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That was Wonderfull..
...info about Nanak's association With Ladakh. I have tried to blend your input with the text of the article page. You can write directly into the article page itself. Any messages to other users , like this one which I am writing here can go it to The Talk pages. Do let me or any old hands at SikhiWiki know if we can improve anything any where.
The foundation of 'Sikhi. working' on Sikhi, being..... working for Sikhi. of no other brand , but of Nanak's brand.
SADA SACH HEE...
- SIKHO (LEARN nothing but: O Sikh.o!! sirf TRUTH god's NAAM JAANo!
- SOCHO aty SUDHARO (introspect): O Sikh.o!! sirf TRUTH god's NAAM naal he ISHNAANkro!
Sikhi is growing that is heartening. stay in touch & motivate your friends & others to to join in. will be back. a bit in a hurry now --Mutia 08:27, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
Keshdhari
Sarbjeet ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
Many thanks for your contribution on this topic but I think (and believe) that the definition is not strictly correct according to Gurbani and in particular Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Doesn't this Shabad give a definition of a Sikh - Maharaj says:
SGGS Page 305 Full Shabad |
ਮਃ ੪ ॥ Mehlĝ 4. ਗਰ ਸਤਿਗਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖ ਅਖਾਝ ਸ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ ਉਦਮ ਕਰੇ ਭਲਕੇ ਪਰਭਾਤੀ ਇਸਨਾਨ ਕਰੇ ਅੰਮਰਿਤ ਸਰਿ ਨਾਵੈ ॥ ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ਗਰੂ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪ ਜਾਪੈ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਦੋਖ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵੈ ॥ ਫਿਰਿ ਚੜੈ ਦਿਵਸ ਗਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵੈ ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ ਜੋ ਸਾਸਿ ਗਿਰਾਸਿ ਧਿਆਝ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੋ ਗਰਸਿਖ ਗਰੂ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥ ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਦਇਆਲ ਹੋਵੈ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਆਮੀ ਤਿਸ ਗਰਸਿਖ ਗਰੂ ਉਪਦੇਸ ਸਣਾਵੈ ॥ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਧੂੜਿ ਮੰਗੈ ਤਿਸ ਗਰਸਿਖ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਆਪਿ ਜਪੈ ਅਵਰਹ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਾਵੈ ॥੨॥ |
The mention of Kesh is not there. I wonder where it in Gurbani it says that a Sikh MUST have Kesh and that without Kesh the person cannot be a Sikhs?
Also, until 1699, it appears that there was no requirement for Sikhs to don a Turban and I wonder if all Sikhs kept their hair? Personally, I believe not. Also many Muslims were engaged in the Guru service but they remained Muslims - and there must have been many who followed the Gurus, but had not yet become "full" Sikhs - Surely here the word Sehajdhari applies and then they may don hair and turban and be called Keshdhari without actually taking Amrit.
I accept that after 1699, the requirement changed but only for the Khalsa. Some say that various famous Sikhs did not become Khalsa - ie? Bhai Nand Lal ji, Bhai Kanhaiya ji, etc. To me the word Keshdhari is relevant but it does not make the other word like Sehajdhari, Amritdhari, etc redundant.
That's my humble feelings - what do you say? das. Hari Singh 08:20, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
Nanak in J & K
Guru Nanak Dev ji's visits to Leh and Kargil districts of jammu and Kashmir stand marked by historical gurudwaras as under:-
- Leh district--Gurdwa 'Pathar Sahib' situated 27 km from Leh city.
- Kargil city-- Gurdwara Charan Kamal Sahib situated on the out skirts of the city on the the Bank of Suru River.
Category :Gurdwaras in J & K, India
Sarabjeet je WaKaFa! I am Amita Singh & welcome on SikhiWiki ,I organised your text a bit to to make it easy for you to aquint yourself with the formats ete to begin with. just start writing. We at SikhiWiki help each other & will take you along. Look forward to you being comfortable with the leyouts ete.
Feel free to interact with other users through the talk pages or through emails (where ever available in the profiles of individual users) Do not worry if you make mistakes . If you want to write about Gurdwaras ete just extend the text above . There are other Users who will follow it up & guide you . just feel dashing & bindaas. It is Sach Khand, Sikh.s, Sikhi. & ideas all over. Seeing you & looking forward to more intimate associations.
Gur Fateh WaKaFa ! User: Mutia 17 Jul 07
Thanks Amita Singh ji
WJKKWJKF Thanks fr encouraging me. Pl read article 'J&K SIKH' Guru Fateh :sarbjeet_1313me
Dear Sarbjeet Singh ji WaKaFa! thanks for your interest & staying with the site. I am a girl and writer by Profession , Located in Delhi .I write on SikhiWiki as Gurbani expects us to do GurSeva (Seva of SatGurBani).
As I can appreciate from spirit of your letter that God ( Nanak prefers to refer to God as 'TRUTH god' because true Name of GOD is 'TRUTH'. i. e. SatNaam as is written in the beginning of Mool Mantar. ) has blessed you with the intellect to read SatGurBani written on your heart. SatGurBani was not written by our gurus. It is already written on every body's heart. Gurus just copied it on paper for us to get guided for reading it from our heart ( they sacrificed themself for doing this) .
A Sikh is called a TRUE Sikh. only when he learns to read Gurbani from his / her heart . Gurbani is GOD's language written on every one's heart. By repeatedly listening to, speaking / singing ,& pondering over the meaning one becomes fluent in understanding the TRUE meaning conveyed by it. This is TRUE Sikhi..
In this writing I have included some links relevant to the persona of TRUE Sikh. & his his/ her TRUE Sikhi. . Do share your mind with other users on any Issues which you think are worth discussing keeping in mind Our Gurus' thumb rule on practicing Sikhi. as given in this tuk of Bani ...hum nhin changy bura nahin koy....... First we must correct ourselves before we discuss stupidities of others.
As a new guest to the house needs guidance about the lay out of the rooms, location of switches etc, please permit me to give you a broad lay out of our house called Sikhi . Better still, we need to treat this web site not as a mere Web Site but a Gurdwara. It is an IT age Gurdwara. I love to call this Gurdwara it self as Sikhi by hiding its 'Wiki' part of the name from the readers but not from the Server . Here are a few points about Sikhi (layout ) of Sikhi( this Gurdwara)
all pages on Sikhi are organised in pairs as under:-
- 1.Article Pages The page which carries the articles being written by users. the name of the page becomes the Name of the page itself . Here we need to ensure that a correct name is given.
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Every user owns a pair of two pages as under :-
- 1. Your Personal Page : This is a personal page and every user is expected to introduse himself to all the other users about his name interests etc like I have done on this page of mine. This is Your Personal Page. You can write about yourself some thing like you write in your bio-data submitted for applying for a job etc. Do not give any telephone Nos. In case you are comfortable with working on Net & with due approval from Senior members of your family, you may give your e mail address. It will helps other users of similar interests to communicate with you through email.
- 2. Your User Talk Page: This is your letter Box where users will write messages for you like I am writing this Text Now
I have moved your letter written to me on my This User Talk Page.
Two articles initiated by you titled 'Nanak in J & K' and 'J & K Sikhs' have been named that way on two different Article Pages. From now on, I plan working with you as a team on J & K Sikhs Page. Try writing your views on this page after practicing a bit on a page called Sand Bag .You should be able to get the link of 'Sand Bag' from this-->>'HELP!'page 'Sand Bag' is some thing like a place where one learns driving before actually driving in heavy traffic. For details of how to work on Sikhi. (this Web Site) click here --->>>> HELP!
In my next communication I plan sharing my mind with you on the issue of Punjab Sikhs as you rightfully expressed your concern about Stay in touch . ! I know J & K well as my father was posted there about a few years back . Bye for now. & Gur Fateh .....User: Mutia
Keshdhari Sikhs
- Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh Sarbjeet ji, You take a very firm stand on kesh - you said "A sikh without keshas is not considered a sikh". This is a very strong statement and does not give any leeway to a person who is slowly adopting the Sikh way. I agree that kesh is important but I believe that Gurmat does not bar a person from calling himself a Sikh if he has not yet donned full kesh.
- All I am trying to establish is where we draw the line. I say if one accepts Sri Guru Granth Sahib as Guru and none other, then he is a Sikh. You say that the person must have Kesh before he can call himself a Sikh. I have never come across this in Gurbani - It is purely for that reason I asked you ...where in Gurbani it says that a Sikh MUST have Kesh and that without Kesh the person cannot be a Sikhs? Does it actually say that in Gurbani? I agree we have a difference of opinion but I was wondering if you are relying on Gurbani to come to your opinion or "you have formed this opinion independently"? Kind regards. das, Hari Singh 17:52, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
Hello Sarab
Mainu eh sun kae bohot wadiyaa lagea kae J & K dae sikhs nae sihi swaroop pooree taranh apnaeaa hai. Good going keep it up. Punjab dae sikh mundae salle kuttae bhaiyae bann gaye hann saleaan nae waal kat maare jedey pagg bandey hann ohna dee daari katee hundee, Maunae kuttae pagg ban kae bai jandey hann. Sorry mainu gussa charda so i have to write it.
Meri bhuaa da munda waal katti baitha tae nashey pattey karda eh chaddo sala Labana ho kae apnae aap nu jatt akwanda. Mere sahmney jatt rehndae tae sarey daari katti baithey hann.
Mainu wekh kai baba keh kae hasdey hann bhaiyaae bahman jaat dae. Main ehee kehnda haan Haramion gato ghat mera roop apnae dharam pita guru gobind naal mildaa tuada dharam pita kehra. Eho jehe nu Harami kehndae.
Siraf tann naal nahin mann naal wee guru waley hona paindaa. Main ini galan kadiyaan eh guru da sikh nahin kaddh reha eh gussa bol reha hai mera is dubdee jandi sikhi nu wekh kae bolan lai bohot kuj pea, koi chat id hai kathey gall kardey..rabb rakha........Sorry for all that vulgar words..gussae ch Paapi
Sat Shri Akaal
- Are you Related to Amitha Singh or any of Mutia's Family.
- What do you do?
- Are you Amritdhari or Kesdhari(Just) or Rauda sikh???
- If you belongs to Jammu then do one thing if u can visit near by gurudwars and click soome images and do put it on website. This is not zabardasti. PLease do a favour may u live long.
Enjoy Life Ustaad Singh 31st July 2007, 10:31 PM, Mohali, India