Talk:Mona Sikh: Difference between revisions

the last addition seems to be the sort of opinionated stuff that should be on the discussion page. Unless I am misunderstanding it, it seems to be stating that anyone who is not an Amrithari is a false person. Christian bigots often want to save the people of other religions because they think that without Jesus they are all going to hell. One branch even goes so far as to save one's ancestors retroactively. In the last paragraph whom is the Guru being referred to, the SGGS, the Khalsa Panth or the men who hold power in the Takhats, a particular Guru or WaheGuru? When did it become part of the Sikh religion to exclude? Are the earlier Gurus and the Sikhs that followed them and those who did not join in the Khalsa not Sikhs? Who are these false people who invented the term Sadjahari, Mona, ect.

The Brahmins invented a caste system; caste is a Portuguese word, which means pure. The Portuguese saw that there were distinctions between people that existed only in men’s minds. Each caste was pure, i.e. could not intermix and change jobs, ect. If some farmer decided he wanted to be a mochi he was expelled from his caste and not accepted by the other shoemakers.

Guru Nanak saw this as evil. Guru Gobind Singh, the great man that he was, saw that the men who were the pure Hindu caste whose job it was to protect Hinduism had become corrupt an was no longer protecting Hindus, but for their own selfish reasons some were working with the Mughals. They saw his innovations as a threat to their turf and privileges over which they enjoyed control.

He gave birth to the Khalsa giving men of every caste the chance to be a Khatri or warrior--to do the things and behaviors, wear turbans, train with weapons, ride horses, study languages, the Vedas and anything they pleased and to fight for everyones rights even the ones who might not believe in the things they did. Like the Hindu Lords of Myth he asked them not to trim their hair, was not Krishna known as Keshvara for his long flowing hair. Women were said to be equal by the Gurus, Mai Bhago took the Gurus at their word, though even today it is only the Sangats of America, the so called 'white' Sikhs, "harvested (their word not mine) by Yogi Bajan" who allow women to serve as the Panj Piares.

So today when someone argues for exclusion and says expel all who do not follow the 5Kakkars, they are not Sikhs, I get a little confused as this seems to go against all that Guru Nanak and the other Gurus had intended. (The Equality of all men/women) Many members of many religions argues they are the Pure Ones, doesn't Pakistan means the land of the pure (Paak)?

As an outsider who only has the smallest understanding of Sikhi I think that there is room for Sikhs who do not keep the 5 Ks, and also room for those who follow the chivalric order of the Khalsa. I hear arguments from some criticizing non Amritharis (sahajdhari), i.e. (Mona sardar is also a term as sahajdhari is and both should be kicked from the religion.), but I have heard of no sahajdharis who say get rid of, expell or end the Khalsa. No one would ever have such a thought. So why all the attacks, Kal--time and change are the only thing that seems guaranteed on earth?

I still haven't figured out how anyone can tell the young Sikh in the second photo is not an Amritdhari. Is the Patka not worn after being Baptised or is the fellow's beard to short? Please let me know. Allenwalla 19:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC) will remove tomorrow if no response.

One user's opinion

The Shajdhari concept is generated by some false people. Sahajdhari is nothing in sikh, sikh is sikh, we cant categorize it. Sikh means shishya. Shishya of gurus and sishya always follows the guru. Guru is the spiritual teacher of sikh the spiritual father of sikh and sikh should follow him. Mona sardar is also a term as sahajdhari is and both should be kicked from the religion.

User (Lucky 07:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC))

Hahahaha......yes those comments were wrote by me when i was frustated i also thought to remove it today but before that you raised some queries.

This is what sikhism got in these 300 Years.....Amritdhari to Sahajdhari? hahahaha. So know everybuddy is trimming their beard and cutting hair and call themselves sahajdhari.....LOL. So i was against these type of people.

It feels like a person has killed another person and start praying to god that o lord please forgive me and god forgive him he again kills other and pray the same.

Keshdhari Converted to sehajdhari, remember not for guru but for world, want to become yankee girls faishon etc etc etc. This glamour world faishon world is not allowing sikh childern to grow as amritdhari or keshdhari but today every kid cut their hair because: Girls do not like it, i looks yakee without hair, in my company nobuddy have beared or wwear turban.

So those lines were for those but i put them at wrong side. Sorry (Lucky 07:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC))

I endorse Harpreet's views.There is no term of sehajdhari or mona sikh in sikhi, sikh is a sikh. Intially sahejdhari was used for who is converting to sikhism slowly slowly as sehaj means slowly. Mona is used nowadays who dont want to keep unshorn hair. user:sarbjeet_1313me