iron or even wooden for the Kanga as suggested by you; removed the unnecessary references to metals for the kara and kirpan. I could not find the reference to "iron" bowl but again this is not necessary and I will spent more time on this article soon and try and remove these unnecessary "refinements" to the original requirements.
-tracked down Takhat by the links, answering my own ? Sat Sri Akal
+I have also, upon your observation, removed the reference to eye brows and facial hair as I believe that this is just a further unnecessary "refinement" by others. The Guru said "Kesh" which is a reference to the longer hair found on the scalp of most of us and the long hair (beard and moustache) found on the faces of most men. I do not believe that the removal of facial hair by women has any bearing on the word "Kesh".
-== various questions ==
+Bhai sahib, all is well with the my family; many thanks for asking. I too hope and wish that you together with all who are near and dear to you are keeping in good health and positive spirits. I have no news about the floods intruding historical Gurdwaras; having spoken to my friend who has many relations in Pakistan, I believe that the flood are confined to the north and the shrines may have escaped the floods. I have watched the news video with great sadness as huge devastation has taken place. May the Almighty have mercy!
-Dear Allenwala ji, {{WKWF}}
+I think the restriction on the Panj Pyare is wrong - women can and do now take part as the five; the same applied to doing sewa at the Akal takhat. When we were in India a few years ago, my niece was allowed to take part without any problems. The monthly cycle in woman is a natural occurrence and cannot be deemed "unclean"; without it none of us would have been born!
-*1. [[Takht]] or [[Takhat]] is a personal choice. I personally prefer Takhat.
+Sorry about the long length of the reply. Keep well, Raab Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:09, 4 August 2010 (EDT)
-*2. yes, hyper-linking the article name within the article makes it bold
-*3. To find what links to an article, go to the article and select "what links here" from the toolbox on the left hand side of the screen.
-Thanks, you are doing a great job in copy-editing the articles. If possible please split articles into small logical paragraphs of about 5 to 10 lines. das, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 11:12, 19 October 2007 (EDT)
-:Sat Siri Akal,
+== Siri Guru Granth Sahib and Barbarism  ==
-:Thank you for your kind comments regarding the VC article - I will check to see if any Canadians have had the honour of such a prestigious medal or similar.
+Bhai Sahib ji,
-:To add a space please use the following code/word:
+'''Siri Guru Granth Sahib:''' What is the Siri Guru Granth Sahib?
-<pre>
+"The [[Siri Guru Granth Sahib]] is the living Guru (spiritual teacher) of the [[Sikh]]s. Though the Sikhs bow to the Granth (Book), according it the same respect once paid to their living human Gurus, the Sikhs do not 'worship' the [[Siri Guru Granth Sahib]] for that is forbidden – Only the One Almighty God is to be worshipped. Guru Nanak's followers are [[Sikh]]s (seekers of truth). Guru Nanak taught them to bow only before God, and to link themselves to the Guru, the Light of Truth, who lives always in direct consciousness of God, experiencing no separation.
-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp
-</pre>
-:The wiki system reduces many space characters to just one space. But the above is the symbols for the ascii code for "space". Try it, see if it works.
+It is 1430 pages of words in a permutation and combination to stimulate the hypothalamus, giving intuition to mother of knowledge, giving us courage, strength of our divine father, and to give us the excellence to be a lion among the beasts and to be the princess of Kaurs."
-:Respected Allenwalla ji, every contribution to SikhiWiki is most appreciated and I hope that the Guru will bless you for your dedication and energy in helping make his message a little more easier to read and understand. Of course, I am most grateful for your help.
+Bhai sahib, that is excellent and totally correct as far as [[Gurmat]] is concerned - Unfortunately, many do not understand the depth of Gurbani and hence do 'worship' the Granth overlooking the word and the message in the [[Shabad]] which is the essence of the Guru - Please go ahead and add this freely as it is precise message of the Gurus.
-:I like the story about you bumping into the three Sikh men and how you learnt the Sikh greeting. With your knowledge about languages, I wonder if you taught languages! Kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 17:03, 19 October 2007 (EDT)
-== Thanks again! ==
+'''Why Sikhs turn away'''
+''...i have wondered why several Sikhs I have written to on this site, who first offered help, wanted nothing to do with me after learning i was not a Sikh, an Indian or perhaps just because i am a westerner? ''
-Allenwalla ji,
+Bhai sahib, this is probably to do with lack of confidence in themselves - Many Sikhs have only very basic knowledge of Sikhi and therefore probably feel out of place trying to discuss the finer points especially to a westerner who is also "foreign" to them. The strangeness in the experience is probably too much for them to handle - that's my guess!
+'''Brutality in Afghanistan'''
-Sat Sri Akal
+Very touching story of the little girl with the missing nose & ears and the killing of 10 care workers - No words can explain how we as humans can behave in such degrading manner; only the Lord can rectify the minds of the people who carry out such inhumane acts and tread on these repulsive ways; may He give us the strength to overcome such barbaric behaviour - acts worse than performed by animals.
+Also on the other hand I thanks God that he has given us the technology and compassion to mend some of these scars; unfortunately the lost ones cannot be replaced by us but I am sure they will find peace despite their demise here; the suffering of the relatives will continue for a long time.
-Thanks again for so much interest in my articles [[Tawi]] and[[Pahari]].
+Perhaps, it is for these "over-burdening of sins" that disasters such as in Pakistan now and previous earthquakes and  tsunamis befall some of the regions where there is no adherence to righteousness. It reminds me of the quote in the Dasam Granth [[Ath_Nihkalanki_Chobisvon_Avtar_Kathan#Page_1151]] - ''The earth agonised by sin trembled and began to weep .... Overburdened by the weight of sin, it lamented in various ways before the Lord.137. The Lord instructed the earth and saw her off; He reflected on the measure to be adopted for finishing the burden of the earth.138.''
-About Nanded Takhat you have rightly said somethings. With the passage of time many myth stories have been added which are against the basic principles of Sikhism.
-Moreover at two Takhats Nanded and Patna many rituals are being done which are not acceptable in Sikhism.
-I visit the local Gurdwara of our locality. Actually there are more than 150 Gurdwaras in whole Jammu and Kashmir.
-I have also recently visited Harmandir Sahib, Amritsar on 14 Oct 2007.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+May the Lord bless us so that these evils are not witnessed by us any more, Raab rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 13:05, 7 August 2010 (EDT)
-Oct 2007
+== Sandhanvalia or Sandharivalia ie N or RI? ==
+Bhai sahib ji,
-Allenwalla ji,
+Thanks for an interesting question - Sandhanvalia or Sandharivalia. I am not too familiar with this family - it seem from the <s>content</s> of the page [http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/sikh-political-figures/ajit-singh-sandhanvalia.html HERE] that perhaps it should be "RI" but the name in the title has a "N".
-Sat Sri Akal,
-I respect your views on -ism issue but here in India while describing religions -ism is used frequently just as Hinduism,Sikhism,Jainism, Budhism etc.
+I will need to see if I can read some old books online about this family - [http://www.dli.ernet.in/ This is a good place to try]. I will revert back to you soon ....I hope! Raab Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 11:03, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
-Thanks Sir.
+Bhai sahib ji,
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+[http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/data/upload/0033/574/PTIFF/00000288.tif Could also be Sindhianwala sardars]? see [http://www.archive.org/stream/catalogueofpaint00guptuoft/catalogueofpaint00guptuoft_djvu.txt this as well!] Will update soon. Regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 11:54, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
+== bit of news and Opinion requested  ==
-oct 2007
+Bhai sahib ji
-== -ism? ==
+Many thanks for the links; particularly the one to ''"Delhi students find main belt asteroid"'' which is both interesting and surprising - I thought that most asteroids had already been charted as this arm of science has been under-way for many hundreds of years! So it is amazing to find that students in India, of all places, have "discovered" this "new" extra-terrestrial object.
-Respected Allenwalla, Sat Sri Akal. Please, no need to apologise. I think you made a perfectly valid comment and what you state may be a view held by many and it may reflect the initial reaction of the dominating English tradition of the time. It opens our eyes and what you say may be totally correct and there may have been a negative aim in the minds of the creators of some of these words. I think we are better prepared and I think it will direct me in future to prefer to use Sikhi instead of Sikhism where ever possible. Also, Sikhi is what is used in the original Punjabi language and it reinforces my preference. Thanks for pointing this out as there must be many others who have come to the same conclusion as you but have not been brave or bold enough to mention this. [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 18:25, 23 October 2007 (EDT)
+The floods in Pakistan highlight the destructive power of nature and God who most people do not recognise! It shows how quickly things can change from "normal" to perilous - almost at a blink of the eye. Let's hope that things will settle down and some normality will return to the region. If the estimates of the impact of this setback are true than it appears that this tragedy will put Pakistan back 10 years - a reality that they can ill afford considering the difficulties that they have been suffering under the present government.
-== Gurdwara ==
+Regarding the "new art" depictions of both Mughals and Sikhs, I think some of these "younger" artists have let their imaginations go into overdrive; I cannot imagine that in 16-18th century India you would find anything resembling what can be seen in these photos. Also, as you say, the copyright efforts inserted by the artists are too intrusive for comfort. Let us monitor the position as I do not think there is too many more of these images available and we will step in if this gets out of hand. I think your reaction is perfectly understandable and I agree with your stand; many thanks for highlighting this dangerous trend. Raab rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 12:06, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
-Sir,
+== Question ==
-SSA,
+Bhai sahib ji,
+Have part replied on the [[Talk:Gurudwara Amb Sahib]] page; hope this explains a few of the confusing references.
-I have not seen  the Gurdwara Sahib quoted by you but by looking its photo it does not have any resemblence with mandirs as questioned by you. It looks like Fort type .There are many Gurdwaras giving a Fort look.
+Sorry, I failed to address one of your main concerns; the concept of copyright when applied to Sikh art or Sikh history in general is a little bit different from the western stand point; traditional, the promotion of Sikh values is considered more important than copyright and so in the past has always been subservient in this respect. Although some movement has taken place in this respect in recent times, I believe that the modern trend has been very slow in changing attitudes in the public domain.
-Thanks
+So far, I have never come across any copyright legal action in a court of law connected with Sikh art or historical accounts; however, this may change! I do not believe that the artist would be concerned as long as his "copyright notice" is not unduly tampered with. If this notice is tampered with then they would get concerned.
+So the notice is there to "advertise" the artist and so has to remain if we wish to use the image. I believe that if the notice is small then this is acceptable otherwise we should not use the image here at SikhiWiki. I believe that the artists are aware and actively desire that their art is displayed but with the "notice" clearly visible. They would not release an image without the notice as this would then be displayed everywhere without any reference to them - they would not want to take legal action in this field of Sikhi and the domain of the Guru where one is supposed to be unselfish, forgiving and generous!
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+The need to make the characters more muscular (as if on steroids) than real life is a modern trend and does not reflect reality no matter what the diet of these 17th century humans!
-Sir,
+[[Gyani Labh Singh Bhikhi]] article - Yes, the removal of the photos is warranted having flicked through the series of photos - thanks for your keen observation! Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:08, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
-SSA,
+== Talwar ==
-The meaning of Wakafa as questioned by you is 'Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji Ki Fateh'
+Bhai sahib ji,
+Fascinating website showing the extreme skills required to make these excellent weapons; did not know steel was discovered in India; wonderful products produced by a talented craftsman. Many thanks for an enlightening experience. Raab rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 16:39, 18 August 2010 (EDT)
+== Mysticism, History of Sikh Gurus Retold, etc ==
+Bhai Sahib ji,
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+Sorry Bhai Sahib ji, I have read all your interesting messages, taken fair bit of action on some of the issues raised but unfortunately have been running out to time for the last few nights until today. I apologise for the late reply.
-Oct. 2007
+I read the message regarding Mysticism and then went to Wikipedia and did some amendments there; I don't know if those changes will "stick" as the users at Wikipedia have a eager tendency to overwrite things that they are not familiar with themselves.
-== concern ==
+I did some research on the concept of "mysticism" which I had not come across before and I think that although this word has not been used before in connection with Sikhi on this site, it is a concept that applies to Sikhi. As I have not encountered this word myself, I will need to become more acquainted with this concept myself first before more can be written by me. We also need to see if others have written about mysticism and Sikhi; if they have then that can be used as a starting position.
-I am not sure if the article was removed by accident or deliberately. Could you tell me? Due to technical problems over the weekend, I have some pending issues with a few articles as well. I know that these articles cannot be fixed so I am just "re-doing" the work again - Is your problem related to that? [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 17:02, 1 November 2007 (MDT)
+I unable at present to address your question in this respect and will revert to this topic in a few weeks.
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-: I will keep an eye on the article about healing.
-:I don't so much have to check what others did but rather what I did before the system halted so that the content is almost in the same state that it was before the crash. I think we have an acceptable situation now provided we don't suffer any more technical bugs!
+The matter relating to Sikhi and yoga invokes bitterness in traditional Punjabi Sikhs who want to believe that Sikhi has no connection with Yoga. However, when one reads the SGGS, it is clear that the Gurus were familiar with Yoga and supporters of this form of art/skill/therapy.
-:As you say, you become used to the site and one does miss it when it is not available. You are doing a sterling job improving the readability of the articles. I am most grateful for your help - and no, you are not adding to my work. I hope the tilde reappears! If not use the signature button (second from the right) above the edit box Thank you (danyavaad). [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 18:11, 1 November 2007 (MDT)
+'''[http://books.google.com/books?id=qw7-kUkHA_0C&lpg=PP1&dq=Muntakhab%20Ul%20Haqaiq&pg=PA26#v=twopage&q&f=true History of Sikh Gurus Retold: 1469-1606 C.E By Surjit Singh Gandhi]''' Many thanks for the link to this book; indeed it is a valuable resource. I will spent some time reading this book in the next week or so.
-== Pine tree crashed ==
+'''Your wife's video recommendation''' about how Muslims are treated in America was a real eye opener and a very touching encounter towards the end of the video. It is amazing how many "ordinary" people can hold such noble values despite constant media distortions of this minority community. An excellent recommendation; many thanks again. Sorry again and Raab Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:45, 24 August 2010 (EDT)
-I hope all is well. I am disturbed to learn that a tree crashed through your roof. I hope not too much damage was caused and that there was no danger to life or limb. Kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 19:50, 2 November 2007 (MDT)
+== [[Hacienda de Guru Ram Das‎]] and Canada, from a story in al jazeera ==
+Bhai sahib ji,
-Sir,
+Many thanks as always for your valuable input and highly relevant messages; I am most grateful to you. I have looked at the links that you have referred to and I think the 3HO one is correct but the second one for the Sikh Dharma should be just the one link, the second one for this option - giving  two options of 3ho or www.sikhdharmaworldwide.org, in my opinion is not necessary - just have one link for each one - so my suggestion would be that the line should read:
+To learn more about our lifestyle at HGRD, please visit 3HO Foundation [http://www.3ho.org/] and Sikh Dharm [http://www.sikhdharmaworldwide.org/].
-Hope everything is safe and fine with the grace of the Almighty Waheguru.
+'''Canada & immigration:''' Historically there has always been resistance by the Americas to immigration from Asia; however, I think this has slowly changed and perhaps now a reasonable balance has been achieved. Obviously, it is important for the "new" nations to have a seperate identity and this takes time and careful policies. If too much immigration comes from one country, it is possible for the new identity not to develop.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+When too many people from one country are allowed to come to these nations in a short period of time, there is a strong possibility of very strong links to the "father nations" remaining and hence the likelihood of the development of "freedom fighter" whose mindset remains fixed to the "father nation".  Under these conditions, very little or no real development of the new country can take place. It is difficult balance to achieve and so I agree that the slow acceptance of small numbers from the "old world" is necessary to ensure stability and peace in these countries and for the slow assimilation of the ethnic population into the mainstream community.
-India
-Nov 2007
+Canada has faced a difficult time with extremist from Punjab, which I know about and extremists other nations as you mention. So I believe that in theory this apprehension in Canada and other western nations is understandable. However, this policy can also, very easily be used as a cover to discriminate and practise ethnic favouritism (a non destructive and softer version of "ethnic cleansing").
-:30 AM
+Some of these countries, due to large numbers of ethnic populations, do provide safe havens for development of extremist elements as you rightly say; the so-called Khalistan phenomenon is a classical example. I am not against the development of positive political elements in these countries, even if these are associated with the "father nations" but the promotion of violence and the raising of funds to promote violence in these nations is not acceptable.
-== SGGS commemoration and prayers ==
+One hopes that the politicians of these "newer" nations will be aware of these tendencies and take heed from the warnings given by PM of India and others about the potential "time bomb" if these elements are not closely and actively monitored and vigorously restrained.
-My wife and i got to see the quarter million Christmas lights go up on the Sikh Temple in Yuba City a few years ago. Missing the mela this years, SSA  to all. we have photos somewhere[[User:Allenwalla|Allenwalla]] 13:40, 4 November 2007 (MST)
+Bhai sahib ji, Raab rakha, may the Lord's love dwell always in your heart, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 09:52, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
-== Deep ==
-Kindly click [[Baba Deep Singh]]ji, a great worrior, for refference to word Deep.
+==Sajid KHan apologized==
+As you know Sajid KHan apologized for his comments against sikh martial act and he agreed that he did not know much about this tradition.
-SSA
+In second round bir khalsa group again performed and judges commented it brilliant.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNA-kYIxGoM
+([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 09:00, 29 August 2010 (EDT))
-Allenwalla ji,
+== Gatka round 2 and Nourishing Souls ==
-SSA,
+Bhai sahib,
-Thanks for the post but i am sorry i could not reply the right answer.
+Many thank for sharing such a delightful photo presentation; indeed a fitting end to a beautiful weekend when the true message of the Gurus is reflected across the different sections of the globe.
-You are great, Kudos to you for such a minute reading in the interest of Sikhi.You were right in detecting the discrepancy between the two articles as who actually killed Wazir Khan ,Baba Deep Singh or Baba Banda Bahadur. I am forwarding your query to S. Hari Singh ji.
-Thanks.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-Nov 2007
+With His blessings, may the beautiful glory of the Almighty Lord prevail everywhere. I hope that many hearts will have been touched with these pieces of media presentation and their lives will move towards a more spiritual and meaningful existence with focus on a more merciful, humble and sharing life; always remembering the Supreme power. Sada Raab rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 08:29, 30 August 2010 (EDT)
-==information for you==
+PS: Have added these links to the article here : http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Harmandar_Sahib#External_Links
-Who says that Baba deep singh killed Wazir khan. Well if there anything like this written in any of article you are supposed to delete it. Wazir Khan was killed by Banda Singh Bahadur when Banda singh bahadur attacked on sirhind aftermath of killing of Young Sahibzadas of guru gobind singh jee. Banda singh want to destroy Wazir khan and when banda singh attacked sirhind Banda singh was killed over there(its not sure banda singh or any other singh from that fightout killed wazir khan) but the credit goes to Banda Singh Bahadur. and its said Wazir khan was killed with an arrow and when arrow was moving towards wazir khan wazir khan last words was " Oh my god Guru's teer(arrow), from where it comes". Its said that that arrow was shooted by Banda Singh.
-Conclusion Wazir khan was killed when Baba Banda SIngh attacked sirhind i dunno know date or year read from banda singh's article.
+== Amritsar ==
-Baba Deep singh is not et all related with attcking on sirhind he is related with saving the pride of sikhism harimandir sahib when ahmed shah abdali durani attacked amritsar.
+Bhai sahib ji,
-I think your problem is solved know that killing of wazir khan is not et all related to baba dep singh.
+I was working on this article but have moved on to the five sarovars; so please carry on if you need to. I will reply in greater depth a little later as I am still in the middle of several edits on the sarovars articles with picture uploads, etc. So please excuse me for a little while. Bye just for now, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:53, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
-thanks..........[[user:hpt_lucky|Lucky]]
-==Sir tha answer is here==
+Sorry. No, it wasn't a serious problem for me working on the article although as I did not realise, it did give me a "edit conflict notice". On the contrary, I hope I did not cause you too much frustration as I know the system does not allow simultaneous editing. It would be good if the system gave a warning of simultaneous editing when the second person tried to press the edit button! I am sorry, I seem to have caused you some distress.
-* Baron means Misldhar(Sultan ul Quam), '''The Head''' of misl Jassa Singh was head of Ramgarhia Misl. But baron here are cheif of the misl. <br>
-Ya as you know that were british times british also used word baron. you can check wikipedia for mraning of baron you can confuse it with that baron as its title of nobility.
-==You lines on page Gurdwara Patti Sahib in english==
+Thanks for asking; all is well here and I hope that you and your family are also keeping well; I hope you getting a good night's sleep without any disturbance these days. I remember that you mentioned previously that you had been unable to rest properly; I hope that problem has gone away.
-sorry but i have to say that you have made an format to convert every word to english i want to add that the single word of english can be two to three word of punjabi. Especially tow to three words in gurbani form a word of english, Mostly. know want to convert your format in english
+I do not know what the word "inhead" means but as you say it appears in a few articles on this site; I think it must be a slang used in India to signify a person who has cut hair or a 'mona' as you say. [[Mona]] means any person who has short cut hair. I agree with your 'Singh Sahib' as I have never heard of this word as well!
-Line 1
+The word does not have any Punjabi meaning nor can I find it on Google when searched on its own but when searched together with the word 'Sikh' it direct the search to the page [[Mona Sikh]] which explains that this is a shorthand used in Punjab for 'mona' or 'rowdha' which means 'bald' but is also used to refer to a mona. Rabh Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 22:10, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
-'''Sasae''' - 'S' alphabatiocal letter, in punjabi its 'Sassa'.
-'''soi''' - Whole (Soi word start from letter S in punjabi Sassae)
-'''srisht jin saaji''' - 'world' 'who' 'created' (who created the world
-'''Sabhana sahib ek''' - 'all' 'lord' 'one'(One lord of all)
-'''bhaeya''' ... dedicate dto a human here word used bhaeya means brother. Guru nanak is saying human that -  Oh brother.
-Line 2
+==God Sharp Teeth and God is Formless==
-'''Sevat rahe''' - ''Serving'' ''Who''(Who is serving)
+Sir, God does not have Sharp Teeth. When Gurus have to explain attributes of God then at many places in Guru Granth Sahib Gurus made form of Formless God. I Think you have not read what i am trying to convey.
-'''chit''' - Heart, '''jin''' - whose, '''ka laagaa''' -  are devoteed (Heart whose devoteed)
-'''Aaaya''' - coming, '''tin''' - there, '''ka safal''' - is sucessful(Fruitful), '''bhaeya''' - Oh brother. (Fruitful is their coming into the world.)
+In Teeth Matter, Guru Gobind Singh is explaining a Destroyer form of Formless God, and he used word Teeth under which he have taken away many for example Earthquake at Haiti(The Dangerous form of Hukam), Tsunami(Dangerous form of Hukam) etc etc and etc. So Their Guru Gobind SIngh have also mentioned that he is FORMLESS and very clearly mentioned before Bani but Some Anti Gobind SIngh's Bani elements use to quote few lines from inside instead of reading whole content and say before people that GOD is formless and GOd mentioned in Dasam Granth have FORM.
-'''(p. 432)''' - on page 432 of Guru granth Sahib
-I think u understood a bit. Have a happy life Today is Bandi Chorh Divas here we call it Diwali. Wish you a happy diwali. Its festival of winning over evils. [[user:hpt_lucky|Lucky]]
+What i have done is i have taken various examples from Guru Granth Sahib that this is poetic impression which is used in Guru Granth Shaib too to explain attributes of God, and remember these attributes are also formless.
-== Possible Conflict & who kill WK ==
+The Teeth mentioned are also formless and The Mace mentioned in God's Hand in Gurbani is also formless.
-Hi Allenwalla ji,
+Though words are remporal so it makes confusion.
-Thanks for the seasonal greeting. We had a very noisy fun evening; the kid absolutely loved it - hope you too had a fine [[Bandi Chhorh Divas]]. I got your message re non-veg and veg food but could not find the article - do you remember which article had this mistake?
+Basically i am trying to prove that they are using Wrong methodology of condenming and which is not at all perfect and not to believe at all.
-Also I think [[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] is correct when he say that Banda Singh killed Wazir Khan in Sirhind. I believe that you have corrected this error. Thanks for spotting the mistake, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 04:14, 10 November 2007 (MST)
+([[User:Thegreateditor|Editor]] 19:13, 9 September 2010 (EDT))
-== Happy B'Day ==
+== Many thanks for 3 years of very valuable contributions ==
-Allenwalla ji,
+Respected Bhai Sahib ji,
+It is with great respect and honour that I have the pleasure of sending this message to you. Today, 11 September 2007, is the [http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&target=Allenwalla 3 anniversary of your first contribution to SikhiWiki]; over this period you have tirelessly and consistently contributed many thousands and thousands of words of invaluable and priceless facts to this website; your dedication is beyond expression in words. It has been an act of love and commitment.
-Sat Sri Akaal,
+Everyday, without fail you have logged onto SikhiWiki and spent your time without any care of reward or praise or anything else; you have done this as pure [[Seva]] - as an act of labour for the Lord to spread the message of the Gurus. What may surprise some is that you are not born a Sikh but your love for the message of the Gurus has surpassed that which many born in this faith will ever attain. I salute you and your family for the love, endurance and stamina that you have shown.
+Despite many hurdles and objections over the last 3 years, you have focused on the central theme and so have shown me and others how seva should be done. Apart from these humble words, I cannot perform any act to express my respect and my feeling of gratitude for the selfless service that you have performed.
-Sir,
+I pray to the Almighty Lord to grant you all your wishes and desires and may all the world's happiness and joys be with you always; may He give you courage and strength to overcome any difficulty and may you always find peace and tranquillity in your heart. Raab Rakha, your humble fellow colleague at Sikhiwiki, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:43, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
-Many many happy returns of the day from Sikhiwiki team today on 11th Nov.
-Happy B'Day.
+----
+Bhai Sahib ji,
-Sarbjeet Singh, Jammu.
+Many thanks for your kind response. I was saddened to learn that you were not feeling too well a couple of days ago; I hope your health has improved and has taken a decisive turn for the better now.
+You truly have done a fantastic job and I shall always be thankful for your great effort so far. It is a bonus when you say that ''".... each day has been an enjoyable learning experience that has greatly enriched our lives"''. It is really magnificent that you have contributed so much in the 3 years but at the same time you appear to have enjoyed this exercise; it is really magical.
+May the Good Lord keep it that way and may you continue to enjoy this great service and the excellent contribution for many many more years. For both our sakes, I hope I shall be sending you a similar message for this selfless service lasting 30 years in 27 years time!
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+You may know that the software was set-up by Bhai Gurumustuk Singh of Sikhnet but in the initial period there was little input from the wider audience; anyway, that is history, it appears that we now get a million "hits" a month which is beyond my initial expectations. Many, many thanks again to you both - including Bhabiji as well. Rab Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 13:49, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
+== Nadar ==
-Nov. 2007
+Bhai sahib ji
+Many thanks for the message - the article will come later but just a taster for the definition of the word "Nadar" in this amazing paper - Sorry it is a bit long but I hope you will like it, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
-Sir, Please see talk pages for your answers.Thanks
+===Dr. Jaswant Singh Neki: Conversation with a Polymath ===
+From Sikh Review '''RAVINDER SINGH TANEJA* ''' * 6172 Commonwealth Dr., Westerville OH 43082. Email: [email protected].com
+A MAN OF MANY DIMENSIONS and diverse accomplishments, Dr Jaswant Singh Neki is a veritable polymath and a Renaissance man in our midst. At 84 years young, he remains a visible and active presence in Sikh affairs - one of the few public intellectuals that the Sikhs can claim.
-Sarbjeet Singh
+Trained as a physician, most of us know him in his avatar as a man of medicine – psychiatrist, public health policy expert, Department Head at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS), Delhi, and Director of the Post Graduate Institute (PGI), Chandigarh. He also found time to serve in East Africa as advisor to the World Health Organization.
+But we don't always connect Dr J.S. Neki, the medical man, with Neki, the award winning poet. Few of us know that his first published poem - in praise of Guru Gobind Singh Ji written in Braj Basha – appeared in the Khalsa Samachar way back in 1937, when he was barely twelve years old. Awarded the Sahitya Akademi award in 1978 for his work: "Karuna Di Chhuh Ton Magron", he has over a dozen published collections of poetry, beginning with: “Asle to Ohle Tak” in 1955 through the ground breaking autobiographical: "Koi Naon Na Jane Mera" in 2000.
-Nov 2007
+====Gurbani Exegesis: ====
+He is also a distinguished scholar of Sikhi with a prolific output – in English and Punjabi. His works include the classic “Ardaas: Darshan Roop Te Abhiyas,” an exposition of Sikh congregational prayer; Sada Vigas, a profoundly original interpretation of Gurbani; Achetan di Leela, a psychological perspective on Gurmat; Divine Intimations, an English translation of [[Nitnem]] in verse; Prophet of Devotion, the life of Guru Angad; Pilgrimage to Hemkunt, a coffee table travelogue, Punjabi Haas Vilas, a book on Punjabi humour - and other works.
+Dr. Neki is also an invaluable original source for anyone interested in Sikh history. Since his days as the President of the All India Sikh Students Federation, in 1949, to his present role as advisor to the Dharam Prachar Committee, SGPC, and General Secretary of the Bhai Vir Singh Sadan, New Delhi, he has been an active witness and participant in contemporary Sikh affairs, with a first-hand knowledge and acquaintance with the Who‟s Who of the Sikh world.
-Sir,
+Although I have known him over the years, our meetings have been intermittent and far between, usually in social settings that are not always conducive to the kind of systematic exploration of his thought and outlook that I wished to record.
+His recent presence in Columbus, Ohio, (USA) gave me that opportunity. Over a couple of extended private conversations and a Sikhi workshop organized by the local Sangat, we explored the entire range of Sikh experience, covering the gamut from the implication of being a Sikh, Sikh belief and practice, the current state of Sikh Institutions and the challenge of moral and ethical issues stemming from technology. In the process, I also got a glimpse of the defining events in his life.
-SSA,
+Dr Neki would rank high on my list of individuals that I would want to invite home for an evening of scintillating conversation. He has a certain gravitas about him (not surprising in one devoted to literary and scholarly pursuits), but wears it lightly. He can expound on abstruse philosophical concepts, but always with a touch of humour and with an open mind. He is a raconteur extraordinaire, and can hold you spell-bound with stories and anecdotes; or have you in peals of laughter with jokes – all used with great effect to put his point across.
+====Porous Boundaries:====
+Jaswant Singh Neki became the first “born Sikh” in his family in 1925. Religious boundaries between Hindu and Sikh were rather porous then, unlike the hardened walls that we witness today. It was not uncommon for Punjabi families to straddle what can be termed “mixed identities.” So it was with Dr Neki‟s family.
-Thanks for more information on Moti Mahal but please add it yourself at the article page as i like your editing.
+“Expect the Unexpected” would be an apt header for any narration of Dr Neki‟s life. Hearing him recount the sheer number of coincidences – or synchronicities, if you will – that have shaped the course of his life is nothing short of miraculous. I share a few of them, not so much to chronicle his life but to view these events from a Sikh perspective.
-Thanks
+The partition of India in 1947 found the young Jaswant Singh - then a medical student in Lahore – down and out in Amritsar where he had made his way. Cut off from family, homeless and penniless, he faced an uncertain future.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+A series of baffling synchronicities saw him through.
-Nov 2007
+First, a generous landlord, moved by his plight, offers him a room - rent to be paid when able. Just then, he chances upon the old canteen manager from Lahore, now a food stall owner in Amritsar. Free meals become available.
-== nazarana ==
+But most remarkably, a windfall from the most unexpected – and unknown – source solves Jaswant Singh‟s money problem, at least temporarily, enabling him to complete his medical education.
+Wandering aimlessly around town one evening, concerned about money, he heard a voice summon him – out of the blue. It was an old Sikh, a total stranger, who approached him with a proposition: “I have two thousand rupees on me. Can I entrust them to you for safekeeping?” he asked. “No,” Jaswant Singh responded, adding, “I am in desperate need and will be tempted to use the money.”
-The word "nazar" means "sight", "view" or "darshan" - "blessing of the presence" of a respected person. So "nazarana" was a gift or money given to powerful people as a gift for just seeing them or for "having the sight of a great person". However, sometimes it was also levied as a "tax" under compulsion! - I not sure which one it was in this case - As a Sikh one hopes the first one as a voluntary gift! Hope this help. Regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 19:15, 20 November 2007 (MST)
+The old Sikh insisted, “and isn't that what money is for – to spend?”
+Overcome by the moment, an immensely relieved Jaswant Singh took the money, but failed to ask about the old man‟s identity or whereabouts, or where he could return it.
-==Is the word nazarana or nazar==
+Now fast-forward to about a year later. Dr Neki, now a junior house physician, finds himself the beneficiary of a retroactive pay raise, with the arrears to be paid in a lump sum. His share: a princely two thousand and ten rupees!
-both words have different meanings nazar means sight as told by hari singh. but nazarana means ''a gift''.....[[user:hpt_lucky|Lucky]]
+Happy at the windfall, he plans to dine out. No sooner does he step outside, that the same voice – the one that had summoned him a year ago – rang in his ears. It was the old Sikh again, back to claim his money.
+Sometime later, Dr Neki found himself in a similar predicament – yet, again. Now a Demonstrator at Christian Medical College, Ludhiana, he had a run in with the Principal
-Gud Mng Sir,
+over a day‟s personal leave that he needed to attend to an ailing grandmother. The Principal‟s intransigence led him to resign in a fit of anger.
-Wakafa,
+====A Mystical Encounter: ====
-Thanks for the message,
+Jobless again, he found himself wandering aimlessly – on the streets of Ludhiana this time - regretting his hasty decision. Sure enough, he had another inexplicable encounter.
-The half hour difference is between India and Pakistan,since Jammu is situated at the border the time at the other side is having a difference of 30 minutes.
-Will be back to u at evening.
+As he walked, an old man, a Sikh, who was selling his wares on the street, waved to him, saying, “Don't worry about your job; you have three offers coming.” Dr Neki, needless to say, was incredulous.
-Thanks.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-Anyway sir please check Moti Mahal and make necessary edits. Belated wishes to you and all for Thanksgiving day from all of us. Tomorrow is the B'day of Baba Nanak,we all r celebrting it.
-Thanks
-Sarbjeet Singh,Jammu,India,23 nov 2007
-== Meaning ==
-Allenwalla ji,
-Wakafa,
-Jammu is named after Raja Jambulochan.It was Jambu slowly slowly it turned to Jammu.
+No sooner did he arrive home than he found two job offers waiting for him. One was from an old class mate, an industrialist, looking for a medical officer to run a Clinic for his workers. The other was from S. Hukam Singh, the erstwhile Speaker of Parliament, offering him an editorial position on his newly founded Weekly: ‘The Spokesman’.
-Kashmir is named after a Rishi,his name was Kashyap rishi,slowly it also turned to Kashmir.
-About Lahore and Poonch i have no knowledge about their name meaning,may be other users can answer better.
+What, I asked Dr Neki, was his reaction? He turned to me with a smile and said, “The old man had made three offers; where is the third, I thought?” The third offer arrived the same night, via a telegram from the Medical College, Amritsar.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+His marriage to the daughter of his Professor at Medical School, his appointment as PGI Director and assignment as Consultant to the WHO – all followed a similar fortuitous pattern.
-Nov 2007
+Dr Neki shared these - and other – events from his life to illustrate the point we happened to be discussing from Malcolm Gladwell's book, The Outliers, that successful and accomplished individuals are not propelled by genius and talent alone; they also rise on a tide of advantages, “some deserved, some not, some earned, some just plain lucky.”
-== Mata Jito ji/ Mata Sundri ji ==
+Dr Neki described the “lucky breaks” in his life - in Gurmat parlance - as '''Nadar''', or God‟s Grace. “Rabb aap aaya si” (God came Himself) he said.
-Thanks for the message regarding the mainpage - The history regarding the wife or wives of Guru Gobind Singh still remain unresolved - Original history recorded 2 wives but this was later corrected due to the misunderstanding and incorrect recording by the non-Sikh historians.
+====Grace Abounding: ====
-However, due to this confusion, all the material facts have not been property resolved including these dates - It will take a little time to resolve this one.
+Ascribing success and accomplishment to '''Nadar''' may be the humility of a Sikh, but surely, '''Nadar''' shines randomly on all of us. Why, then, do some of us appear to connect better with the flow of '''Nadar'''? Why do these coincidences – synchronicities – appear more pronounced in some lives than others?
-Original non-Sikh historians recorded that the young Sahibzade were the sons of Mata Jito ji who died in 1700 while I believe (not sure) that the older were the sons of Mata Sundri who survived GGS by many years. However, when it was realised that Mita Jito & Mata Sundri were the same, it created problems with some of the records. It is clear that these records have not been properly resolved and reconciled with known facts.
+While I don't have the answer, I can offer a tentative explanation. The title of Dr Neki‟s translation of the Nitnem (Divine Intimations) offers a clue. These are sure signs of the Divine working in our everyday, mundane lives.
-This raises questions about why Mata Jito/Mat Sundri was not with the young Sahibzade on evacuation from Anandpur sahib?
+While Nadar may open doors, and talent may provide the raw material, it takes hard work, discipline, persistence and perseverance to run leading medical institutions with distinction, stay actively engaged in Sikh affairs, and turn out literary and scholarly output of a high order over a long period of time.
-I will try and resolve this soon, regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 06:19, 27 November 2007 (MST)
+There is no room for idlers in Sikhi. Honest effort (udyam) is foundational to a Sikh's life and I got a glimpse of this in observing Dr Neki's punishing schedule in Columbus, OH, even when on a holiday – he was up at 2 AM, did his Nitnem and then settled down to writing for the rest of the day, yet greeting intrusions like mine with cheer.
-== Adding photos ==
+It was obvious that the discipline and structure had been cultivated and honed over a lifetime.
-Hi Allenwalla ji
+Dr Neki's eclectic and holistic approach to Sikh scholarship was shaped early on by the influence of his grandfather, a man of learning with an abiding interest in Holy Gurbani, and later, in Amritsar, by iconic figures of Sikh scholarship - Professor Sahib Singh, Bhai Jodh Singh and Principal Teja Singh, with whom he had regular contact.
-Adding photos is technically pretty easy. Before you can use a photo, you must first either have the photo on your computer or you need to download it from the net. Please be careful to observe copyright and acknowledge use from other Sikhi websites. Most Sikhi sites including SikhSangat.org should have no problem with using their images on SikhiWiki as we are a site for 'learning about Sikhi'. However, always acknowledge their pictures when you upload them and send an email to the webmaster at the Sikhi site to inform them of the use after you have managed to get the picture to work on SikhiWiki! I would not use images from non-Sikhi sites without explicit permission from the webmaster first.
+An incident Dr Neki narrated that involved these three stalwarts is worth narrating because it highlights the mutual respect and camaraderie that they shared, but also because they left a lasting impression on Dr Neki that influences his thinking ever since.
-. To download from net, right click on the picture & then "save image". Place the picture in a safe known folder on your computer.
-. Then you will need to upload the picture to SikhiWiki, using the upload link in the bottom left panel of SikhiWiki.  [http://www.sikhiwiki.org/flashdemos/Images%20and%20external%20links.htm Please watch this tutorial first.]
-. You will then need to display the picture in your article. This is also in the above tutorial but also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents/Images_and_media look at this section on Wikipedia]
-Please upload the Gardner picture to SikhiWiki and I will have a look at this or give me a url of the article. I hope this helps. Thanks, das [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 19:26, 5 December 2007 (MST)
-::Thanks for your offer of help with photos - I will bear that in mind when I need improvement of photos. I have looked at the Sikh Sangat site and in the second picture, yes I see the RSS in the background. It is strange to find this on such a picture! Thanks for bring this to my attention. I have added the first pic to the article just to demonstrate the technique. Please remove it if you wish. Keep up the great work. Das, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 06:03, 6 December 2007 (MST)
-::::It was a pleasure to be of help. I have seen the photo - it looks great especially without the RSS. Like most things with the wiki language, it becomes simple once you have done it once. Great work! das, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 15:40, 8 December 2007 (MST)
-== Great Work ==
-Allenwalla ji,
-SSA,
-You have been answered by Sir Hari Singh ji. You are doing a great work on Sikhiwiki.So nice to see it and your latest offer about Photos.
-Thanks.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-Jammu 07 Dec 2007
-== Getting permission ==
-Rediff.com is a very large organisation and I suspect that you will not get a response to your email. I would suggest that you email: [email protected], use the image with a sign "courtesy: Rediff.com". And await a response from the organisation. Also on the upload page put the exact url of where you have uploaded the page from and the statement:
-On mm/dd/2007: Email sent asking permission; awaiting formal permission for use of this image; at present this image is being used under the "fair use policy".
-I think this should be sufficient. If and when you get a response to your email, deal as appropriate.
-Although presently Kutha is translated to Halaal meat, I have a feeling that may not be correct. The process involved in Halal meat is the slow killing and the reading of sacred text. A Sikh cannot object to the sacred text because our Gurus have correctly told us: ''"Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false"'' (p1350) - so the objection can be to the slowing killing only. The result of slow killing is a lot of pain and then death.
-I have read that even when a person is hanged, they suffer for many minutes before they die; apparently when you stop the blood to the brain, the brain still has feelings for a few minute before it dies.
-A Sikh is against causing pain to another being - so it is up to the individual to decide how far they are prepared to go. The sakhi of [[Bhagat Sadhna]] is very revelling with regards to the long term (over life-cycles) aspect of this cruel practise.
-I am glad that you have started on the path of vegetarianism - It is a clear sign that you care for others -even "mere" animals and also that you fear God! But I know that old habits are difficult to overcome. I am told by my parents that I stopped eating meat at the age of about 6 year after visiting a holy shrine and talking to the priests there. Many thanks goes to the priests there who at an early age were able to influence me; perhaps if I had not met them, I would have been the cause of many thousands of additional deaths on earth.
-Most spiritually aware Sikhs, who have a full understanding of Gurbani and live the way of the Gurus advocate not eating meat. I like the quotation of Walden:
-"Every creature is better alive than dead, men and moose and pine trees, and he who understands it aright will rather preserve its life than destroy it."
-Many thanks, das, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 10:10, 9 December 2007 (MST)
-== Meaning ==
-)
-Bisreo:Forgotten,
-Akaarath:Useless,
-Birdh:Old,
-Patit:Sinner,
-Neh:Love,
-Durmat:Evil-minded,
-Nis:Night,
-Bhae:Fear,
-Mithya:False,
-Upavanhaar:Creator,
-Roore:Beauteous,
-Amoli:Priceless,
-Apaar:Infinite
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-)
-Jehba : Tongue    2b  "Mohan Ghar Aavo, Haun Karon Jodariya/Mohan = God /Ghar - home/aavo - come/return Haun/we Karon-do/Jodaria- With folded hands
-Garab : Pride
-Chhin : Instant
-Jag : World
-Thir : Permanent
-Karan : Ears
-)
-Trishna: Thirst
-Bujhe:Quenched
-Mal:Filth,rubbish
-Sarab:All
-Nidhan:Treasures
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-== amending article with copyright notice ==
-SSA,
-Further to your last message regarding chakkar - Its a pleasure to be of help. We are true to our nature as Sikhs - learning all the time!
-Regarding amending articles with copyright notice - Please do not worry about this notice if you are doing typo or grammatical or layout or improvement in English changes to the article. Just dive in and do it.
+Professor Sahib Singh had been invited to preside over an event organized by the AISSF. Sahib Singh demurred, explaining that he was pressed for time. He was then completing his seminal work on Gurbani Vyakaran (grammar) “A lot of what he said about Vyakaran went right over my head,” Dr Neki told me with a laugh.
+But Sahib Singh suggested Bhai Jodh Singh as an alternative, “Bhai Jodh Singh noon kyon nahin puchda?” (Why done you ask Bhai Jodh Singh?) Bhai Jodh Singh, it turned out, had a prior commitment and suggested Sahib Singh instead, “Sahib Singh hora noon kyon nahin puchda?” (Why done you ask Sahib Singh?)
-Gurumustuk is the software/technical guru on SikhiWiki and webmaster of Sikhnet. He maintains our computers and the software system. The note about the password is worrying. Please keep a lookout on the system to see if someone is trying to use your user name. It should not happen but we need to be vigilant. Hopefully it was just a glitch in the system and nothing will happen but we need to be observant.
+When told that Sahib Singh could not make it, he solicited Bhai Jodh Singh view about the importance of grammar in understanding Gurbani. Bhai Jodh Singh responded with a "chicken and egg" question of his own, “kaka, mainu eh das, grammar pehlon aayi see keh language?” (Son, tell me this, what came first - grammar or language?)
-Many thanks for your concerted effort.
+====Experiencing The Divinity: ====
-Regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 14:17, 14 December 2007 (MST)
+Professor Teja Singh agreed to preside over the event. His response to the grammar and language question is a gem - in my opinion. Conceding that both Sahib Singh and Jodh Singh were more learned than he, Teja Singh agreed that both grammar and meaning (language) were important, but the true import of Gurbani rested on personal experience as well. “Mere NaloN siyaneh neh, par anubhav zaruri hai.” (They are more wiser than me, but "anubhav" (intuition) is necessary) That alone will lead to the Transcendent.
-== Parkash ==
-Parkash of Guru Saheb is performed at every Gurudwara of the world at early morning time ,this time is called Amrit bela or Bhelke.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-Jammu J&K
-Dec 2007
-== Merry X-Mas ==
-Allenwalla ji,
-Satsriakal,
-Merry X-Mas to all of you from Sikhiwiki team.
-May the Almighty Waheguru fulfil all ur dreams.
-Thru
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-Dec 2007
-== Meaning (B) ==
-Reeta : lifestyle
-khin : instant
-udhari: rescue
-kot: millions
-nistare : find release
-oat : support
-Balihari : sacrifice
-parharai : removes
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] Jammu
-==Your Translation==
-'''JITHE JAAYE BAHE MERA SATGURU SO THAAN SUHAVA RAAM RAAJE'''
-JITHE - Where<br>
-JAAYE - Go<br>
-BAHE - Sit<br>
-MERA - My<br>
-SATGURU - True Guru<br>
-SO - That<br>
-THAAN - Place<br>
-SUHAVA - Pure/Fortunate<br>
-RAAM RAAJE - God's Grace<br>(Not too sure)
-KNow i think know you can understand the meaning of whole lines.
-It means where my true Guru will go and sit that place becomes pure.
-Like our [[Guru Granth Sahib]] where he's kept that place is pure, Where he goes that place becomes pure.
-I cant explain you fully in english sorry por english. Enjoy life and yes happy new year to you two..............[[user:hpt_lucky]]
-== Happy New Year 2008 ==
-R/Sir,
-Happy New Year 2008.
-May new year brings lot of happiness,joy,health and prosperity.
-Sarbjeet Singh,
+In speaking of a Sikh's engagement with the Guru Granth Sahib, Dr Neki sounded a similar note of caution. There are multiple senses in Gurbani, and we can get caught up in the literal or allegorical but miss the anagogical. The mode of communication that the Guru‟s have employed, Poetry, is not meant to be informational only - but transformational as well. Poetry is letting the WORD be heard beyond the literal meaning of the textual words.
-Jammu.
+Gurbani must not just be read and understood but “ingested”, which involves assimilation and absorption.
+It is this natural amalgamation of science and poetry, of combining metaphor and analogy – of multiple senses and ways of looking at Reality – that is so visible in Dr Neki's work, and gives it a beauty and transcendence that can be transporting. An example from Sada Vigas comes to mind.
--12-2007
+====Link with the Spirit:====
+In an essay on the different dimensions of transcendence (Paramatma Da Deedar), Dr Neki uses the reproductive process as an illustration of transcending oneself (Haumai) in an exquisitely poetic way: the metaphor of a delirious lover used for the male sperm; its wiggling tail as a sign of its delight in finding the beloved female egg, and in the ultimate loss of a separate sense of self that results from the union.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+While such a fruitful combination of the scientific and poetic outlook within an individual - like Dr Neki - may be deemed '''Nadar''', it is nonetheless, an attitude that one needs to consciously cultivate.
-== Home page layout ==
+This fusion of science and poetry is a necessary framework to understand Sikhi in our current context. The two are not quite as apart as we have been led to believe. I found the following quote from the Scientific Activist very apt: “A scientist is an empirical poet and a poet is a scientist of more imaginative and creative hypotheses.” A Sikh's life must be at once musical, mathematically precise and poetic.
-Hi Allenwalla
+My purpose in capturing and recording these conversations goes beyond a personal desire to share vignettes from the life of a multi faceted personality and a much admired role model.
-I am in India at present so have limited access to the Internet but I have corrected the layout of the mainpage - I hope it is now correct or nearly correct. I will be back in the UK on 15th and will iron out any minor problems then. Many thanks for your continued effort. [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 08:11, 4 January 2008 (MST)
+Dr Neki is an important literary figure in his own right and a living link to many iconic figures in our recent history as well as an active participant in shaping our community.
-== Namdhari ==
+There is a compelling need to maintain that link to our past by cultivating the habit of recording, documenting and archiving – of not neglecting – individuals like Dr Jaswant Singh Neki while they are still in our midst.
+I have attempted to capture a bit of oral history which I believe is just as significant as the written tradition in keeping our past alive. These recordings are bits and bytes of our larger history.
-SSA sir,
+==Third Killer Performance==
+Bir Khalsa Group Third Killer Group. Sajid Comment that now he believe that KHalsa have power to stand before lakhs.
-Someone has deleted some important lines from the article Namdhari.The article has a tag on it'Please dont amend the article'So i have reverted the changes.connectivity is still poor here. Thanks
+http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYxeE8XKrw
+== Nadar, universe and other things ==
-Sarbjeet Singh,
+Bhai Sahib ji
-Kathua
+It was amazing how "Good luck" appears from nowhere when it is most needed as it did for Dr Neki! I am glad you enjoyed this article about him.
-th Jan 2008
-==Sat Shri Akaal Mr. Allen==
+No, I am not familiar with the Burningman event but know a little about the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and also the "Dr Who" series which was a popular old science fiction TV serial which I used to watch when at school & college.
-A question was asked ''Also what is the translation for ( Haqiqat Rah Maqam), please?''
-Well i am also finding the meaning of it, well i am a punjabi and these three words Haqiqat, Rah & Mauqam is also used in punjabi language, Haqiqat means Truth, Rah means Way, Maqam Means Destination or something reached at end we say that mauqam par puj gaya.
+Preceding [[Diwali]] there is an event where an effigy of "Ravan" is burnt in a huge bonfire (Diwali being a Hindu celebration of Rama defeating Ravan, rescuing Sita and returning home triumphantly); I recall this from my distant memory of events in Kenya when all our community religious events were celebrated together with all other members of the community; so we all, despite our different religions took part in every Sikh, Hindu and Muslim celebrations.
-""Truth Way Destination"". Raja Shivnabh's Way to destination i.e truth or simply Raja Shivnabh's way to truth.
+We have not watched the film "My Name is Khan" but the custom of burning the corpse outside in the open covered with wood is still common place in India. I have seen clips of the movie and understand the general message that it is trying to convey! It is normally just a few in the community who spoil it for the rest!
-But if its another in persion arabic or sanskrit language then i think i dunno know
+As you say, not too many Westerns will see this movie and so many of the shortcomings will not be noticed even by ethnic American! Also, due to the huge size of the USA, not many will understand the significance of these landmarks and their exact locations.
-== Team ==
+I did visited San Francisco and CA in 1995; I found the folks there generally appeared to be in a "big rush" all the time! I hope that has changed now!
-SSA,
+Khan is a great actor and its is not surprising that you found his performance "remarkable". I find that he can very easily convince the audience about any role that he chooses to perform - a huge natural talent; Kajol too is our favourite as well - she always appears to be a happy and positive personality! An excellent actress!
-Now you are also in the team who spend time on articles.We the team members have not met each other. Any one can join this team. It depends on his interest.
+No, please - thanks for sharing - it is the mundane things that makes life interesting and meaningful.  As you say, just like Mr Khan, many people in life can only see - black or white - in so doing they miss out on the full colours of the rainbow!
-Many users edit articles but we are regular users. Rembr you are a part of the team.
-Samarak is a structure built in the memory of someone.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-Jan 2008
-Sir Gud Mng and SSA
-.00Am
-==Sat Shri Akaal==
+'''File:Sant-Jarnail-aw.jpg''' - I hope I have removed the correct unwanted images.  Many thanks, Raab Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 09:30, 20 September 2010 (EDT)
-'''SSA, could you help with translations of
+----
-) Patal peti ujjal danti, marwarn lai se aa, lda taro moria rangoon.
-The above is a line of labanki dielect i do not know the meaning or translation of above line i can understand a bit but not sure even hari singh sarabjit or Gurmustak singh even do not know. Well I am a Labana Sikh but till now i am not able to learn my dialect as nobuddy speaks it. This dialect speak by some rajisthani labana sikhs. In punjab this dielect is totally finished
-) Supdaa - CHajj -> [http://www.icarda.org/ICARDA_photogallery/Wheat/ICARDC5.jpg winnowing basket].<br>
+Bhai sahib ji,
-Kasumbha - Foll(flower) -> Safflower <br>
-Khrot - Aata -> Flour
-These three are words of lobanki dialect which told by my grandmother when she was alive.
-[[user:hpt_lucky]]
+Please review the article on [[Nadar]]. I hope you will like it. Please feel free to amend as you regard necessary. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 15:43, 21 September 2010 (EDT)
-==Sat Shri Akaal==
+== Gurdwara Pathar sahib ==
-I will find the meanings of thse words shortly as our sncestors lives in Hoshiarpur which is Labana Rich area they will definately know the meanings of those words but youth like us especially labana huh impossible. Ya i am author i copied that line from the website whose administrator even do not know meaning of that. sorry [[user:hpt_lucky]]
-== Gud mng ==
+Bhai sahib ji,
-Sir, SSA,
+Sat Sri Akaal ji, Many thanks for your message and the link to what looks like a very comprehensive article; many thanks again - I will read it over the weekend.
-Gud mng,lookin 4 the proper meaning.I couldnt check ur other queries on talk pages as well as yesterday wiki was unavailable here.
-jan 2008
+I hope you had a great time in the Bay Area and that all is well with bhabiji's mother; obviously a popular area with a bonus of a few Sikhi connections as well.
+I have not looked at the directions given in the above article; I believe that sarbjeet may have started the article and as he lives in J & K it may be he has done a 'cut and paste' from some other article. The name should not be in all capitals; this is probably due to the 'cut & paste' exercise used! At some point I hope I will get a 'software robot' which I think is called a 'bot' to do these tidying-up exercises; I need to sharpen up my programming skills!
-so nice 2 hear 4m u again. In Gurbani Neh means love (See s.n 27, on ur this page ) i was lookin 4 other meanings. But thanks 4 this message.I'll stop.
+Bhai sahib, Leh does have an airport according to http://www.skyscanner.net/airports/ixl/leh-airport.html. Also again with the help of the miracle of Google search, it appears that flights from Delhi to Leh do exist as per the link: http://www.mapsofindia.com/flight-schedule/delhi-leh.html
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 12 jan 2008
-Read sir, enjoyed this gud article.
+Delhi to Jammu also has flights as displayed here - http://www.mapsofindia.com/flight-schedule/delhi-jammu.html
-jan 2008
+I believe that Sarbjeet is more likely to know - I will send him a message if required after I have had a look at the article myself later.
-:46 AM
-==Allenwala Jee==
+'''taposthan''' - 'tapo' - meditate/endurance/penance/worship; and  'asthan' - place/building/shrine. So the place where meditation/worship took place - place of worship/meditation
-Actually these are not the tests, due to poor vocab i used that word, these are just kind of tricks by Baba Nanak to his disciple and he was watching that how disciple & Sons reacts and you must read some of the reactions by bhai lehna(Guru Angad Dev)in my Ullu'ed english. Sorry the english is so poor no care in tenses(Present past future, perfect etc). poor vocab. Poor sentence formation.
-I tried to met Mr. Hari Singh, He stayed in my city for 4 days but i was out of station and when i came back, i again went out of my place to my cousins, and due to lack of two wheeler(I cant drive four wheelers), i was not able too met him.  Know tomarrow i will go to his vill. to meet him. Lets see what happens
+I hope that help. Kind regards and may the Lord's blessings be with you always, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 09:59, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
-[[user:hpt_lucky]]
+----
+Further and thanks to your link, I have written this article - [[On this platter are these things]] based on the editorial piece in the pdf file. I have changed the initial setting from 2004 to 2008 as this is likely to still be in the minds of readers! Regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 21:12, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
-==Allen Wala==
+== [[Never beg from others]] and more ==
-[[Dalit - Sikh Panth De Rakhae]], i chat with [[user:paapi]] on said article he told me that there is just the criticism of the book in that article. It donot tell what is in the book. So view the article again. its just criticism...[[user:hpt_lucky]]
-Well one more thing i want to share if you ask a punjabi what is allenwala, he will reply, ALLENWALA is some human belongs to village or city Allen. Because when we pronounce it it sounds as ''Allen wala'' and like Kapdey wala(Washer Man- Belongs to washing clothes), Mohali Wala(Who belongs to mohali city. ). So Allen wala means belongs to some city village Allen or A man related to allen. "Wala" is mis pronounciation.
+{{p|File:Golden-temple-and-ten-sikh-gurus.jpg|picture similar to the one in the video}}
+Bhai sahib ji,
-==LOHRI==
+Many thanks for the work on the above article; I have read it and it sounds great. You have done an excellent job as always. You are also correct about the sadhus - you don't find them in Gurdwaras.
+Because these days they are after money and food is normally just an excuse to get "their foot in" - once you start entertaining them, they will find your weaknesses and then the "extraction" mode kicks in.
-Sir,
+Unfortunately, a lot of Sikh "priests" and "gyanis" have also joined the act and go door to door asking for donations for fictitious events like "eye camp" or langar or mass weddings of poor brides, etc in India. Hopefully, the article will give some 'Gurbani base' to challenge these folks!
-SSA,
+Bhai sahib, the elders were referred to as the "presidents" of the jatha (group) in the video and the picture is of the Golden Temple being blessed by the 10 Sikh Gurus; The Guru Granth Sahib is symbolically in the temple and so is not included at the top although I have seen pictures with the holy granth in a second row at the top.
-A Good article by you on Lohri, but i have deleted some lines, sorry for it as Lohri is a Indian Festival and not related with sikhs.Sikhs participate in it as a cultural and weather related phenomenon.Anyhow ur work is appreciateable as with photo the article has got better look.Thanks
+The picture presented was like the one I have copied here in this reply; I will try and see if I can get a print locally - I will keep you posted on how I get on in my search for a picture similar to one seen in the video. Many thanks again. Raab Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 00:54, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-==O SirJee==
+==They want to Probe Nanak a Muslim==
+Nanak was a Muslim, but was Muslim by heart acc. to Nanak Muslim is Imaan wala which means Honest. Nanak was Honest about his faith. he was not some circumcized person who believe god in mecca only and believe in ritual and rites.
-My name is Lucky(nICK) and hpt IS HARPREET is my basis. as my emails and chat id's contain HPTLUCKY
+Guru Granth Sahib's Subject is WHAT IS THAT ONE? This is not at all concept in Quran. Quran do have attributes of God but the explanation of Spirituality is explained in Gurmat only. What is god, what it does, how it does, hwhat is spirit, what spirit makes what it is make of what spirit have to do to merge in supreme commans etc. whole spirituals topics are concerned with Sikhism or you can say directly explained in easy language by Gurus.
-== Akhnoor ==
+many religion try to explain something in stories, but people became followers of story rather then following the concept.
-I have written the article of my own. As its 45 minutes journey from Jammu city , i have visited their many times. Its my pleasure you liked the contents. I am sorry that i cudnt arrange the contents in a r8 way so i m requesting you to kindly rearrange the contents by editing.[The gurdwara is called 'Tapo Asthan Sant Baba Sunder Singh Jii Alibegh'] I wud love to see you editing [[Akhnoor]].Thanks[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 19 Jan 2008
+) Nanak turned Mecca, it does not mean Nanak revolved whole mecca city, MECCA is attributed as MIND in Guru Granth Shaib. Mecca Turn means Their Mind turns, their wrong thinkings about god turns. Similarly namdev turned Temple means Namdev's Mind turned toward God. NANAK explanation of Allah turned MECCA of Muslims(not outer mecca). Now this thing became popularize and people started thinking that NANAk turned whole Mecca city with his feet.
-== Meaning C ==
+) Nanak did Vichar with all high class people, he very less did parchar in normal people, reason being, common people will not able to listen against rituals, shiva vishnu etc. So you could check his bani which contains discussion with high grade people. The terminology which are used in Bani are basically a scholarly terminology, normal people not able to understand it DIRECTLY, ya if they have read meanings in their understandable form only they could undertsand message.
-Rut : Season
+Why Nanak did vichar with high class people? because if they willcome on way the other class people who are actually followers of preachings by high class people also started way of God. Guru Angad sahib was one who started preaching in common people.
+So the discussion was between technical people not like these people who are just studying history without studying what Gurmat says , what islam says,w hwre is the differences.
-Saras : Delightful, blissful
+So better to study gurbani ourselves, to improve ourselves, to find god ourselves, to merge innaam ourselves. NANAK will not come again to teach all this thats why he left BANI, to study the way, to kill wrong intentions to kill Mind and heart's illusion and way to God.
+These people who wrote such articles haven't studied islam properly, don't know why they touch other religions.
-Murat : Form
+Only In Sikh scriptures HINDU and ISLAM dharma is opened fully and their do and don'ts are better explained, which if preached in world then people will gonna die OH WHAT THIS GRANTH IS SAYING, this is not Good granth. So these are just fake articles.
+Check more such things:
-Gat : State
+* http://aaiil.org/urdu/books/others/aaiil/hazratbabananakkamazhab/hazratbabananakkamazhab.shtml
+* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2aEgRhqmP0 <--------- Video from Ahmeddiya, claiming nanak muslim
+* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiMixnfMuOc <-------- This BR Imran clearly said that NANAk never went to mecca.
+Take Care
+([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 18:00, 7 October 2010 (EDT))
-Salahe : Praise
+== [[Lala Lajpat Rai]] ==
+Bhai Sahib ji, Sat Sri Akaal,
-Balahari : Sacrifice
+Many thanks for your message. I have done a quick almost word by word translation - Please see if it makes sense?
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+ਸਾਈਮਨ  ਕਮੀਸ਼ਨ           ਦੇ     ਲਹੌਰ     ਪ੝ੱਜਣ   ਤੋਂ     ਪੰਜ  ਹਫਤੇ  ਪਿਛੋਂ      ਹੀ, <br>
+Simon   Commission's  day  Lahore  pujan  toh panj  hafta  pecho hee,<br>
+Just five weeks after the Simon commission got to Lahore,<br><br>
-== Baba Deep Singh ==
+ਲਾਲਾ   ਲਾਜਪਤ   ਰਾਇ   ਦੀ,   ਦਿਲ  ਦੀ   ਧਾਪ    ਬੰਦ      ਹੋਣ      ਕਾਰਣ,<br>
+Lala  Lajput   Rai  dee,  delh  de  dhap baand  hoohr  kharan<br>
+due to Lala Lajput Rais's heart beat stopping he<br><br>
-Allenwala ji,
+ਮ੝ਰਿਤੂ            ਹੋ     ਗਈ     ਤਾਂ    ਦੋ    ਹਿੰਦੂ      ਕੰਗ੝ਰੈਸੀ        ਡਾਕਟਰਾਂ <br>
+mhereetu   hoe gahee tah  dho Hindu   congressi doctora <br>
+died and two Congress doctors<br><br>
-Many thanks for your corrections to the above AOW - Obviously, missing out 'the', 'a', etc is an inherent weakness when coming from an Indian background. I think you are right when you say that they may not exist in Punjabi.
+ਨੇ     ਇਹ  ਸਰਟੀਫਿਕੇਟ  ਦੇ    ਦਿਤਾ   ਕਿ  ਇਸ   ਮ੝ਰਿਤੂ <br>
+nah eeh  certificate  dah detah  ka eesh  mretu<br>
+produced a certificate showing that his death<br><br>
-Sorry to learn that 'pain' interrupts your sleep - I hope it is not an ongoing problem.
+ਕਰਤਰੀ    ਕਾਰਣ (Efficient cause) ਉਹ    ਡਾਂਗਾਂ     ਦੀਆਂ    ਸੱਟਾਂ  ਹੀ   ਹਨ, <br>
+kartatee  karran                          ooho  thanga deeya sata hee han<br>
+was caused due to injuries caused by being hit by batons<br><br>
-I needed a narrow painting for the mainpage and this is the best I could come up with. Mind you, this AOW was prepared some years ago!
+ਜਿਹੜੀਆਂ ਕਿ  ਛੇ   ਹਫਤੇ  ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਉਨਾਂ   ਨੂੰ     ਵੱਜੀਆਂ  ਸਨ |<br>
+jahreea  ka cha hafta phala  oona noo  vajeea sahn<br>
+which had happened 6 weeks before his death. <br><br>
-Kind regards, das [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 12:18, 22 January 2008 (MST)
+ਇਸ ਤਰਾਂ    ਆਕਾਸ਼ ਬੇਲ    ਦੇ     ਫ੝ੱਲਾਂ   ਨੂੰ   ਫਲ   ਲਗੇ  ਤੇ ਬਾਂਝ  ਵਿਧਵਾ   ਦੇ    ਸਪ੝ਤ੝ਰ    ਦਾ |<br>
+ees tarha  aakas baal dha phula noo phal laga ta baaj veedva dha saputar  da<br>
+In this way, the sky bound climber's flowers bore fruit, and the sterile widow's son<br><br>
-==Gurdwara Shahid Burj (Bhai Jiwan Singh)==
+ਵਿਵਾਹ   ਸੰਸਕਾਰ   ਹੋਇਆ    ਇਕ  ਕੰਗ੝ਰੈਸੀ         ਦੇਵੀ ਨੇਤਾ, <br>
-Gurdwara Shahid Burj (Bhai Jiwan Singh) - i went to chamkaur sahib recently and oi have all new pics of shahid burj and close view to bauli and internal struc ture of gurdwara will provide on this website soon.
+veevha sanskar hooeya ek    kangrasee davee nAta,<br>
+wedding ceremony took place. At this time, one Congress lady <br><br>
-Kalgi - a type of jewel which tied on the top of turban. This jewel decorates kings, prestigious persons or Grooms turban. sly this decorates gurus turban too. Guru Har Gobind, Guru Har Rai, guru Gobind Singh all have kalgi on head.  Whether a simple brooch or more extravagant piece, it adds the much needed glamour to the Paghri or Safa. Kalgi's were traditionally worn to reflect  wealth and stature in society.  They were worn with a feather to compliment the design. search on kalgi on google and watch the images, ya see in guru gobind singh pictures you will definately find kalgi on turban.
+ਇਸ   ਸਮੇਂ      ਲਹੌਰ     ਪਧਾਰੀ    ਤੇ  ਇਹ    ਬਿਆਨ    ਅਖਬਾਰਾਂ   ਵਿਚ  ਛਪਵਾ  ਕੇ, <br>
+ees samha Lahore pdharee ta  eeha  beyhan ekhabara vich chpva ka,  <br>
+came to Lahore and reported & got printed this in the newspaper and <br><br>
-Angeetha Sahib Angeetha word is used for the place where the cremation had been done, Angeetha. sahib word is used here as you know we say Guru nanak Sahiub jee. This place deals with cremation of martyer. There is Angeetha Sahib in Gurdwara
+ਮ੝ੜਦੇ      ਪੈਰੀ     ਕਲਕੱਤੇ    ਚਲੇ    ਗਈ |<br>
-[[user:hpt_lucky]]
+murdha   paree  Calcatta chlaa gaee<br>
+immediately left for Calcutta.<br><br>
-== Pipli ==
+"ਲਾਲਾ ਜੀ  ਨੂੰ    ਦ੝ਸ਼ਟ  ਸਕਾਟ ਫਿਰੰਗੀ     ਨੇ   ਡਾਂਗਾਂ    ਮਾਰ   ਕੇ ਕਤਲ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤਾ  ਹੈ |<br>
+Lala   ji   nuu duust skat   phergee na dhaga marg ka katl   kar deta  ha<br>
+''"Due to the evil foreigner Scot's beating, Lal ji has died of the injuries.''<br><br>
-Could Pipli be a reference to a {{Wiki|Pipal}} sapling? Sound like that - Pipal is a big tree, so using pipli to refer to a small pipal is consistent with the Punjabi way. ??? [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 21:00, 23 January 2008 (MST)
-rite pipli is small plant or sapling of pipal tree. Due to pipli our family conflicts is going on as pipli is also the source of black magic.
+ਕੀ ਪੰਜਾਬ   ਦਾ ਮਰਦਊਪ੝ਣਾ    ਬਿਲਕ੝ਲ ਨਿਪ੝ੰਸਕ      ਬਣ  ਚ੝ੱਕਾ    ਹੈ? "<br>
+ke punjab de mardooprh  belkul  neepusak ban chuke ha? <br>
+''Is the pride (manhood) of Punjab completely finished?"''<br><br>
-==Pipal==
+Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 09:06, 11 October 2010 (EDT)
-Also read [[Pipal]]
-the sikhiwiki article
+Bhai sahib ji, Many thanks for your kind words. Please feel free to put it on the article page. Thanks again and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:00, 11 October 2010 (EDT)
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-== Gurdwara Details ==
+== Photos of Bhagwan! ==
-SSA Allenwala,
+Bhai Sahib ji, {{SSA}}
-Many thanks for the message. Sorry, I just put the narrative about how I got the details about the Nyeri Gurdwara to inform users of my technique in obtaining the data. I did not want anyone to think that I had personal knowledge about all these matters. However, in this case, as I was born not too far from Nyeri, Kenya perhaps I could have had personal knowledge of this house of the Guru but alas I never had the opportunity to visit the town even when I lived just a few miles away!
+Thank you for a very interesting article highlighting a subtle (but not easily understood) aspect of human behaviour; although we realise God is everywhere, a picture seems to bring this to the forefront and crystallise the concept at that location. Nothing has changed apart from the appearance of an "imaginary" picture of God! Amazing how the human mind behaves and functions!
-A very kind user, [[User:Bansalj]] who (if my memory serves me right) was originally from Kenya but I believe now lives in the USA kindly uploaded all these pictures from his personal records. He did a sterling job - Unfortunately, he did not have other details about the many Gurdwara for which he uploaded the images. It will be up to us and other users to fit a few more jigsaws in the global picture of Sikhi!
+Yes, generally Sikhs do not consume tobacco and so would rarely be caught displaying this hideous habit of "public spitting"
-Re Pipli - Yes I think you are right - many historic Gurdwara names have a story to tell - I visited one in Chandigarh earlier this month called [[Amb Sahib]] - Wow what a Sakhi associated with this holy place! Keep up the great work; kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 08:06, 25 January 2008 (MST)
+Thanks also for the link to the miracle that unfolded in Chile this morning - luckily, we had good coverage via the BBC in this case. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 12:03, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
-== chakkar ==
+== [[Gurdwara Nanaksar Sahib]] & visit to Amritsar ==
-SSA Allenwala ji: I do remember discussing chakkar but I don't know how our chat ended. I believe that these were definitely used as weapons! I like the additions - thanks. Also, I am grateful to you for bringing the article [[Baba Lakhbir Singh]] to our attention - most intriguing. Kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 20:56, 29 January 2008 (MST)
+Bhai sahib ji,
-== Gurdwara Bhangani Sahib ==
+Thanks for your messages. Unfortunately, the Notice board is not very helpful and appears more like an advert showing the name of the main sewadar (Baba Balvinder Singh, the 14th in the line of "Akali 96 Karori, )and the many titles that people hold and little else of much use. It may? be located in Chawni Nihang Singh, Bathinda District although I cannot locate this as a village so it may refer to something else. The full name of the Gurdwara is 'Gurdwara Nanaksar Sahib, Pehli Patshahi'. 'Pehli (first) Patshahi (king)' standing for the first Guru. The connection to the [[Buddha Dal]] is also given but no other details of the location.
-Hi Richard sahib, SSA
+'''President's visit''': I wonder how much of this story is true - it may just be something to bring anti-India propaganda later if he does not go! I agree it is exciting to think of the President going to the Golden Temple but I would not hold too much hope. The upside would be more education for the world about Sikhs, I agree totally. Let's hope this works out. Raab rakha & kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 14:15, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
-Thanks for the message. Unfortunately, bhai sahib the credit for the pictures at [[Gurdwara Bhangani Sahib]] must go to someone else as although I have done some rearrangement of the text here and posted the pictures previously, they were regrettably not taken by me. I do not want to take the credit away from the original cameraman - I agree that the photos are excellent especially the one from the field which has stunning colours and great composure.
+[http://www.sikhnet.com/news/michelle-reason-obamas-amritsar-visit There may be some truth in this story] unbelievable as it may seem! [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 17:16, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
-Due to the lack of time, we only visited about 10 different historic shrines in India on this occasion. Of these, I have posted a few photos of these Gurdwaras:
+== Appointment of Akal takhat jathedar ==
-* [[Gurdwara Charan Kamal]] (photo at top)
+{{p|File:MiriPiri-QueenVisit.jpg|Queen during her visit to the Golden Temple}}
-* [[Gurdwara Dukh Nivaran Sahib Patiala]] (4 photos)
+Bhai sahib ji,
-* [[Gurdwara Nadha Sahib Patshahi Dasvee]] (photo at top)
-* Also see more of [http://www.flickr.com/photos/hari_singh/ my photos at flickr]
+The requirement is simply to cover the head and I have seen many youngsters wear a baseball cap to the darbar hall and this is perfectly acceptable also woolly caps are often worn by ladies in addition to scarves, etc. I am sure considering that it is the president, a cap or any other such head covering like the ones mentioned by you will be accepted by the Sikhs leaders; the US Navy hat sounds like a great idea. [http://www.dailyindia.com/show/403564.php Obama wearing a cap for Golden Temple visit is no issue: SGPC]
-I used the old family faithful camera, a Casio qv-r61. Many thanks and kind regards from [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 07:21, 3 February 2008 (MST)
+When the Queen, bless her soul, visited the Golden Temple (see picture) she wore her matching beautiful hat. Many leaders have visited this shrine to pay their respects to this shrine which is where the "message of Guru Nanak" was first honoured - this is what the shrine stands for. It is an honour for the Sikhs if one visits and the person also honours the deep and enlightening message of the Gurus. This is important and I hope the administrator in the USA will consider this carefully.
-== [[Hadiaya]] ==
+I think to stop the visit for such a small thing is throwing mud into the face of the ideals of inter-faith dialogue. If we speak about high principles and wisdom than this is just a big blow to that; we are buckling due to common public perception based on a false foundation.
-Hi Richard, SSA
+'''Akal Takhat''' Unfortunately, the audio is in Punjabi but I am hoping to do an article on this as it was an eye-opener for me and I am sure you will be suitably alarmed to find out the realities surrounding the way the jathedar is elected and the minimum power that he '''really''' possess. More of this later.
-Were you referring to [[Haveli]]?. Kind regards and many thanks for your continued dedication to SikhiWiki & the Guru's message, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 04:37, 5 February 2008 (MST)
+<gallery caption="Picture Gallery" widths="250px" heights="250px" perrow="3">
+File:President obama.jpg|the US President
+File:President Obama with cap.jpg|President with US Marine Corps cap
+File:Obama-chicago-240mn0529101.jpg
+</gallery>
+[[File:Slim obama 1515209c.jpg]]
-== Bahot,Bahot Dhaanavaad tohada - and the spelling seems fine to me! ==
+Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 14:20, 23 October 2010 (EDT)
-SSA, Bhai sahib
+== Indeed, such a sad state of affairs ==
-I am so glad you like it - It is definitely well deserved. When we were in India, I had a few opportunities to look at the 'recent changes' list and I saw your user name frequently on that list. I wanted to join that list and have my name with the 'Gurus sewadars' but alas the internet connection was not 'too user friendly'. I could see that you were 'burning the midnight lamp' quite a lot. You have the staying power and the stamina to persist. Well done! I am proud to have the opportunity to present you this barnstar - only the second one on SikhiWiki, I think. Many thanks for your very valuable work. [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 16:37, 5 February 2008 (MST)
+Bhai Sahib ji
-==Sat Shri Akaal Lucky Is back==
+What a miserable state of affairs! Baba Farid is recognised by many communities for his deep reverence for God and for his recognition of the true message of Allah! It is sad that all these ignorant people can do is try and cause injury to the innocent people who understand the meaning of peace and love.
-It is not ok to paint gurus pics, i know in my house there are also some gurus pics but that was my grandmom's last instance she brought these potraits from chamkaur sahib. So removing that potraits is to hurting someones sentiments.
-* ''Guru Ji Himself declares and affirms upon the issue through Gurbani as........
+Obviously, these misguided thugs cannot see the path of truth being followed as their trade in corruption and slavery is ebbing away. The region has a serious deficit in morality and righteousness - many still wish to live in the middle-ages!
-"Meditate on the image of the Guru within your mind; let your mind accept the Word of the Guru's Shabad (Gurbani teachings) and His Mantra (advice & guidance). Enshrine the Guru's feet within your heart. Bow in humility forever before the Guru, the Supreme Lord God" (Tr. fr. SGGS page 864)
+Bhai sahib, many thanks again for highlighting this story; it good to be well informed although it is depressing to see humans behaving is such a lowly manner. Raab rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 23:09, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
-"Enshrine the Guru's Feet in your heart. Meditate on Him and cross over the ocean of fire" (Tr. fr. SGGS Page 192)
+----
+Many thanks for the link; have left a comment at the news article site - hopefully it will get published -
-I have written a short and wrong english article on [[Gurus Pics & Idols]]. You can read it or add related to topic in it. On some sikhism movies the cases(Judiciary) are going on. We cant show a man as a guru in movies, and we cant show potraits in movies or make potraits in real life or making idols of gurus if someone have go and throw in water.''
-* Sarbans Dani - we can say who donated whole family and himself for sake of something. Know read the guru gobind singh's history what he donated.
-*   Sab Sikhon Ko Hukam Hai
-    Guru Manio Granth
-    Guru Granth Ji Manyio
-    Pargat Guraan Ki Deh.
-These lines are said by guru gobind singh. he said "This is Hukam(Order) to all Sikhs that you have to believe the granth as your guru. You have to believe guru granth as appeared form of guru.". Well hari singh can elaborate it more in english.  [[user:hpt_lucky]]
-== Moving images of the Gurus ==
-Hi Richard ji
-I know that there has been some exchange of ideas on this topic. I have not had the time at present to get too involved - but this is a topic where views differ between Sikhs. But nevertheless it is an important point worth highlighting on SikhiWiki. Most Sikhs, including my family have always had paintings of the Gurus. A few Sikhs are against these pictures as they can easily become a 'centre of worship'.instead of the shabad or word, the picture becomes the centre!
-However, moving pictures of the Gurus are not allowed although I have seen a historic film of the Gurus with moving graphics (computer generated) - These have not raised any objections and in fact are very effective in conveying the historic facts. So it seems that computer generated films will be OK as long as they toe the accepted line and if they are historical. I cannot however, see the Gurus been acted by actors - This is a no-go area at present.
+<span style="font-style:italic">"Baba Farid ji is also a revered Sikh Bhagat and I find it difficult to understand how any person who calls himself or herself “human” can do such a horrendous thing at the sacred shrine of such a holy man of God.<br><br>However, despite such inhuman behaviour, we need to remember what Baba ji has said in his bani:<br><br>“Fareed, answer evil with goodness; do not fill your mind with anger.” (bottom of page 1381 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib) quoted from: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bani_Baba_Farid_7<br><br>God will take care of these evil people. However, all the peoples of God need to unite against this devil called taliban; or al qaeda or whatever. We cannot let our small differences become a wedge that gives these men of terror a hold in society. God belongs to all and we all belong to Him! So please unite in our fight against “adharam” – unrighteous and “anti-Godly” acts by these terrorists."</span>
-I personally feel that this is holding back some huge mileage that Sikhi could get. Just imagine a film about {{G10}} - it would be a blockbuster and most of the world would learn about Sikhi in 2 hours! I think we need to put some articles on this point so that the we can crystallise our ideas and present a coherent picture of how things stand and how this can be developed in the future. Regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 19:00, 6 February 2008 (MST)
+Hope the appointment with the dentist went well and that all the teeth are still intact! Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 12:22, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
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-SSA Bhai sahib,
+Bhai Sahib ji,
-First things first - my best email at present is: gbsikh@gmail.com
+'''Dentist:''' As one grows older, this is always a fear - When you turn up at the dentist, the result could be leaving with one less tooth. My wife has some pain on one side of her jaw and I fear for the outcome when she too sees the dentist tomorrow!
-I agree with your analysis that if we do not visualise the history of the Gurus, then we are denying the present generation the opportunity to learn about some fascinating human facets. However, I do not believe that there is any Hukam by the Gurus not to produce a film! Obviously films did not exist then and the Sikhs would not have understood even if the Gurus had mentioned it. I believe that this is a self-imposed ban - primarily to stop bollywood exploiting this history and depicting the Gurus negatively.
+I hope one less tooth is not going to have any significant impact on your life. I know that my brother has lost a few and everyone left is now vital!
-However, I believe that when the right director comes along, then a film will be produced - but sadly it may take many years before this happens. I believe that first we will get computer generated moving graphics and then things will take off. Could you imagine the current that would run in the cinema theatre when they witness the battles of the tenth master! the zafarnama; the fight of the rightful against the mighty wrongdoer.
+'''Article on Baba Farid:''' I have just [http://public.dawn.com/2010/10/26/saints-and-sinners.html?pid=1321 checked the article]  and yes, the comments have been published - I also read the next comment which is very poignant and I attach it here for your attention:  ''"It is ironic that shrine of a person who converted tens of thousands to Islam through message of love and peace is attacked by so called Muslims who have successfully painted Islam as a religion of hate and made Islam a target of hatred worldwide."''
-I am not a frequent film goer but I can imagine the set in the film Jodhaa Akbar. When bollywood works well, they produce stunning results. As I said don't ever say never. That reminds me - You know there is a tale that Guru Gobind Singh left a Hukam that if anyone built a place of remembrance for him, that person's ancestry would come to an end. When Maharaj Ranjit Singh wanted to construct Gurdwaras in the name of the tenth master, he was reminded to this hukam by Guru Gobind Singh. Maharaj Ranjit Singh replied, ''"I don't care for my ancestry - as long as I have breath in my lungs, I will continue to build Gurdwaras for my Guru, who sacrificed his all for us!"''
+I am sure that there are a combination of problems with the government in Pakistan for these attacks to continue to increase and one hopes that some change will come soon!
-So you never know when the next big step will take place - but it will happen. I agree that at present the situation is a hindrance for us but we will move forward on this front when the right people are around. If a group of dedicated Sikhs decided to produce a film about the Gurus, and it is approached in the right way then it will be possible. So hold on..... we will get that mega blockbuster with a spiritual message soon! Regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 17:34, 7 February 2008 (MST)
+Hope the pain goes away. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 09:50, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
-*  [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-R81_Vwssw&feature=related Film about Guru Nanak - Part2] - See what you think?
+== Placing links to adverts ==
-==Allenwala G==
+Bhai sahib ji, Many thanks. The user Shxxxxx? has been blocked; may be he has nothing better to do at the moment! You vigilance is appreciated. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 23:17, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
-Jo Bole So Nihal is a movie which show nudeness and adult comedy too. The Line Jo Bole So Nihaal is sacred to sikhs. So thats why sikhs were saying to change its name or to remove nude scenes. and about 3 - 4 scenes were cut from the movie.
-Like hari Singh said i also want to add Guru Gobind Singh also said that "who will treat me as a god he will go to the hell". Here some dedicated sikhs reply to this message is that" We will treat guru Gobind singh Guru so what if we go to hell". Well its dedication of sikhs towards there guru.
+==Interesting article ==
+Veer ji,
-I want to add a serial called Ramayana in which a human was doing the role of Ram. When that hero went to some villages in UP people start praying him, they were treating him as a ram. See the result.
+Many thanks as always for an article which is well considered and throws a little new light on this recent cancer of humanity. Hopefully, by focussing on this unfortunate disease that has inflicted our species, will we find a slow but sure cure. Many thanks again. Raab Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:54, 3 November 2010 (EDT)
-There are many illitrate and agyani people here. They see Allenwala is doing role of Jesus they treat you as jesus. Like in Passion of christ that man play role of jesus and in my mind when i remember jesus that man's image comes to my mind. I think you understand in my dull english what i want to say. We start treating that person as a guru and one more thing nobuddy is that much pure to do the role of Guru, Jesus, mohomad or Ram. But they shows images instead of guru's in guru film that is also wrong.
+----
+Veer ji,
-Well if you watch the movies the more stress is on opposite mask. Like in Chotey Shahibzade Shaheed the more stress is given on Wazir khan rather then chotey shahibzadey.
-Well my mind makes movie of Guru Arjun Dev but when i think of Guru Arjun i think about his potrait, if a movie comes and like allenwala is doing that role then whenever i wanna remember guru arjun dev you comes in my mind. Sorry for boring you with my boring english hope you understand what i want to say.
-When i pray god before Guru Guru Nanak Photos comes in my mind. We cant see god so mind make a fictional chrachter in mind and that is the porait made by some great painters. When Christ come to my mind the Actor of Passion of christ Jim Caviezel comes in my mind. These changes the mind setup. [[user:hpt_lucky]]
-==O Allenwala G==
-* agyanta(Unwise) i mean lack of knowledge is agyani donot know the proper word
-* I was not saying that only this factor matters. I was saying that this also happens. This is not a major problem. I was just telling you something. You take this quote seriously actually i wrote this to you in serious manner its not the serious matter.
+Excellent video about such a strong personality; many thanks for taking the trouble to give me the link. It reinforces the line where the Guru says that in kaljug (the dark age) which is now, [[kirtan]] will dominate; it is clear that certainty music has its magical influence and it can help make people rise above the doom and gloom around them! An essential portion for our troubled times!
-* I also want to make movie of Guru Arjun Dev the Martydom the Passion Of Guru Arjun Dev but how it feels that No Guru Arjun Dev is shown. SGPC and other Sikh units will not allow us to make the movie. and you know once they allow you will get not holly not bolly but Sikhiwood.
+Most grateful to you, Veer ji; really enjoyed it and it also gave me an insight into an unexplored and relatively new domain which I have only a very vague and sketchy knowledge about. Many thanks and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 13:08, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
-* But know these organizations makes every sikh mind rigid to the matter so know if you ask anybuddy he will reply """Kisey aimeyee dehdhari manukh nu Guru da role kimey de dayiae""(How can anybuddy play the role of those godly spirit?). This thing lead to orthodoxity rigidity. Jodha Akbar is different concept and hritik is not suited for the role Amir Khan should do the role. He is best for this.
+Your Bandi chhor good wishes most welcomed and graciously accepted; may the Lord's blessings be with you and your family too at all times. Raab sada rakha hova (May God always protect), [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:00, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
-* Know you are saying Sikh actor or actor from sikh community as i told nobuddy will ever try to do role of sikh gurus mentality man. I can explain all above in punjabi better then in english. You know my Beautiful english..........[[user:hpt_lucky]]
+==Sandy Travels and nanak Travels to mecca==
+Hello Sir, Kindly visit the following link,
-==What do you think==
+it contains a page of Sandy Travels  who went to arabia during his tour.
-Just your view.
-An inspiration of Guru nanak has founded in Istanbul turkey, its just on west part of turkey,To reach there Guru nanak have to travel through Jordan, Israel, plaestine, Syria and in return he reached azerbaizan in russia then enters iraq, Iran, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan & Pakistan to his native. Well my first question Guru nanak if travel by foot how much day it takes to cover so long journey???
-* How he reached mecca?? From Karachi he took boat and reached jeddah or he travveled along sea shore oman, yemen then saudi????
+Now days thispage is quoted by our sikhs to prove that nanak went to mecca. I read whole page but i am not getting where actually it is written that he went to mecca or where is the sign which support that nanak went there or something like this. The page is blurred in look, have a look on this so that i could warn these scholars or missionaries that they are taking wrong page to prove this fact and it have no relation with nanak.
-* One more thing enters my mind Khuhram shahr guru nanak went and that is on south of iran if guru nanak went baghdad in iraq and went there on south of iran then why he go to north in tehran or masshad............and if he went from baghdad to north of iran then when he covered Khuhrm sehar and bushehar. West Journey is bit confusing.
-* Ok suppose from Medina in saudi he directly enter Baghdad in iraq and havent visit Turkey, russia or syria then also the above point rises. He visits mashad by many historians, He visit Khoram and bushsr by many historians and he visited Syria and palestine also by many historians.
+if it has relation with nanak kindly simplify the whole writing and tell the line number which support this. I am trying to read it but i am not getting whcat story actually is going on. if you have your personal book of SANDY Travels by George Sandy, kindly put this page online so that one could read clearly.
-Due to Muslim countries they just washed away the guru nanak's related places or material. No inspiration in Mecca, Medina, Jeddah, Russia, Afghanistan even(Hail Taliban). Instances found in Iran, Iraq, Turkey and others are just vanished or washed. route is bit confusing to me
+Do collaborate.......thanks
+([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 14:04, 11 November 2010 (EST))
-What your mind says..........[[user:hpt_lucky]]
+== Article "[[Sikh]]" ==
-== IMPROVING PHOTO ==
+Bhai sahib ji,
-SIR,SSA
+I noticed the following on the above page - it does not seem to be very clear what this means?
-Thanks 4 improving the photo by removing the unwanted things.i requested S.Hari SINGH JI TO COMMENT ON PHOTOS AND GIVE ME SUGGESTION AS I M NOT FULLY AWARE OF THE SYSTEM.He remained silent only u and Harpreet ji has commented anyway thanks again.
-Hope the same in future also.
---Sarbjeet Singh [[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 22:54, 8 February 2008 (MST)
+DAWN.COM ON FACEBOOK<br>
-==Bhaa Jee==
+dawn.com on Facebook, he is strong".
-Actually i asked the previous question after 2 hours study on travels. My eyes started paining while watching computer.
-Namak Means salt in punjabi we say Narak
+Obviously as this was right at the beginning of the page, I have taken it off as it could cause confusion about what the word "Sikh" and our credibility generally?
-You are right Nanak was adventourous, Like saint namdev or Ramanand who just have only single place i.e Maharashtra or UP if Nanak was non adventourous then his seema must be in Punjab only. But he visited many many places.
-Its said when mardana died in khoram shahr(Its grave was 2.5 km from railway station  which was vanished). He returned to afghanistan or pakistan dont know and told mardana's son that his father had died and with his son they move back to their grave. if this is true then to go there he should not follow the path from mashad. He might visit from bushehar in south.
+I wonder what you were trying to convey? Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:14, 11 November 2010 (EST)
-This above comes in my mind bec from going bushear to north iran is amazing thing and he must visited & he must have visited sirjan, shiraz to enter in afghanistan.
+== Sandy's travels and other theories about Guru Nanak ==
-Actually you know i am writing an article under [[Sikhiwiki:Project Guru Nanak Dev]] i.e [[Guru Nanak In Iran]] so iran journey is just confusing me. Was guru nanak visiting Iran in Zigzag manner, Or He visited the place while return journey or while going towards west.
+Bhai Sahib ji,
-If return journey then movement is like - Baghdad(Iraq), Khorram Shahhr, Bushehar,in totally south again went to north totally northern areas tehran and masshad then went kandhar in afghanistan.
+Many thanks for the message. I am of the same view as expressed by you. I do not think that [http://satguru.weebly.com/index.html Harpal Singh Kasoor] website can be considered a serious site to obtained historical facts. He has some interesting theories and with more research we may or may not be able to support these theories. As you say, Sandy Travel Page 97 has no mention of Guru Nanak so cannot be used to support the Guru visit to Mecca.
-Soma Maps in google image search are drawn very wrong.
+I don't think there is any bad intention in Kasoor's work but an over-powering mind, indulging in the extreme which has produced some interesting views; however these views at present have no scientific or historical basis.
-Well if he have spiritual powers then the above said is not a difficult task not at all. My article [[Ashtdasa Sidh|The 18 Spiritual Powers]] tell this.
+One thing that is of value is the inscription of the Mool Mantar at the [[Guru Nanak in Azerbaijan|temple in Baku]]. It is difficult to understand how and when this inscription ended up on this shrine. Does it have a serious connection with Guru Nanak or is it the work of someone who has a distant connection with Sikhi? Although we have covered this here at SikhiWiki, more research could help establish the nature of the link to Sikhi.
-* one more as he was a saintly sufi personality he must visit israel Jerusulam(Isa(Christ) & third holy city of moslems.....What do you think??,
+Many thanks for your comments and your contribution to this discussion. I hope someone with take time to explore in proper scientific way some of the ideas that have been put forward by this website. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:37, 13 November 2010 (EST)
-Allenwala G i am crazy to go to iran. I am filling the passport forms and applying for it. Iran have many raaz in it about guru nanak. During return journey he just not keep on moving towards afghanistan. He must stayed there for many days in different cities. I donot have proper sources. Well i will try to find guru nanak studies of more authors they must have described. KhorramShahr, Bushahr are confirmed places. Masshad & Tehran i read in many articles. If you get sources for [[Guru Nanak in Iran]] do not hesitate to add please. Add your name as participant in [[Sikhiwiki:Project Guru Nanak Dev|Guru Nanak's Project]]. Enjoy. Actually No Buddy this buddy habbit i got from chatting yahoo chatting i will care now buddy ohhhhhhh i mean body i mean sir.
+== Religious Casteism alive and well in Nankana District & I just love to sing in Punjabi ==
-'''One more question'''
+Veer ji,
-Guru Arjun Dev: First Put in Hot Water cladrone dipped upto neck and fire under it, then put red hot sand on him, then iron plate hot and make him sit on it. What physical body changes comes??? how body hair clothes, nail and each part affected?? Explain or ask from any bio student. please xplain in some brief <br>
-[[user:hpt_lucky]]
-== queries? ==
+Many thanks for the excellent links. It is amazing that the place where Guru Nanak was born, the practise of casteism continues. Millions of people in far-off places have heard the call of Nanak and have been elevated while the ignorant ones living just a few miles from Nanak's birth place have heard nothing!
-Hi richard, SSA
+How low humans get in ignorance and darkness. Without education and mental realisation, one lives in hell. One ray of light is that there is at least one journalist who has some sense! Let's hope there are a few more sensible people left in Pakistan and in the judiciary in Nankana Sahib District!
-baccha = child/kid
+Interesting story: I found a few links to the Gori's (white girl's) videos. I don't think her voice appears to fit the "desi" music style but she has a "novelty" value for the Punjabis as they probably have never seen a white girl singing in their language!
-for rivers - [[rivers of Punjab]] are [[Beas]], [[Satluj]], [[Ravi]], [[Chenab]] and [[Jhelum]].
+*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-YbE0tLMDA
+*http://www.youtube.com/user/anitalerche
+* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97KZGgQyo7k Aao ji, ji aian noon Please come, you are most welcome!
+Anyway hope she is successful in her venture. I am sure she will have great fun but success is another thing.
-regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 13:36, 9 February 2008 (MST)
+Regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 12:31, 21 November 2010 (EST)
+== Banda Bahadur ==
-==meaning==
+Veer ji,
-Sir,
+I had always assumed that Banda Singh was actually wearing a turban and only now have I noticed that he may have a metallic "helmet" with a spike on top of his turban. Unfortunately, there is no historical record as far as I know to confirm this issue and it may be best to change this if possible.
-SSA,
+Also, we know that in the 2 WWs, the Sikhs choose to fight without helmets; there must have been some reason for them to press for this requirement and I assume that they choose this mode of dress as their predecessors had insisted on the same mode previously.
+I have tested a normal motor cycle helmet with my turban and I can confirm that it is too small to fit on top of a normal turban; you can fit the helmet over a [[patka]] but not over a normal turban. The problem of cyclists and motor cyclists is the "inconvenience" of carrying a turban with you if you have to wear a helmet. And what happens if you forget your turban! For this reason, in the UK, turban wearing Sikhs are exempt from this regulation. I don't think it has resulted in any "additional" burden on the National Health Service (NHS) with increased injuries to the head.
+Many thanks for the effort in changing the image.  Raab rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:36, 23 November 2010 (EST)
-All ur queries have been answered by Sir ji,
+== Harpal Singh Kasoor and User:Cocogijoqop ==
-.Etymology of KIRPAN:'Kirpa' means an act of kindness, a favor;'Aan' means honor, respect, self-respect.Kirpan symbolizes Courage, Dignity and Freedom !!.
-.ANDHLE: blindDHAND: worldly affairsBIN GUR ANDHLE DHAND ROYEWithout the Guru, the blind cry out, entangled in worldly affairs & problems
-.SANG: companyBIN GUR SANT N SANG DEYEWithout Guru, one is not blessed with the Company of Saints (Gurmukhs)Gud sangat is very important
---Sarbjeet Singh [[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 22:09, 9 February 2008 (MST)
-== Vijai  ==
-Vijai means conquest; victory in Hindi/Punjabi word and Vinod means Happy or Merry in Sanskrit. Regards [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 04:55, 10 February 2008 (MST)
-SIR,
-SSA,
-Could not understand ur last question,wat u actually wanted to say.
-Thanks.
---Sarbjeet Singh [[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 21:14, 13 February 2008 (MST)
-SIR,
-SSA,
+Veer ji,
-The words u described r typical Hindi words and u r r8 about their meaning.Im of the opinion thatThe hindi words should not be inserted in the english article.
+Many thanks for your messages regarding the two above pages; the second is gone due to your vigilance and I am hoping to edit the article on H S Kasoor in due course. As you mentioned, I am not convinced that his research is dependable in its present form.
-About statue of MAHARAJA i wud enqire about its locatin , i got the photo 4m a frnd & uploaded the same.
---Sarbjeet Singh [[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 21:16, 14 February 2008 (MST)
+Also, the details on the user information has no references and may not be too reliable as such. I noticed that Sunny Singh Doad actually set-up this page; I wonder if he too was excited by some of the "discoveries" highlighted by H S Kasoor? I will try and deal with this page soon. Many thanks for bringing these to my attention. Raab rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 09:05, 3 December 2010 (EST)
-.maha agyani - most ignoble .
+== user has fun and Nirmal Jit Singh Sekhon ==
-.abhimani - - proudy
-.tumaltang deha -
-.mughad -
-.kukarmi – Doing bad things
-.hankari - - proudy
-. Bilas –Chapter [not sure]
---Sarbjeet Singh [[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 04:39, 15 February 2008 (MST)
+Bhai Sahib ji,
-== Urdu ==
+Many thanks for you messages; I have made a note of the user with changing suffix to his name and will deal with it as soon as another user profile is created. Unfortunately, I have not figured out how to deal with these abuses via the IP address but will try and see if the Mediawiki site offers any help. I am grateful to you for your vigilance and proactive stand in this regard.
-Sorry, I must have got distracted - have completed the sentence but I am sure it was something more important. I have done it for now, but hopefully if the thought comes back, I may add to this??? Thanks for spotting! Kind regards & Chardikala, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 20:21, 17 February 2008 (MST)
+[[Nirmal Jit Singh Sekhon]]: Yes, that's a good point - featuring this article for Vijay Divas. However, we need to improve this article so that we have a little more information and better presentation that is to be expected of a 'featured article'.
+Obviously I do not expect the accounts by the two opposing sides to agree on what actually happened at the time; so it is not expected to give such a "compromised" view. What is clear is that the India Air Force was impressed by the courage of this pilot and chose to award him one of the highest award granted to an airman at the time.  I think that is the main angle to pursue as that is what his peers appreciated and decided about this person.
+Please make a start on the revision to the article and I will join in as well. Many thanks for your useful suggestions. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 21:00, 8 December 2010 (EST)
-== Good job ==
+== Many new users daily ==
-Sir
+Bhai sahib ji,
-SSA, Good Job , but kindly remove my name from the photo or insert '''singh''' in between sarbjeet sethi. Thanks
---Sarbjeet Singh [[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 20:56, 18 February 2008 (MST)
+Many thanks for your message and good wishes. May you and your family also have a most pleasant, prosperous and enjoyable New year.
-== [[Bibi Harsarn Kaur]] ==
+I have sent an email to the technical guys at Sikhnet to implement a "Captcha" security system on user creation. Unfortunately, they appear to be on "vacation" but hopefully they will be able to get this security feature working soon after they return from their New year holidays.
-sahib jadey means [[sahibzada]] and is sometimes used as an alternative. Have redirected to Sahibzada. Fixed! Kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 04:44, 19 February 2008 (MST)
+The creation of these redundant users does not create any obvious problem but it is best stopped if at all possible. I will keep you updated on the progress. Kind regards. Raab Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 13:38, 2 January 2011 (EST)
-----
-SSA:
-*Not sure about the phase "cat's paw" - will check with my mum! As I was born in Kenya, I did not get full exposure to full-blown Punjabi culture!
-*I am sorry -  you are absolutely right - Guru Arjan was {{G10}}'s great grandfather. Many thanks for correcting me.
+== Gur Sikh Temple ==
-*Also see the point that you make about the sacrifice of the other members and their independent decision.  Will leave it to your good judgement. Many thanks again. Regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 17:48, 19 February 2008 (MST)
+Bhai sahib ji,
-==Hello Allen jee==
+Many thanks for the very interesting link to the 100 year old Gurdwara in Canada. I have featured a short intro with a link to this article in the 'Daily News' section on the Mainpage. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 21:05, 4 January 2011 (EST)
-Well i came back today in evening 5. I am doint postgraduate from outside my hometown so was not able to came in contact with internet. Well i asked many people why movies related to gurus cant be made?? Why i cant show guru in the movie and i got maximum replies "Kisi wich ini aukaad nahin hai, kee sadi guru jee da sarrer tae awaaz nu dharan kar sakey". (Nobuddy is that much pure that he can adopt the roop and voice of our gurus, and if he is pure he will never do it). This is the mentality. So this topic ends up here.[[user:hpt_lucky]]
-Alen Ji you are free to add in this article. [[Guru Nanak Sahib Ji and Martin Luther]] read the article and your comments please
+== Lahore ==
-==Hey==
+Hanji, my pleasure. I was busy setting up an non profit jathebandi to help poor sikhs in India and Pak, we are starting our work in Pakistan, so i wanted to set more info on Pak article :D
-You was saying that nanak in mecca is a myth. I also think the same abt mecca but but but Here his inscriptions are founded in Uganda, Africa too. Know Mecca, so i cannot say it a myth.
-Nanak Was really a great adventurer. Well Gurdwara Joga singh i just put on discussion. I havent edit some artciels i will edit when i get the time.
+Families fine thanks, how are you and your family?
+Been a real long time. [[User:SunnySinghDoad|SunnySinghDoad]] 13:23, 11 January 2011 (EST)
-* Guru Nanak Towards West - 12000 Km(Pakistan, Saudi, Iraq, Iran, Afghan & Pak) to 16000 Km(If we includes Pak, Saudi, Syria, turkey, Rome, Israel, Armenia, Azerbaizan, Turkistan, Uzbekistan, Tazakhistan) Km he travelled
+== Fatal shooting prompts outcry ==
-* Guru Nanak toward south - around 5500 Km he travveled(Included sri lanka)
-* Guru nanak Towards East - 5300 Km included Burma
-* Guru Nanak in north - 3300 Km included chinese parts sikkim & tibet nepal jammu kashmir.
-Well my search & Research will go on i will hire some books fopr proper references i am starting reading two books i got. <br>
+Bhai Sahib ji, {{WKWF}}
-[[user:hpt_lucky]]
-==Again Sat Shri Akaal==
+It is very good to hear from you after a long time! I hope all is well with your good self and the whole of the family. Many thanks for the message.
-Wel i read an article of Gurbaksh singh kala afghana he wrote, Guru Nanak not actually rotate the Kaaba. When he laid down, feet at the side of kaaba, And Hazis & Peers & Kazis said "Who the rebel is this who laid down in this way. "Donot know the allah is here and his feet is towards the allah". When guru nanak replied " Freind turn my feet there where allah is not". Every buddy get stunned & start thinking where to turn the feet. Then nasihat & Hazarnama tells the discussion between kazis, hazis, peers & Guru Nanak.
-Well i believe that Guru Nanak must visit Mecca, Medina & Jerusulam too as you know these place are highest place of religons & to defeat the rigidity & true message he must visited these places. Rome, Italy, Romania looks a myth but research is going on. Ateshgah is also highest place of Zorothustra.
+It is a sad piece of news in what is becoming an increasingly intolerant world. I have linked into the Sikhnet news section which appears to be covering this incident in some detail. It seems that just taking a walk is becoming a risk in one of the richest countries of the world. We have had similar crimes in many parts of the affluent world which is deeply concerning.
-Rotation of mecca is totally rejected by this author. Rotation of people mind supported by him.(sorry 4 poor english)[[user:hpt_lucky]]
+In the past, we were accustomed to poor individuals mainly in parts of Africa, robbing and killing for money and other expensive items but now it is not greed that is the motivation but intolerance and human division - A very ugly and serious development and a clear sign of diminishing moral standards in the world has is getting materially richer by the day. Today, we have more material wealth but morally we have become poorer. Where in the past morality and spiritual values meant something now it accounts for nothing! An alarming development which if unchecked will result in total misery for the world.
-== My Pleasure ==
+Many thanks again. Kind regards and the Lord's glorious blessings, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 02:31, 8 March 2011 (EST)
-Sir, Its my pleasure u enjoyed the articles.Iwant 2 dedicate more and more time here but due 2 business cudn't do.
+== Prayer for Japan ==
-But this is also great 2 see u regularly visit the site.Kudos 2 u kindly keep it up.Thanks
-SSA
---Sarbjeet Singh [[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 01:01, 22 February 2008 (MST)
-<big>ਛੀਪਰੋ </big> = cẖẖīpro = calico-printer, see [http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Search&Param=english srigranth]. [[Bhagat Namdev]] was a "chipro" a cloth printer or painter.
+Veer ji, {{WKWF}}
-Chimmba, see {{wiki|Chhimba}} at Wikipedia is a profession; Chhimba comes from the word Chhippa which means the printer (chhappa).
+Many thanks for fixing my errors in the text relating to the above article; although I had read the article several times, I failed to "see" my own mistakes. I find that when I am tired, many more mistakes result.
-Regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 06:48, 22 February 2008 (MST)
+As always, I am most grateful to you. Many thanks also for improving the general standard of the writing on this website.
-== How r u ==
+I think I have been spending too many hours daily watching the awful scenes of the disaster; a very sad and heart-wrecking tragedy for the innocent people of Japan. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 12:21, 15 March 2011 (EDT)
-Allenwalla ji,
+== Sikh adverts & Derea walas ==
-SSA,
+Bhai Sahib ji, {{WKWF}}
-Whenever i visit sikhiwiki i see u r online.
+'''Ad Links''' I have noticed the advertising links by this user and I taken a few out when they were placed on articles having no association with the 5Ks but I have left others on articles related to the 5Ks.
-How r u u now?
-Wishing for ur gud health.May Waheguru keep u always in chardi kala.
+The reason for this is that some Sikh communities are not able to buy the 5Ks locally and these links possible provide a "much needed" service to these communities.
---Sarbjeet Singh [[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 23:08, 23 February 2008 (MST)
+For this reason, I believe that we should allow a few of these types of links of this sort but there will come a time when we have to perhaps place a restriction on these types of links and narrow them to a special page of say - something like - "Sikh artefacts retailers".
-==I think==
+At present as there are not too many of these links, I have let them stay provided they relate to the subject matter on that page. However, I think if we start getting too many of these links, we will have to rethink our position on this. Bhai sahib, what are your views on this?
-If you have redirected the link to wrong article simply edit the page and change the tag i.e #REDIRECT[[Right_Article_name]] your page will shifts to right article. i think you was asking the above baaki my english is subhan allah you know.[user:hpt_lucky]]
-== no problem & becoming more aware ==
-That was no problem at all. It's funny how we all behave in racist way without realising. You seem to have covered a broad spectrum of experiences in your background! Thanks for sharing. It is clear that as one get more involved with spiritual ideas, one learns so much about human nature! Hopefully, the ideas we share here at SikhiWiki will make us slightly better individuals. Best regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 06:47, 26 February 2008 (MST)
-Gud Mng Sir, i see u r on
+'''Ullus - (stupid, blind as) - Owls'''
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
+Bhai sahib, I could not find the remark - "spreading his blasphemy to the Ullus willing to listen" that you quote but I am of the same view as you; the Gurus could not engage in such language or behaviour.
-== [[Jacob Thomas]] ==
+Many Sikhs do not understand the deep message of the Gurus and very frequently misinterpret their words in a way to suit their own prejudices. I hope this helps but if you need me to look at the matter in more detail, please let me know where this quote appears. It is very dangerous to associate such language to our Gurus and if it is still present in the article, I would like to remove it immediately - the fact that I cannot find it perhaps means that it has been removed already.  Raab rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 04:18, 20 March 2011 (EDT)
-The reference to [[pahul]] seems fine - Obviously, the original 5 are not on this earth but the institution of 5 pyare will continue forever! Kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 23:01, 27 February 2008 (MST)
-==Allen Bhaa jee==
-First of all Sat Shri Akaal, Actually that article sikhism islam i am comparing some with gurus teachings. These lines are the base of every religon. Sikhism is monotheist & Islam is also monotheist religon. Practises are different. I am just comparing Quran & Living Guru as some teaching are similar
+Sir i hv already removed the word Ullu
+Sarbjeet Singh
-----
+== News and Sikhi related products ==
+Veer ji, {{WKWF}}
-== Muslim ==
+'''Sikhi related products''' I agree, it may be a better idea to group these adverts onto individual pages - I will try and start that in the near future as I am sure this trend is going to grow. I noticed that SikhKaras.com has approached Sikhnet and now appears on the sidebar - I think you did mentioned that for a similar website! Perhaps they have been listening to our conversation?
+'''News item''' The news item [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Dishonour-to-Sikhs-is-a-matter-of-national-insult-S-M-Krishna/articleshow/7770067.cms Dishonour to Sikhs...] is on the News section. Many thanks for the alert.
-Sir
+Raab Rakha, Waheguru's blessing to you and your family, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 06:28, 23 March 2011 (EDT)
-Mr Harpreet is doing a comparitive study of Muslim with Sikhs.
+== [[Kauda Bheel]] ==
-What u have said , u r r8 in ur views but as a sikh we have respect 4 every religion as taught and practised by our Great Gurus even if someone is wrong.
+Bhai sahib ji, {{WKWF}}
-Live example is : The foundation stone of Harmandir Sahib was laid by a Muslim.
+Many thanks for a most intriguing link - It is almost unbelievable!   500 years after the great Guru's mission in that region, we still have individuals who can engage in such a degrading and inhumane habit. I think the family must be devastated having lost a close member and then finding this!
-The picture being small and unclear of no use,I will try to find some new of the same. Anyway thanks 4 the efforts.
+I don't know about Islam but I think the Guru covers this in the general statements about killing beings:
+[http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1375&english=t&id=58664 Kabeer, they oppress living beings and kill them, and call it proper. When the Lord calls for their account, what will their condition be? ||199||] and also [http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1103&english=t&id=47392 You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action? You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ||2||].
+I think these statements make you wonder and question the whole aspect of killing other beings and the justifications advanced! Many thanks again for the link. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:30, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
-SSA
+== Anna Hazare ==
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 09:34, 29 February 2008 (MST)
+Veer ji, {{WKWF}}
-R8 sir the killing of innocents shud be condemded.
+Sorry for the late response. No coverage of this on UK news channels especially nothing on BBC News. There appears to be a lot of coverage of national news with Libya, Syria, Yemen and Japan coming a close second; unfortunately very little from India.
-Ur views are also respectworthy.Thanks
-Gudnight
-==Hello==
+I have Googled this and the news seems like an interesting development; corruption is still a big problem for many developing nations and India, in particular, is badly affected. Hopefully something good will come from his efforts. However, corruption within nations is like a huge locomotive train; it can take a very long time to stop. So unless drastic steps are taken, this national disease will not go away easily.
-[[Image:Cccchherehta.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Gurdwara Sahib]]
-What about this picture. No mai ka laal will able to delete the tag know  he ha ha ha ha ha ha.<br>
-OK well thats best to write in centre www.sikhiwiki.com(Transparent/Translucent Image). then putting logo here as people can easily remove the logo.
-Credit is to sikhiwiki not to me. i can upload it without logo too. But i  am working for this site and i do not want anybuddy else to use the source by putting their own logo. So its best to put the logo of website which i dedicated to. Your idea is cool. Actually i donot know the full functionality of adobe photoshop, else i will prepare a tag for sikhiwiki so that noone can delete it. The upper is just a demonstration.
-Sikhiwiki has faces some copyright problems with some websites like Sarabhlod and others as i took articles from there and throw them here. Their images were also copyrighted. But i used the same technique deleted the tags and all that. They start saying me that i will be prosecuted whatever. But they do not know the content they have is also not acceptable by many communities and if they do anything to me then i write letter to sikh highest authoroties about the contents over there and they will see them in future. Well this thing is not related with that. Actually when i read copyright on any sikhism website sarabl;oh comes in my mind and that [email protected] who used to write rubbish about me fr sake of money nothing else. Hari singh and others helped and take control on the whole matter. well leave that.
+Also, the higher you climb up on the political ladder, the more corruption you find. For this reason, the cleansing is going to doubly difficult. Anyway, I wish him well and hope that he will start something new in the nation. Many thanks for the alert; kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:25, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
-I understand what you want to say but not fully(My english is great you know). Well your idea is not bad its cool. I will try to work on it too. But lack of time and studies in between and non availability of internet at the place where i studies(140 KM from my city). I comes online when i come am at my home in weekends or 2. Take Care Good Afternoon Sat Shri Akaal..[[user:hpt_lucky]]
+== Peshawar & Rabab ==
-==[[Descendants]]==
+Bhai sahib ji, {{SSA}}
- Allenwala Wrote:
- SSA, Sir, was enjoying your article 'Descendants'
- (i guess of the people mentioned in article?)
- however i can find no picture, is there one? Somewhere?<br>
-The Article is about Descendants of [[Guru]]s or the pre-Sikhs(like [[Bhai Mardana]], [[Ghani Khan]]) simply, which are related to Gurus or great personalities of [[Sikh History]]). I had not uploaded the pictures for the same but know i have uploaded the pictures of the Descendants whose name were given in the said article. Enjoy the images. [[Rabb Rakha]] ([[User:Thegreateditor|Editor]] 06:17, 2 March 2008 (MST))
-== Gurbani Vocabulary ==
+Many thanks for the link. It is a great picture and I have downloaded it. I hope to use it for an article on manufacturing of this instrument when I have gather enough material to construct the article. It is a shame there was no write-up on the Rabab manufacturing or any other aspect of the instrument. Many thanks again; a useful resource for later. King regards and my good wishes, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:59, 13 May 2011 (EDT)
-.BIKH: poison
+Many thanks for being so alert and for reading my reply so carefully; as you had correctly gathered, I only downloaded and read the one picture and relating text. Thanks to your acute awareness, I now have 7 beautiful pictures for a future article. I'm most grateful to you. Guru's blessings and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:40, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
-.UPAAYE: created
+==Contribute Here==
+* [[Sikh Books]]
-.AVAR: no one else
+Regards
-.LOBHI: greedy
+([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 17:09, 30 May 2011 (EDT))
+== Wrong practise by new user ==
+Bhai Sahib ji,
-.LOBH:Greed
+Many thanks for the message and for asking about my and my family's well being; we are all in satisfactory health and in good spirits. I hope that you and your family too are keeping well.
+Thanks to your alertness, I have taken action to reverse the changes made by the user and sent him a message to make him/her aware of our policy in respect of making any major changes to any article. Hopefully s/he will take heed! Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 22:46, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
-.LUBHAANA:attracted
-.BISAAR: 4get
-.RAAKHE: protects
-.WADBHAAGI: lucky
-.TAARE: saves
+==Your views about it==
+Sometimes we use adjective with some words which makes feel that word have no greatness in itself for example:
+) Gursikh -> Devout Gursikh, as Gursikh is always devout
+) Gurmat -> Tatt Gurmat, as Gurmat is always Tatt, what is fake gurmat?
+) Great Devotee -> as devotee is always great, what is small devotee?
+and so on.
+Dhann Dhann Satgur Shri Guru Tegh Bahadur Maharaaj ji <---- When  we say SATGUR TEGH BAHADUR, itself imples that he is dhann dhann and  maharaaj(jis nun bakshe sifat salah nanak patshah patshah and sat purakh  jis janeya satgur tis ka naao).
+I think you understand what i want to convey. The words in Gurbani  like Gurmat, Gurmukh, Satgur etc etc etc. already are so great wordss  that it does not require any adjective.
+General Talk, what you feel ? Kindly share your great views <--- see again great!!!! :)
+([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 02:21, 31 May 2011 (EDT))
-.MUYE: dead
+== response by Gghatore ==
+Bhai sahib ji, {{SSA}}
+Many thanks for highlighting the response by Gghatore and for picking up what, as you say, is a common mistake made by many new users.
-.MAAHE: within
+Your help, keen eye and acute sense of responsibility is much appreciated. Many thanks again and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 14:37, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
+== Interesting article ==
+Bhai Sahib ji,
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 10:19, 3 March 2008 (MST)
+I could not find a link - May be it did not copy correctly - Please can you try again. I would love to read the article. No, I don't mind being called a infidel! or being labelled Hindu! Living in this world of extremes has taught me that tolerance is an essential part of survival and a necessity if you want peace in your life. Many thanks and warm regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 08:23, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
-Sir,
+== news from Elk Grove  ==
-The verb is also Daman  just like Read Read Read
-SS
-CONNECTIVITY PROBLEM
-== Things to do! ==
+Veer ji,
-Hi Richard,
+Many thanks for the link.
-If get a little time this week, please have a look at the following link and see if you can improve the articles listed there:
+It is a matter of great shame and pity that even when we have such a diverse, multi-cultural community in Elk Grove apparently living in harmony, there is still serious, deep rooted and sour enmity among at least a few of the members of this apparently peaceful community! It begs the question, when will the individuals of the human race begin to listen to the wise words of wisdom uttered by so many for so long! Was the mission of Lord Krishna, Jesus Christ, Moses, Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) and all the others in vain? At present, it look that way, doesn't it?
+Warm regards and my best wishes to you and your family, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 15:44, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
-== Hi ==
+== Killings in Elk Grove ==
-SSA bhaji,
+Veer ji, {{SSA}}
-Well i find nothing wrong with the word empire or kingdom. It is a fact Guru Ji sent Banda to punjab to get justice for the chotey sahibzadas. Beside doing this Banda also conquered many Haryana districts... So nothing wrong with it... i'll put it asap aswell on my profile and on the page.. SSA [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 13:25, 14 March 2008 (MDT)
+Many thanks for sharing your ideas about these terrible killings. Unfortunately, I could not access the first link as it requires a paid membership. However, I understand the point that you make. It is amazing how man had moved into another territory of crime to establish "honor"; this honor is about the same as the dreaded honor that many Asians feel when killing their daughters! A terrible development, whichever way one looks at it.
-* [[SikhiWiki:Articles needing attention]]
-I hope all's well at the western front! best wishes, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 22:10, 9 March 2008 (MDT)
+Innocent lives lost for what? This sort of irresponsible behaviour will only bring pain to society and the sooner we realise this, the better. Better education; better moral standards; better awareness; and higher values have to be established if we are to see real peace and happiness on this planet. This all appears to be a very distant dream at present! The Lord's blessings, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 02:10, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
 ----
-Translations for '''Sardar kae baranh waj gaye''' (Sardar, is it 12 O'clock) and "sardaar jee peechae ho jao, barahn baj gaye hain kyaa" (Sardar ji- stand back - is it 12 O'clock). In Punjabi, it is quite Ok to refer to people as clocks and say "What, have you struck 12 O'clock!" - "Key taray barah waaj-gay hah!". The word "taray" is "your" - so it like saying "your 12 o'clock".
+Many thanks for the image of the news item. It is a really sad bit of news in an otherwise peaceful area. How awful that so many people die daily from gun crime in the USA.
-Hope this helps, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 12:59, 10 March 2008 (MDT)
+There is an email on the news item; it may be an idea to send them an email to suggest the link between the two investigations involving Ford pickup trucks.
-== More ==
+Isn't it time to ban the free licence to carry a gun? It appears that a lot of lunatics in the USA like to carry and use guns to settle their differences. To me that is an appalling situation.
-Sir ji,
+Veer ji, stay safe and keep well, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:48, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
-SSA,
+== Mark Stroman's death ==
-sentnote,here r some more meanings
+Veer ji, {{SSA}}
-Glance of Grace: Kirpa
+Many thanks again for bringing another amazing story to my attention - the victim trying to save the assailant!  This is a really noble gesture and obviously a little foreign to the "American Way" where its an eye for an eye. Shame that another life is wastefully lost!
-CHOOKAI: removed
+I also read the story here - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/21/texas-executes-911-revenge-killer at one of our more renowned newspaper and also read Mr Storman's website. What becomes very clear is the poor moral and ethical standards of this person's understanding. He has "picked up" the hatred and prejudices portrayed in the media and has no education or understanding of a higher level of thinking or any higher awareness of the value of life.
-SAD: always
+It is like provoking a dog - its reaction is predetermined. Similarly, Mr Storman has been bombarded with the message of hatred and Islamophobia; of anger and ill-feelings against people who do not belong to the "American way"; of the rights of the "European race" or "white man" due to their "sacrifices". He can ill understand that there is a big world outside USA which also has their way of life (probably going back 1000's of years not just a few 1000's); and they too have "their" rights.
-HAJOOR: near & ever-present
+Shame that a society ill equips its citizens for the world that surround them and then when they react in the only way that they know, the system then continues to systematically kill them in the name of law! Just to quote from wikipedia: ''"Among juveniles  (for example, minors under the age of 16, 17, or 18, depending on legal  jurisdiction) serving in correctional facilities, 86% owned a gun at  some point, with 66% acquiring their first gun by age 14."'' If children are not taught self-discipline and the rights to life of others, and can get access to guns at an early age, it is natural that they will succumb to the power of the gun! It is the natural path to take.
+A very interesting story which opens many angles of discussion but the issue is totally sad and is wasteful existence for many caught in this web.
+Guns and force appears to rule the waves at present! There is no compassion or forgiveness in this brave new world. It is indeed sad that so many die each year and still the crime rate continues to climb. Better education; more integration; less flag waving; more diversification are probably needed! What do you think, Veer ji? Warm regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 12:08, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
-BANASPAT: plants
+== Worried  ==
+Veer ji, {{SSA}}
-MAULI: blossomed forth
+Many thanks for your message of concern. With the Lord's blessings everything is fine in our locality. Most of the looting and destruction is to businesses and their premises in a few isolated suburbs of London and to a lesser extent to a few other towns in England.
+Unfortunately, the pented-up pressure created by this long recession has found a leak in the disillusioned youth; this pressure is being released recklessly resulting in these riots. Today's demanding society has inflicted many wounds on the lives of its members and the youngsters have found this a way to vent their anger.
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 17:54, 10 March 2008 (MDT)
+Hopefully, the police will be out in larger numbers tonight and we hope that these rebels will realise that now there will be a bigger risk of arrest. So, maybe we will have less disturbance in the future. Many thanks for asking. Hope you too are keeping well. Warm regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 11:22, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
+== Problem, “Sain eeh bare Allah wale lok hun!”  and another ==
+Veer ji
-Sir,
+I think I am getting the same problem. I tried to do this reply on Sikhiwiki and it zapped me out. So I have prepared this on Wordpad and then posted it onto Sikhiwiki. I will send an email to the technical guys!
-SSA,
+Also, Veer ji many thanks for the links. I have read all the stories and they were very interesting; the one on Sufism was a little too detailed for me to follow fully but still enlightening. I will add more when I have a more stable system. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 21:08, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
+----
-.Actually in engineering line metalling means laying of layers of Aggregates of stones (pieces of stones of the desired size)
+Veer ji,
-and after laying layer of sand or dust compressing with road rollers.Hence having no relation to rust.
-All roads are made this way ,after metalling layers of Bitumen are laid called black topping.
-The roads u r talking about r only metalled roads.
-.Could not find which line is missing.
+The system now works for me. How is it for you?
+Warm regards, 18:08, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 03:10, 11 March 2008 (MDT)
+== Tragedy in Delhi ==
-==You was asking about==
+Veer ji, {{WKWF}}
-You were asking about movies relatd to sikhism there are three movies made on sikhism by a local director, Onle movie dedicated to Guru Arjun Dev and Guru Arjun Dev is not shown in whole movie. other on guru tegh bahadur & guru Tegh Bahadur is also not shown. We have to just assume that guru is presently here. Well if gurus were shown then movie must become too violent as you know what happened to both of them. ([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 06:38, 14 March 2008 (MDT))
-**Well i donot have the pictures but Rab mehar kare, insha allah, may god help i will click the images when it will arrive in the city where i will be. My Mother and sister had seen all weapons, guru's Hardwritten pages, 300 year old Guru Granth's Beer. But i was not at my place then. Now the jaloos will come to my college and then i will click all this if god's will will be there. Had you seen the movie passion of christ, you must have seen how openly they had shown the violence. ([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 10:46, 14 March 2008 (MDT))
-==Hello sir==
+Many thanks for the links to the tragedy that has taken place in Delhi; it is deeply disturbing news. More innocent people killed by cowards who behave in such a degrading and inhumane manner. May they all go to hell forever - never to return to this earth!  Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:27, 7 September 2011 (EDT)
-Well thanks for explaining me. But still.. I think after Baba Banda had done what Guru ji asked him Banda captured many districts in HAryana.... So what should he be called then??? A emperor or king? He commanded (other to akal purakh) over those regions... So in theory it is king right? Thanks in advance. [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 05:26, 15 March 2008 (MDT)
+== UK woman who has newly learned of Jallianwala Bagh massacre ==
-== [[Chittisinghpura Massacre]] ==
+Veer ji
-{{SSA}} Richard,
+Many thanks for the link - it's a great story and a worthy Sikh cause. I will set-up a link so that more UK readers can sign the petition. Excellent find! Warm regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 14:43, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
-Thanks for the suggestion - I am most grateful for your continued help and assistance; I have prepared the template for the mainpage - [http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Template:AOW127 Template:AOW127] and I will activate it before the 20th. Regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 09:20, 15 March 2008 (MDT)
+== Faujah Singh, runner in the news ==
-SSA veerji,
+Veer ji
-How are you? A tornado? Hope u r okay... Well i still don't see whats wrong with kingdom... lols... anyways i'm also busy with other articles like sikhi in europe and in countries like belgium, france, uk etc
+{{SSA}}. Hope all in well in your domain.
-Ja, ik kan nederlands praten. Ik ben nederlandstalig. Nederlands is mijn tweede taal.
+Many thanks for the link and timely reminder; I have put a short piece in the news section on the main page with a link to the news about this great achievement as narrated at the BBC website.
-Haanji. Sanu Punjabi bolni aundi hai. Eh tah saddi maa boli hai. Sab toh pehli bhasha jehdi mein bolda si oh Punjabi Si. Is ton baad main Dutch sikhi. Phir us ton bad English ate French. Jehdi panjvin bhasha meinu aundi hai oh hindi hai jehdi tv chon sikhi main.
+Warm regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:31, 17 October 2011 (EDT)
-Changa phir gal karange. Rab Rakha.. [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 06:47, 16 March 2008 (MDT)
+== Fauja Singh - No Guinness book record ==
-== MBS College of Engineering and Technology Jmmu  ==
+Veer ji, {{SSA}}
-SIR JI,
+Many thanks for the link. I will wait for a few more reports locally and then adds this sad development to the article.
-SSA,
+Kind regards, 17:45, 1 November 2011 (CDT)
-MBS College of Engineering and Technology Jmmu is affiliated to University of Jammu and recognised by AICTE NEW DELHI .
+== a story of interest ==
+Veer ji,
-Model school of Tech & Engineering is another college of Jammu.
+Many thanks for your message and the interesting link. I will create a news link when I get back to the UK. I am at present visiting India and as the broadband access here is restricted, I am unable to carry out my normal duties at Sikhiwiki.
+I am also concerned that you cannot edit articles at Sikhiwiki. That problem has been resolved and I would like to deal with this on my return. Please could you kindly give me a brief summary of the problems that you face in using our website.
+Kind regards,[[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 12:34, 22 November 2011 (CST)
- MBS College of Engineering and Technology Jmmu is related and run by Mahant sahib of [[Gurdwara Nangali Sahib (Poonch)]]. u r r8 Mukhi- Sevadar means Head Sevadar or Chief Caretaker but here the word has been used 4 the chief caretaker of the gurdwara sahib and other instituitions related with the dera. The gaddi has been started by 10bi padshahi.
+== Problems editing ==
+Veer ji, {{SSA}}
-Practically there the word Mahant Sahib is used.
+Many thanks for your detailed message. Luckily, after 3 years of trying, we were able to travel as a family to India; our 2 adult kids had never been to Punjab and finally, we were able to make it happen this year with the Lord's assistance.
+It is a challenging country to visit but has a tremendous amount of history and hence worth doing if at all possible. I hope that one day you will be able to come to India; as you say virtual visiting is also getting very good and is less prone to the pollution, dirt and heavy traffic!
-thanks,
---user:sarbjeet_1313me 06:44, 16 March 2008 (MDT)
+I had the same problem that you mention but eventually this has gone away. When the system asks for the two words to be entered, first refresh and get a new set of words by pressing the refresh button a few times to get an "easy" option of words; then enter the two words and the system will accept the answers.
-== Sorry for the delay ==
+I found that the first words never worded correctly and only by pressing the 'refresh' button did I get the system to work. So please try this and see if you can overcome this hurdle. I think that once you have answered this correctly, the system should refrain from this security check. Please let me know how you get on.
-Hi Richard, {{SSA}}
+Many thanks and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 04:24, 26 November 2011 (CST)
+----
+Veer ji,
-Sorry have been away at my wife's nephew's wedding for the last 3 days so have not been able to reply earlier. yes, ka-cch-aa is opposite of paa-kah which means solid; permanent; ripe - so kaaccha means temporary; feeble; unripe and when referring to a road, it means a mud road.
+I have made a few changes to your account. Could you please try a small editing session to test if this has cured the system problem.
-It is amazing how with a bit of research about one learns new and interesting facts about events that have taken place in the world recently which would have remained unknown if you had not stumbled on the story.
+Many thanks and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 13:21, 3 December 2011 (CST)
-morcha is like [[saka]] and means ''agitation'' or ''demonstration''
+== Problems editing ==
-Kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 19:27, 17 March 2008 (MDT)
+Veer ji, {{SSA}}
-==Sat Shri Akaal==
+Sorry to hear that the this problem continues; I too had to enter the Captcha words several times yesterday. Although this is annoying, I was able to continue after entering the two words. I have sent an email to the technical guys to see if they can disable this check. I keep you post on developments.
-Allenwala Wrote:-<br>
-'''why report so called miracles of ram rai, if his father forbid seeing or having anything to do with him why report that which got him banished. read through six.'''<br>
-'''horses generally have horses.'''<br>
-'''and some one with several daughters is most likely to have a son.'''<br>
-'''who recorded these. who were the witnesses?'''<br>
-'''when has telling on someone's fraud in eating a portion of mutton, been a miracle? '''<br>
-Well Santokh Singh Ghotra and some historians recorded some 10 - 15, but How it reaches upto 72 i dunno know that mystery. If you really want to know i think Baba Ram Rai Darbar at dehradoon must have the collections of his miracles. He preached guru nanak all the way after he got away from panth
-There are many typing errors(Gramatical), even logical errors too. I just translated the article from a book(Twarikh Guru Khalsa) to english i mean rough english and hope guys, like you, will correct it.
-But it is said that Baba Ram Rai shown many miracles and the last miracle which is the blunder i.e changing the line of gurbani took him away from the panth. He went to dehradoon and many people goes and bows at his darbar prays him and those people are reffered to ram rayiaas. If ram rai baba did not do that then he would be our eighth guru.
-Well he preached all way the guru nanak's bani like sri chand do, sri chand followers are called udasi and ram rai followers are called ram rayias and died a amazing death i.e was doing yoga and laid in deep meditation and people declared him dead and burned him and he was alive.([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 00:40, 18 March 2008 (MDT))
-== Hola ==
-{{SSA}} Richard
-"Follows" here is to convey the fact that although it is on the same day as holi, the Guru has given it a different significance - added to the "meaning" of this event; made it more relevant to the requirement of the time; rather than splashing colours on each other - go and get some martial training, etc - become a more fitter community - its not a different time frame.
-I think the timing is the day following the night of the full moon in March - spring time - in [[Chet]] or before chet.
-The first day of Chet is the [[Nanakshahi]] new year which is "sparsely" celebrated.
-In 1889, the British were controlling Punjab, but I believe that the Khalsa Diwan had local control and influence in matters relating to religion.
-Please make changes as you see fit based on above - the article is at: [[Hola Mohalla]] and the main page template at: [[Template:AOW16]]. If you need more info, please post on my talk page. Thanks and kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 21:14, 20 March 2008 (MDT)
+Please accept my sincere apologies for this inconvenience. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 09:06, 14 December 2011 (CST)
+----
-== MORE WORDS ==
+Veer ji,
+Please try again as I am told by the technical folks that the security feature has been stood down to the "minimum" setting!
+Regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 13:24, 14 December 2011 (CST)
-Hi Sir how r u,
-RATAA: imbued
-WADBHAAGA: by great good fortune
-LIV: concentration
-CHEET: mind
-DEEDAAR: Vision (Darshan)
-VESAAHO: faith, trust
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 08:30, 23 March 2008 (MDT)
-==Reply to  Gurdwara Tarhi Sahib 17:06, 19 March 2008 (MDT)==
-That potrait of Guru Gobind Singh has been installed in new building(Under Construction) & No Guru Granth Sahib is there(so that is a simple building for me), The Guru Granth sahib Parkash is in old building and i have that photograph but need some edits, I will take snap of new building in future, Chamkaur Sahib is around 40 - 50 KM from my house, when i will go there in future i will definately upload that building's pic.  Sorry for late response, i am not at home.
-I am not god in photo edits, i just know inserting logos etc i do not use any hi fi softwares, i think you have much more knowledge in photo editing. How you make the human there invisible i do not know. How you take logo from the pics and settle somewhere else i do not know it also. Which software you are using or tell me the technique. So howz life going, Enjoy sikhiwiki. Good luck. ([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 06:19, 25 March 2008 (MDT))
-== Akhnoor ==
-Sir,
-SSA,
-I HAVE UPLOADED 13 PHOTOS OF GURDWARA SAHIB OF AKHNOOR AS DESIRED BY YOU.
-KINDLY SEE THEM.
-THANKS
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-== [[Freedom to choose]] ==
-Hi Richard,
-Many thanks for the great effort that you have made with the above and other articles. I cannot express my gratitude in words but I hope the Lord will bless you for your dedication and hard work. May you have a very pleasant and satisfactory time knowing that you have done the highest form of seva/service for the Guru. Regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 10:41, 25 March 2008 (MDT)
-== ORKUT ==
-SIR
-SSA
-THANKS 4 THE RESPONSE ON AKHNOOR.
-REGARDIND UR QUESTION ON SHOE SERVICE,IT IS A CUSTOM IN EVERY GURDWARA SAHIB AND PART OF SEVA.
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---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 09:23, 26 March 2008 (MDT)
-== advent ==
-Sir regarding ur question
-''Best i can find the word advent refers to the incarnation (avatar) heaven to earth of Jesus and specifically his second coming or resurrection.
-Does advent refer to birth of Guru Gobind Singh?''
-ur right sir it has been refered here as the the birth of [[Guru Gobind Singh ]]
-SSA SIR
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 20:04, 27 March 2008 (MDT)
-== AOW - Gurdwara Shaheed Dr. Diwan Singh ==
-Hi Richard,
-Thanks to your comment ''"really worth the read."'' spotted on the recent changes page, I was prompted to put the article [[Gurdwara Shaheed Dr. Diwan Singh]] on the Main Page. Thanks for doing a wonderful job editing the articles and making those useful comments! [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 20:20, 27 March 2008 (MDT)
 ----
-Hi Richard,
-Thanks for the message. I think that generally as a society, we learn little about our own histories let alone that of others. It is a shame! Without this knowledge, it is difficult for us to aspire the younger generation and learn anything from the past. The guilty who have committed terrible crimes go free. Surely that cannot be right! The barbaric need to called barbaric so that in the future no one will tread on such a lowly path. I am not sure if this based on the book that you quote but it could be added as a reference for information purposes.
-Thanks again. Regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 11:09, 28 March 2008 (MDT)
+Veer ji, {{SSA}}
-==Sat Shri Akaal==
+It is upsetting to read the message that you are not even able to insert a single comma to a page. It may be due to the change that I made a few days ago; I have removed you from the bot group as this does not appear to be helping us. I hoping this will help you to continue editing the website.
-Sat Shri Akaal Allenwalla G,<br>
-'''Allenwalla Wrote''' - is poihi correct? or gurbdm? / gutkd to gutka/kateb and Qur'dn to - kitab or Qur'an/ potlhaka or potlaka?)
-* that correction i had made it is POTHI not POHIHI &
+As you know I too had this "captcha interruptions" every few edits and fortunately, I have some release from this at present due to complaints to the technical guys. Please see if the removal from the bot group has made any difference.
-* It was gurbani not gurbdm and
-* gutka is proper punjabi word not gutkb.
-* Kateb(Not Kitab) is a single word used for four Granths includes (Taurat: The Book of Moses), (Zabur: The Book of David), (Injil: New Testament) and Quran. Kateb word mostly used with Vedas as you know there are 4 Vedas too so Ved and Kateb comes together in bani. So Quran is a part of Kateb. It is likely that Guru Nanak met Christian and Jewish missionaries during his extensive travels to the west.
-* Kitab means Book, if holy book it is said Muqadas kitab like quran is a muqadas kitab. It is i think persion word.
-* potlhaka or potlaka? - From where you has taken these words??
-I had checked the pic of Dr. Diwan singh gurdwara there is no problem at all, that time i just put logo there as you can see in previous pics i used to put my user name. Know i am not doinbg so so good job by removing that name and to insert the tag of sikhiwiki. Dr. Diwan singh was a great man. Whenever japnese attacks on any country they did bad with the people lived over there. Read the artiocle the massacre & Rape of nanking you will get to know what japnese are, the same japnese did at Andamans. Many people even sikhs do not know about Dr. Diwan SIngh Kalepani. Doctor suffered a lottttttttttt there. What he was, actually that gurdwara was his home. If you really want to know what havoc happened to andaman islands you should visit there once in life.
+Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 09:01, 17 December 2011 (CST)
-The only mention of any attack on the Indian area, that i knew of, was one recorded in the logs of a Nihon Kaigun submarine which surfaced and lobbed a few shells into Columbo....................I Do not know about this. Japnese attacked india during second world war during that time they captured whole islands.I have visited the ross island of japnese, there i visited some protestant church and other old graveyards and bla bla. That island contains 350 deers and upto 150 Peacocks. Nice island. Well tour to Andaman was a great experience. Sat Shri Akaal ([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 09:40, 28 March 2008 (MDT))
-==Sat Shri Akaal Again==
-* During its construction Baa Modan Singh resides in the bark of Cheel Tree?
-Cheel is a tree , Modan singh who made the gurdwara resides and slept in the bark of tree in thunder cold weather, during construction of that, donot know the biological name i had seen that tree buit i donot have photo of the tree.
-* There is a flower named as Braham Kanwal that's Kanwal a flower of water. There this Kanwal is in rocks, * A flower called Braham Kanwal______________________. Now, along the path the flower grows in the rocks.
-Bramh Kamal not kanwal its like Kamal means lotus. This lotus grows in rocks.
-* Bhoj Patar’ ??
-Bhoj Patar are Big leaves of some tree, name i forgot, these leaves are used as plate for eating food, Mostly in india at various hindu's temples, they uses bhoj patar, bhoj means food, patar means a leave in which the food is served.
-* Sorry for poor english, today my friend have suffered a lot due to my poor english. A guy who tried to cheat from my answer sheet did not able to understand what i was writing. Hahahahaha Huh
-([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 04:36, 31 March 2008 (MDT))
-== been busy! sorry and thanks. ==
-Hi Richard
-Its been one of those days when I am just lost in this wonderful world of computers! Before you know it, its dark and 'time to hit the sack', as they say. Have your email - will respond soon. I was just creating a template in response to your email. Will talk on the other side! Thanks for your kind words. [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 18:29, 1 April 2008 (MDT)
-==sat sri akal==
-sat sri akal ji
-i already replied to u regarding french, dutch and punjabi
-""SSA veerji,
-How are you? A tornado? Hope u r okay... Well i still don't see whats wrong with kingdom... lols... anyways i'm also busy with other articles like sikhi in europe and in countries like belgium, france, uk etc
-Ja, ik kan nederlands praten. Ik ben nederlandstalig. Nederlands is mijn tweede taal.
-Haanji. Sanu Punjabi bolni aundi hai. Eh tah saddi maa boli hai. Sab toh pehli bhasha jehdi mein bolda si oh Punjabi Si. Is ton baad main Dutch sikhi. Phir us ton bad English ate French. Jehdi panjvin bhasha meinu aundi hai oh hindi hai jehdi tv chon sikhi main.
-Changa phir gal karange. Rab Rakha.. Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 06:47, 16 March 2008 (MDT) ""
-anyways, i'll be putting more articles and by the end of april, by wahegurus grace, i would have created around 100 pages. and btw, how are you? (with the tornado thing) [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 07:41, 3 April 2008 (MDT)
-==hello==
-hello sir,
-really sad to hear about that tornado.. your language skills impress me.. how many languages can u speak/understand?
-and yeh
-about shaheed singhs, they can give their appearence to ANYONE, even a Mona Sikh. But they Protect gursikhs three months after theyve taken amrit. This is like a trial period. If they keep rehit it is prelonged till the moment they break rehit. If in the first three months they break rehit, then there is high chance that they will never appear again.
-and for the gurdwaras in pakistan my source is a book of Iqbal Qaiser and also some sites on the net. After completing Gurdwaras in Pakistan, where there will be 150 articles on the 150 known gurdwaras of pakistan i'll shift to making biographies of shaheeds and also sikh battles. talk to u soon again. [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 14:22, 3 April 2008 (MDT)
-==Richard Veerae==
-check the link here it is given that guru nanak visited rome this man harpal singh have various evidences even he had found where he went and where he stayed http://thetruthnevergetsold.weebly.com/photos.html . Amazing link and knowledgeable.([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 23:06, 4 April 2008 (MDT))
-==Hello==
-Hello sir. Thanks for clearifying. But u still didnt answr me. How many languages can u speak/understand?
-"sorry if u didnt like it? what did i not like, ish ka bibel! i did miss the context glad to see you liked the headline. also glad to see you add the languages on your user page very impressive.
-one thing you could answer for me- the word chakk (chak Nanaka) sometimes appears to be used in place of village
-and chandini chawk or chowk , possibly a square? any thoughts on the word would be appreciated, Raab Rakah, richard ---
-Retrieved from "http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra""
-Oh thx. I liked it. no need to say sorry. oh yeh the headline is good. thx for the comment on languages.
-and i asked me father to be secure about those words and chak has several meanings:
-) to bite
-) piece of agricultural land
-) village
-) potters wheel
-i think about Chak Nanaka means Village Nanaka
-and chowk means square
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 04:57, 5 April 2008 (MDT)
-Sir ji,
- SSA,
-Kindly see [[Jagriti Yatra at Jammu]]
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 06:02, 5 April 2008 (MDT)
-==Hello sir==
-Your welcome sir. And thanks for editing. Many valuable things have been added to that article, only because of your efforts. Thanks again. However i'll correct some phrases (not more than 3-4).... But it is quite possible and logical of what you said that they already knew before it. But neither u or neither me were there, so u could be write but mine could be right too. And could u please also give special attention to these pages: (I know you won't be able to add much, because there isn't much info about these)
-#[[Manochal Encounter]]
-#[[Vrana Encounter]]
-These articles can't even be called stubs. they have basically no information. so try to add some lines based on assuptions, because i see that you are good at that. like Baba Manochal was surrounder at village manochal. You can say he was visiting his family at manochal or he was hiding at manochal or whatever lol.
-But some of the following have much information but need copyediting, correction of spelling mistakes, grammar and some more lines with assumptions etc
-#[[Manochal Encounter (1985)]]
-#[[Rataul Encounter]]
-#[[Behla Encounter]]
-#[[Sarhali Bridge Encounter]]
-#[[Manakpur Encounter]] (HERE A QUITE BIG MIRACLE HAPPENED, keep that in mind)
-You think maybe i'm going to contributr to sikhiwiki. But thats wrong. I just had vacations of 2 weeks from skool so i contributed here. But exams are nearing and i have to study. Vacations are finished tommorow. So after that i wont come that regurly. And yes my support for sikhi and khalistan is because of my father, a khalistani himself. My far related uncles were big kharkoos: [[Manjit Singh Babbar]] & [[Talwinder Singh Canadian]]. So they both are my role models amongst sant ji.
-Another mega article i will be working on is [[Operation Blue Star]] and my biggest problem is to find the shaheeds of it. According to a book with the pic of all shaheeds of the operation there were 207 shaheeds. But even in that books the shaheedi date of many is not known. There are maybe tons of shaheeds that are marked like this
-Name -
-Group -
-Father -
-Mother -
-Date of Shaheedi: 4-5 June/6-7 june
-I hope you get what i mean. So please also help me with that article. I know that this is a big demand, but still only you can help me.
-Thanks in advance
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 10:32, 5 April 2008 (MDT)
-==wow==
-You have some great language skills!!! i'm too impressed. and your book will it be in punjabi or english?? [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 10:49, 5 April 2008 (MDT)
-==Sat Shri Akaal==
-Well That man is Harpal Singh Kasoor the owner of that website. I do not have passport(Lol) will apply soon. What you think on the facts given by him??
-Tell me one thing "mentality of christians about sikhs". The photograph of a man which met me at gurdwara Bhai Joga Singh name amrik Singh Hundal photograph is there, is mukh sewadar and founder of that place, have keen knowledge and great thinkings will write about them in article. He told when he was at cannada some people, who thought that they were christians start abusing mr. hundal and passing wrong comments to his turban, once he ignored second time they passed comment about beard, You are not a man you looks like a monkey,  hundal sir stops and asked that who is your dharam guru/God. they replied jesus, hundal said ok go and bring photograph of jesus. Those lips were sealed. And a great fact Mr. Hundal Said that i love my guru as my father and i am his son and thats why i have adopted this attire. He advices me no one is big no one is small but belief of every religon do not support say something wrong about other religons, and also adviced me never think sikhism is great of all and every religon is small. Never hurt other sentiments.........well will write article there and you have to make grammatical corrections he gave me 2 hour lecture without pause for breath.([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 11:10, 5 April 2008 (MDT))
-== back ==
-Sir,
-ssa,
-recd notes,will be back 2 u shortly.
-see [[Jagriti Yatra at Kathua]]
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 09:01, 8 April 2008 (MDT)
-== Answers? Phew don't know! ==
-{{SSA}} Richard ji,
-'''Shaheedi articles''' - I suppose, it is always interesting/intriguing  when a person is prepared to die or to be tortured for a cause.  We wonder why these men or women want to endure such pain and hardship or even death! Then when we see one article on shaheedi, it reminds another person of another shaheedi and so the whole thing escalates! We have a long list of Shaheeds - hopefully we will go on to other topics soon.
-'''umbrella in Sikhi imagery''' - It has always been the custom to "protect" the guru by using a canopy like a umbrella on a long handle and I believe that this idea has been extended to the architecture as a sign of reverence and respect for the Guru. The idea is extended to the SGGS when there is always a draping called a "[[chanani]]" - like a huge umbrella but without a handle above the Guru. The [[chanani]] is also used when the SGGS is move in rain, etc. I don't think that it is linked to the idea of a "celestial world" - but you never know!
-'''Nishan Sahib (NS) includes covering on pole - Why?''' Very interesting question! I have no idea why the pole is covered but the belief/custom is this:
-Nishan means mark - The NS marks the place where the Guru resides. The flag is the symbol of the Guru and all the values of the Guru - fairness, equality, etc, etc. So you will see Sikhs go and bow to the NS as a sign of respect for the values that this symbolises, transmits and advertises. The NS is respected as a "person" not the same way as the Guru but a little like that and carefully and respectful washed with yogurt (which probably was used as soap) and is then "dressed" like a person. When the NS dress is changed, it is done as a big event where the sangat takes pride in bathing the NS, drying and then dressing the NS.
-Does not answer the question but you may "see" something in this custom which is not clear to us old timer Sikhs! (may be forgotten like the pineapple custom)
-'''Pineapple''' Wow!
-'''Coconut and 5 paise''' Yes, I know when the new Guru was appointed, a coconut and 5 paise were given as a gift to the new Guru by the "out-going" Guru. I don't know why this was done apart from the symbolic act of transferring the Guruship in the eyes of all those present to the new Guru.
-'''Image:A-VERSION-WITH-SIKHISM.jpg''' I think you are right when you say this is a busy graphic. What if we change the stars to circles, ellipses or triangles? May be it will calm things down - esp if the symbols fit in the rim of the [[chakkar]]. I like the khanda piercing anger. So as a 2nd development the [[khanda]]s could pierce the remaining 4 evils!
-Gosh - thats a lot to write and TO READ! Hope you find it interesting. Kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 18:16, 8 April 2008 (MDT)
-==ssa==
-Well good points sir. Yes that article isn't mine. (of Sher Singh Shera). But i will try to edit and correct it asap. Anyways, how are the edits going? And hows life? [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 10:30, 9 April 2008 (MDT)
-==ssa==
-I corrected the whole article of Sher Shera. Please checkout and reply/ [[Sher Singh Shera]]
-== Shaheedi ==
-{{SSA}} Richard ji
-This is a concept which is much misunderstood around the world. It is difficult to support some of the acts that some organisations including the Sikhs have adopted.
-To kill even one innocent person cannot be called martyrdom!  To destroy property of the innocent cannot be called martyrdom. I agree with you that many youth these days have moved away from Naam and Sewa but have aspiration of Shaheedi! Wow - how can that be?
-The sacrifice of the Gurus cannot be matched as {{G10}} say in [[Bachitar Natak]]:
-"He burst the bonds of mortal clay and went on to the abode of God.
-No one ever performed an act as noble as did Tegh Bahadur.
-With the departure of Tegh Bahadur, the world was stricken with sorrow.
-A wail of horror rent the earth, A victor's welcome by the dwellers of heaven."
-Brainwashing children to commit suicide is unforgivable - How will they repay the debt!
-To die or "stand in harms way" to save the innocent makes sense and I can understand the tear for this brave Seal! We praise and support such folks who are pursuing the path of righteousness.
-As you say, a Sikh cannot support the idea of suicide even in extreme situations - The Japanese are difficult to understand - They have a tinted past. And this practise is very awkward; also the "kamakazi" pilots - very difficult to understand or support.
-I agree that the Mughals could not have been defeated if the Sikhs had followed the example of the Japanese; the Sikh VC list would be very short!
-Kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 20:06, 10 April 2008 (MDT)
-:  [[Chanani]] is canopy so yes blue cloth canopy is indeed chanani. The wooden structure to carry the Guru is called a [[Palki]]. The small "bed" like structure on which the Guru is placed is called the [[Manji Sahib]]. A bit confusing but we are getting there. [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 20:22, 10 April 2008 (MDT)
-==Hey==
-Oh well thx richard ji. I will try to look it as the date mentioned sept 20 1983. Only thing related to sant ji that happened on that date was what i wrote on it.... so i dont know really and will change it... [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 08:44, 11 April 2008 (MDT)
-== OCR problem in articles ==
-Hi Richard
-Saw your call for help! The "ri" may be a "n". I will try and list common OCR scanning errors. off to get some sleep! kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 00:03, 12 April 2008 (MDT)
-==sat sri akal ji==
-ssa ji
-oh cool to learn
-schol started 4 days ago.. its weekend now.. we hadn't much work so i still did some work on some pages...
-saw ur changes to gurdwara kali devi.. its very good!! keep it up! [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 05:43, 12 April 2008 (MDT)
-== Did the Guru's perform miracles? ==
-Hi Richard ji, SSA
-I think it boils down to whether one believes that the Gurus went out of their way to perform miracles or not. I believe that they did not. However, miracles may have happened around them - In the [[Bachitar Natak]] Guru sahib says in chapter 5 - [[The Spiritual Kings]] verse 14: ''"The saints of the Lord abhor the performance of miracles and malpractices. 14."''
-It appears that they do not want to influence the Hukam - will of the Lord. The sakhi of [[Baba Atal]] is another bit of evidence that pushes me into believing that miracles were not performed if at all possible to avoid - they have negative karmic influence - which I am sure that the Guru could counter but why do it if it is not necessary.
-So I feel that the Guru would not have actually killed the 5 but I could be wrong - I can't be 100% sure. We can never prove what actually happened. So to save argument, I have looked at it from the angle of the sangat. The sangat definitely believed that the 5 had died - just like in the movies - but this was for real right in front of their eyes!
-And I think that's what matters - doesn't it? What do you think? regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 18:21, 13 April 2008 (MDT)
-== congrats ==
-waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh,
-Khalsa de sajna devas de lakh lakh mubarkhan hoven aap ji ate aap ji de parivar nu.
-[congrats to u and ur family on the occasion of Saajna Divas of Khalsa].
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 20:33, 13 April 2008 (MDT)
-== Lakhi jungle ==
-Hi Richard: Apparently,  "The forest of a hundred thousand trees" in Central Punjab. Will double check, soon. [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 12:09, 14 April 2008 (MDT)
-== Thanks for edit... ==
-Dear Allenwalla,
-Thanks for your contribution to [[Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji Dhadrianwale]] page.
-Hope you remain in Chardhi Kalaa!
-Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!!
-== SSA Richard ji ==
-Sir,
-gud 2 see u. Wishing u a happy time at SF.
-Thanks
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 21:38, 15 April 2008 (MDT)
-==Hey==
-Hello
-I'm against them.
-my view is same as this: [[SikhiWiki:Anti Sikhi articles]]
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 07:45, 16 April 2008 (MDT)
-==WJKK WJKF==
-Hello sir,
-Well thanks for your comments and with guru ji's mehar i'll keep updating and contributing too them.
-Sorry to hear about your wife's uncle.
-What was the cause?
-Sad to hear that.
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 11:36, 18 April 2008 (MDT)
-oh
-still very bad to hear.....
-Hello sir,
-Sad to  hear about the flight. May waheguru bless uncle jis soul. The photo with the beed... Well sorry to say but for me it looked ugly.... I mean sir, if u want u can put it back too.... And this pic, i've seen u posting somewhere that the pic of maharaja and hari singh along with british generals is fake... But i don't think so.. If it is.. Then who are these persons? And the so-called portraits of mahraja were mostly made after his demise... And yh thanks for correcting spelling mistakes. Surely it is GURDWARA. ~~
-== [[Hari Singh Nalwa]] ==
-Hi Richard,
-I have looked at the blog article but I am not convinced by this article. The photo appears genuine and is used at several Gurdwaras. Just because it does not look similar to sketches of the time is not a scientific analysis or a proper way to do comparisons - a lot of emotive text but no real hard reasoning. I remain convinced that this is not a fake. Thanks for highlighting the blog article. Kind regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 09:00, 19 April 2008 (MDT)
-==Fateh==
-Fateh jio.
-The Did You Know article is mainly for youth to know some unknown or amazing facts that not many know. Please add some other facts in that template.
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 09:27, 19 April 2008 (MDT)
-== user message ==
-{{Please read}}
-== Sir ji, ==
-u r r8 Veer means brother in punjabi.
-SSA,
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 22:07, 19 April 2008 (MDT)
-Hello sir
-Regarding to ur edits to Did You know... i added the words they with purpose to sound more respectful... anyways
-how do u like this article:
-[[Baba Moti Ram Mehra]]
-personally i just love the article (i think my best article till date) (good info, no or little spelling mistakes, many links to other words etc). [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 10:28, 20 April 2008 (MDT)
-its fine and good isnt it?
-Oh thats fine [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 11:24, 20 April 2008 (MDT)
-Thx sir [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 11:30, 20 April 2008 (MDT)
-==Hello==
-Hello sir,
-I hadnt read ur message well.. u said:
-'''My understanding is that, while many Sikhs may add superlatives to the Guru's names, out of respect to the Gurus, is that they, the Gurus, did consider themselves mortal men -sons of God, Waheguru, as every other human was a son or child of God.
-I remember Guru Gobind Singh, if i remember correctly, having a few choice words to say for anyone who would promote him to such a status. '''
-But this gurbani quotation clearly shows that all gurus were waheguru themselve:
-Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Gond on Ang 864
-goNf mhlw 5 ]
-go(n)add mehalaa 5 ||
-Gond, Fifth Mehla:
-guru myrI pUjw guru goibMdu ]
-gur maeree poojaa gur gobi(n)dh ||
-I worship and adore my Guru; the Guru is the Lord of the Universe.
-guru myrw pwrbRhmu guru BgvMqu ]
-gur maeraa paarabreham gur bhagava(n)th ||
-My Guru is the Supreme Lord God; the Guru is the Lord God.
-guru myrw dyau AlK AByau ]
-gur maeraa dhaeo alakh abhaeo ||
-My Guru is divine, invisible and mysterious.
-srb pUj crn gur syau ]1]
-sarab pooj charan gur saeo ||1||
-I serve at the Guru's feet, which are worshipped by all. ||1||
-gur ibnu Avru nwhI mY Qwau ]
-gur bin avar naahee mai thhaao ||
-Without the Guru, I have no other place at all.
-Anidnu jpau gurU gur nwau ]1] rhwau ]
-anadhin japo guroo gur naao ||1|| rehaao ||
-Night and day, I chant the Name of Guru, Guru. ||1||Pause||
-guru myrw igAwnu guru irdY iDAwnu ]
-gur maeraa giaan gur ridhai dhhiaan ||
-The Guru is my spiritual wisdom, the Guru is the meditation within my heart.
-guru gopwlu purKu Bgvwnu ]
-gur gopaal purakh bhagavaan ||
-The Guru is the Lord of the World, the Primal Being, the Lord God.
-gur kI srix rhau kr joir ]
-gur kee saran reho kar jor ||
-With my palms pressed together, I remain in the Guru's Sanctuary.
-gurU ibnw mY nwhI horu ]2]
-guroo binaa mai naahee hor ||2||
-Without the Guru, I have no other at all. ||2||
-guru boihQu qwry Bv pwir ]
-gur bohithh thaarae bhav paar ||
-The Guru is the boat to cross over the terrifying world-ocean.
-gur syvw jm qy Cutkwir ]
-gur saevaa jam thae shhuttakaar ||
-Serving the Guru, one is released from the Messenger of Death.
-AMDkwr mih gur mMqRü aujwrw ]
-a(n)dhhakaar mehi gur ma(n)thra oujaaraa ||
-In the darkness, the Guru's Mantra shines forth.
-gur kY sMig sgl insqwrw ]3]
-gur kai sa(n)g sagal nisathaaraa ||3||
-With the Guru, all are saved. ||3||
-guru pUrw pweIAY vfBwgI ]
-gur pooraa paaeeai vaddabhaagee ||
-The Perfect Guru is found, by great good fortune.
-gur kI syvw dUKu n lwgI ]
-gur kee saevaa dhookh n laagee ||
-Serving the Guru, pain does not afflict anyone.
-gur kw sbdu n mytY koie ]
-gur kaa sabadh n maettai koe ||
-No one can erase the Word of the Guru's Shabad.
-'''guru nwnku nwnku hir soie ]4]7]9]'''
-'''gur naanak naanak har soe ||4||7||9||'''
-'''Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself. ||4||7||9||'''
-Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Gond on Ang 864
-goNf mhlw 5 ]
-go(n)add mehalaa 5 ||
-Gond, Fifth Mehla:
-gurU gurU guru kir mn mor ]
-guroo guroo gur kar man mor ||
-Chant Guru, Guru, Guru, O my mind.
-gurU ibnw mY nwhI hor ]
-guroo binaa mai naahee hor ||
-I have no other than the Guru.
-gur kI tyk rhhu idnu rwiq ]
-gur kee ttaek rehahu dhin raath ||
-I lean upon the Support of the Guru, day and night.
-jw kI koie n mytY dwiq ]1]
-jaa kee koe n maettai dhaath ||1||
-No one can decrease His bounty. ||1||
-'''guru prmysru eyko jwxu ]'''
-'''gur paramaesar eaeko jaan ||'''
-'''Know that the Guru and the Transcendent Lord are One.'''
-jo iqsu BwvY so prvwxu ]1] rhwau ]
-jo this bhaavai so paravaan ||1|| rehaao ||
-Whatever pleases Him is acceptable and approved. ||1||Pause||
-gur crxI jw kw mnu lwgY ]
-gur charanee jaa kaa man laagai ||
-One whose mind is attached to the Guru's feet
-dUKu drdu BRmu qw kw BwgY ]
-dhookh dharadh bhram thaa kaa bhaagai ||
-his pains, sufferings and doubts run away.
-gur kI syvw pwey mwnu ]
-gur kee saevaa paaeae maan ||
-Serving the Guru, honor is obtained.
-gur aUpir sdw kurbwnu ]2]
-gur oopar sadhaa kurabaan ||2||
-I am forever a sacrifice to the Guru. ||2||
-gur kw drsnu dyiK inhwl ]
-gur kaa dharasan dhaekh nihaal ||
-Gazing upon the Blessed Vision of the Guru's Darshan, I am exalted.
-gur ky syvk kI pUrn Gwl ]
-gur kae saevak kee pooran ghaal ||
-The work of the Guru's servant is perfect.
-gur ky syvk kau duKu n ibAwpY ]
-gur kae saevak ko dhukh n biaapai ||
-Pain does not afflict the Guru's servant.
-gur kw syvku dh idis jwpY ]3]
-gur kaa saevak dheh dhis jaapai ||3||
-The Guru's servant is famous in the ten directions. ||3||
-gur kI mihmw kQnu n jwie ]
-gur kee mehimaa kathhan n jaae ||
-The Guru's glory cannot be described.
-pwrbRhmu guru rihAw smwie ]
-paarabreham gur rehiaa samaae ||
-The Guru remains absorbed in the Supreme Lord God.
-khu nwnk jw ky pUry Bwg ]
-kahu naanak jaa kae poorae bhaag ||
-Says Nanak, one who is blessed with perfect destiny
-gur crxI qw kw mnu lwg ]4]6]8]
-gur charanee thaa kaa man laag ||4||6||8||
-- his mind is attached to the Guru's feet. ||4||6||8||
-Hope to have solved your 'doubts'.
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 11:38, 20 April 2008 (MDT)
-==Hi==
-Yes this are words by Guru Arjan. As you know when a guruship is passed to another guru same time the light too passes.. So Guru Arjan had the same light as guru nanakji
-And i agree with your stance and ur evidence: the mool mantar
-some views on the subject from the net
-<blockquote>Guru Ji wanted us to worship Akal Purakh only, and was not like the previous avtars who made people worship themselves. Of course there is no difference between SatGuru and Akal Purakh, but worship is only for Akal Purakh. This is the reason we don't worship images/idols of the Gurus, although some say its ok to keep them as a token of remembrance alone. H2O is in the form of solid (ice), liquid (water), and gas (water vapor), but which one can you drink? Only water which is the liquid form. One can't drink the solid or the gaseous form, even though all 3 are the same in composition (H2O). Same way, Bani Guru Guru hai Bani, Gur Parmesar eko jaan, therefore Bani = Guru = Vaaheguroo, but we worship only Vaaheguroo.</blockquote>
 ----
-<blockquote>Nimrita. As Guru Sahib wrote in Sri Dasm Granth (particularly Chaubis Avtar and Bachitar Natak), all previous Avtars succumbed to haumai and had their followers worship them.
-There was also a danger that people would get attached to that particular sareer and fall into a form of idol worship. It happens today as well, we call Guru Granth Sahib Ji our Guru, matha tek, prevent beadbi etc but can't be bothered to follow the teachings.
+Veer ji {{SSA}},
-</blockquote>
-----
-<blockquote>No difference. The Guru and God are truly one, yet the guru says to be lowest of the low, servant of his entire creation but this his nimrata. In reality, he is the highest of high. He is one with God. He lives under the hukam. Its just God in human body!</blockquote>
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 08:44, 21 April 2008 (MDT)
+I am terribly sorry that you continue to have this problem. However, it was good that you were able to get past the "Captcha security screen" but I cannot understand the logging out from the system - I have never had that. I still get the captcha screen now and then but there has been an improvement recently as I am able to do useful work without interruption.
+I will send you an email asking for certain details and we will try and see if we can improve the situation. Please let me know if there are any improvements in the meantime.
+Another option is to temporarily create a new user account - say "allenwalla2" or even "aw2" and see if that behaves any better. At least then we will know if it is related to the username or your ip address.
+Warm regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 11:55, 19 December 2011 (CST)
+== Sikhiwiki problems - urgent ==
+Veer ji,
+I tried to email you but the email bounced back. Please can you contact me by email at [email protected] - Many thanks. 12:48, 20 December 2011 (CST)
+== problems editing  ==
-== Boggey ==
+Veer ji,
+Please refer to my email that I have sent to you just now. Many thanks and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:08, 8 January 2012 (CST)
-Sir,
+==Thanks for the link==
-Satsriakal ji,
-Hope everything is well now.
+Veer ji,
-In India coatch of a train is called Boggey,usually i think it's berth class is 72 seater,I dont know wat u call it.
+Many thanks for the link. I have not read it yet but marked it for reading in the morning. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:17, 13 February 2012 (CST)
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 10:55, 21 April 2008 (MDT)
+== A Bit of News ==
-yes very true!! i too can't read so wellpunjabi.... :( [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 14:17, 23 April 2008 (MDT)
+Veer ji,
-==SAT SRI AKAL==
+That is indeed very good news. Hopefully, it will lead to a better understanding among the different communities that make up the capital city. I will post a link to the article in the news section soon. Many thanks and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 07:43, 17 May 2012 (CDT)
-Hello ji. I don't think that the person meant me... But it is very possible that he meant that.. And thank you very much for the congrats.... I'll keep doin so.. And yeah.. I hgave both parents.... But my father has more knowledge on sikhi than my mother.. so thats why i often mention my father...
+==Another possible news post ==
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 09:51, 25 April 2008 (MDT)
+Veer ji, Many thanks for another interesting looking link. I will read this in more detail in the next few days and assess it at the next update of the news & interesting links. I am most grateful for your suggestions. Many thanks again and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:27, 24 May 2012 (CDT)
+== Neighbors and the world  ==
-== [[Nitnem]] ==
+Veer ji, {{WKWF}}
+Many thanks again for the link; a sad development but one hopes that their deaths will not be in complete vain. It is obvious that the message of peace, unity and the brotherhood of human kind had not reached the killer. Despite the 500+ years, still many have not heard the loving words of Guru Nanak yet!
-Sir ji,
+Sorry to hear about your struggles with Sikhiwiki logons - I am able to work reliably now; at times I have worked for hours with no interruptions. It frequently presents a [http://www.google.com/recaptcha/captcha Captcha] screen at the first edit but then let me continue in peace! Do you think that the problem you are having with Sikhiwiki editing is fixable? Do you use Windows or Mac system? Please could you give me some background to the system that you use to see if we can get to the bottom of this issue?
-SSA,
+Many thanks; Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 23:16, 11 August 2012 (CDT)
-CUD NT LOGIN DUE TO BUSINESS.
-KEEPING OURSELVES GUD HERE ,
-REGARDING UR QUESTION A SIKH HAS TO WAKE UP EARLY MORNING called [[Amrit Vela]] AND AFTER HAVING A BATH CALLED Ishnan
+== I came from the dreamtime ==
-HAVE TO RECITE THE GURU KU KI BANI [[Nitnem]] followed by [[Ardas]].
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 12:02, 26 April 2008 (MDT)
+Veer ji, {{WKWF}}
-== Is Siri a typo? ==
+Many thanks; an interesting nostalgic story about the good old bygone days. I am most grateful for the link. [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 21:25, 30 August 2012 (CDT)
-Hi Richard,
-No, I don't think Siri is a typo. It can be spelt as Sri or Shri or as Siri. These are different versions of the same word which is pronounced slightly differently. Typing Siri Singh in Google produces 138,000 results - I don't know what that means but perhaps it shows that many people use the word Siri. Unfortunately, it creates a problem for writers but its one of those things. I personally prefer Sri but all 3 appear equally well used! I hope this helps? Regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 19:53, 26 April 2008 (MDT)
+==Bicycle, 21 Rupees and Lala Pindi memories==
-== [[Navneet Singh Khadian]] ==
+Veer ji, {{WKWF}}
-Thanks for the kind motivation on [[Sukhdev Singh Babbar]] and [[Navneet Singh Khadian]] articles.
-Regarding, [[Navneet Singh Khadian]], rec'ce - means - Reconnaissance means -  An inspection or exploration of an area, especially one made to gather military information. And @ means 'alias'.
+Many thanks for another beautiful story. If only the human race had the same freedom that wild animals or birds have, we would not be confined by the iron bars called borders! Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 19:47, 25 October 2012 (CDT)
-Please check my other artickes [[Harjinder Singh Jinda]], [[Sukhdev Singh Sukha]], [[General Labh Singh]] and [[Gurdev Singh Debu]] as well and please let me know if I anything is needed to be improved out there as well. I need some help over here, [[Gurdev Singh Debu]] was boiled alive and pictures of his boiled body are available online, but these might be protected by copyrights. Would you please try getting these pictures for Sikhiwiki and/or wikipedia please.
+== The death of a Maharaja - Indeed, ''"a hero's luster is never tarnished"''.==
-Also, I have read a lot of information regarding Khalistan Movement, the related personalities and huge number of crimes committed by Indian security forces in some of the north-Indian newspapers, but unfortunately this information is not available online. For example, [http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/forms/archive.htm The Tribune], one of north-Indian newspapers does not have any online editions prior to year 2001 and [http://www.ajitjalandhar.com Ajit], a regional newspaper of India etc did not have any online editions untill very recently. Also, India’s National magazine, [http://www.frontlineonnet.com/arc9700.htm Frontline] does not have archive records prior to 1997. Any advice on this matter please...--[[User:Singh6|Singh6]] 16:58, 28 April 2008 (MDT)
+Veer ji, {{WKWF}}
-==Hello==
+Again, many thanks for sending me the link - it was a most interesting article on the actual death and the non-Sikhi practise of Sati by the Hindu queens of the Maharaja. I am saddened that no one even attempted to save the poor souls from this deeply evil custom.
-Hello ji. That article isn't written by me. Nice changes.
+Regarding the sewa during the the storm in New York and New Jersey - It is about time we have more Sikhs helping the needy and deserving in their local communities rather than serving langar to the full and satiated among themselves; great work and I hope we will see more of this type of sewa in the future. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:07, 12 November 2012 (CST)
-Khalistan will be a sort of Demoratic Theocratic state. Democratic that the population, regardless of faith could choose the president and theocracy by the national anthem and prime minister and president will be Sikhs. Everyone will have rights. But its quite difficult.. Most of us are dreaming right now.. And maybe when it will be established, corrupt leaders like Prakash Badal and our gurdwara pardhans will (maybe) takeover khalistan... And that may result into a Sikh version of Pakistan.. [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 08:33, 29 April 2008 (MDT)
+== Acknowledgement - late but not never!==
+Veer ji, {{WKWF}}
-==Gurfateh==
+Today, I was looking at the article on [[Harmandar Sahib]] and saw the beautiful plan that you had done when we were working on this article in 2008 and I thought I must acknowledge the great work that you put into this plan. I have (a bit late but as they say - ''better late than never!''....) included an acknowledgement at the bottom of this article on Harmandar Sahib [http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Harmandar_Sahib#Acknowledgements here].
-SSA everybody. all sysops and contributors.
+Sorry its a bit late; but your work is greatly appreciated and will proudly live on at this website. Kind regards and many thanks, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 05:24, 26 December 2012 (CST)
-I have a big request. Sorry for the language, but that google translator thingie just SUCCCKKKS... I mean like i can speak dutch at a native level.. ANd when i translated it with google half of the page was full of grammatical mistakes et al... If it sucks in dutch and french so i can already imagine that the translations also suck in chinese, arabic etc
-So can't we setup something like wikipedia.
-en.sikhiwiki.org/
-nl.sikhiwiki.org/
-fr.sikhiwiki.org/
-pu.sikhiwiki.org/ (in punjabi)
-something in that direction
-this is just proposed
-And if you do it (WHAT I REALLY WANT!)
-I promise i'll atleast translate 1000 pages of SikhiWiki.org to nl.sikhiwiki! And + great quality
-And this is a big challenge...
-I hope Hari Singh ji, you don't dissaprove of it..
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 16:16, 30 April 2008 (MDT)
-Discuss at [[SikhiWiki: User Message 3]] discussion page
-==Hello==
-You are very right sir, about the paintings.. Nice article.. Can i put it on SikhiWiki?? And as for the dutch sikhiwiki... i thinki know a singhni who could help me... But i ain't going to be dependant on others for the seva... I alone am equal to 125,000 doing seva... So why need others? I aint neglecting studies ji.. In 5 weeks its exams and i have started studying for it! Anyways how r u? [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 02:28, 1 May 2008 (MDT)
-==Hello==
-oh ok ji.. So first just correct it a bit.. Or u may do it.. Under the article name: Paintings/Pitcures of Gurus or something like that.... [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 07:48, 1 May 2008 (MDT)
-== Talk:[[Guru Gobind Singh marg]] ==
-{{SSA}} Richard ji,
-I have noticed that you are doing a lot of work on this article - potentially a FA. I am not sure of the answers. Please give me some time and I will reply on the talk page.
-Your guess on the first bit seems correct but i am not sure of the local geography. The muslim food bit is puzzling with the kirpan/prayer/etc seems a bit odd and bit of cultural baggage. I will need to spent some time on the article and check with other sources - i have a book by dalip singh - i will see if he say anything in the book. I will come back soon. Keep well, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 10:07, 2 May 2008 (MDT)
-:source for [[Story of bravery & sacrifice]] was  [http://www.panthic.org/news/132/ARTICLE/2107/2005-12-25.html panthic.org] I do not have the knowledge to say if Wazir Khan could have been there? more research required perhaps? [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 14:43, 6 May 2008 (MDT)
-==Antarjami==
-"antarjami Dashmesh":  Antarjami - one who knows everything; Dashmesh=tenth regards, [[User:Hari singh|Hari Singh]] 14:36, 6 May 2008 (MDT)
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-Glad to hear that your wife is in good health.
+{{SSA}}, Richard
-Sorry, to have not responded to your messages in the proper manner. I am afraid the messaging system on Wiki is not its strong point. If two people leave messages then unfortunately, I have been known to write to the last person in reply to both the messages. However, I am glad that you were able to figure out the reply from Sunny ji.
-As you know, GGS has forbidden us to address him as god and has clearly said that anyone who does so will go to hell thus:
-[[Bani of Guru Gobind Singh]] in the Dasam Granth Page 137
-* Whosoever shall call me the Lord, shall fall into hell. Consider me as His servant. 32.
-so many have praised GGS but you cannot elevate the Guru to God!
-It great to know that you plan to write a book. Sound great and I wish you every luck in its early completion. I know that it will be most fascinating as you appear to have a special skill with words and language. Your insight will be very revealing to a lot of people.
-Your details about language are truly very interesting, especially when you link them to the Gurus as it gives us a much sharper meaning to the Guru's message - This is never burdensome. I am impressed with how language has developed and how many simple words can be linked to other languages going thousand of miles to the east.
-Its amazing how you have mentioned words from the zafarnama - it would be great if you could write a little about some of the words in the zafarnama that appear striking to you.
-<blockquote>
-{{b|ਚ੝ ਕਾਰ ਅਜ਼ ਹਮਹ ਹੀਲਤੇ ਦਰ ਗ੝ਜ਼ਸ਼ਤ ॥ ਹਲਾਲ ਅਸਤ ਬ੝ਰਦਨ ਬ ਸ਼ਮਸ਼ੀਰ ਦਸਤ ॥੨੨॥}}
-CHU KAR AZ HAMEH HEEL-TE DAR GUZASHT, HALAL AST BURDAN B-SHAMSHIR DAST (22)<br>
-When all the stratagem employed for (solving) an affair or problem are
-exhausted,(only) then taking your hand to the sword is legitimate.
-</blockquote>
-You know, it is amazing how i as a punjabi sikh sometimes learn more about the Guru' message when i read articles written by western sikhs! I find that the w/sikhs have a refreshing view without the cultural baggage to the e/sikhs.
-similarly, i think that when bani is looked at by western people, sometimes they see the true  and global meaning of the message in the Guru's words while the traditional sikhs are unable to appreciate the true implications of the words. thank you for your kind words, regards [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 17:15, 8 May 2008 (MDT)
-== Hello ==
-Sir ji,
-SSA
-How r u sir?
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-Allenwalla sir, nice questions.. It got me thinking.. I will look for the original Punjabi quotes and post em up.... Anyways. Examz are yet to begin in a months time... But i'm revising now... And yeh the original speech was in Punjabi and they were translated into english.... How r u? [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 07:42, 10 May 2008 (MDT)
-==Delete==
-sir,
-u hv nt got my view , i did nt wanted to remove the article.
-I önly recommented to delete the repeat article .
-Someone has already removed the contents and written see RSS, i only wanted to delete the blank page. Now since the page now has been redirected,the problem has been solved. Hope u got the point,i m looking 4 repeat articles and recommending for delete.
-SSA AND SEE U AGAIN
-Sarbjeet Singh
-== [[Sikhism and Circumcision]] & user talk==
-Sorry Richard,
-I hope I did not tread on your toes with the reply. Its not easy to know if this question was part of an incomplete article or something new!
-We don't normally get questions like this at SikhiWiki but I thought it was a reasonable thing for a reader to ask and so left the question and answer in the article. Regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 23:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
-: '''user talk''': thanks for letting me know. It's visible but I need to stop it centering, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 00:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-== GUD MNG ==
- SSA ji i seeu r on
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 04:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
-==Sat Shri Akaal==
-hello Sir how are you. Well its happy moment for me to see you all again after so many days after EXAMS(Danger moment for a student!). howz life goin!. Enjoy life. God bless you([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 14:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC))
-== Congratulations ==
-ਵਹਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ,,,,,,,ਜੀ
-Congratulations on crossing 4000 Articles .
---user:sarbjeet_1313me 04:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
-==ssa==
-SSA ji,
-Bibi is either used for a Sikh preacher ot respect them (not depending on age) or if not in that use, its used for old woman or just to respect '''woman''' not girls.. and the 'funny' thing was that baba ji (at an age where u tease girls, etc) respected them and used a word which is actually for older girls = > woman. thats why the teacher laughed, coz he used the term bibi for a schoolgirl u see. its a bit difficult to explain but i hope you get it.
-tommorow is my first exam, which counts for 20% of my biology (rest 80% will be in 2-3 weeks).. so i'll be studying allmost whole the day.
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 13:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
-==reply==
-SSA ji,
-Wow cool info. Didnt know that. And sir when are you completing/correcting ur article on relgious paintings as i'm dying to put it up on sikhiwiki. a little correction, the ninth guru, wasnt HIND DI CHADDAR but DHARAM DI CHADDAR
-Guru Ji weren't any protector of a piece of land (hind = hindustan = bharat = present day india, bangladesh and pakistan).
-And yeh, mostly parents stil arange marriage.
-Besides this, hows life ?
-How are you?
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 15:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
-Sir,
-Gud Mng,
-u r right,i devote 15 minutes before going to office daily.
-So everytime i cudnt respond when u were online.
-Carry on with ur Sewa sir.
-[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]]
-==SSA==
-Fateh jio,
-Its Tarna Dal i think.
-Well that hind thing is very controversial and also mostly unknown.
-The Punjab and Sindh region, was called SAPAT SINDHU. The river Sindh was called Indu (Indus in Greek and nowadays English)
-So those idolworshipper were not only in Sapat Sindhu but were spread till Middle East, Egypt. U know the Muhammad of Muslims broke 360 idols that where in Mecca. And some of them were of (Hindu) gods and godesses. The most widely accepted reason for the spread is BUSSINESS. The inhabitants of Sapat Sindh, Indus (not Hindus) dealt as far as Arabia and Egypt. They brought a large part of their culture-religion into those areas...
-When Mughals invaded present day north India, they named those people HINDU, which was INDU before. Hindu meant thief and/or cheater in 'persian' (or one of those languages)
-Hope it you understand.
-Had a partial exam bio, i think i got 29/30....
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 16:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
-==Sat Shri Akaal==
-First, Tarna Dal it is the nihang dal, Headquarters at Harian Vailan whose photo i have uploaded, All Nihang Sikhs at Harian Vailan Gurdwara are from Tarna Dal. That Singh who is doing Isnaan(Bathing) is one who told me about Buddha Dal and Tarna Dal and that man with horse is a sewadar who take cares of horse. They take care of horses, Shastras and Sikhi. While doing ardas they use to pray for horses too. So the photo is of a sewadar of tarna dal/Gurdwara Harian vailan.Sant Nihal Singh is present mukhee of this dal.
-Secondly, Sindhi are those people(Hindues mainly) who are followers of of other dieties but they say guru nanak a diety and they bow before guru granth sahib due to presence of guru nanak bani in it. They are inhead(not Khalsa), but they say themselves sikh of Guru Nanak like NanakPanthis, These people makes idol of guru nanak as you know that guru nanak abolished idol wordship.
-They have different relations with sikhs. There temples are called Gurmandir and they have following dieties:
-Lord Ganesh, Lakshmi, Lord Hanuman, Lord Shiva complete with Shivling & Nandi, Shirdi Saibaba, Ram Sita & Lakshman (Ram Parivar), Lord Vishnu
-Devi Ma, Guru Nanak, Jhulelal.
-* [http://www.gurmandir.com Sindhi Website]
-So that articles on sikhiwiki is just for the purpose to show that Sindhis have some relation to sikhism especially Sindhi Hindues.
-Thirdly, Vivekananda actually this topic i picked it up when i saw dayanand's topic, Vivekananda was a great swami, i just watching his views on sikhism and you must have read the article the mix response some book says what and some what so that article is not constructed fully as references are not properly given. Actual he compares Shivaji and Guru Gobind singh which sikhs do not want.
-Here in India some Hindu dal like VHP, RSS, BD etc says sikhs are hindues and Sikhs here do not want that type of treatment they say that we have independent religon. Even Hindues say Buddhism jainism Sikhism are all hindues. So because of this thinking whole massacre occurs. Sikh people just want there rites [[Anandpur Sahib Resolution]], which indian sarkaar government is not giving. there are many problems even today on this matter [[RSS]].............Well thats long discussion
-Sorry poor english.
-([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 13:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC))
-** The Nihangs Singhs are divided into four Dals (armies) or you can say them sects Tarna Dal, Bab Bidhi Chand Dal, Baba Bhindran Dal, and Baba Budha Dal.<br>
-The Budha Dal is older sect have member above 40 yerars of age and tarna dal is called younger sect have member below 40 years of age.<br>
-Taruna dal is army which have again 5 misls: 1. Misil of Bhangi, 2. Misil of Ramgarhian’s, 3. Misil of Kanula, 4. Misil of Nabia, 5. Shakar Chakian Misil.
-Misaldars are sardar of these misls you can use word baron for them: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron#In_other_languages Check it out]. Well as you know you call gurdwara as Sikh temple.
-Do not change the artcile of vivekananda let me find author name. If you want to change then shedd those points which looks vulgar.
-Logo wass added in past but as adding logo takes time as i have bulk of photographs and no software which can add photo to all ogo at once. Well if any one want to copy the photo not steal. He is allowed to at least sikhiwiki should be a free resource. Let them remove logo if they want to.([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 14:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC))
-==Sat Shri akaal again==
-Sardar use word only Gurdwaras but sardars outside india i do not know what they say. I have heard word Sikh church from many sardars, but not indian
-But sikh temple is well known due to english people who came india and reside here for 200years. Do you know my grand dad told when the english people when came to gurdwaras before 1947, they use to bind turbans on there head and then comes inside, and my grand dad also told that english officials helped him in making gurdwara in Mandlay Burma.
-English people say temple for every religon's worship place in india wether jain, buddhisam(Math), sikhi(Gurdwara) or any other. thats why Golden temple comes from. So temple word given by britishers not indians.  I think difficulty to speak word Gurdwara thatswhy. ([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 07:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC))
-==SSA==
-Hello sir,
-Cool to know that, i didnt knew.. So what do we do? Revert it back to Taruna Dal?[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 09:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
-== The Hajj ==
-Thanks, richard for the message. The above article has been deleted as it has no connection with Sikhi. Sorry it took me a little time to deal with the matter but I am looking after my elderly dad who had a fall 2 weeks ago and is generally unwell. He does not have broadband at his house until next week. So until then and until he recovers more, will only be able to spent only 1 or 2 hours each day on SikhiWiki.
-Many thanks for your continued effort in correcting the many pages on SikhiWiki. I see your name with the other "hard grafters" on the recent changes all the time. I have also read your attempt to make sense to many terms that appear a little strange like "sawing" which probably should have been "sowing", etc.  Many of these articles have been OCR'ed from books etc by the previous users or other web-masters. When using OCR recognition software, the system find it difficult to deal with certain characters. common errors are:
-{|
-!True character   !!OCR reads as:
-|-
-|a  || o
-|-
-| u || i
-|-
-|l letter "l" || 1 figure "1"
-|-
-|/ "dash" || I capital letter "I"
-|-
-|rn  || m
-|-
-|in  || m
-|-
-|ri  || n
-|-
-|ff  || H
-|-
-|di  || th
-|-
-|d  || cl
-|-
-|d  || tl
-|-
-|AH  || All
-|-
-|fi  || h
-|-
-|j  || I
-|-
-|F  || I'
-|-
-|U  || ll
-|-
-|hi  || in
-|-
-|Til || I'll
-|-
-|  tlie || the
-|}
-May your efforts bear fruit! kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 13:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
-== Dad's recovery ==
-Thank you Richard. With the grace of the Lord, dad is recovering well and together as a family we are able to support him physically and emotionally for most of the full day.
-Unfortunately, we have become a forgetful society - we easily forget the hard work and dedication of our parents when we were young. Life in Kenya, East Africa during the 1950-1970 was pretty tough and our parents and many others like them who brought up kids then were a strong breed. Working physically extremely  hard  in a country which had lots of dangers and uncertainties.
-To retire these type of parents to a "nursing home", in my opinion would be a sin. My parents don't use a computer but when other members of the family or I stay overnight at my parents, we have to come back to "our own home" to use the net; also the younger members of our family who are students need access to their notes from college, etc. So we decided to install broadband at my parents home so that when we are with dad and mum, we can surf the net and stay there for longer periods without having to leave them to get access to the net elsewhere. Also, it is amazing how we have become dependent on this technology - for banking; shopping; transportation info - checking times of arrivals & departures, congestion & traffic news; checking references and information like data on medicines; medical terms; communication - emails, etc, etc.
-''"Hopefully the extremists of any religion will never have their way."'' - I agree entirely. Wars and battles are a human disease which needs to be recognised and eradicated. Conflicts of the past are a scar on that civilization. The attack of 1984 is a black mark against the present Indian system; [[Jallianwalla massacre]] is a black mark against th British raj; Nazi & Hitler, a black mark on Germany, etc. This type of terrible behaviour marks the barbaric nature of man and will only end when we become more evolved spiritually and morally.
-I have marked [[Bhai Jivan Singh]] in the proposed FA page and I will endeavour to put this up soon. We appear to have a back log of articles here now!  Keep in great form and thanks for your kind concern, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 21:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
-==ssa==
-""SSA, Sunny ji, Some questions on French there in Brussels. i was wondering if you say lycée or athénée -- bourgmestre or Maire? For tufani bari hai do you say drache. Or when you count in French do you use soixante-dix or septante, quatre-vingts or huitante or even octante and for ninety which is said, nonante or quatre-vingt-dix? richard - just checking. How are the exams going or are you still waiting.""
-In belgium we use Athénée and Lycée. In France, Lycée is more popular. Here for mayor is Bourgemestre. Maire is also used but mostly by old people.
-{| class="wikitable"
-|-
-|English
-|Belgium French
-|France French
-|-
-|seventy
-|septante
-|soixant dix (they dont know the word septante)
-|-
-|ninety
-|nonante
-|quatre-vingt-dix
-|-
-}
-Still waiting for exams.. They begin on June 9th. And my first one (of the 10) will be of LAtin and the last on physics.
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 13:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
-Oh ok... Thx for the compliment.. Have you found about the box or not? If not i'll give it... [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 18:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
-==No Sir==
-O Kyaa baat hai bruahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Great Punjabi you had written. Proud of you.
-I know it may be wrong. For that a person have to go himself visit the whole places for research, no deep research is done. like harpal singh kasoor found all relevant information, photos different people views etc about Guru nanak Visit in Rome. Know here in punjab his research also published.
-* [http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/essays-on-sikhism/1075-guru-granth-sahib-ji-divine-category.html From an article]
-Above link shows the place from where i took the info.
-You may be right Nan in chinese is south.
-Well i will contact my chinese bros for whole info but after few months. i know some chinkey pinkey who knows about nanak travels. he travelled far tibet USSR.
-The Provincial Governments of CHINA are reporting, that they had visits by Nanak.
-What is provincial governement of china
-who reported
-what reported do not know.
-thats why i havent gave the article name,,,Guru nanak in China.
-Bohot wadiyaaa Punjabi Boli Toose (you spoke punjabi very well)([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 19:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC))
-==Dera Baba Nanak==
-Well, i'm 100% sure about last picture.. It was taken in 2004. And since renovations were carried out in 1995, it makes that this was how it looked 9 years after the renovations... But that other pic, i dont know what it is....
-Anyways,
-Have you heard...?? There are big fights in Belgium (Anderlecht).. Skinheads vs Moroccons (biggest minority group here, make up some 3-4% of whole belgian populatio) I hope it doesnt get worse.. In many areas both groups have fought, attacked the preventing 'police on horses' and other police personnel as well.. And have broken cars, house glasses etc
-Tommorow is a big fight as they say... Skinhead from holland and some from uk going to come... ANd morocon gangs will come from france...... Moroccons will be helped allmost by all foreigners in belgium, since everybody hates skinheads (because they are in-human and racist).
-Hope it doesnt turn like paris last year.... !
-Anyways hows your life going???
-[[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 20:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
-==[[Kanwar Pal Singh Gill]]==
-Respected Sir
-I did not create article [[Kanwar Pal Singh Gill]]. It appears that it was created by [[User:Paapi]]. I have only added three sub-sections, i.e. "KPS Gill's Counter-Terrorism Techniques in Punjab", "Sexual Crime", "Indian Hockey Federation" and I have slightly changed its main introduction. I did not add the controversial "Quote", it was already there. I was too busy to completely re-structure this article. I thought that I will come back to read it further. I beleive that Sikhiwiki used to have an article on Kanwar Pal Singh Gill, which I could not find anymore. Also I beleive that [[user:Paapi]] has created this article in a biased way where KPS Gill was glorified, his un-ceramonial sacking from IHF was not highlighted and this controversial "quote" from KPS Gill's own book was added for no reason.--[[User:Singh6|Singh6]] 02:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
-== Gud ==
-Richard Sir ji,
-ਵਹਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ
-ਵਹਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ,,,,,,,ਜੀ
+It certainly has been very useful and a great tool to get an instant idea of the location of the various important landmarks at this holy shrine. Many thanks, again for your excellent image/plan/map. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:31, 14 January 2013 (CST)
-Your continued contributions are really praiseworthy , doing gud job , salute to u.
+== Edits on page [[Bibi Bhani]] ==
-Thanks.
+Veer ji, {{SSA}}
+Many thanks for your kind message and concern. I hope too that your family members are all in good spirits and that your health is also holding up well.
---[[user:sarbjeet_1313me]] 17:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
+I have read the amended version of the above article and you have done a great job. As you mentioned, it was the old custom for fathers not to ask too much of their daughters especially after they had been married. However, [[Bibi Bhani]] chose to serve her father into his old age in defiance of the old custom.
-== the cousin thing.. ==
+Many thanks for your continued help with this website. May the Almighty continue to bless you and assist you in every way possible. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 16:48, 20 January 2013 (CST)
-Jambo!!
+== No Apology, but a visit! He missed a most  valuable opportunity to fix this dreadful leaf in British history. ==
-woo! lol im getting into it already.haah.
-yeah bend it like beckham is a classic example..my dad always tells me that theres no use in trying to change the older generation..but we can change the way we behave towards eachother =) Yes i totally agree with you! my dad says the same! That the old ladies are not going to admit they have a problem! I've spoken back to a few aswell and they shove the old "dont talk back to your elders" lecture......well..as is taught in sikhi..age doesnt necessarily bring about wisdom..
+Dear Veer ji, {{SSA}}
-Yeah the one thing in life i hate has to be corruption.
+Shame, he was not more bolder and braver; he missed an opportunity to fix a wrong done so many years ago. We will need a more stronger person to apologise for the terrible crime that took place here at the cost of the blood so many 1000's of innocent freedom lovers!
-The first line in the ardaas is "pritham bhagauti simarke guru nanak lei dheyae.." and then it goes on to list all the gurus.
+Many thanks for the link. Kind regards and good wishes, 19:13, 20 February 2013 (CST)
-"Bhagauti" in the femenine, this ardaas was written like this on purpose! To show that everything, derives from a female.
-Admitedly i havent looked at suchajee and kuchajee in detail yet, but if its ok with you i'll adress your point on it after i've read it properly!
+== Sikh yatrees arrive from India to attend Besakhi festival ==
-Argh! men =P haha joke =D
+Dear Veer ji, {{SSA}}
-thanks for reading,
+Many thanks for the link to an interesting story and the proof of continued lukewarm friendship between the neighbours. However, it seems that the cross-border controls remain the same as before and the volume of traffic has been kept to a minimum; 3000 is a very small number when you know that there are nearly 13,000,000 Sikhs in Punjab!  I am sure more would like to go if they could. Many thanks and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 22:42, 10 April 2013 (CDT)
-wjkk wjkf!
+== Quebec to ban Sikh symbols ==
+Dear brother, {{SSA}}
-==Thanks for the Welcome!==
+Many thanks for the link. This is a great concern; a highly negative move by politician who have no concept of freedom or liberty; They are the ones who are responsible of the rise in crime and lawlessness and the decline in mortality that we observe around the world.
-Hello Allenwalla, I do not happen to know that user, unfortunately!  I came up with this username ten-twelve years ago as a child when I first began to use the internet. I have stuck with it since then for the sake of continuity.
+The carrying of these symbols as we all know is a mandatory requirement of Sikhs and for a good reason that has been tried and tested through history. You will remember that when no one raised their voice when Guru Tegh Badadur was beheaded by the evil Mughals and all who were present "hid behind" the "common appearance" of the typical Indian of the time. The mandatory symbols were imposed by Guru Gobind Singh for an important reason - It is so that the Sikhs remember who and what they represent and stand for; that the defence of truth is above all and that they must not hid behind the "normal appearance" when a wrong takes place.
-I shall soon update my page with some more details about myself. You are correct in assuming that I am posting from North America - I live in the Greater Toronto Area. Perhaps I shall soon begin working on the pages you've suggested! Thanks, [[User:Ihaveacomputer|Ihaveacomputer]] 11:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
+I am most grateful to you for the link. Good health and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 09:41, 26 August 2013 (CDT)
-==Sat Shri Akaal==
+== Sikhs being mistaken as Muslims: Blue Bloods - Episode: Mistaken Identity S4 Ep10 (41:31)  ==
-* Have'nt met this man Gurdev Singh Khush personally. Copied from: [http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/personalities/gurdevkhush.html Sikh History Website]. This photo seems to me marriage photograph and marriage time a Sikh(wether inhead) have to bind a turban, this is rule. Well Gurdev singh is a rauda (Without hairs).
-ok now its challenge for you....hehehe......Tell me who is there in picture and if this is not gurdev khush then how this picture is related to him?? and yes thanks for info about tomatoes. ya i like it eating tomatoes as salad. The tomatoes are grinded first then used in prepration of vegetable but sometimes mostly in villages tomatoes are not grinded and put directly in vegetables. Let me search on Hardskin Tomatoes...What category it is?
+Dear Bhai Sahib ji
-Want to share with you, My fathers friend's daughter married with hindu guy(Love Marriage), and my father's friend do not want to do that but he have agree due to some reason not wana disclouse. so when the baraat came to gurdwara and groom was entering in. The father of bride stops, he watches groom carefully and what he find the turban he have on his head was a ''TURBAN CAP'' not real turban. He took off his cap and said not to enter in gurdwara then girl's father send his men to purchase a turban. A new turban was purchased and then binded by father of girl(Turban always binds by maternal uncle of boy in sikh traditions). Then his father allow him to enter. Groom and there parents must feel this. But he said Sikh Rules are sikh rules you have to follow them.
+Many thanks for the message.
-So turban keeps significance while anand karaj.Rabb Rakha Sat Shri Akaal. ([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 12:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC))
-==Ok==
+Unfortunately, I am unable to watch the video here in the UK probably because it will be aired on a paid TV channel here and so cannot be seen on youtube or other such 'free' media.
-Thanks for the link.
-and thanks for providing infor about hard skin tomatoes. ones with a hard skin are very disease resistant and tough skinned. My grandmom loves gardening she use to grow tomatoes, Ladyfingers, Brinjals.
+However, I was able to watch the beginning as a teaser and I get a general picture of the plot. I believe that I can understand what you mean when you point to the different time marks in the video. I agree that it is a healthy development which hopefully will bring awareness to the general masses about the different communities that form this world!
-In one link there is hornworm i had seen fear factor on AXN where the contestents were eating hornworms eeeeeeee. Actually i am away from gardening and agriculture etc. I just eats the ripe grapes. Here in Sabji Mandis we get Either Green Tomatoe or red tomatoe. and we have to select hard one. When i was Child, kid, i had seen how tomatoe grows bla bla but that all vanishes from my mind. My Paternal uncle and my father loves all this. Due to lack of space these all can not grown here. But Pudina, Brinjals, Roses are grown here. Roses used in Gulaab Sharbat. Pudina used when we drink cane juice or we make chatni of it. Brinjal is used for making vegetable and bharthas.
+Many thanks for highlighting this TV show. Lets hope that we have more of this coming along in the near future.
-Yellow Tomatoes, yes when the red are not hard father use to pick yellow tomatoes, i had seen them they are hard.
+Kind regards and the best of health. [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 11:07, 20 December 2013 (CST)
-Yes hindu turbans are all fake or here haryanvi hindues just wrap the cloth on head mostly old people. thats why father's friend get angry and he took away his fake turban. He is going to gurddwara for anand karaj, so he donot allowed to enter.Sat Shri akaal
+== Khalsa Diwan Sikh Temple ==
-Bengali also wear different type of turban . It looks like Toorlaey wali turban. But its fake one. The orignal turban wore by punjabis and yes afghanis too. Sat Shri Akaal([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 14:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC))
-==riots==
+Bhai Sahib ji,  {{SSA}}
-Well what u said is true.. But today is hundred % sure big fight... I saw many of them comming down near our area.... Many moroccons, turques etc have assembled there.... So its believed today will be revenge for last week... Cool editing to that Sikh Sharia article!! Keep it up! [[User:Sunnybondsinghjalwehra|Sunnybondsinghjalwehra]] 16:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
+Many thanks for your very thoughtful message. I have updated the page [[Khalsa Diwan Sikh Temple]] with a bit more data from Wikipedia but not added anything about the recent discovery of the US Navy ANM66 bomb. Please feel free to add this to the page as it will help make the page even more informative.
-==Hey Sir==
+The Guru's blessings, kind regards and many thanks again, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:44, 9 February 2014 (CST)
-What do you do? <BR>
-You must have keen knowledge of sikhism what attracts you towards this website? Are you from interfaith or theologist? I mean tell me about you.
-([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 13:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC))
-==Yes it is==
+== Baenti ==
-'''Main Page:''' I think that was a mistake, and as you know hari singh's father is ill and he chaged first page so hurridly do not take care, that picture should be deleted, write the same to hari singh sir, or call him if you can please. That girl might be drinking apple juice and to call her doohagni especially on Main page. Not looks good. I will rite to hari singh sir and you also write or call. Do not treat that girl to be a britisher. that girl might be from chandigarh.
-Well, that picture was made not to show that guru nanak said that to female only or male but it is just made simply to show the features of both. In first image the lady shown is not a sikh lady she is shown as sohagan which pray before god, second lady shown is not any christian or british she is shown that she has lost in wordly pleasure. It is not an attempt to control women or something. the pic is just made to show difference between suhagan and duhangan not men and women. The same pic can be made for men too. But you know no difference is there.
+Waheguru ji ka khalsa
+Waheguru ji ki fateh
-But graphics is not properly used for pic we must use negatives instead of orignal graphics.
+Waheguruji dass baenti krna chahunda hai ki jo aap ji ne Hari Singh Nalwa di photo upload keeti hoyi hai, ki uss nu dass t-shirt design layi use kar sakda hai?
-'''Captain Nemo''': Actually he might be sikh or Not but you know the attire is properly of sikh especially Nihang sikhs use to wear these blue banas. Yes this character is positive, due to lack of knowledge about sikh code of conduct they did this well its ok no problem at all................But bollywood doing all this having knowledge about sikh code of conduct.
+== OK, please include a credit to Sikhwiki ==
-([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 21:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC))
+OK