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==Various Facts On Labanas==
* Lubanas migrated to punjab since turskih rulers started forcing people to convert people to islam. Thus due to a strong movement by the Muslim Turkish rulers, many cosonovian tribes(Lubana's ancestors) moved to punjab. Mughalas are the desendents of Mongols who are from mongolia and have no connection with turks. I dont know where you get this idea that Mughals(Mongols) and Turks are realted.
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* Lubanas were never hindus. They were followers of Sukhi Sarwar who was a peer. Even to this day many maseets of Sukhi sarwar can be found in Lubana villages. We have 2 Maseets in our pind. That census accounts anyone who is not a sunni muslim to be a hindu. Even the Ahmedi Muslims were recorded as hindus since they follow local peers. Lubanas have never been part of the hindu culture and have always detested it. Thats the reason why some Brahmins got mad at us and tried to depict us as Shudras.


ᇣ Lubanas migrated to punjab since turskih rulers started forcing people to convert people to islam. Thus due to a strong movement by the Muslim Turkish rulers, many cosonovian tribes(Lubana's ancestors) moved to punjab. Mughalas are the desendents of Mongols who are from mongolia and have no connection with turks. I dont know where you get this idea that Mughals(Mongols) and Turks are realted.  
* Lubanas villages have excisted from 1300 ad. There are many Tandas(lubana villages) in West pakistan who can be traced back to that era.  


ᇣ Lubanas were never hindus. They were followers of Sukhi Sarwar who was a peer. Even to this day many maseets of Sukhi sarwar can be found in Lubana villages. We have 2 Maseets in our pind. That census accounts anyone who is not a sunni muslim to be a hindu. Even the Ahmedi Muslims were recorded as hindus since they follow local peers. Lubanas have never been part of the hindu culture and have always detested it. Thats the reason why some Brahmins got mad at us and tried to depict us as Shudras.  
* Lubanki Language had some similarly with Bagri language spoken by Rajputs in Rajasthan. But that does not mean Lubanas are from Rajputs. It is a case of cultural diffusion and lubanki seemed to have been influecned by other languages.  


ᇣ Lubanas villages have excisted from 1300 ad. There are many Tandas(lubana villages) in West pakistan who can be traced back to that era.  
* Lubanas took the best lands in Gujranwala and Sekhupura. They have complete domiance in Kapurthala distrcit. I think your comment is directed by jealously then anything esle. But then again Since u claim to be Ghotra wot can i say.


ᇣ Lubanki Language had some similarly with Bagri language spoken by Rajputs in Rajasthan. But that does not mean Lubanas are from Rajputs. It is a case of cultural diffusion and lubanki seemed to have been influecned by other languages.  
* Lubanas were neither Hindus or muslims during the Era of Guru Nanak. They were followers of Sukhi Sarwar who spread the message of peace around the world. Some lubanas were impressed by the teachings of Guru Nanak and became his followers. However majority of the Lubanas became sikhs under the 9th Guru.


ᇣ Lubanas took the best lands in Gujranwala and Sekhupura. They have complete domiance in Kapurthala distrcit. I think your comment is directed by jealously then anything esle. But then again Since u claim to be Ghotra wot can i say.
* The largest lubana clan multani are the desendents of the famous sultani named multani. I have great respect fro Dr Jaswant singh but he seems to be missing a low of information when it comes to the relgion and culture of lubans before sikhism. Many Britishers have mentioned about the Sultani Links of lubanas. Even to this day lubanas pinds have several Sultani maseets. My pind(ibrahimpur) in Hosiarpur near Tanda has 2 maseets. Please provide the name of ur pind. This fact has been proven by britishers and even present dy lubanas that they had links with Tursks and Sultani sect.


ᇣ Lubanas were neither Hindus or muslims during the Era of Guru Nanak. They were followers of Sukhi Sarwar who spread the message of peace around the world. Some lubanas were impressed by the teachings of Guru Nanak and became his followers. However majority of the Lubanas became sikhs under the 9th Guru.
* Lubanas never followed any devis. There were few lubanas who were followers of gugga peer and this fact has been stated by bingly and many other historians.. Please provide me a statement by any Brtish historian where he mentions lubans being followers of devis.


ᇣ The largest lubana clan multani are the desendents of the famous sultani named multani. I have great respect fro Dr Jaswant singh but he seems to be missing a low of information when it comes to the relgion and culture of lubans before sikhism. Many Britishers have mentioned about the Sultani Links of lubanas. Even to this day lubanas pinds have several Sultani maseets. My pind(ibrahimpur) in Hosiarpur near Tanda has 2 maseets. Please provide the name of ur pind. This fact has been proven by britishers and even present dy lubanas that they had links with Tursks and Sultani sect.
* Labana also means in " the one who found". This work is still used in labanki language to express "to find". Given the history of Sikh Gurus, it makes sense that Labanas work must have used for the people who found the Ninth Guru.


ᇣ Lubanas never followed any devis. There were few lubanas who were followers of gugga peer and this fact has been stated by bingly and many other historians.. Please provide me a statement by any Brtish historian where he mentions lubans being followers of devis.
* Majority of the sindhi lubanas migrated to haryana or delhi.


ᇣ Labana also means in " the one who found". This work is still used in labanki language to express "to find". Given the history of Sikh Gurus, it makes sense that Labanas work must have used for the people who found the Ninth Guru.
* Lubanas in punjab and pakistan are of turskih ancestory and many historians have written about it. Banjaras in Madhaya pradesh, andra pradesh, rajasthan, gujrat claim to be lubanas but they racially not linked to us and are generally short and dark which is completly opposite of lubanas in punjab and pakistan.


ᇣ Majority of the sindhi lubanas migrated to haryana or delhi.
* The labanki word for salt is "loon" and the famous labana game is called 'Looni mitti'. Lubanas have been landlords way before sikhism. They were a dominating race in Sekhupura and Gujranwala before sikhism came into play. Banjaras who claim to be lubanas have no realtion with us.  


ᇣ Lubanas in punjab and pakistan are of turskih ancestory and many historians have written about it. Banjaras in Madhaya pradesh, andra pradesh, rajasthan, gujrat claim to be lubanas but they racially not linked to us and are generally short and dark which is completly opposite of lubanas in punjab and pakistan.
* It is true that Labanas and Banjara words are used interchangeably in history. For example the Vihar Sudhar Movement of SGPC, in which Sant Baba Prem Singh Ji played an important part, gave the responsibility of conversion of Banjaras to Sant Baba Prem Singh Ji. And we from the region of Punjab know of the effect of conversion on the Labana community today. It may be true that not all Banjaras are Labanas. But we will have to have very good reasons from distancing ourselves from people who share our traditional customs and language.  


ᇣ The labanki word for salt is "loon" and the famous labana game is called 'Looni mitti'. Lubanas have been landlords way before sikhism. They were a dominating race in Sekhupura and Gujranwala before sikhism came into play. Banjaras who claim to be lubanas have no realtion with us.  
* Now it is also stated by HA Rose in the Glossary of Castes and Tribes of Punjab and North West Frontier that Ajrawat's consider themselves superior to many other Labanas (the book outlines which ones), and don't intermarry with many Labana gots. Now before you take offence to this matter, do realize that I am Ajrawat too. History says what history says


ᇣ It is true that Labanas and Banjara words are used interchangeably in history. For example the Vihar Sudhar Movement of SGPC, in which Sant Baba Prem Singh Ji played an important part, gave the responsibility of conversion of Banjaras to Sant Baba Prem Singh Ji. And we from the region of Punjab know of the effect of conversion on the Labana community today. It may be true that not all Banjaras are Labanas. But we will have to have very good reasons from distancing ourselves from people who share our traditional customs and language.
* The labanas who are living in Rajasthan are from 84 villages of Sind. Our history goes back to Bhangee Misle. This history is recorded the mission which have its Gurudwars in Ajmer and Delhi. These Labanas do not speak Punjabi and have very litttle understanding of Punjabi Labanas. They donot even relate themselves to punjabi labanas


ᇣ Now it is also stated by HA Rose in the Glossary of Castes and Tribes of Punjab and North West Frontier that Ajrawat's consider themselves superior to many other Labanas (the book outlines which ones), and don't intermarry with many Labana gots. Now before you take offence to this matter, do realize that I am Ajrawat too. History says what history says
* Lambadis( what Labanas are called in Andhra Pardesh ), are closer to Northern Indians. The Lambadis are a large picturesque tribe who is found throughout Deccan though most of them are found in Andhra Pradesh, especially in Telangana. They are also called Banjaras and Sugalis. They are tall, fair complexioned, have aquiline noses and classical Nordic features. They are good agriculturist and excellent cattle breeders. They served as the commisariat of the Moghul armies. The last line is of particular interest too. The commissariat of Moghul armies work is what Lakhi Shah Labana used to do


ᇣ The labanas who are living in Rajasthan are from 84 villages of Sind. Our history goes back to Bhangee Misle. This history is recorded the mission which have its Gurudwars in Ajmer and Delhi. These Labanas do not speak Punjabi and have very litttle understanding of Punjabi Labanas. They donot even relate themselves to punjabi labanas
* Baba Makhan Shah Lubana was born to Hardeo in Sammat 1703. He was Pelia, of Got Kashyap. He was married to Bibi Sital Devi, daughter of Naik Parshotam Das, of Got Sandlas as per Rajput rites. He inherited the business from his father. He had one son. Lal Das. His great-grandsons are recorded as all Singhs. His great grand-son Baba Nodh Singh died fighting alongside Baba Deep Singh Ji. Guru Sagar De Suche Moti - Giani Chet Singh, Former Head Granthi, Harmandir Sahib, Amritsar. some info from Lubana Itihaas by Harnam Singh. Makhan Shah Lubana is recorded as being a Sikh who had the great opportunity of seeing Guru Hargobind Ji when the Guru was coming back from Kashmir.


ᇣ Lambadis( what Labanas are called in Andhra Pardesh ), are closer to Northern Indians. The Lambadis are a large picturesque tribe who is found throughout Deccan though most of them are found in Andhra Pradesh, especially in Telangana. They are also called Banjaras and Sugalis. They are tall, fair complexioned, have aquiline noses and classical Nordic features. They are good agriculturist and excellent cattle breeders. They served as the commisariat of the Moghul armies. The last line is of particular interest too. The commissariat of Moghul armies work is what Lakhi Shah Labana used to do
* The book Labana Itihaas, by Sardar Harnam Singh describes Lobana as associated with the word Loh-Bana, and here Loh means Iron, and Bana means dress. People who dress in Iron Armour. As per this book, there was a battle between the Labana warriors, and another king. The valour with which these warriors fought gave rise to the phrase Loh-Bane. The same book also gives an alternate description as being the Hindu Lord Ram's Son Lau's descendents - Lau - aana.
 
ᇣ Baba Makhan Shah Lubana was born to Hardeo in Sammat 1703. He was Pelia, of Got Kashyap. He was married to Bibi Sital Devi, daughter of Naik Parshotam Das, of Got Sandlas as per Rajput rites. He inherited the business from his father. He had one son. Lal Das. His great-grandsons are recorded as all Singhs. His great grand-son Baba Nodh Singh died fighting alongside Baba Deep Singh Ji. Guru Sagar De Suche Moti - Giani Chet Singh, Former Head Granthi, Harmandir Sahib, Amritsar. some info from Lubana Itihaas by Harnam Singh. Makhan Shah Lubana is recorded as being a Sikh who had the great opportunity of seeing Guru Hargobind Ji when the Guru was coming back from Kashmir.
 
ᇣ The book Labana Itihaas, by Sardar Harnam Singh describes Lobana as associated with the word Loh-Bana, and here Loh means Iron, and Bana means dress. People who dress in Iron Armour. As per this book, there was a battle between the Labana warriors, and another king. The valour with which these warriors fought gave rise to the phrase Loh-Bane. The same book also gives an alternate description as being the Hindu Lord Ram's Son Lau's descendents - Lau - aana.




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  • Lubanas migrated to punjab since turskih rulers started forcing people to convert people to islam. Thus due to a strong movement by the Muslim Turkish rulers, many cosonovian tribes(Lubana's ancestors) moved to punjab. Mughalas are the desendents of Mongols who are from mongolia and have no connection with turks. I dont know where you get this idea that Mughals(Mongols) and Turks are realted.
  • Lubanas were never hindus. They were followers of Sukhi Sarwar who was a peer. Even to this day many maseets of Sukhi sarwar can be found in Lubana villages. We have 2 Maseets in our pind. That census accounts anyone who is not a sunni muslim to be a hindu. Even the Ahmedi Muslims were recorded as hindus since they follow local peers. Lubanas have never been part of the hindu culture and have always detested it. Thats the reason why some Brahmins got mad at us and tried to depict us as Shudras.
  • Lubanas villages have excisted from 1300 ad. There are many Tandas(lubana villages) in West pakistan who can be traced back to that era.
  • Lubanki Language had some similarly with Bagri language spoken by Rajputs in Rajasthan. But that does not mean Lubanas are from Rajputs. It is a case of cultural diffusion and lubanki seemed to have been influecned by other languages.
  • Lubanas took the best lands in Gujranwala and Sekhupura. They have complete domiance in Kapurthala distrcit. I think your comment is directed by jealously then anything esle. But then again Since u claim to be Ghotra wot can i say.
  • Lubanas were neither Hindus or muslims during the Era of Guru Nanak. They were followers of Sukhi Sarwar who spread the message of peace around the world. Some lubanas were impressed by the teachings of Guru Nanak and became his followers. However majority of the Lubanas became sikhs under the 9th Guru.
  • The largest lubana clan multani are the desendents of the famous sultani named multani. I have great respect fro Dr Jaswant singh but he seems to be missing a low of information when it comes to the relgion and culture of lubans before sikhism. Many Britishers have mentioned about the Sultani Links of lubanas. Even to this day lubanas pinds have several Sultani maseets. My pind(ibrahimpur) in Hosiarpur near Tanda has 2 maseets. Please provide the name of ur pind. This fact has been proven by britishers and even present dy lubanas that they had links with Tursks and Sultani sect.
  • Lubanas never followed any devis. There were few lubanas who were followers of gugga peer and this fact has been stated by bingly and many other historians.. Please provide me a statement by any Brtish historian where he mentions lubans being followers of devis.
  • Labana also means in " the one who found". This work is still used in labanki language to express "to find". Given the history of Sikh Gurus, it makes sense that Labanas work must have used for the people who found the Ninth Guru.
  • Majority of the sindhi lubanas migrated to haryana or delhi.
  • Lubanas in punjab and pakistan are of turskih ancestory and many historians have written about it. Banjaras in Madhaya pradesh, andra pradesh, rajasthan, gujrat claim to be lubanas but they racially not linked to us and are generally short and dark which is completly opposite of lubanas in punjab and pakistan.
  • The labanki word for salt is "loon" and the famous labana game is called 'Looni mitti'. Lubanas have been landlords way before sikhism. They were a dominating race in Sekhupura and Gujranwala before sikhism came into play. Banjaras who claim to be lubanas have no realtion with us.
  • It is true that Labanas and Banjara words are used interchangeably in history. For example the Vihar Sudhar Movement of SGPC, in which Sant Baba Prem Singh Ji played an important part, gave the responsibility of conversion of Banjaras to Sant Baba Prem Singh Ji. And we from the region of Punjab know of the effect of conversion on the Labana community today. It may be true that not all Banjaras are Labanas. But we will have to have very good reasons from distancing ourselves from people who share our traditional customs and language.
  • Now it is also stated by HA Rose in the Glossary of Castes and Tribes of Punjab and North West Frontier that Ajrawat's consider themselves superior to many other Labanas (the book outlines which ones), and don't intermarry with many Labana gots. Now before you take offence to this matter, do realize that I am Ajrawat too. History says what history says
  • The labanas who are living in Rajasthan are from 84 villages of Sind. Our history goes back to Bhangee Misle. This history is recorded the mission which have its Gurudwars in Ajmer and Delhi. These Labanas do not speak Punjabi and have very litttle understanding of Punjabi Labanas. They donot even relate themselves to punjabi labanas
  • Lambadis( what Labanas are called in Andhra Pardesh ), are closer to Northern Indians. The Lambadis are a large picturesque tribe who is found throughout Deccan though most of them are found in Andhra Pradesh, especially in Telangana. They are also called Banjaras and Sugalis. They are tall, fair complexioned, have aquiline noses and classical Nordic features. They are good agriculturist and excellent cattle breeders. They served as the commisariat of the Moghul armies. The last line is of particular interest too. The commissariat of Moghul armies work is what Lakhi Shah Labana used to do
  • Baba Makhan Shah Lubana was born to Hardeo in Sammat 1703. He was Pelia, of Got Kashyap. He was married to Bibi Sital Devi, daughter of Naik Parshotam Das, of Got Sandlas as per Rajput rites. He inherited the business from his father. He had one son. Lal Das. His great-grandsons are recorded as all Singhs. His great grand-son Baba Nodh Singh died fighting alongside Baba Deep Singh Ji. Guru Sagar De Suche Moti - Giani Chet Singh, Former Head Granthi, Harmandir Sahib, Amritsar. some info from Lubana Itihaas by Harnam Singh. Makhan Shah Lubana is recorded as being a Sikh who had the great opportunity of seeing Guru Hargobind Ji when the Guru was coming back from Kashmir.
  • The book Labana Itihaas, by Sardar Harnam Singh describes Lobana as associated with the word Loh-Bana, and here Loh means Iron, and Bana means dress. People who dress in Iron Armour. As per this book, there was a battle between the Labana warriors, and another king. The valour with which these warriors fought gave rise to the phrase Loh-Bane. The same book also gives an alternate description as being the Hindu Lord Ram's Son Lau's descendents - Lau - aana.
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