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Any disputed or controversial issue will need to be vetted so that it passes the test of genuineness. Further, if you are trying to go in the opposite direction of [[Gurbani]], that is simply not acceptable. We can all have our personal habits, etc but we cannot back these views with unreliable quotations. | Any disputed or controversial issue will need to be vetted so that it passes the test of genuineness. Further, if you are trying to go in the opposite direction of [[Gurbani]], that is simply not acceptable. We can all have our personal habits, etc but we cannot back these views with unreliable quotations. | ||
If eating meat is allowed in [[Gurmat]], why stop there? How about cannibalism? In your opinion, does Gurbani say anything about this? | At present my main concern is historic quotations; you should be able to get these from the original books and photograph these section so that we can have an image uploaded. Once this is done we can see how much weight can be given to the text. We are not in any great hurry now that the notice has been put on the article; perhaps 2 weeks will be sufficient time. | ||
However, I would ask you not to add any unquoted and unreferenced material to these controversial articles as it does not follow the rules of a Wiki. | |||
A final thought: If eating meat is allowed in [[Gurmat]], why stop there? How about cannibalism? In your opinion, does Gurbani say anything about this? | |||
In my opinion, the position conveyed by this article is against Gurmat and also against new scientific evidence; it is simply not acceptable as it stands. | |||
Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 12:17, 26 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
Revision as of 11:40, 26 March 2012
Respected Veer ji,
Thanks for the message. Will wait for your signal. Please take your time. I will also like to keep the history intact so that readers can see the efforts made by you since this website was setup. So I will look at all these options and we will decide once you have done a full backup of all relevant user related pages. I suggest that you do not delete anything and leave that to me as I may redirect to your "old" talk page so that we still have that intact, etc, etc.
Another thing, we are coming to India next month and it will be great if some of us can get together for a meal together and have a long chat. Please send me an email at [email protected] and we can discuss this more. I hope you will not be too busy in late November.
Guru's blessing, Hari Singhtalk 18:53, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
Problems editing
Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
Many thanks for the message. All is well with Guru's blessings. I hope you too are keeping in chardikala.
I have had many messages from user:Allenwalla who is having multiple problems with Captcha security screen interrupting even when he does small edits and then logging him out. I have just reported this with your problems to Gurumustuk Singh (GMS). This is an on-going issue as I too had some issues with the system last week. I believe that this has all come about due to the latest update to the Mediawiki database software.
The Unicode corruption has also been highlighted but we have not found a solution apart from re-entry - which will be too onerous. I have suggested a few other options and I am waiting for a response. I believe that GMS is on holiday in Florida with his parents and so it may take a little while to resolve these issues. I will keep you posted but it seems a sensible precaution to do the editing in Wordpad and saving this locally before transferring to Sikhiwiki; this is a sensible precaution until we have resolved all the pending issues about the reliability of the system.
Warm regards, Hari Singhtalk 14:50, 19 December 2011 (CST)
Unicode Gurmukhi corruption
Veer ji Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
We have just managed to retrieve the uncorrupted version of Sikhiwiki from October 2011. I am doing some Wiki export of the pages to a backup and hopefully we will have most of the corruption resolved in the next few days.
Can I suggest that you do this posting of Punjabi quotes after we have a recovered version of the database in the next few days. I will send you a message when the recovery is complete. I hope this will be OK. Kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 18:40, 15 January 2012 (CST)
Veer ji, Hope all is well.
We have reverted back to the data as at 19 October 2011 and updated with all the articles from then to today (16 January 2012) morning time.
Can you please check to see if all your recent work is intact; also most of the Gurmukhi Unicode characters will now display correctly apart from the updated articles containing Unicode. I will amend these manually by looking at the last version of the article which will correctly display the Unicode characters.
Many thanks and kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 13:53, 16 January 2012 (CST)
Censored
Veer ji,
This was in protest to the proposed laws called SOPA & PIPA in the USA. If these become law, we would have to guarantee that all the external links at Sikhiwiki were pointing to legal, non-copyrighted material at all times. Even if one of these links pointed to a copyrighted photo, music, video, etc then the authorities in the USA can automatically block our site even if we based outside USA!
This would pose a serious risk to Sikhiwiki as this is an automatic process without legal intervention. It would probabaly mean an end of our site as no one can monitor each external link all the time. So if the link content were changed after we had setup the link, we would still be deemed to be guilt by some US citizen!
Read more at Wikipedia -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Learn_more
Kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 19:39, 19 January 2012 (CST)
Veer ji,
No. References to books is perfectly OK. This will never be a problem and we should encourage references to books. However, direct links to other websites could have become a serious problem.
And in particular, when we put links to other websites or to online kirtan which may be infringing copyright - either now or sometimes in the future when the webmaster at the other site changes the content without our knowledge.
Luckily, I believe the Wikipedia protest has been successful and the 2 bills in the USA have been put on-hold. However, if these did become law then we would be at serious risk of being barred by the USA authorities as they control the internet and most of the common domains.
So for now, we do not have to worry but may be we should review how we protect ourselves in future. We need to work on this for the future as the work that has been done on this site is too valuable to be put at such a risk. One safety would be to publish this as a book so that the website is saved for future generations. We will have to develop thoughts on this in the next few months.
Many thanks & kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 11:17, 21 January 2012 (CST)
Uploading images after SOPA & PIPA
Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
We have to respect copyrights of original works. However, we can upload a "sample" of the original works for reviewing purposes and also as may be necessary to write a review of an article.
If we use an image, insert a narrative to show the source - in most cases this should protect us as we are a charity offering free education and not a commercial venture making a profit from the use of the picture.
The other option is to ask for permission from the original creator of the work and most Sikh originators will grant permission for the education of the masses about the message of Sikhi.
What image did you have in mind?
Kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 13:10, 4 February 2012 (CST)
Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
With Guru's kirpa, both the family and I are keeping well. I hope the same applies to you and your family too.
It is great news to hear about your visit to the historical shrine - Gurdwara Nanaklama Sahib, a great blessing indeed. I hope you will give us a full account of your visit so that we too can enjoy your experience as well.
Veer ji, Guru sahib was only there for a little while, so their customs there will be entirely different but nevertheless it was a special place for the Guru to have chosen to visit it.
Please do share your experience and we can discuss how best to incorporate it into the article page. I look forward to your detailed comments about the place.
Many thanks and kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 19:31, 25 February 2012 (CST)
Professor Sahib Singh on Dasam Granth
Veer ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
I don't know how these images have disappeared but I will check the original and update the article. Many thanks again for keeping a close eye on the good health of this website.
Kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 04:28, 2 March 2012 (CST)
SOPA PIPA
Respected Veer ji,
Many thanks for your message. With Waheguru's grace all is well and I hope the same applies to you as well. No plans yet for a trip to India' may be next year with the Guru's blessings.
Regarding the above, no worries if you are using photos created by you - these have no restrictions - you can use them freely at SikhiWiki.
If you mix work of other people, you should acknowledge their work by putting something like -> (original photo:AFP)
This should cover us against any present and hopefully for future legislation as well. Kind regards, Guru dee fateh, Hari Singhtalk 15:21, 18 March 2012 (CDT)
Conversational articles require citations:
Veer ji, Sat Sri Akal
You have been part of Sikhiwiki for a long time and I am sure you will agree that any point that is controversial will require quotations and even more - the quotations will have to be credible. On the one hand we have Gurbani which is known to be genuine and unpolluted while on the other hand we have historical records which have no real track record. We cannot depend on unreliable quotes to teach the cyber sangat about Gurmat!
Any disputed or controversial issue will need to be vetted so that it passes the test of genuineness. Further, if you are trying to go in the opposite direction of Gurbani, that is simply not acceptable. We can all have our personal habits, etc but we cannot back these views with unreliable quotations.
At present my main concern is historic quotations; you should be able to get these from the original books and photograph these section so that we can have an image uploaded. Once this is done we can see how much weight can be given to the text. We are not in any great hurry now that the notice has been put on the article; perhaps 2 weeks will be sufficient time.
However, I would ask you not to add any unquoted and unreferenced material to these controversial articles as it does not follow the rules of a Wiki.
A final thought: If eating meat is allowed in Gurmat, why stop there? How about cannibalism? In your opinion, does Gurbani say anything about this?
In my opinion, the position conveyed by this article is against Gurmat and also against new scientific evidence; it is simply not acceptable as it stands.
Kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 12:17, 26 March 2012 (CDT)
