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Circumcision and muslim women

Where you go the idea that a women cannot be muslim because she is not circumcised, will be glad if you can point out to any verses from hadith.

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Guru Nanak says:

ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਕੀਏ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਜੇ ਹੋਇਗਾ ਅਉਰਤ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੀਐ ॥ If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman?

I don't know what the Koran say about circumcision but the practise and tradition is that Muslim males have to be circumcised to be Muslim. Guru Nanak questions this practise? Why does a male person have to undergo this tradition when a female is a Muslin without undergoing this procedure! That is the question! Why the discrimination and why interfere with God's will. After all if God wanted to create males without foreskin, surely He has the power to do it? Hari Singhtalk 18:28, 21 July 2015 (CDT)

I am the principal of Headway School, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. www.headwayschool.org I would like to add a page here on Sikhiwiki and monitor it. My idea is to have a data base of ALL of the Punjabi teaching, regular or part time, stating full info organized by state and country. Especially the ones join western world. Can you help me sett it up? js sidhu

Meat Eating

Hi Hari Singh,

Thanks for your reply. Just like you quoted many shabads from Guru Granth Sahib which suggest that meat eating is not allowed in sikh religion, i can quote many shabads which would suggest that meat eating is not forbidden in sikh religion. But i don't want to get into that debate as it would become a never ending debate. It has already been debated alot b/w various groups and the entire material and arguments/counter-arguments are available on internet. My point was simple - Sikhiwiki is a platform to teach about sikh principles to the whole world and not to present our "personal interpretation" of sikhi to the world. We all agree on one point i.e. sikh gurus asked sikhs not to engage in fruitless debates on "meat eating". So, why to include such a point in dissimilarities section of islam and sikhi which is controversial in nature?

Reply

Dear Khalsa ji

Many thanks for your response. My reply is not based on "personal interpretation"; it is based on Gurbani - the actual words are there for all to read. All I have done is referred you to various quotations from Gurbani. It is very clear from these quotations what is intended by the Gurus. Further, the concept of Daya (compassion) is central to Sikhi - see the article "Dharma is the son of compassion" - "Ḏẖoul ḏẖaram ḏaiā kā pūṯ" (Japji sahib)

I have searched high and low and spoken to lots of dedicated Gursikhs who have practised Gurmat for many decades and I have not come across any clear evidence to promote "meat-eating" for a Gurmukh. If you cannot understand that it is cruel to kill animals then it is unlikely that we can make any progress on this topic. We are all on our own paths in life and I agree that there is no point in engaging in any heated argument on this topic.

In Sikhi at Gurdwaras, vegetarian food is always offered; every time I have been to a Mosque or Muslim gathering, the food offered includes meat. Clearly, this is a dissimilarity between the 2 religions!

Kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 11:34, 23 August 2015 (CDT)

Ramdasia talk rubbish

User:Sikh guy is editing Caste based articles. He removed previous data and introduced new data but without references. I do not comment on his edits; but he have written a controversial line in article Ramdasia; that The Ramdasias (Julaha) are very Jealousy Citizens don't no nothing about Sikhism, talk rubbish..

As when we start caste based articles; We have maintained such articles on Sikhiwiki for information purposes and also given a big note on each article that we don't give damn to casteism. Different groups existed in India, what they do and how they are inclined to Sikhism is main agenda of such articles.

It is request to you to kindly ask user to stop commenting like this. He write that Ramdasia is related to Julaha and Bhagat Kabir also belong to this community.

Recent days, i have heard from a Bania shopkeeper saying all Blady Jatts anpad khatoons have no akal and sit and order. Bhagat Dhanna was also from Jatt Background whose hymns are incorporated in Adi Granth. Moreover now days many people from Jat background are IAS, Engineers, Doctors etc. So Sikhiwiki should act on such statements and do clean up (IF statement is not referenced). I have attached image for reference.

Also he is writing Very Low Castes in Sikhism, in same article. Their is no concept of Upper Caste in Sikhism and Low Caste in Sikhism and these are Hinduistic assumptions. Also look into that please.

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Decide as early as possible

I understand that castes have no significance in Sikh Religion. This is the reason following template was created:

For Information only
ਜਾਣਹੁ ਜੋਤਿ ਨ ਪੂਛਹੁ ਜਾਤੀ ਆਗੈ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਹੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ (ਪੰਨਾ 349, ਸਤਰ 13, Nanak)

Sikhism does not endorse caste based distinctions in society that lead to unequal opportunities for some people. In fact, Sikhism completely rejects class or race based distinctions between humans, that leads us to make an inequitable society. Such distinctions have surfaced only due to ill interests of certain section of people, who, on the pretext of making a society more manageable through these classifications, eventually paved the way to an unequal grouping within the human race. This article is just for information purpose and to share how people from different castes came into the Sikh fold. So, please treat this article as a source of general information about this issue and kindly do not amend this article to highlight this important underlying Sikh principle. If you have any comments, please discuss them appropriately here

I think you should remove all articles on particular castes from Sikhiwiki.
We can keep single article on Caste System and Gurbani views on Caste System.
Under that article we can give details of particular caste, if required.
Separate articles will bring more people from different sections to Sikhiwiki for purpose of editing that which may result into vandalism like this user does

Alert 2 - Ramdasias are Mental People

If you do not want to block page on castes like Jatt, Bhapa etc. Why not you block main Caste page and enter information from relevant source(Guru GRanth Sahib or other Sikh). The user Sikh Guy is even entering concept of 15 Caste in Sikhism; which is no where in past. Please take necessary action.

Alert 3 - Amritdhari is Caste and Tribe

Alert 4 - Continuously attack a Caste

Editing next to impossible for me

Hi Admin, I am trying to edit random pages on Sikhiwiki; but usually unable to do so. After edits, when i click save page button; website redirects to Captcha page. When i enter correct captcha, it goes back to edit page and remove all edits. It become difficult to use sikhiwiki. Do you have solution to this or is this technical error only. Attaching a screenshot for your reference. Thanks

I agree Hari Singh Ji. I have also faced this frustrating issue recently. Is this expected ? or some bug ?
Thanks. Voyager (talk) 01:16, 16 November 2015 (CST)

Editing next to impossible for me - Info 2

In continuation to previous message; following are details of issue i am facing:

  • It is OK to create new article
  • It is OK to edit sections within articles; i get image verification and when click save the edits got saved. Very few time it returns to edit without saving anything
  • Unable to edit beginning portions of an article.

{{HarpreetSingh (talk) 04:18, 30 November 2015 (CST)}}

Pls add noCasteism to some pages

Khalsa Ji,

Some of the caste pages do not contain the "nocasteism" tag at the top. Since these pages are (rightly!) protected, could you please add this tag.

Nai, Chamar, Bania are the three where the tag needs to be added.

Thank you. Voyager (talk) 14:54, 3 December 2015 (CST)

Something wrong with wiki

Khalsa Ji,

There appears to be some formatting issues that have crept up automatically. For instance, in this article Revelation in Sikhism, although no modification was made, quotations and references disappeared. Are you also experiencing issues elsewhere ?

Also, the "number of page views" that used to appear at the bottom of each page also seems to have disappeared.

Thank you, Voyager (talk) 02:16, 15 December 2015 (CST)

Please delete

Khalsa Ji, WJKKWJKF,

Kindly delete the new page title I created by mistake: "Bhakti Movement and Sikhism‎".

On a related note, is there an easy way for me to "mark" pages for suggested deletion, so you can automatically be informed about them.

Regards Voyager (talk) 03:05, 6 March 2016 (CST)

Caste articles.

Khalsa Ji, WJKKWJKF.

Hope you are doing well.

Most of the activity from new editors (who keep appearing every few months, Sikh Guy, Norah Kaur, Sarah Kaur, etc etc) here on Sikhiwiki seems to be focused on caste related articles, often including ridiculous content. This is highly disturbing and degrades the overall quality of Sikhiwiki. Any outsider who would come here seeking information or with an intention to edit, would get highly discouraged on seeing this immense focus on caste related articles. Can I request:

a. Either lock all these articles indefinitely. OR b. Delete all these articles.

I believe some other users have also made similar requests on your talk page above (I think it was Harpreet Singh, if I am not mistaken).

It would be really great if some solution can be worked out for this problem, so the focus can shift to improving the quality of the actual articles on Sikhi that matter.

Regards, Voyager (talk) 12:47, 26 April 2016 (CDT)

Recent changes not showing

Khalsa Ji, hope you are doing well.

For the last few days, there seems to be a problem for me with the "Recent changes". When I click on it, I am not seeing the changes that I have made. I do see some of the changes made by others, but not certain if it is the complete list of changes made by everyone else. (Since my own changes don't show, maybe some of the changes made by others are also not shown.) Could you please see if you are having some issue as well ?

I assume clicking on "Recent changes" is the way you also keep track of all the recent activity. If there is another option, please let me know.

Regards, Voyager (talk) 20:22, 20 May 2016 (CDT)

PS: I just made sure that I have not selected "Hide my edits" in the settings while seeing the "Recent changes", still my own edits are not showing. Which makes me wonder if some other edits are also not being seen.