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Yes, glad to see you using a computer at your age

• Anand bhaiaa myree mayy satguru may paeiaa…….

ultimate bliss has graced upon Amar O my mother Gurbani ! ….I have located Khalsa Allenwala There is further to it & it is wonderful -- I found him without any efforts what so ever.

Sady vllon mataji aty Sarbat Khalsy nu Ftyh. Kakaji Amar da likhia nhee, likhaiaa hunda hyy.

• Myra mujh my kujh nhee jo kujh hyy so tyra….

all yours

Amar da likhaea tyra likhia hyy aty satgur dy lykhy. Amar ta Angryzee nhe jaxdee. Os da tyry vrga Putter Khalsa Mutia1 Singh Jpu aty puttar de puttree Gur Amita Singh hann. Ohna nu jiho jihi Angryje aunnde hyy likh dindy ny. Computer vgyyra Amar dy bus da nhee. Sdky Amita dy oh hee Amar nu khich lyyndee hyy aty paapa nu hukm dy ky likhwa dyndee hyy. Phyr os da papa hukm rzaee challda hyy.

Amita changee angryzee jaxdee hyy par mundy ny eyna lfza nu angryzee vich likh ky shaaid kbuutar bxa dyxa hyy. Kaka tu ta angrayzee land vala hyy os nu anryzee sikha. kbba chlly ta os dee ma nu dassxa.

Gur Khalsa Ftyh !

bhull gaiaa see: mataji nu kyyhna Amar gall krna chahunde hyy. --Amar Kaur 16:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for being With (Part- II)

Khalsa Allen ji

• Chir bhaiaa darshan dykhy....

long time no see...sure khalsa will make it up

• Anand Bhaiaa myree Maay 'Unique PenPal^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Satinaam Writer Kha Allenwala Singh Jpu' myy paeeaa.

• Tujh jyysa Purkhu na labbee.

• Tujh jyysa naahee ko dyv .

Sir this is Yours truly…>>A Typo Angkarr^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. & Satinaam writer……….. Khalsa Mutia1 Singh Nirvair Jpu…..No words to thank you for being with me & cleaning up the flawless muck I am good at creating.

• hau apradhee gnyhgar hau bymukh manda...simr mureeda dhadiaa Satigur Bakhshinda...

Need to do better to become a better Sikh! Sir Satgur willing I will one day. Khalsa is sure both senior ladies will be comfortable with each other. We are 5 members in the family. Sikhi knows four . Fifth is Mutia’s Grand pop Kha Teja Singh Jpu. As on date except for pop we all hold one account each on Sikhi .

I am sure you will pardon Khalsa for not suffixing ‘Sikhi’ with ‘Wiki’ . Satgur willing Mutia1 commits to stay in communication even evry Sikh of the universe. Details in pipe.

Sir Gur Amar’s above reply is in regional Malva Punjabi written by me in gurditti (ha! ha!)script . what ever may require my mediation, pl do let Khalsa Mutia1 know. Mutia Group of users is in the process of getting organised on Martial lines.

Khalsa is a retired Indian Army Officer and besides messing around with the keys of the board, is occupied with 'Technical Research Work' with the aim of creating employment for the rural ‘Have Not Sikhs’. Making slow but steady progress.

Gur Khalsa ftyh !

PS:

• jyyse myy aavyy Khasam ke baxee tyysa khoo vichar o allah ! ……

O Dear^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ whatever descends down on Nanks’s Keyboard from Satgur gets reflected on Montor Screan called Sikhi..

Mutia1 plans to stay with this site through senior lady’s and Amita’s accounts & seek your views on Sikhi & Wicked issues we all are well aware of .

User:One...... Khalsa. Nanak's Upright Penpal^^^^^^^^^^^, Gurbani Writing Khalsa. Singh Nirvair, Living Gurbani Steadfast & Selfmade]]' wrote all through the grace of Satgurbani on 3rd Sep 2009 at 09:52 PM IST dedicated to KSO Panth .

Thanks for being With

Dear Upright Penpal~~ Creative Khalsa Singh Nirvair Living Gurbani Steadfast & Selfmade Allenwalla ji, 'Gur Khalsy dee Ftyh' prvaan krnee jee. !!!!

'Jo mangyy Thakur Apny ty soee soee dyvyy ......(Whatsoever is sought from Khalsa. dear, all in toto gives he granted subject to condition that blessings of Gurbani be there.)

We are a family of typos & need to do better. God is with all of us to take care. Hearty Thanks for the guidance !

Gur Khalsa Ftyh !

--Amar Kaur 11:22, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Seeking Permission

• Write, Publish & Share True Ideas with Sarbat Khalsa & take everyone along --Khalsa Nanak Singh Jpujee Sahib

Dear Upright Penpal~~ Creative Khalsa Singh Nirvair Living Gurbani Steadfast & Selfmade Allenwalla ji, 'Gur Khalsy dee Ftyh' prvaan krnee jee. !!!!

1. KSO(Sarbat Khalsa) has no copywrite issues no where. However Sikhi on SikhiWiki encompasses Wiki as well. In fact not being a Gurbani writer, copying it & publishing it through all means, is the 'ONE' & 'ONLY ONE' offence for a True Sikh. A few years back our friend Luckyji almost got in trouble for it. That was unfortunate. Let us Sikhs, through the grace of Gurbani' stay fortunate & out of trouble. So much for this plea.

2. Sir, You( Nanak ) write wonderful & True thoughts. May this Khalsa seek your permission to copy them for subsequent publication on googlesites/sites/khalsastandardorganisation.com for Khalsa not having access to modren means of communication ? I am refering to Sikhs living in remote punjab villages to begin with.

3. I do not know anything about copywriting etc, except that copy-paste can get one in trouble. Wicked are ways of destructive journalism.

Gur-Khalsa Ftyh !

Amar Kaur 08:58, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Amita's Grand Mother & One's Mother. Panth kee daasee Upright Angkaran Creative Khalsa Kaur Nirvairan Living Gurbani Steadfast & Selfmade Amaar80 from Delhi .

ON ELECTION DUTY

Sir,

SSA,

All are fine wid the Guru's Kirpa,presently busy in election meetings as i hv been deputed for election duty as Presiding Officer for the polling which is going to be held on 16th in Jammu. user:sarbjeet_1313me

Sikhs on Yatra in Pakistan

Sat Sri Akal, Richard,

Has been fixed. Thanks for reminding. Regards, Hari Singh^talk 02:50, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

My Grandfather

Brother, i think you took it in wrong way. My Grandfather tells us about their war. About his experiance, tells us what bravery is, tells us how they fought, what problems they face, in what conditions he was and he is proud that still he is alive after facing them. He was in infantry. He is retired captain. and enjoying the life and pension he is getting from Government. He fought for british but for india.

but he always says one thing, nobody like war, but if you have to face to then think that you will never see the world again. He have positive attitude towards everything.

(Lucky 17:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC))

.....higher still is truthful living

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the amendments. Yes, it definitely reads better. I will try and finish this tomorrow so I have put the "work in progress" label for tonight. Please feel free to edit. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 01:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Election over at Jammu

Richard Ji,

SSA,

Thanx 4 the message,election is over (peacefully) here, sigh of relief as i was posted at Jammu city polling booth.Mercury is at rise now and it is difficult at day time to come out. Rest everything is f9. Waheguru Rakha

user:sarbjeet_1313me

Thanks

Thanks a lot for the kind motivation. My reply is available over here --Singh6 17:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

R/Sir, SSA, sorry for deleting the Punga. I see no importance of that. user:sarbjeet_1313me

Casteism, etc. Part 1

Dear Bhai Richard ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Unfortunately, the beautiful eye photo is not my work but found on the net. However, I agree that it is a most wonderful eye; with an amazing spectrum of colours and something that a typical Indian would love to have in duplicate.

Many thanks for a most informative message and the compliment of calling me "a true Gursikh"; that I believe is a first on the net! I have had the pleasure of receiving that pleasure personally but I think this is a first time on the net. I hope I continue to maintain that threshold into the future. Many thanks again.

Richard, as you say, people who have dark skin strive for lighter skin; while the ones who have natural white skin continuously desire darker skin. I wonder if this is a recent shift in the perception of society? With the advent of global TV and air travel, the world has "opened up" and people see different peoples and cultures and constant advertising which tells them that they should have and they can have more! The average person is lead to believe that tomorrow will bring more and better things and that everyday things will get better, easier and more perfect.

It appears that the huge effort made by great saintly people like Guru Nanak has not had a proportionately significant mark on the planet; for the majority, their message does not exist; they continue to live without much spiritual knowledge or awareness; going from one emotional upheaval to the next; or from one emotional peak to the next. Most in the world are living just like simple animals live; just dealing day to day with their immediate needs and instinct; there is no thought for others; there is no effort to help the under privileged; etc. In fact some have gone in the reverse direction and kill anyone who does not "fit in" with their ideas. How do we relate that with the fact that humans have the biggest IQ?

Either, we do not use this IQ at all and it is dormant or that we use it mainly for destructive purposes; in which case, should we even call it IQ in the first place; may be "DI", "destructive intelligence" would be more appropriate. It appears that when folks are allowed complete freedom, they abuse it - consider the CEO like Sir Allen Stanford ($7b??), Bernard Madoff ($50b), CEOs of Enron ($31b) and other financial controllers like Jerome Kerviel of French bank Societe Generale($7b), Nick Leeson, who bankrupted British bank Barings ($1.38b), etc. (See the full World corruption timeline).

This apparent human "weakness" is not limited to CEO's and financial personnel, in the UK, we have had many British politicians "publicly charged" for exaggerating their expenses; many had grossly "over-claimed" money from the UK treasury. This inability of intelligent people to act wisely and with restraint is becoming a common occurrence; not only is crime on the increase, we have many so called "innocent" people engaged in small scale corruption in their daily lives. Self control and individual standards appear to have disappeared altogether.

end of part 1.... to be continued in part2. Hari Singh^talk 13:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Casteism, etc. Part 2

Dear Richard ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Unfortunately, the history of human society is littered with misery, suppression and selfishness; not a year goes past without news of some new inhumane treatment of a section of society; be it India 1947, Germany 1944, Amritsar 1984 or Iran 2009. The message of all the prophets, sons of God, Gurus and the many bhagats & saints has been wasted on the human race; the sub-humans still rule the land and dictate the forums of this earth; they control and influence the majority.

The sane people of the world who probably number just a few million look on daily, in horror and in disgust at the daily killings and slaughtering of human beings that goes on everywhere. How far have we gone from the simple message of friendship and love promoted by our spiritual guides! To just think that it is these 5 little devils inside each one of us who are responsible for this massive carnage around us! If we only had more people like Bhai Kanhaiya!

Yes, as you say, the sharing of the pure holy water from one bowl is forgotten; its wider meaning has been completely lost; they quarrel about whether the bowl is made of steel or iron but do not know about its broad implications; brotherhood of man and sisterhood of woman does not enter their minds. They are too busy worrying about their hold on political power and on lining their pockets than on anything else; how can we accept these people as our spiritual or moral guides? These are the people who are supposed to guide the Panth!

Calling someone by their name is deemed to be impolite in many cultures and 'Sir' or 'Bhai sahib' or such other honorific titles are commonly used; especially if you are older than the other person. Each culture has its own little rules and this is one that still survives in a few places. I think it is good when we have these rules and people like voluntarily to follow these rules; its a show of respect which I hope has some meaning and substance.

It is amazing that of the seven deadly sins of Christianity Lust, Greed, Wrath, Pride, Envy, Sloth and Gluttony; four are exactly the same; yet the world continues on its path of excessive greed! I am sure that the compliments of the virtues of Christianity are equally ignored by our so called "noble" politicians and leaders in the West.

Many things are not under the control of man; where we are born; who our parents are; how rich or poor they are, etc are not in our control, but how we behave in our daily lives is under our control. In Japji stanza 34, Guru Nanak reminds us:

That the Earth is a place to practice dharm or righteousness and only your deeds and actions is what matters and will count in the end. Let us hope that we can perform the deeds and actions which will bring honour in the Lord's court!

Regarding the suggestions, we have a normal date on the main page, I will try and work out how to get the Nanakshahi date; also I will send a message to Gundeep Kaur as suggested.

Many thanks for the very informative message from both of you (as your smarter-half also contributed)! Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 03:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

PUNJAB Sahib?

Hi Richard ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

It is surprising to see Panja sahib called Punjab sahib! It is obvious that the reporter is not too familiar with this important Sikh Gurdwara - one of very few where in my opinion a miracle happened. It is strange that although the Gurus do not actively promote the performance of miracles, that here at Panja sahib we have an example where the proof of the miracle has lasted for over 500 years!

I am not too sure about the train service in Punjab although I believe that this used to run from India (Delhi) to Lahore. The bus service is a more sure thing as this has been seen running between Amritsar and Lahore in many photos and video reports. I do not have any personal experience of this journey and it may be that these facilities have been suspended due to the tensions between the nations.

We don't get any direct news about India or Pakistan on our TV package; I think we need to have Sky to get this direct news; however, it is always good when people behave in a civilised and mature manner. Hopefully, one day the borders between India and Pakistan will be like France and Germany! almost no existent.

I don't really know what happened to Harcharan Singh since he was made any officer. Let's hope he continues to make progress and attract others to the army. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 17:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message and photos. I believe that for news reports we can use a few photos as long as we mention the source on the article and the photo as per the "fair use" policy in the media field.

I did read the joke at the "A presidential ‘punga’" article - it is a little cheap bit to include in what appears to be a serious news article!

Please, could you give me the url (link addresses) to these photos so we can include that if we use the photos. Many thanks, Hari Singh^talk 02:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Budhsinghwala

Sorry for late reply, Allenwalla ji. Nice edits. In punjabi when we say born in house of Bhai X Singh and Mata Y Kaur, it means that they r the parents... Lol its like that in Punjabi.. So it has been translated to literally. Hope i answered ur question. Hor baki sab? everything else is fine? sadly i cant dedicate the same time to sikhiwiki anymore as i used to (in free time im writing a big volumed book, which may take years, like big history)... your painting of hari singh nalwa was used in the uk's best punjabi newspaper Des PArdes some weeks back. when i saw it i wanted to tell, but dunno forgot to tell... Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 23:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Kalgi of Guru Gobind Singh Ji

Richard ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Unfortunately, it does not give me any pleasure as I believe that the item had a better enviroment here in the UK for its preservation.

Unfortunately, the Punjabis are not ones to look after historical things very carefully. As we can see, very few of the historical items and building have been preserved. The item would have been much better preserved here in the UK and it would have a much wider audience.

Further, many Sikhs live and visit museums and enjoy the darshan of historical item relating to Sikhi here as well. In my opinion, we should have a good spread of our Sikh history for all the world to enjoy. Punjabis do not have a monopoly on Sikh history. Sikhs are now part of many global communities. A step backward I think! What are your thoughts? Hari Singh^talk 18:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Repost - sorry previously posted in hurry

That post was not for you, that was for hari singh ji i want him to take care of articles which i would create soon, on charitropakhyan written by guru gobind singh. there are many foes of bani of Guru Gobind Singh due to their wrong interpretations. So i am interpreting the controverial bani, with help of positive interpretations of some sikh scholars. Whenever we search on google about dasam granth we just get controversial or negative prespective of it.

Sir you know with your touch my articles are worth reading, and i want the articles which i will create on Dasam Bani on charitropakhyan, the meaning of article should not be changed, and i know you will help in improving standard of article. so dont take tension bro. if any prob contact me i wrote first article Tale of King of Sirmaur.....thanks (Lucky 17:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC))

Qudrat

Bhai sahib ji,

Please refer to: http://www.advancedcentrepunjabi.org/eos/QUDRAT%20(SPELLED%20QUDRATI%20IN%20GURBANI).html which may provide answers. If not please leave a memo as before. Many thanks as always. Regards, Hari Singh^talk 22:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Probably due to the different time zone, we would normally be "out-of-sync" in our "shift" at the computer. Also, I do not generally look at the comment field in great detail. Good to know this url may have the original article. I find that these original articles are in "old English" and need to be "softened" a little to fit into the language of today. Hope it does the trick! Regards, Hari Singh^talk 23:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Roudh

Bhai sahib ji,

Seems a bit far fetched but we will give the contributor a chance to prove us wrong! Thanks to you and Lucky for monitoring the edits. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 00:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Roudh and Dr. Arvind-Pal Singh Mandair

Bhai sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

I think this "Roudh history" may not have any sound grounding or written records. We may need to re-word the article to reflect this as most of the claims appear to be "oral" versions, etc. No link found to the video referred to in this comment?

I will try and find some data on the Dr. Never come across him before. Many thanks again, Hari Singh^talk 15:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Got into the middle again

Bhai sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Lucky ji, I only noticed you were not finished after some changes, how are things in Punjab, have the rains finally cooled things down. While checking a note to Hari ji, I noticed that you had been talking with Jarnail Singh, what a rotten thing for his paper (and goverment) to do. I wish him the best, surely good things will come to him and his family. Hopefully, if he wants, he can get his journalist card restored. I am sure that he would have no trouble landing another job.

Raab Rakha, Allenwalla 06:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Got into the middle again

Bhai sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Sorry Lucky ji, I only noticed you were not finished (Gurdwara Guru Gobind Singh Ji (Sirsa), after some changes. How are things in Punjab, your studies, your family; have the rains finally cooled things down. While checking a note to Hari ji, I noticed that you had been talking with Jarnail Singh, what a rotten thing for his paper (and goverment) to do. I wish him the best, surely good things will come to him and his family. Hopefully, if he wants, he can get his journalist card restored. I am sure that he would have no trouble landing another job.

Raab Rakha, Allenwalla 06:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

sat shri akaal sir ji

how are you sir jee hope everything's fine.

i m now finished with that article, everything's fine in punjab including studies, family. no proper raining is there it just like drizzling for an hour or two to make atmosphere cool but still it's hot in sunny days and humid too. he cannot get his card restored due to that act which he did bring shame to journalism society, but he is sikh also. he is planning for books on survivers of 84 riots.

Sir i am writing and article on Guru Nanak & Shamsis, i have followed various books and internet too, after that i am creating this article. I am writing whole the article as an idea help me in peoper translation and grammer. thanks (Lucky 18:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC))

reply 4m jarnail singh

bhai saab this is very tough question. anyway, my shoe wa not off before the incident. yes it was a bit loose my ankle had been giving problem for a while. there was an extra cushion in my shoe too. hope your friend has got his answer.

(Lucky 14:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC))

sat shri akaal again

sir my main idea was to tell what article says, i am not good at all in english. so you can change accordingly with synonyms r more correct word. i have no problem sir ji. now you have to help me in interpretation of these charitars. thanks (Lucky 18:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC))

Bhatts

Hi Bhai sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

I am not very familiar with Bhatt Bani (apart from 1 or 2 shabads) but I will look at this in more detail during this week. What is more difficult to deal with the the concept of God and "son of God". Gurbani addresses all souls as a "light" of God so we are all little sparks of God; or saints have even been called "sons of the Lord"; and Bani constantly refers to the "soul" as the "wife of the Husband Lord".

With this in mind then to call a "saint" a "son of God" is acceptable as far a Gurbani goes. However, the son cannot be called the father as Guru Gobind Singh made very clear. There is a big jump from being the spark to the becoming fire itself; but the interaction between the soul and super-soul is not a easy concept to comprehend completely.

So this then brings us to the concept of "Guru Nanak, son of Lord Vishnu". I am not an expert on Hindu concepts of "Gods" but if this statement is saying in effect that "Guru Nanak is the son of the Lord" then I don't find that disturbing but if Lord Vishnu refers to something else and not "God" then please correct me. Gurbani refer to God as Guru or Satguru and we find the line "The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi" (Japji ji SGGS page 2) so I take it that the Lord is all those things and also God created all these entities - Lord Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva, etc. Bani also says "From this Primal Void, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva issued forth" (sggs p1037).

I wonder if make the issue any clearer or not? Regards, Hari Singh^talk 12:49, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

lol....

I was sleeping during solar eclipse and before few minutes i got the news that today was solar eclipse. Actually holidays and lazyness makes a person ignorant and same happened. ya it was longest eclipse in 20th century. (Lucky 09:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC))

• • Sikh do not believe in avtarvaad, how can they treat guru nanak, an avtar or prophet or last massenger etc. we believe in philosphy given by them and not only he but namdev, kabir, fareed etc. Guru ji added only those bani in guru granth shaib which is ok acc to sikhi. (Lucky 08:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC))

• • Kindly check the article Guru Nanak & Bal Gundai and corrrect it's english thanks (Lucky 19:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC))

Thank you.

Thank you veerji for helping to populate the Prof. Darshan Singh Khalsa page. A great help as I didn't know how to do it.

Thank you.

Fateh

Sorry for late reply ji. I was and still am in france (attended two Sikhi Gurmat camps). I dont remember date or article of the painting sorry, but i am 150% it was your painting. Sunnybondsinghjalwehra 11:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Harjinder Singh Jinda - Thanks

Thanks a lot for fixing my errors in Harjinder Singh Jinda. Kind Regards....--Singh6 16:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Richard, I have replied to your questions over here and here.

• Jinda or Jindha is a nick name. It does not have any meening. Usually if your name is Harjinder, people start calling you Jind or Jinda. His nick name became very famous, people out there generally recall him with his nick name "Jinda" only.
• Yes! He was studying in 2nd year of BA degree in Khalsa College Amritsar and he quit it to join this movement.
• Fighting to get a new country is a big thing, You can not get a country only with fight, Its a game of chess, you need to gain public support, or you need to turn the remaining segments of public against the establishments. Money/finance always keep an important stage in destroying/establishing the countries. I have read some history books on how Sikhs weakened the Mughal Empire in northern India prior to establishing their own Sikh Empire. When they were only fighting against the Moghuls, they were not getting much success. Then they started looting/destroying the Moghul treasury which helped them to by weapons and forced the establishment to offer governership (Nawabi) to Sikhs (which was finally handed over to Kapoor Singh, thats how he became 'Nawab' Kapoor Singh). This was the begining of initial Sikh rule.
• Regarding the bank robbery, Punjab National Bank is an Indian government owned bank. If this bank lost money then it was basically Indian government's loss. It was owner's (i.e.india's) responsibility to run the bank properly and safeguard the money. Owner is bound to return the money to the account holders unless it go bankrupt. So it appears that by doing so, sikhs tried to conflict financial loss to the regime and use regime's money against the same. --Singh6 21:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
• If they looted multiple govt banks then it means they conflicted multiple financial losses to the regime. If they burnt government properties that means more financial losses of government.
• In this kind of situations, regimes end up paying late salaries and imposing extra taxes on the public... which make public go against the regimes.
• Even Gandhi did something similar but through peacefull means, World powers did the same against other countries through UN resolutions. We might not like it, but thats how several regimes were destroyed or built in the history.--Singh6 21:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Sir ji

I met captain fateh singh personally and would bring proper article, actually my article is in lappy and lappy is with my faternal uncle. (Lucky 16:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC))

• • Can you read gurmukhi script? (Lucky 08:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC))

Zakariya Khan

Dear Bhai sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Many thanks for the valuable information on the above and the link to the Google search on Zakariya Khan - its good to see SikhiWiki near the top of these searches. I have emailed the people at Britannica Online Encyclopedia and sent you a copy. Clearly this information is incorrect. Let's hope we get this amended. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 18:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Sant Baba Karam Singh Ji

Bhai sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Thanks for your kind message. I agree entirely; if the meaning in English is not there then it becomes a little pointless considering that this is primarily a Sikhi site meant for English speaking people.

A very good site for checking word meaning of Gurbani is Srigranth; unfortunately it does not always yield meaning in English but it does always explain in simple Punjabi; so it may help others who put Gurbani on the site.

For the point that you raise regarding the word "maange" one needs to find the shabad at this site. The easiest way is either by the page number or the English translation.

In this case it gives this page: Page 266

If you then click on the Gurmukhi word "ਮਾਗੈ" - if you cannot make out the Gurmukhi which I presume you can't - the Gurmukhi is transliterated into Roman a couple of lines below so follow this word for word to see the vocalisation of the Gurmukhi words. so the line "ਚਾਰਿ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮਾਗੈ ॥" in Gurmukhi is vocalised as "Cẖĝr paḝĝrath je ko mĝgai." word for word.

So in this case the word "mĝgai" relates to the 5th word in line 1 in Gurmukhi" - this takes you to the dictionary and hopefully it gives its English meaning - unfortunately in case it only gives more Punjabi but that which anyone with Punjabi background can understand - translating this Punjabi gives meanings "to ask"; "are asking for"; "praying for"; "will ask for";" are asking for"; " as a result of asking".

I hope this helps. Please feel free to ask further if this does not "paint a complete picture". Many thanks and regards, Hari Singh^talk 13:08, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

As you say, Bhai sahib ji, there is great overlap and interlinking in our languages as can be seen with just one word; it can travel the whole way around the world. The word "MaAn-Gay" is "to ask" but a similar sounding word "maN-gal" means "Joy, delight, bliss" - so apart from the "great melting pot" of the world languages, there is also great diversity and richness in our languages. Many thanks for your keen observations. Kind regards, Hari Singh^talk 11:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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Mars, Mangla, Mangala, Manlik, a baby boy with a full set of teeth.

Hi Richard,

The word "Suthra" or ਸ੝ਥਰਾ is translated at SriGranth as "Neat, chaste, clean, tidy, pure, trim, terse, orderly." I understand it as "tidy, clean and pure".

And as you say, Suthra Shah's sakhi and name revolves around this word. I think it is pure superstition that he was discarded because of a black mark on his face and the full set of teeth. Due to these unusual features, he was considered "kuthra" which means "dirty or polluted," destined to bring bad luck and so was abandoned. There is no logic here or ritual practise just discrimination against someone who is born different!

Congratulation on a long successful marriage and may it continue to flourish. The wearing of the Maangal suther, I believe is a Hindu custom but many find it significant as it is a sign of dedication and a sign of connection; replaced in the west by exchange of rings. As long as the custom has meaning for the wearer then it is useful and has significance; when customs have no real meaning, then they should not be practised. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Hari Singh^talk 21:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Cousin and counsin brother

Bhai sahib ji,

Could the term be to distinguish a cousin brother from a cousin sister? I am not an expert on relations which are defined in great depth in Punjabi but please consider and advise?

In Punjabi their is no word for cousin so a cousin brother is referred to as a brother. Regards, Hari Singh^talk 09:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

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thanx --user:sarbjeet_1313me 05:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)