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Hope to see more on your article, sorry to jump the gun as i did not look to see the article was still in developement. Empire to me means a bunch of conquered colonies or nations and is a word i find alien to the aims of Guru Gobind Singh by appointing Banda Bahadur not as the next Guru but rather as the Jathedar or first to carry the fight to the oppressors doors.

Please leave a little about yourself on your user page. SSA Allenwalla 17:34, 10 March 2008 (MDT)

Thought i saw a message or question on my changing the word Empire

Sat Shri Akaal, Sunnybondsinghjalwehra ji, you are obviously a very industrious and exceptional eighth grader. My problem with the word empire is that the Romans, Japanese, British (John Company) , Dutch (VOC), Spanish and Portugese all had empires. They fought with each other to take over and conquer smaller less developed nations and countries using the people of their colonies often as slaves.

Whether moving large groups of Indians to Africa to build a railway, or using the Afim of India to addict a majority of Chinese in order to get back the silver the english were spending on tea, killing hundreds of thousands of people whom they thought they were superior to - just seems - well, wrong to me. Here in america we were also under the british thumbs — defeated Cornwallis who After the war Cornwallis who was appointed governor-general and commander in chief in India and is remembered for defeating Tippu Sultan.

The Japanese Empire sliced and diced its way through China killing people at will, so 'Empire' seemed the wrong word for what Guruji had intended when he made Banda Bahadur the Jathedar of the Sikhs. Kingdom is a much better word even though a Kingdom has a 'King'. Banda, a hero to my thinking, would, i can only imagine, not have liked being called a King or Raja. He was sent to clear the Punjab of the likes of Wazir Khan and Muslims of his Ilk. That is why i labeled the page - takes control of Punjab, routes the Mughals, destroyed their tax system, takes Command, etc. as Jathedar is similar to commander… … "Sic semper tyrannis"

Keep up the good work, Raab Rakah Allenwalla 17:37, 14 March 2008 (MDT)

Good morning Amrit vela here

SSA Sunnybondsingh, After some edits last nite at two in the AM i got to sleep. Its Amrit vela now totally dark. now 7:30am, and a loud thunder storm mitt donner und blitzen just came through when your communication reappeared on my screen.

I would probably use the word Liberator for Banda - just a personal choice. Just now all the birds are starting their morning salutations to the now rising sun which has not yet shown its face over the horizon, each bird a different instrument in God's orchestra. The hawk and its mate, the doves, the crows, the woodpeckers are starting their drumming on the trees and a distant neighbors rooster is acknowledging the morning Ru (Roo) as well. wondering if you Spreekt u Nederlands, شما ٝارسی حرٝ می زنید؟ like the Gurus, Kyaa ĝp Urdu boulta hai or Panjabi? Allenwalla 05:56, 15 March 2008 (MDT) a big tornado hit atlanta about 40 miles away last nite with a good bit of destruction.

Chittisinghpura Massacre

The article that i read says unidentified and casts doubt on the 18 year old's confession and pretty well blames the following shoot out where members of the susposed gang were killed on the Indian army or police. DNA tests may yet prove they were farmers and a shepard and a merchant who were forced from their homes and killed, to lay blame and solve the case. what i or anyone feels on who did this matters little as they are only my thoughts and feelings.

Hopefully the truth will win out and eventually be told. i don't who the killers were, can't tell from this story. Most people will blame, even without evidence who ever they trust least. The villager's remarks are what seem to matter.

Please read the whole story.Allenwalla 11:20, 16 March 2008 (MDT)

Thanks for your help

Hi Sunny Singh ji

For a 14 year old, you are doing an excellent job here at SikhiWiki. Many thanks and hope you will continue to spread the Guru's message through this site. If you find any interesting articles on Sikhism on Wikipedia, as that is a GNU licence or "copyleft" site as opposed to copyright, you are welcome to transfer the article to SikhiWiki. Kind regards, Hari Singh 14:47, 2 April 2008 (MDT)

Talk:Gurdwara Tham Sahib, Jamber

Sunny ji, i don't have your excellent source from which you are building your ever growing list. Could you add info on the men named as one links to a musical raga currently. You could write an article on each man, perhaps, i had asked how the latin was and if you spoke walloon , nederlander, or Punjabi -- no response. thanks richardAllenwalla 07:37, 3 April 2008 (MDT)please see Talk:Gurdwara Tham Sahib, Jamber. Keep up the good work Raab Rakah.

Sorry i missed the earlier answer

Sir ji, Your several languages leave me very envious. though i have never studied Nederlander, i can almost make out what you are saying. Our word prattle, to talk on endlessly with no aim or sense is obviously kin to praten (i assume to be- speak), which would also give us pray (talk to God) as in ardas.

Several tornadoes came very near, in a two hour period, our car, truck, my mothers car were all heavily dented (olah) several thousands of dollars. So some insurance, legalized gambling?, money returned. our next door neighbors car had $4,500 damage - a new altima - al (al lah-main god old Arabia/altitude/ Ti - heaven chinese /japanese (Tiananmen Square; square of Heavenly peace--not!/tiara) - ma (great - sanskrit) good name for a car or one's maa. Vahiguru's many words fascinate me.

Many houses were cleft in two by giant trees, I don't think any large city has been struck like this before.

Wondered about your source books? Was just looking at 1 of your articles, Shaheed Singhs - …but if one does not make that effort to lead the life of a Gursikh, Shaheed Singhs will never come to their help.

this means that they only help the good, specifically only Gursikhs?

i will need to finish reading the article. Kingdom is/was--was not a problem, empire (read of the Japanese Empire in the Andaman Island story on main page. The Japanese thought of themselves as the only 'pure' people, as did many of the Mughal rulers--both felt justified in killing anyone not of their sect) was what i questioned. In kingdom of course the required King would be Sat Guru. take care Allenwalla 13:11, 3 April 2008 (MDT)Also delighted to find that the Gurdwara with the skeletal archway/Pol was near Wagah- that info made the article live in my memory. i.e. linked to things i already knew.

caught a note in recent changes

where you wrote

sorry if u didnt like it.. but Madam doesnt mean wife or sweety... it just means MADAME or like a female for sir.. wife in french is FEMME (which also means woman) and sweety is CHèR(male)/CHèR.

never showed on my page

Madam, you are correct, means woman equiv to Sir (Madam i am Adam/malayalam) oh there goes those nasty pallindromes, madhuum simply sounds like madame (my dame)(maybe not as it's spoken in India, where a -v- is often written as a -w- and spoken as something like a -woi- / madam is usually an english word - mea culpa.----- ma - great/ dam-that wich restrains i.e. damodara- rope around the waist least he eat all the honey.

sorry if u didnt like it? what did i not like, ish ka bibel! i did miss the context glad to see you liked the headline. also glad to see you add the languages on your user page very impressive.

one thing you could answer for me- the word chakk (chak Nanaka) sometimes appears to be used in place of village

and chandini chawk or chowk , possibly a square? any thoughts on the word would be appreciated, Raab Rakah, richard ---

Thanks for the info on Chakk

Sunny ji , be sure to thank your dad as well. Your answers confirmed my suspicion - for, over the Abode of snow - in China- the Kanji for village looks pretty much like a tic-tac-toe grid with the square in the middle having the communal well or tanki for the eight surrounding farms-homes and fields. In grateful appreciation I added a little to your new page the Mari Butchian Encounter.

You may have to change the beginning or better yet, revert to your version.

I, inspite of the writing, completely ignored ( sometimes i'm more a-dolt than an adult… one gets afraid of alzheimers as he gets older)--the phrase - police and border security force's surrounded the house where Bhai Jugraj Singh Toofan was staying for the night and the encounter started… …Jugraj Singh started to use his AK 94) and imagined that the man was cleaning his rifle when he noticed the trick and the men then left to spare their hosts coming under fire. As i have probably rewritten the actual events please kindly revert to your version.

As the story, probably from your history sources, is written it might be taken either way. I would like to think that the Azadi fighters were clever enough to think--"wait a minute he/she (unstated in page) was awfully eager to go to town, maybe we should check our weapons and look outside for the wolves." Then valiantly leave to spare their hosts (voluntary or not, unsaid in story) certain death.

If I have messed the story up totally please revert-I added potential links when you get to the Shaheedi bios, which might solicit others joining your efforts by adding info/details you might not have.

I also, if the story supports it, like to relate stories to similar events in Sikh history, hence the added link to Guru Gobind Sing ji and the clapping and his yelling "PeerÚ Hind Rahaavat" as his companions left in several directions, in case some other young Sikh, less motivated to learn and teach history than you (whatever your reasons for undertaking such a task, one which usually only adults undertake -- whatever it is, you are teaching history), and particularly some non Sikh teenager or better yet older person who knows nothing of Khalistan and is ignorant of the issues, the desires -- sees Guru Gobind Singh in blue letters - clicks and starts down a new path which could enrich his/her life. thanks again, richard Allenwalla 09:40, 5 April 2008 (MDT)

Oops, as i was about to go and do a little farming or fencing, as the fifteen deer that share our acre and all the neighbors' are eating all the beans, peppers and tomatoes as they sprout, when i remembered i still had not answered your respondez s'il vous plait. I speak read and write English, lived in Italy trente ani fa per tre mesi - ha besognia de molta pratica, studied french 4 years -ai besoin de practice - my french is awful, Japanese, Chinese, Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Hebrew, Greek, Farsi and Sanskrit and latin in college i speak and read very little, but study them all as needed. My Monier Williams Sanskrit is full in every margin as are my Oxford Hindi, Urdu, Farsi and Punjabi, Latin and Hebrew dictionaries which I need to have rebound.

My first experience with an Indian language was on the grand canal in Venice when an Indian ran up to me. He had noticed my metal film canisters taped to my strap and liked the idea. He kept repeating fee lim, fee lim - took me a few seconds to understand that Indians see syllables where English see none. At the next corner a German couple ran up to me saying, Ver is das Boot--I listened carefully and took them to the gondoliere I had just passed who gratefully paid for my dinner that night when I encountered him again at his restaurant near my hotel. I always follow the locals to their cafes to get a good meal and don't stop in the tourist traps. A good Guru Ka Langar whenever possible, usually Yuba City or just above Berkeley, California, where i met ma femme, mera bebi, patni, hausfrau, etc. My Urdu and Hindi-speaking friends had much frivolity when I would say key--as jah bee and they would all turn to leave (fast) as i didn't know about 'chabee'. A Japanese friend went to Atlanta one day to pick up a friend coming from Japan who spoke very little English. They sat in a cafe and were served coffee. The fresh off the plane Japanese exclaimed, bitter! in Japanese. The African-American sitting next to him got up and knocked him out of his seat--i had to tell him why!. The answer to that is a story in my yet to be written book on language and its roots to Asia. Something i am still mulling over. I fortunately never made the mistake of taking a date out to a french cafe to impress her and doing the classic-- I would like a soup de jower. All to be in the book when i get it done.

Sat Shri Akaal

Sat Shri Akaal Sunny, tell me one thing Gurudwara Kali Devi is a gurdwara or a temple??As the photo uploaded over here feels like it is a temple. Is Guru Granth Sahib installed at said place. I mean will you call i t gurdwara or mandir

Amazing work done especially Khalistani articles and Pakistani gurdwara articles. Good job (Lucky 00:19, 6 April 2008 (MDT))

Gøod job

SSA,

VEER JI,

U R DOING A GUD JOB,KEEP IT UP

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Good to see you getting notice

Sorry to hear you have to go back to school, or rather that you will have to cut back on contributing. if i were there and a teenager. Teen (3) TEEN AGER I WOULD HAVE probably gone to Paris, have you heard of Mont Martre (the mountain of martyrs)-the beautiful church with thousands of martyrs who were sealed, alive in the caves of the mountain. The Gates ar Arlington cemetary, Once General Grants Home his wife George Washington's grand daughter? was stolen and never given back after out civil war. The General, northern, who used the home, buried so many dead soldiers in his yard - saying he'll never get his home back. Reminded me of the 2 generals who had worked together as those at arlington national cemetary where war heroes can be buried. Anyway the Gates say in gold Pro Patria Mori.

This may be history of little interest to you. wondered if you have read the Iranian flag, which looks like the Sikh Khanda to me, (as does the PMA Kakul flag) yet it says Allah is is also a tulip which the Iranians believe the blood of a Martyr groes to be a tulip. Allah and Tulip, hence the Ottoman's love of Tulips for which the Dutch paid them many many pre Euros, History in a loop.

wrote this for you, the whole thing of 1984's pre and a lot of what you are posting is new for me.

"True Lord, may my body be a sacrifice unto your feet,. Guru, father, may I not show my back in the field of battle, and may I be martyred battling the enemies of the faith. Guru, Father, have mercy on me, may the enemy's bullets not hit my back, may I take them upon my chest. Satguru, do not think of my faults, please let me embrace your feet."

This was Bhai Saahib's daily prayer before the Guru.

When the time comes for a Sikh to give his head for the Guru, he is overcome with eagerness. He considers it his great fortune to give his head for the Sikh faith. When it comes time to sacrifice for the faith, the Sikh doesn't seek any examples, or justifications, or bribes. No force or fear can turn him away from his goal. Living his life according the Guru's bestowed faith, he fights the attacker and gives his head for the pure faith and truth , having given his all he is now a Martyr. Such a warrior is ever ready to be a sacrifice for the cause of the Guru.

On June 1st 1984, a fearful Government, under the leadership of Indira Gandhi, after having declared Presidential Rule in an attempt to flush what they saw as a band of fanatical renegades who had armed the most Holy Temple of the Sikhs, to, as one might say, "The Teeth". The Army and its noted Commander had worked out a faultless plan--or so he thought. He had served under the General who had joined the men holding the Takhat, did he not know better. Did he think that after seeing a few tanks and commandos that the occupiers would, after firing some 'face saving' shots in return, be scared into surrendering or simply melt away. If so, he, it would be safe to say, didn't have a clue!

What went so wrong? Had they forgotten or never known the determination of the Sikhs to repel any attack on The Golden Temple. Had they never read of Massa Rangar, of Baba Deep Sing, heard the stories of sparrows turning into Hawks. Or had they, with all the turmoil of recent years in the Punjab began to think of the Sikhs, not as paper Tigers but as paper Lions--more growl now than Bite. Did all the KardiKala, the love of a good time, the Bangra and Hola Mahalla lul them into a false sense of power, a sense of supremacy, a certainty of the safety of their numbers.

The now fiery Jathedar of the Damdama Taksal, Jarnail Singh Bindradanwale had certainly changed. He was no longer the little known, but well liked 'country preacher who went from village to village seeking to instill Shiki values in the troubled youth of the Punjab who were turning to practices that their Gurus had spoken out against--drinking and smoking tabacco as well. Did they not notice the machine gun bandoliers across his chest, or the Teer that Guru Gobind Singh had carried, as well.

Many Sikhs believe in the 8.4 million live or reincarnation, some do not, for a Sikh to die in Battle, fighting his attackers, is preferred over a death in bed as and old man. At the culmination of the 8.4 million jivas or lives--amoeba or less, all the way to human--the ultimate earthly life, from which it is said, and only from it, that a soul can attain release--Mukti! It is said that being a Martyr is a sure ticket--Mukti! at last. Yet, Martyrs, it is said, would do it all again, all *.4 million just for the sake of meeting any attacker of Sikhi again.

This is my paraphrasing what the attacker of I. Gandhi said shotly before his execution. use any part-- i should be so lucky to speak and read Punjabi, etc. thanks

good luck with your studies. Raab Rakah, richard

Do you know

Deh Shiva Bar mohe....Who is shivaa??? Shiva is parvati, Maa kali the wife of shiv called shivaa,(Lucky 11:32, 7 April 2008 (MDT))

Help Maa baap

SSA, Sunny ji, i don't know if this is your work, doesn't seem up to your standards, or just something you posted by someone else.

i have many questions, there is a grain , a beej (biga) or root (Mul or mool) in this story, trying to get out, to communicate and be something more than just a complaint of being beaten up. I am aware of the Horror of '84, its root cause (a biga is the root or seed that, in Italy is used from the old bread to make new bread, such bigas have been kept for thousands of years now.) I would like to see these stories making some new change that results in the kind of world that Guru Nanak dreamed of.

If Guru Harogobind could save the Emperor from death by a wild beast months after he was involved in his fathers' death and even play a bold game with the man who could have been his most hated enemy, had he chosen, by cleverly having a coat of 52 tails made to circumvent the Badshah's edict…

and if Guru Gobind Sing ji, could befriend the son of the man, Aurangzeb, who was fundamental in the death of so many of his Sikhs and His own family members, can we not make these men's deaths aid in bringing about that which they were willing to die for.

If you could help, i would like to see the 'seed' that i see in your stories bloom into a beautiful flowering of peace and common understanding.Allenwalla 18:41, 7 April 2008 (MDT)see questions -- Sher Singh Shera

you have to accept

You have to accept this fact that guru gobind singh wrote chandi chariter chandi is devi not god, he also write chandi d waar, not god d waar, he also write brahm awtaar, rudra awtaar, vishnu awtaar these are not god's, he use to uchjaar chandi d waar before fighting a war. Deh Shiva Bar Moh Ehe..........It means Hey Shiva give me blessings, Shubh Karman Tae kabhoo na taron.............So this is part of dasam granth where most of composintions belongs to guru gobind singh and mostly for these dieties.

If you want to say guru gobind neither pray of hindu gods remember you are simply declining the authorship of guru gobind singh from dasam granth.(Lucky 22:35, 7 April 2008 (MDT))

Hello

Bai when i will go to my home back then i will discuss on the topic what exactly is shiva. Remember never compare guru sahib with any granth wether dasam granth, wether varaan bhai gurdas or some other. Guru Granth Sahib is different and these granths are different. Shiva word does not comes in guru granth sahib, shiv comes many time and i know what shiv, hari, raam denotes in guru granth sahib.

REad dasam granth from sridasam.org then you will know what exact is dasamgranth and what shiva, chandi is, remmember open mahankosh the punjabi dictinary while reading all this. Enjoy Dasam Granth. Do not compare it with guru granth sahib. Baaki i will discuss when i will reach at my home after a week or two. Enjot Sat Shri AKaal (Lucky 07:13, 10 April 2008 (MDT))

SSA

Sunny ji, looked briefly at the article and it is getting better, your audience is enlarging with the added explanations, at least i can better understand.

i had thought to change a few things but you are doing fine. i would now spent time organizing parts to fit in a sequential time frame as the story jumps in a very stoccatic fashion from future to past and back. Some medicine a doctor has me trying has me typing letters other than i think i am typing.

I remember liking the addition of words spoken by Jarnail Singh Bindranwale, as he has never spoken in any of the many stories i have read of 1984 and Bluestar-- why code name Bluestar. Any way part - the 'Getting away from there is your job, protecting you here [in the Darbar Sahib complex] is mine." is unclear and intriguing.

1. getting away from where?

2. If protecting them was what the Sant promised, then something went awry and things escalated beyond all his expectations.

Hard for me to learn all the terms ect. and remember especially the many varied spellings of Punjabis.

Hari Mandir is probably my bad. will remember Harmandir- i have seen many write Hari though-before

define if you would the difference:

Hari=

Har=

Ar=

R=

thanks richard Allenwalla 21:10, 10 April 2008 (MDT)

SAt Shri Akaal ji

Just saw you were still up tought it must be late there. Here the sun is just comimg up beyond the kali mega? it was 85° yesterday- tommorrow expected 36° in am. i see you are still busy, has not school started yet? Raab Rakah.Allenwalla 05:39, 12 April 2008 (MDT)

Saajna Divas

Dear brother

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh,

Khalsa de sajna devas de lakh lakh mubarkhan hoven aap ji ate aap ji de parivar nu.

--user:sarbjeet_1313me 20:35, 13 April 2008 (MDT)

color me confused

Sunny ji , as you are posting the stories of many people who claim to be succeesors to GGS, i can not tell if you are -- 'for em or agin em'Allenwalla 07:17, 16 April 2008 (MDT)and why you are posting them?

Template :-Dehdhari Gurus

I have corrected this template - but I do not think that we should not give any support to these fake Gurus by seeming to make it easy for our users to navigate easily to each of them. Surely just a mention of the fake so called Gurus, for information sake is all we need? Hari Singh 08:43, 16 April 2008 (MDT)

Just a little comment

Hi Sunny Bond Singh ji

Just a little note to say thank you for your comments. Please, it would be more appropriate on leave these comments on the discussion page of the user - I know that the original link on original message is to the user page but please just select the discussion tab at the top, then press the "+" sign at the top. That's the normal way to talk to each other on Sikhiwiki. Many thanks, Hari Singh 09:44, 16 April 2008 (MDT)

Thanks for the reply - sorry, didn't realise that it was just a little slip - sorry, to have bothered you in that case. Keep well, youngman. Hari Singh 10:37, 16 April 2008 (MDT)

Good Job

SSA, Sunny ji, you are doing well, even i can read, understand and learn from your article on Jats, their differences, etc.

Now watch repeating the same modifiers in consecutive sentences (mostly) in this case. i.e. (find another way to say the same thing --for variety. … where they constitute (or make up) the majority of the villages' population.

My wife's beloved uncle died this week, she and maybe me as well (ticket availability problems) are off to California for two days/ we don't have time for a longer stay, we had hoped to get to Yuba city to a Gurdwara there that we usually visit. unfortunately it looks like available flight times preclude that.Allenwalla 10:23, 18 April 2008 (MDT)

Thanks, 80+ years, complications/last stages of Alzheimers, a very nice man, put on 'hospice care' and died at 5am next morning.

on edited photo

Sat Shri Akaal, Sunny ji, i was surprised to see the argument and time spent on the telling beads stuff. as you can tell i am not jetting accross America as Delta messed my ticket up. Ann my wife is about over Kansas by now i guess. Again thanks for the kind words on her uncle.

I looked and saw the article on Hari Singh Nalwa, when i got home, when i first started doing sewa on sikhiwiki one of the first things i did was to find every article with the Sardar's name which was spelled many ways. i changed them all to 'Nalwa' so the many links would work, so i was surprised to see the pic w/ beads/mala was gone.

the cropped photo with the British officer's head only at the Generals elbow looked to much like a decapitiation, so i took the liberty to touch up the photo and the damage in several places notably the Dastaar which looks more like a fur topi to me? If my caption is off or if you prefer the head and shoulder of the Maharaja please revert to the previous version. regards richard

i have also changed the spelling Guruwara to Gurdwara whenever i come across it. i did this because every Sikh i had talked to and sikh book i read used Gurdwara, every Hindu i spoke to used the pronounciation and spelling Guruwara. Maybe i was off in doing this?

On the photo

SSA, Sir ji, if you saw the post on the picture please check out the link. It has the lecture series that i had seen on sikhiwiki or sikhnet by a Sikh who talked of the pictures credentials.

I was just checking dates the fact that the General, a favorite of mine who i think ranks with George Pattan, was younger than the Maharaja, that the man does not look like the actual drawings of the Maharaja at that time the photo was probably a daguerrotype (sp) 1838 and later after the death of the Maharaja.

Only two men were in the hills of India, Punjab and J & K before with the wax or colloldial process which gives a negative type photo, the link i added to Hari Singh's page does not work it takes one to a google search page / i typed in - photo of Maharaja Ranjit Singh -- the photo comes up in top left -- a click and the whole story of a british historian trying for his golden grail advanced this photo - please also read the comments by many Sikhs as well. and the lecture series.

You are doing a lot of work, impressed by the did you know page for young sikhs. you are correct the drawing which could be from any time, his or later was not that well preserved. regards richard

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Japanese, British et al

The monarchs of Japan, China and Britian who considered themselves the sons of God, only themselves, used the imperial WE speaking as the earthly voice for God. The Mughal Patishahs, i think refered to themselves as the shadow on Earth of Allah.

My understanding is that, while many Sikhs may add superlatives to the Guru's names, out of respect to the Gurus, is that they, the Gurus, did consider themselves mortal men -sons of God, Waheguru, as every other human was a son or child of God.

I remember Guru Gobind Singh, if i remember correctly, having a few choice words to say for anyone who would promote him to such a status.

The Muslims, preclude the images of their Rasul, as some believe that their fellow Muslims would be 'so respectful' they would cross the line of worshiping images. Hence the cartoon controversy in your part of Europe.

So i try no to say- we or they so as not to dishonor their wishes. as you see i am not above replacing same. You are, of course, free to revert my edits.

One thing i have been trying to tell you of, you may already know, is the insidance of Hazrat Ali the Rasul's son-in-law.

Sunni's respect him, yet , they look at the Shi'ah (followers of Ali) carrying portraits during their festivals (ever notice that some of Jesus', Ali's and Guru Gobind Singh's portraits look very similar - hansome face and neat beard not costume, the turbans of Ali and the Guru preclude seeing the long hair) as idol worship, praying at sants graves for boons, etc.

My favorite quote on Ali is when he bested an attacker and was about to kill him - the man spit in his face! He realized that he would be killing the man out of His anger and and so he spared the man his life. the story finishes with the man converting to Islam, awed by such an action. This tradition has a name which i forget at the moment.

Strange that in a land that, like India, was conquered by outsiders who forced their religion on them, the Persians once proud worshipers of Ahura Mazda, the very country that freed the Jews from their Babalonian enslavement and paid to reestablish their Kingdom and rebuild its Temple, is now out to destroy them- kill every child, drive them into the sea and even deny the Halocaust of WWII. The decendants of the same men who carried off the Hindus of India that gave start to the 12 o'clock rescues. They in their great admiration of Ali and his sons could use some of his noble practices.

Will look at the article, of to Atlanta's airport soon.Allenwalla 11:17, 20 April 2008 (MDT)

Good, professional job

Enjoyed the story of the man's sacrifice. well done. Also nice to think that the children, Sahizadas and their dadi ma (?) were touched by a kind heart in their darkess hours.

Ice ta ice ta my spelling is surely poor

Little by little vs a firestorm. thanks for the translations i see each and every line wit Guru as a referance to Wahaguru. in only the line: uru nwnku nwnku hir soie ]4]7]9] gur naanak naanak har soe ||4||7||9|| Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself. ||4||7||9||

do i see words by Guru Arjan? including Nanak, not words by Guru Nanak himself by penned many years later, maybe i miss understand, will cease to add futher.Allenwalla 12:01, 20 April 2008 (MDT)

Japji, Mool Mantra

With greatest respect for your opinions and

your right to have them, my quandry is over the following:

There is one God His Name is Truth

The all-pervading Creator,

Without fear, without hatred

Immortal, unborn, self-existent,

By grace, the Enlightener.

True in the beginning, true throughout the ages,

True even now, Nanak, and forever shall be true.

(Japji, Mool Mantra)

Yet you tell me that the belief in avatars, that God from time to time comes to the Earth in Human form during times of crisis- a Hindu belief, a Christian belief and now i am to believe that the Mool Mantra is incorrect, unborn is also wrong and Guru Nanak was WaheGuru or Akal Purack (born) here on earth. you have me most confused--up is down /down is up.??

Guru Nanak here in the seed mantra, as was customary with the verse forms of his time, uses his own name in the last line not, i am given to believe, as a claim to his being God or Waheguru.

doubts? Allenwalla 18:26, 20 April 2008 (MDT) sorry i had to cut and run to airport.

Addy13

Thanks for sending a stern and quick message to this user who deleted text from a SikhiWiki article. kind regards, Hari Singh 10:46, 23 April 2008 (MDT)

Handwrittens of Gurus period

Sat Sri Akal Sunny Singh ji

That's great; very impressive. What we need to do is link each of the non-Mool mantar photo to a new page with a Gurmukhi note and then English translation. I will try and set up one in the next few days and then we can try and understand what these images actually say. Well done; that a very good resource for future research. Many thanks and regards, Hari Singh 12:14, 23 April 2008 (MDT)

Yes. it will take a bit of time but I think that it will prove very enlightening and give us an insight into the way the Gurus and other transacted among the sangat. I have made a start with the Mool mantar but I will start one of the other as well, soon. Hari Singh 13:19, 23 April 2008 (MDT)

Provided we can see the letters ie: the lines and dots, etc. then I am sure we will find someone who can help us in recognising the actual characters. Unfortunate, the quality of some of the photos is not very good. Any chance of getting better quality photos? Hari Singh 13:45, 23 April 2008 (MDT)

Disapointed

was very excited to see the Mahankosh on line downloaded the pdf. - crest fallen as i don't read Gurmukhi all that well. Kardi kala on rebound though.Allenwalla 14:07, 23 April 2008 (MDT)

a thought

SSA Sunny ji, i see you jumped right onto the new person who deleted copy from "Sikh".

i am probably wrong here but i had the thought that someone, was 'punking you'. You are a student who obviously loves to study. and you have taken to making many meaningful contributions to sikhwiki.

if so it was someone's bent sense of humor masking their envy. regards Allenwalla 14:55, 24 April 2008 (MDT)

Congratulation on getting this special honour

Hi Sunny Singh,

Well done on getting a SikhiWiki barnstar! You have done a lot of great work on this site. Congrats on this excellent achievement! I hope you continue helping Sikhi through your work here but also remember that your studies come first and that you must never ignore them. I thank you for a wonderful effort! May Waheguru continue to give you the energy to spread the Gurus' message. Kind regards, Hari Singh 18:47, 24 April 2008 (MDT)

Congratulations

SSA, Sunnybondsinghjalwehra ji, just noticed your well deserved award. As i have never seen you mention your mother, but have noticed your mention of your father's library, i just wanted to say i am sure if you still have both parents, they should be very proud of your honor as you have certainly taken sikhiwiki by storm. Keep up the good work. RichardAllenwalla 21:43, 24 April 2008 (MDT)

SikhiWiki Award - Thanks for a great effort!

It was a great pleasure and a well deserved award. It is only fair that as a Sikh you prepare yourself for a duty to your country and family by educating yourself but in your spare time to continue the Guru's work. I proud of you and hope that Waheguru continues to guide you as to the correct principles of Sikhi. Kind regards to you and your family, Hari Singh 15:20, 25 April 2008 (MDT)

Category:Bhai I did not realise that we had so many articles on Bhai's. I think we need to try and organise these better. Perhaps the important ones need to be linked to the Gurus of the time? Hey, its nice to know that history has recorded their contribution to Sikhi! Regards, Hari Singh 17:48, 25 April 2008 (MDT)

Caught another article

On Sukha & Jinda's letter

Sat siri Akaal, Sunny ji, a list of the international treaties violated would be helpful. I assume some of this is your writing? at least the add ons -- details of torture methods. A date would also help as they speak of the Tsar "in this century". i added or changed very few words that i assumed were 'lost in translation or transscription'. Please check and revert if necessary.

If Sukha & Jinda actually penned the letter, did not have a ghost writer or vakil's help, some very talented minds were lost in their decision to become martrys. I had only recently heard of the assasination of the General. This letter is all i have seen of the incident. reader 24,5,6.

What sort of country was the Kalistan, they were fighting for, to be, i have in the pages of Sikhiwiki read only of one which sounded more like the Khalifa the Taliban would impose on the world--one where only their views would be tolerated, one where men would only eat food prepared by Amritharis. No barbers, no Alcohol, no tabacco unlike the tolerant kingdom of M. Ranjit Singh which is often lauded in articles on sikiwiki.

The Geneva Convention refers to uniformed, armies of Governments at war, soldiers caught out of uniform were just killed no trial no chance to speak. The Japanese were guilty of many inhuman acts of terror in WWII, yet they (the pilots and Yamamoto himself) were deeply ashamed that they had attacked the US without first giving America a warning and a chance to defend itself--an important part of Bushidŝ. By the time they got to the Andaman Islands any sense of honor had long been lost.

America was founded by men who would have been hanged if they had lost the war, even though they wore uniforms. Funny that the letter mentions the Great French Revolution, which happened or was inspired by the American one. The millions the French king spent on the war, to see his British rivals lose, starved the 'sans culottes' into action-- otherwise the French would today probably have a French Royal Family and all the Millions of tourist dollars that London enjoys from royal watchers the world over. That makes me ponder if Khalastan would have had a return of a Maharaja if any of Duleep Singhs decendants are still alive.

Anyone killing in the name of revenge looses the sympathy he seeks when innocents are killed. Even Bin Laden failing to warn of his attack on the towers was criticized by many in the Muslim world. Now they (Bin Laden and Al Qaeda go to the trouble to get a fatwa, but anyone (even the Attari Mullah Sadr/now doing his first religious studies in Iran) can just say i am a Mullah and with a few followers he is! So the Fatwas fly. Regards richard

Nederlander?

SSA, You are very correct as i have seen on wikipedia that the translation engines give some very funny, often completely wrong translations. But even with people speaking the same languages things change just from person to person. I think that to do that-- you would have to have, tiennes, dastan, avere, ect. a group of Sikhs like yourself who were:

1. as dedicated as you to spreading the Gurus' words

2. ones who like you speak several languages

3. endless time or the Kar Sewa of thousands.

of course the whole of Sikhi started with just one man. Good luck with the 1000 pages.Allenwalla 22:08, 30 April 2008 (MDT)

a few word on cummunication

Take communication for instance- non-verbal (imagery). The new picture of Guru Arjan, new for me at least, is very nice. The artist has pictured the Guru in all white- light, lite, saaf, purifying like the sun. The Burst of light called sometimes a Glory, halo, ect. again references the sun (Chirag-E Jahaan) and purity. It appears in many Christian images of holy men as well (even the roman letter H brings to mind a chair or throne - in the pictures of Maharaja Ranjit Singh one sees him seated in a chair when every one else is seated on the floor or standing. In the Mughal darbars the Emperor was the only one with a chair, Gaddi or Divan -fancy cushioned couch-from diw/van = (one who rated cushions) or could collect the money from the (Diwan Todar Mal/Akbar) zimmies. Here in the USA the best example of the H shape being a Gaddi is the memorial for Abraham Linclon (his hands are also communicating at the end of the side arms--in American sign language the right hand says 'A' the left (al sham, Gauche(sp) and sinister (the Chinese and Japanese Kanji is even more descriptive for left hand) says L. the sculptor had learned to send words and meanings to the Deaf!

Then there is the upraised hand palm in our face (used for Jesus and in many paintings of Sikh Gurus and Buddha) Most often on Guru Nanak i think. The images- the burst of light, white clothes, palm in the face never appear in Muslim or Jewish religious images because there are non because of the fear that it would become 'beadbi' as people would soon hang such images on walls and, they feared, might start worshipping the images.

The palm in the face pose, is used in the US as stop, my mother gets very upset if i ever use it, it is an insult in Greece called a monza? (sp) chevrolet in the USA made a car in the fifties, nice small car, called a monza-- bad bad in Greece. The hand was, for maybe a thousand years, an image or reference (Abhaya Mudra; Protection, Reassurance, Blessing) for Buddha and by extension -- peace! In another such goof they are hoping to sell new General Motors (Saturn) cars to Indians - no research! Maybe Sikhs who have dropped superstions and no longer see 'Evil Eyes' and fear the effects of Saani (slow foot), magala, mangalik and astronomers will buy them.

The hand posiion is a non-verbal mode of communication, a symbolic sign which works, perhaps more efficiently than words (Indian classical dance, i believe makes use of many mudras) evoking in the viewer's's mind ideas which symbolize the divine power of one's God or for some--Gods. It this painting one can see the 'inner resolve' of the Guru-- does his half closed eyes indicate deep meditation giving the observer a sense of peace and safety--being closer to God. The face with the half closed eyes, in this painting, reminds me of the portrait of Guru Tegh Bahadur, on this site,

. I believe the same artist has another portrait of Guru Tegh Bahadur with the same light behind the head and colorful flowers scattered across the carpet. no beads, no rich clothing. Nice painting.

Communication is a funny thing. Must get some Zs. Khudavand Bakshindeh-E- Aish-O-Arsh/Raab Raakah. best wishes in your quest, don't neglect your studies…richard

SSA, Sunny ji Plese do not post as i would need to check spelling etc. hurried effort after spinal epidural pashjim (sp) which kept me drowsy most of day, wanted to say a few words on your dedication and just added a bit sans research.? with pashjim i was just trying to expand vocabulary, thanks Allenwalla 06:45, 1 May 2008 (MDT)

Articles in Dutch

Hi Sunny Singh,

I have just done an article as an example - see it at Wat is het Sikhisme. I have just used a bit of the intro from sikhs.nl and then linked the page to their site. In time Google will pick up our article and it will get priority as our site is getting more and more hits and becoming popular and then we can pass readers to the nl site for more details/different angle, etc

You know the guy or guys at http://www.sikhs.nl/ are probably lovely people who have worked really hard to get their beautiful site set-up. We go and steal their work! NO, that is not right and we should not do that - Just does not seem right!

We need to work together so that they get more exposure and also more readers learn about Sikhi. We want co-operation and involvement but not confrontation or division. That I believe is the Sikhi way. What you need to do is write a few simple articles your self, using bits from the nl site if you wish and other sites or translate from english article using google as a tool, then at external links, put links to their site and other dutch or french or german sites.

We must get their permission and co-operation for anything we use but we must also make sure that they are winners as well! We want all Sikhi sites to thrive - not just SikhiWiki and we want to use our popularity to help other sites. Any article with any connection to Holland or Belgium should have links to the nl site. See if you can have a dialogue with them by email. If not let me know as I have previously exchanged an email or two with them. Hope this helps. Guru de fateh, Hari Singh 17:14, 1 May 2008 (MDT)

Thanks for the message. The studies definitely come first so, you need to concentrate on them and make sure you get top results! I look forward to seeing your name on the "recent changes" page after 7 weeks. May Waheguru shower his blessing on you.

I am still working on the technical aspects of setting up the different languages within SikhiWiki. As I have never done this before, and as it is not a system used widely apart from Wikipedia, it will take a bit of time. I have found very little web-based literature on this. Please bear with us. I will contact you as soon as I have some concrete details. Good luck with the exams in 5 weeks - prepare well. regards, Hari Singh 11:30, 5 May 2008 (MDT)