Talk:Science and Sikhism
Through a Sikh.'s perspective
Sikhs & their mother tounge ( Language of True Ideas) agree with nothing but TRUTHs & so does Science. Nothing but TRUTHs are the organs of one TRUTH called Satgurbani.
Scientists are just now discovering the concepts that were foreseen & truthfully documented as the Language of TRUE Ideas. Science is propelled by ideas so is a Sikh. & his Sikhi. written in the Language of TRUE Ideas.
Pondering over..........????........ it & looking for words to share with u all tomorrow
---User: One alias Kha Col Rajender Singh Sikh. 6 Sep 08 Delhi
Confusion
Allenwalla Sirji gur Kalsa gur f3yh!.I have real thoroughly cofused mind that that is the only reason for me to have been generally busy. myry baba my baura sb Klk siaxe ry myry baba myy baura
Sir gurbani is a Language & my mother tounge. I have taken no Amrit from no one & never ever will from any one except from my own pnj piaras after I become intutive & habitual amrit vyla dharee. Khanda Batta is a Khalsa way of honouring a Sikh in Sadh Sangat who becomes amrit vyla Dharee There after i will beg the amrit from my panj piaaras. I will be able to identify my p.j piaras only if i have good enough skill in gurbani(language of TRUE ideas). We TRUE Sikhs. believe in NOT Guru (like Guru Nank) but in his ideas written in Lord TRUTH's Language .I will gauge my piaras as such against the Sikhi standard of jy many 3a mnneyy buJeyy gur prsa2i....
Matter written in a language can be translated into another language, but the language itself(1430 pages) can not be, call it never changing Lord TRUTH's grammer of Gurbani written on each human being's heart. Whether Lord TRUTH (Satigurgives that human enough skill to read it from hir own heart depends on as to how close one is to Satgurbani. Satigurbani has no attributes. Satgurbani attribute get reflected through human beings. ikna hukme bKSeeS ikk hukme sda Bvaeyh.....Thy WILL can not be questioned. any one trying that earns to hir credit from Stigur jy ko aaKy bol vigaw 3a gxiyy sir gvara gvaar . Shortest possible size of Gurbani Language is '1'.
Spirit of No Shabad is different from another. Gurbani can not be translated. it can only be understood through intutive practice of sangat of those who know it. For example One can learn english from some one who knows it by listening to, singing poems, remembering the ideas therein and then writing english on papper
Same is equally TRUE for gurbani language. One has to listen to , sing, speak it out & write it down. Being a writer in a language is the climax. so is it for gurbani. A TRUE Sikh has to write down his Thought in gurbani language & share it with all. That is what this Panth ka daas is doing in obediance of 'jyyse myy aavyy Ksm kee baxe......3yyse Gwiyy sbd scee tksaal(library og written work). This peice of text is a a wonderful opportunity for me nay! for all those who have ideas & can share.
gaviyy suniyy mn rKiyy Bau.... & gur Shabad veecar', that is what all text is about. more gurbani words i can punch in here better Sikh i become. If some ome asks me as to where is that written in 'Shiri Guru Granth Sahib'. I will have to summ up the veecar with gurus words hukm na khiaa jaee. One has to first believe in nothing but TRUTH. then only Lord Truth blesses hir with skill to understand Thy language.
Gur Shabad vecar.... & not katha, k# k# k#e kotee kot kot..... as is advocated by vaddy log, is the only TRUE Platform of True Sikhi. dedicated to nothing but True Sikh Issues.
What is in a name ? every thing!!
Stigur
We Sikh.s, if we dare call ourselves that way, have forgotten our true Name bestowed upon by first Nanak. Eech individual Sikhs Name (if he calls hirself that way is 'Sachiara xyz Singh'(Punjabi 1st Nanak's Time) or 'Khalsa xyz Singh'(Punjabi 10th Nanak's Time) or Mr TRUTH xyz Singh (Punjabi of Satigur's time i.e. now at this instant). Now saying that Mr TRUTH is an english word & not punjabe than gur myry s.g sda hyy naly & i seek olla naam da and beg pardon in exchange of Satigur's words vaad vivad kahoo sy nahee
Shiri Guru Granth Sahib
Shiri (sounds something like Shi Gupta ji) Guru (sounds something like Guru Ram Raheem) Granth (Sounds something like another Massive book just appended to the chain of vedas, ramayana,Mahabharata & the like.
Guru Granth is not Gurbani, it is the never changing Grammer of Satgurbani written not on paper but on the hearts of all living Nanks. Nanak just documented it for us to read it from our own true script Nanak liKiaa nal. Gurbani can not be learnt through scholarly translations. only way of learning Nanaks becoming a mururer & killing one's ego & accept TRUTH as Lord TRUTH (not God) followed by emmulating no one but nirgun Nanak in the form of Gurbani written on each individual's heart. language is gaviyy suniyy mn raKiyy Bau....
- Lord TRUTH Nank fearlessly speaks the unspoken TRUTHs through his own Mr TRUTHs as ordained by the language of TRUE Ideas.
- Hukm na kahia jaee, nank hukmyy jy buJyy ta haumyy khy na koe...., still let me make an effort..
- kyyh nank eyh Kyl kTin hyy....this game of love is hard to play & i learnt this TRUTH the hard way but i did & nank vigsyy byprvaheven if ikk na clly naal' then ....Nank could not care less.
- neecha andar neech jaat neeche hu ati neech, nanak tin ky sang sath vadian sio kia rees..... & that is why ....nank vigsyy byprvah.
p.n# 2a eyh kUkr is dedicated to Nank's resolve of speaking the language of the lowly lots. Poor ones living in rotting streets of india, who are yerning to learn english, have to be taught english in their phonetic & cultural way. In the eyes of these poor neech, scholars who write flawless language are vaddy log. Should we not make the neech comfortable rather than handle Khalsa media resourses for the benifit of the few scholarly class to make THEM comfortable . This was the cause of all the muck looking TRUE sentiments i had been expressing on this platform of Sikhi.(not Wiki) for the last, may be seven years or so, right from the time when probably (Sikhi)Wiki was in the initial infant stage & so was i.
Nank's sentiments which i also share from all the depths of my heart only comfort me. otherwise for kood raja kood praja...., nanak is a mad man singing in streets & challanging the neech to stand up & fight. He is complaining direct to Lord TRUTH(Neech, poor, needy & uneducated & hence exploited) against the deeds of the high & mighty......with no mediator(scholars) what so ever. He does again feel not very comfortable and sings kisnu khiey nanka sb ku$ aapy aap'''''.....hukme u33m neech....Lord TRUTH hirself is exploiter & SHe hirself is being exploited. hence nank vigsyy byprvah.. them Frustated he feels when ''ikk na chally naal....ikk na chally naal.....ikk na chally naal........ He challanges gavy kpoi 3an? ....gavy koi tan..?...he did find mardana (TRUE Superman) followed by Angad(an organ of Nanak's own body) and it took 10 Nanaks to find five TRUTHful beings. So is this one of the Mutia of Mutia group (the dogs) who write the way dogs do supplemented by nothing but barks in support of no one bu their One Master.
I dare Say. Sikhi alias Sikhiwiki is the only web site true to the peak of Sikhi i.e 38th step of Sikhi which ordains all True Sikhs to write their views ferlessly & Truthfully. Let the Khalsa Panth be assured that this nacheese panth ka kookar will keep barking from sach khand once i meet Nanaks in person.
I have no words to thank u for the feed back i had been dying for since i got associated with Sikhi(not Wiki).Look forward to more of it from all TRUE Sikhs. Who believe in Gajj ky bolo & believe in nothing but
aaKxjor chupyy nhE jor(will here after use Nanak's quoats only in plain simple english)
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WILL improve my skill. gur Kalsa gur ftyh!! --One 04:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC) NB: i am sure Panth Kalsa will permit me to work on this peice of jyyse myy avyy Kasm ke baxe.....Gurbaxe & not Punjabi is the mother tounge of a True Sikh. I have no knoledge of english, lit etce. I am just an engineer & after having retired from service, amm trying to learn better english so that i call appreciate the sentiments of the Scholars & those who may be better than me. Sikhiwiki does not have a spell ckecker. neither do i recommend it to have. writing whatever comes & then correcting it for sure isa better way of telling Lord TRUT that his Mr TRUTH(Khalsa) saw. had been , is & will ever remain a Mr TRUTh(Khalsa)
my panj piaras as on date are....
- Sahib Singh alias Kha Anil Singh
- Mohkam singh alias Kha Ashokan singh
- Himmat Singh alias Kha Lucky Singh
- Dharam Singh alias Kha Aulak Singh
- Daya Singh alias Kha Pritpal Singh
i am waiting for further orders & guidance from them to improve upon my linguistic expressions in this very text.
