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That was Wonderfull..

...info about Nanak's association With Ladakh. I have tried to blend your input with the text of the article page. You can write directly into the article page itself. Any messages to other users , like this one which I am writing here can go it to The Talk pages. Do let me or any old hands at SikhiWiki know if we can improve anything any where.

The foundation of 'Sikhi. working' on Sikhi, being..... working for Sikhi. of no other brand , but of Nanak's brand.

SADA SACH HEE...

• SIKHO (LEARN nothing but: O Sikh.o!! sirf TRUTH god's NAAM JAANo!

• SIKHAO) (HELP OTHERS LEARN nothing but: O Sikh.o!! sirf TRUTH god's NAAM DAAN kro!

• SOCHO aty SUDHARO (introspect): O Sikh.o!! sirf TRUTH god's NAAM naal he ISHNAANkro!

Sikhi is growing that is heartening. stay in touch & motivate your friends & others to to join in. will be back. a bit in a hurry now --Mutia 08:27, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

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Keshdhari

Sarbjeet ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Many thanks for your contribution on this topic but I think (and believe) that the definition is not strictly correct according to Gurbani and in particular Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Doesn't this Shabad give a definition of a Sikh - Maharaj says:

SGGS Page 305 Full Shabad

ਮਃ ੪ ॥ Mehlĝ 4. Fourth Mehl: ਗ੝ਰ ਸਤਿਗ੝ਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖ੝ ਅਖਾਝ ਸ੝ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ੝ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ Gur saṯgur kĝ jo sikẖ akẖĝ­ė so bẖalkė uṯẖ har nĝm ḝẖi­ĝvai. One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru, the True Guru, shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name. ਉਦਮ੝ ਕਰੇ ਭਲਕੇ ਪਰਭਾਤੀ ਇਸਨਾਨ੝ ਕਰੇ ਅੰਮ੝ਰਿਤ ਸਰਿ ਨਾਵੈ ॥ Uḝam karė bẖalkė parbẖĝṯī isnĝn karė amriṯ sar nĝvai. Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar. ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ਗ੝ਰੂ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪ੝ ਜਾਪੈ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਦੋਖ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵੈ ॥ Upḝės gurū har har jap jĝpai sabẖ kilvikẖ pĝp ḝokẖ leh jĝvai. Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased. ਫਿਰਿ ਚੜੈ ਦਿਵਸ੝ ਗ੝ਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵੈ ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ੝ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ Fir cẖaṛai ḝivas gurbĝṇī gĝvai bahḝi­ĝ uṯẖ­ḝi­ĝ har nĝm ḝẖi­ĝvai. Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name. ਜੋ ਸਾਸਿ ਗਿਰਾਸਿ ਧਿਆਝ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੋ ਗ੝ਰਸਿਖ੝ ਗ੝ਰੂ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥ Jo sĝs girĝs ḝẖi­ĝ­ė mėrĝ har har so gursikẖ gurū man bẖĝvai. One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind. ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਦਇਆਲ੝ ਹੋਵੈ ਮੇਰਾ ਸ੝ਆਮੀ ਤਿਸ੝ ਗ੝ਰਸਿਖ ਗ੝ਰੂ ਉਪਦੇਸ੝ ਸ੝ਣਾਵੈ ॥ Jis no ḝa­i­ĝl hovai mėrĝ su­ĝmī ṯis gursikẖ gurū upḝės suṇĝvai. That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed. ਜਨ੝ ਨਾਨਕ੝ ਧੂੜਿ ਮੰਗੈ ਤਿਸ੝ ਗ੝ਰਸਿਖ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਆਪਿ ਜਪੈ ਅਵਰਹ ਨਾਮ੝ ਜਪਾਵੈ ॥੨॥ Jan Nĝnak ḝẖūṛ mangai ṯis gursikẖ kī jo ĝp japai avrah nĝm japĝvai. ॥2॥ Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that GurSikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ॥2॥

The mention of Kesh is not there. I wonder where it in Gurbani it says that a Sikh MUST have Kesh and that without Kesh the person cannot be a Sikhs?

Also, until 1699, it appears that there was no requirement for Sikhs to don a Turban and I wonder if all Sikhs kept their hair? Personally, I believe not. Also many Muslims were engaged in the Guru service but they remained Muslims - and there must have been many who followed the Gurus, but had not yet become "full" Sikhs - Surely here the word Sehajdhari applies and then they may don hair and turban and be called Keshdhari without actually taking Amrit.

I accept that after 1699, the requirement changed but only for the Khalsa. Some say that various famous Sikhs did not become Khalsa - ie? Bhai Nand Lal ji, Bhai Kanhaiya ji, etc. To me the word Keshdhari is relevant but it does not make the other word like Sehajdhari, Amritdhari, etc redundant.

That's my humble feelings - what do you say? das. Hari Singh 08:20, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

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Sarabjeet je WaKaFa! I am Amita Singh & welcome on SikhiWiki ,I organised your text a bit to to make it easy for you to aquint yourself with the formats ete to begin with. just start writing. We at SikhiWiki help each other & will take you along. Look forward to you being comfortable with the leyouts ete.

Feel free to interact with other users through the talk pages or through emails (where ever available in the profiles of individual users) Do not worry if you make mistakes . If you want to write about Gurdwaras ete just extend the text above . There are other Users who will follow it up & guide you . just feel dashing & bindaas. It is Sach Khand, Sikh.s, Sikhi. & ideas all over. Seeing you & looking forward to more intimate associations.

Gur Fateh WaKaFa ! User: Mutia 17 Jul 07

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Dear Sarbjeet Singh ji WaKaFa! thanks for your interest & staying with the site. I am a girl and writer by Profession , Located in Delhi .I write on SikhiWiki as Gurbani expects us to do GurSeva (Seva of SatGurBani).

As I can appreciate from spirit of your letter that God ( Nanak prefers to refer to God as 'TRUTH god' because true Name of GOD is 'TRUTH'. i. e. SatNaam as is written in the beginning of Mool Mantar. ) has blessed you with the intellect to read SatGurBani written on your heart. SatGurBani was not written by our gurus. It is already written on every body's heart. Gurus just copied it on paper for us to get guided for reading it from our heart ( they sacrificed themself for doing this) .

A Sikh is called a TRUE Sikh. only when he learns to read Gurbani from his / her heart . Gurbani is GOD's language written on every one's heart. By repeatedly listening to, speaking / singing ,& pondering over the meaning one becomes fluent in understanding the TRUE meaning conveyed by it. This is TRUE Sikhi..

In this writing I have included some links relevant to the persona of TRUE Sikh. & his his/ her TRUE Sikhi. . Do share your mind with other users on any Issues which you think are worth discussing keeping in mind Our Gurus' thumb rule on practicing Sikhi. as given in this tuk of Bani ...hum nhin changy bura nahin koy....... First we must correct ourselves before we discuss stupidities of others.

As a new guest to the house needs guidance about the lay out of the rooms, location of switches etc, please permit me to give you a broad lay out of our house called Sikhi . Better still, we need to treat this web site not as a mere Web Site but a Gurdwara. It is an IT age Gurdwara. I love to call this Gurdwara it self as Sikhi by hiding its 'Wiki' part of the name from the readers but not from the Server . Here are a few points about Sikhi (layout ) of Sikhi( this Gurdwara)

all pages on Sikhi are organised in pairs as under:-

• 1.Article Pages The page which carries the articles being written by users. the name of the page becomes the Name of the page itself . Here we need to ensure that a correct name is given.
• 2. Talk Pages On these pages other users write their comments on the Article.

Every user owns a pair of two pages as under :-

• 1. Your Personal Page : This is a personal page and every user is expected to introduse himself to all the other users about his name interests etc like I have done on this page of mine. This is Your Personal Page. You can write about yourself some thing like you write in your bio-data submitted for applying for a job etc. Do not give any telephone Nos. In case you are comfortable with working on Net & with due approval from Senior members of your family, you may give your e mail address. It will helps other users of similar interests to communicate with you through email.
• 2. Your User Talk Page: This is your letter Box where users will write messages for you like I am writing this Text Now

I have moved your letter written to me on my This User Talk Page.

Two articles initiated by you titled 'Nanak in J & K' and 'J & K Sikhs' have been named that way on two different Article Pages. From now on, I plan working with you as a team on J & K Sikhs Page. Try writing your views on this page after practicing a bit on a page called Sand Bag .You should be able to get the link of 'Sand Bag' from this-->>'HELP!'page 'Sand Bag' is some thing like a place where one learns driving before actually driving in heavy traffic. For details of how to work on Sikhi. (this Web Site) click here --->>>> HELP!

In my next communication I plan sharing my mind with you on the issue of Punjab Sikhs as you rightfully expressed your concern about Stay in touch .  ! I know J & K well as my father was posted there about a few years back . Bye for now. & Gur Fateh .....User: Mutia

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Keshdhari Sikhs

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh Sarbjeet ji, You take a very firm stand on kesh - you said "A sikh without keshas is not considered a sikh". This is a very strong statement and does not give any leeway to a person who is slowly adopting the Sikh way. I agree that kesh is important but I believe that Gurmat does not bar a person from calling himself a Sikh if he has not yet donned full kesh.

All I am trying to establish is where we draw the line. I say if one accepts Sri Guru Granth Sahib as Guru and none other, then he is a Sikh. You say that the person must have Kesh before he can call himself a Sikh. I have never come across this in Gurbani - It is purely for that reason I asked you ...where in Gurbani it says that a Sikh MUST have Kesh and that without Kesh the person cannot be a Sikhs? Does it actually say that in Gurbani? I agree we have a difference of opinion but I was wondering if you are relying on Gurbani to come to your opinion or "you have formed this opinion independently"? Kind regards. das, Hari Singh 17:52, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Hello Sarab

Mainu eh sun kae bohot wadiyaa lagea kae J & K dae sikhs nae sihi swaroop pooree taranh apnaeaa hai. Good going keep it up. Punjab dae sikh mundae salle kuttae bhaiyae bann gaye hann saleaan nae waal kat maare jedey pagg bandey hann ohna dee daari katee hundee, Maunae kuttae pagg ban kae bai jandey hann. Sorry mainu gussa charda so i have to write it.

Meri bhuaa da munda waal katti baitha tae nashey pattey karda eh chaddo sala Labana ho kae apnae aap nu jatt akwanda. Mere sahmney jatt rehndae tae sarey daari katti baithey hann.

Mainu wekh kai baba keh kae hasdey hann bhaiyaae bahman jaat dae. Main ehee kehnda haan Haramion gato ghat mera roop apnae dharam pita guru gobind naal mildaa tuada dharam pita kehra. Eho jehe nu Harami kehndae.

Siraf tann naal nahin mann naal wee guru waley hona paindaa. Main ini galan kadiyaan eh guru da sikh nahin kaddh reha eh gussa bol reha hai mera is dubdee jandi sikhi nu wekh kae bolan lai bohot kuj pea, koi chat id hai kathey gall kardey..rabb rakha........Sorry for all that vulgar words..gussae ch Paapi

Sat Shri Akaal

• Are you Related to Amitha Singh or any of Mutia's Family.
• What do you do?
• Are you Amritdhari or Kesdhari(Just) or Rauda sikh???
• If you belongs to Jammu then do one thing if u can visit near by gurudwars and click soome images and do put it on website. This is not zabardasti. PLease do a favour may u live long.
  

Enjoy Life Ustaad Singh 31st July 2007, 10:31 PM, Mohali, India

Sikh Magazine

You moved the article untitled "Sikh Phulwari" to "SIKH MAGZINES" - This has several errors -

• 1. the titles should be in "Title case" - See Wikipedia Naming conventions
• 2. The spelling according to my spell-checker is incorrect. Please use spell-checker to check all the spellings in the title and in the text of the article. But the title is most important!
• 3. The name of the magazine is "Sikh Phulwari" - so that seems to be the right name to give to the article - don't you agree?

I hope you agree with me on these points. das, Hari Singh 12:35, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

I am glad we have sorted this one out quickly - I have created a new Category under "Magazines". I hope that will help us categorise these articles more efficiently. Many thanks, Hari Singh 16:09, 18 August 2007 (EDT)

Ardaas Wallon Lucky

Lucky wallon tuhadey murhey ardaas hai kae Mere Grandmom is suffering from cancer of Liver n Colon(intestine). No treatment is there for the dreadful disease as her age is 80+1 or 2. I want the users please benyty hai

Ik ardas rabb aggae kar dena, Kae mere Dadi ji nu ghato ghat 5 saal di hor sakoon bhari life den. Please shayad oh ik pal tusee guru nu jud ardaas karo kisi de life sudhar sakdee hai tae Kisey dee zindagee ch khushi aa sakdee hai. Ik Ardaas Insaniyat(Humanity) wajon kar dena. Oh pain naal bohot buri taran kalpdey hann, wekhya nahin jaunda. Weak ho gaye hann. But apan ohna nu nahin dasya kae ohna nu cancer hai taanki oh positive minded rehan. PLease help her by pray before god. Kisi da ik pal kisi nu jind dae sakda tae kisey nu khushi de sakda please.

Rabb tuhada bhala karey, sarbat da bhala karey. Waheguru jee ka khalsa Whaguru je ke fateh.
Lucky

Bohot bohot Dhanwaad

Rabb tuadean SHUBH MANOKAMNA Purian karey. .....LUCKY

Misinformation

"wrong information on Wikipedia.... 'Magnetic Hill India'...10th Nanak meditated their in 17 cen.....fact...Guru Nanak meditated...a month ago,.... Now i ve been blocked....Pl."

Khalik khalak,....Thou(no attributes) are HUMANITY(with human attributes)

• Khalsaji I share your concern, why should they block you ?.
• These are the tricks which web site mangers resort to, to hide their faces.
• Since WikiPedia is not a Khalsa web site we can not really expect them to follow the Sikhi concepts of Sharing TRUE IDEAs.
• They ( even our own Sikh Web sites ) regulate the inputs from Khalk (Humanity / Guru roop / TRUTH god)as per their whims, fencies, profits & ugendas. Will be with you --{{User: Mutia|--Mutia 13:49, 25 August 2007 (EDT)]]

I have looked at the page on Wikipedia Magnetic Hill (India) and I agree that the information there is incorrect - unfortunately, the setup at Wikipedia is driven by the majority who are non-Sikhs - so it is impossible to get the correct information on the Sikhi articles easily at that site.

I have left a message with User:Sukh who has more experience at Wikipedia and I hope he will be able to help - although he also does not play an important role there now. Unfortunately, the article is based on incorrect information from the Hindu newspaper - may be we should get that corrected first!

I would not worry about that site too much as it is well known that many Sikhi aspect have been wrongly represented. Let us work on SikhiWiki and make it the number 1 site for Sikhi information. Then Wikipedia will refer users to our site! Kind regards. das, Hari Singh 17:14, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Help with Link to the page

Magnetic Hill India: I could not trace this page Help! ----Mutia 13:49, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

We Indians are Misinforming the World about Ourselves

• I got the page...

Writes Indian Daily HINDU of jun 3003:-

"A few kilometres from the ``Magnetic Hill is ``Gurdwara Patthar Sahib where Guru Gobind Singh, the tenth guru of sikhs, had sat on meditation in the 17th century. The Gurdwara, which has its own religious importance for the Sikhs, has remained in the oblivion due to its location."

"Maintained by the Army, the Gurdwara is more of a place of prayer for the locals, armymen and tourists. Not many Sikhs from other parts of the country visit the place."

Sarabjeet je, I have supplemented your note. Could you share with us the source of your info. Before Wikipedia, It calls for HINDU being asked to clarify the anamoly.

{{User:Mutia|--Mutia 14:27, 25 August 2007 (EDT)]]

Paapi! Says

Hello Mr. Sarabjit jee yar kuj photos wee pa davo gurudware diyaan main tatpar haan wekhan layee. user:paapi

Duplicate categories?

Khalsa ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Can only find the category Gurudwara In Jammu & Kashmir which has 14 members - I cannot find the other one - please type the exact name. Thanks. das, Hari Singh 12:33, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

I think the list at Gurdwaras_In_India - Jammu & Kashmir and the category list produced by Gurudwara In Jammu & Kashmir are both useful because the first one lists all the Gurdwaras even if no article exists for that Gurdwara while the other one only gives a list of existing gurdwaras in J&K. They cannot be said to be absolute duplicates but I agree that there is some repetition in the lists. I believe that User:Thegreateditor has done a lot of work on the Gurdwara lists - perhaps you can ask him to have a look at this problem. Also, I am not familiar with the Gurdwara in J&K. You may find that he has better knowledge of Gurdwara in India. das, Hari Singh 22:26, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

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Sarbjeet ji,

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
Khalsa ji, thank you for your kind message. With Waheguru's grace I hope you are all fine.
Hopefully the Gurudwara article has now been sorted! I have merged the two articles.
Regarding the Gurdwaras in india J&k list - if you goto the Gurdwaras that are not in the "Gurudwaras In Jammu & Kashmir category" and add the category line at the bottom - that will bring them into the category list. Let me know if you have any difficulty.

Kind regards, das, Hari Singh 11:36, 16 September 2007 (EDT)

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Sarbjeet ji,
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
Khalsa ji, Second Gurdwaras also done. I hope this is now OK. Many thanks for the careful observation. Regards, das Hari Singh 10:55, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

...Gurbani should not be inserted in every article

Sarabjeet je WaKaFa !

• Thanks for your sweet letter & being communicative.
• I will be back to you ----Mutia 21:17, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

Sikh Code of Conduct

Respected Sarbjeet, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

I accept what you say - Many different Sikh bodies continue to have so called "Rehat Maryadas" but this article is dealing with the Codes of conduct as stipulated by Guru Granth Sahib. The article SGGS on meat gives quotations from Gurbani which deal with this issue and should be the deciding factor for a Sikh. As a Guru's Sikh, I think Gurbani is our only spiritual guide in this world and that we should not rely on any other guidance or "Rehat Maryada".

SikhiWiki is a web-site completely devoted to the Guru and as such we cannot get involved in the "manmat" influenced "maryadas" being proposed by the many different Sikh bodies. As Sikhs, what the Guru says should be our only guidance in life. We should not be influenced in our spiritual understanding by other sources. I am not "spreading my views" in this article - The statement is based on the article SGGS on meat, which has quotations from Gurbani. I am only interpreting the message of our Guru.

What do you think of the message of the Guru? SGPC is not the authority on Sikhism, the Guru is! SGPC can only be a guide in this matter, just like any other external body. ONLY the Guru is the authority on matter pertaining to Sikhism. A Sikh is defined as a person who follows the Guru Granth Sahib only.

I don't follow anyone but the Guru and I am sure you will also do the same. Let us all be the followers of our Guru and no-one-else. God Bless - Guru de kirpa. Bhul-chuk-maf, das, Hari Singh 12:18, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

Gurudwara Pather Sahib, Leh

Sarbjeet Ji

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Well done and congratulation on your marvellous effort in the name of the Guru. May Waheguru continue to bless you with such perseverance and dedication to Sikhi. You have my support and respect for the excellent observation and then the strength to make sure that the TRUTH prevails. Regards always, das Hari Singh 16:26, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

To give direct link to a SikhiWiki page - First in a separate tab (or window) load the SikhiWiki article on the Gurdwara. Go to the top of the window at the url line. Copy this url. Eg: for the page on Gurudwara Pather Sahib, Leh the url is: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurudwara_Pather_Sahib%2C_Leh - Once you have highlighted this and copied it, go to the Wikipedia article and under the section "External Links" enter the line as shown below:

* [http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurudwara_Pather_Sahib%2C_Leh SikhiWiki article on Gurudwara]

Then preview and save in the normal way. That should do the trick! Good luck. das, Hari Singh 05:34, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Mutia aka Amita Singh blocked?????

Sarbjeet Ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

I have warned User:Mutia several times about keeping to Wiki-style and wiki-etiquette but I have not carried out the blocking action. I have checked the block list and the user is not on the list - It is possible that the user shares the same ip address as user:Viamedia who was block for advertising, I believe. I will scan the wiki forum to see if the ip address can be re-instated without user:Viamedia. Many thanks for letting me know. Regards, Hari Singh 16:20, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Gulab Singh duplicates

Sarbjeet ji,
Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Khalsa ji, I can find the article Gulab Singh but cannot find the duplicate Gulab Singh, Lahore. Could you please give the correct link to the second article? Many thanks. das, Hari Singh 18:36, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Thanks!

Sarabje it is me. Thanks for staying alert & alive !!

• Thanks to GurMastakje for reviving Mutia.

• Alert & alive r"hxa hukm h"

WaKaFa !!!

--Mutia 08:21, 30 September 2007 (EDT)