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Things which can be infered ......the context which can be understood (the 'Mat' part of 'GurMat')
Things which can be infered ......the context which can be understood (the 'Mat' part of 'GurMat')
* ਰਾਤੀ ਰ੝ਤੀ ਥਿਤੀ ਵਾਰ ॥During his wandrings Nanak Sahib phisically on ground experienced the harsh & rough environment dates, days, time night stays at hostile places, & rough happenings.     
* '''ਰਾਤੀ ਰ੝ਤੀ ਥਿਤੀ ਵਾਰ''' ॥During his wandrings Nanak Sahib phisically on ground experienced the harsh & rough environment dates, days, time night stays at hostile places, & rough happenings.     
* ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਅਗਨੀ ਪਾਤਾਲ ॥ reference to the dogmatic Brahmanic perception of today's, what we call '''univerese.  
* '''ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਅਗਨੀ ਪਾਤਾਲ''' ॥ reference to the dogmatic Brahmanic perception of today's, what we call '''univerese.  


* ਤਿਸ੝ ਵਿਚਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਥਾਪਿ ਰਖੀ ਧਰਮ ਸਾਲ ॥Dharam Shala(Today's religious institutes)
* '''ਤਿਸ੝ ਵਿਚਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਥਾਪਿ ਰਖੀ ਧਰਮ ਸਾਲ''' ॥Dharam Shala(Today's religious institutes)
Nanaks 2nd set of Homes besides his own home in Punjab, where he spent a big part of his life. Shalas structured, managed, ruled, & run by [[FALSEHOOD]] during the bloody war torn Hindu-Muslim infarnos burning all over & Nanak consistently honing his survival Skills & passing on the TRUE IDEAs to the companions he could TRUST (an impossible feat & TRUE [[Sikhi.]] expects each one of us to become masters of). Needless to imagin that only Flawless beings could have suvived looting, expliotation, rapes & butchering.  
Nanaks 2nd set of Homes besides his own home in Punjab, where he spent a big part of his life. Shalas structured, managed, ruled, & run by [[FALSEHOOD]] during the bloody war torn Hindu-Muslim infarnos burning all over & Nanak consistently honing his survival Skills & passing on the TRUE IDEAs to the companions he could TRUST (an impossible feat & TRUE [[Sikhi.]] expects each one of us to become masters of). Needless to imagin that only Flawless beings could have suvived looting, expliotation, rapes & butchering.  


Nanak here is refering to that (Ruthless Humanity which will care no love lost for no one) & commandant of TRUTH god then was (in modren sese 'it '''is''' even toay') '''''..stay alert & aware...(otherwise see yourself dead)'''''......sayth Nanak '''''......jo tau prem Khylan ka chau sir dhar tali gali myre au.....'''''.....that is the standard of TRUTHfullness & integration which Sikhi Demanded, Had been demanding till now, is demanding Here and Now..will ever demand beyond eternity  .If we just brows through [[SatGurbani]] there is repeated repeation of the command '''''...'''''..stay alert & aware
Nanak here is refering to that (Ruthless Humanity which will care no love lost for no one) & commandant of TRUTH god then was (in modren sese 'it '''is''' even toay') '''''..stay alert & aware...(otherwise see yourself dead)'''''......sayth Nanak '''''......jo tau prem Khylan ka chau sir dhar tali gali myre au.....'''''.....that is the standard of TRUTHfullness & integration which Sikhi Demanded, Had been demanding till now, is demanding Here and Now..will ever demand beyond eternity  .If we just brows through [[SatGurBani]] there is repeated repeation of the command '''''...'''''..stay alert & aware
* ਤਿਸ੝ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੀਅ ਜ੝ਗਤਿ ਕੇ ਰੰਗ ॥It is a game of who oversmarts whome


*ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਅਨੇਕ ਅਨੰਤ ॥asankh chor haram khor
*'''ਤਿਸ੝ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੀਅ ਜ੝ਗਤਿ ਕੇ ਰੰਗ '''॥It is a game of who oversmarts whome.


*ਕਰਮੀ ਕਰਮੀ ਹੋਇ ਵੀਚਾਰ੝ ॥the drama of check parade being organised ( not to accomodate & the travellers & users of the night services provided by the Shala Management, but to accomodate their possessions in the pockets of the Managers & make the Inn managers comfortable) probably Nanak Standing in a long Q seeking an entery for a night stay in a Dharam Shala where-in, each individual might have been asked to prove his credentials . He may be pondering over a Trick to come clean & stay out of Trouble.  
*'''ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਅਨੇਕ ਅਨੰਤ '''॥asankh chor haram khor.  


What happened is not the issue. Nanak passed survived on the Strength of TRUTHfull [[SatGurBani|speach]] & passed this path & Ideas of survival to us  through [[SatGurBani]]
*'''ਕਰਮੀ ਕਰਮੀ ਹੋਇ ਵੀਚਾਰ੝''' ॥the drama of check parade being organised ( not to accomodate & the travellers & users of the night services provided by the Shala Management, but to accomodate their possessions in the pockets of the Managers & make the Inn managers comfortable) probably Nanak Standing in a long Q seeking an entery for a night stay in a Dharam Shala where-in, each individual might have been asked to prove his credentials . He may be pondering over a Trick to come clean & stay out of Trouble.
 
What happened is not the issue. Nanak passed survived on the Strength of TRUTH ful [[SatGurBani|speach]] & passed this path & Ideas of survival to us  through [[SatGurBani]]


'''our having followed them in letter & spirit or not sure is the issue here.'''
'''our having followed them in letter & spirit or not sure is the issue here.'''
      
      
ਸਚਾ ਆਪਿ ਸਚਾ ਦਰਬਾਰ੝ ॥ Fine! Nanaks pen, TRUTHfull speach, & his being Walking Gurbani in Human form all eminate & finally blend into TRUTH. words like 'Some', 'depending upon', 'however' countless others which supporters of [[FALSEHOOD]] use liberally in philosophising [[SatGurBani]]  no exist in the dictionary of GurMat.   
* '''ਸਚਾ ਆਪਿ ਸਚਾ ਦਰਬਾਰ੝ ॥''' Fine! Nanaks pen, TRUTHfull speach, & his being Walking Gurbani in Human form all eminate & finally blend into TRUTH. words like 'Some', 'depending upon', 'however' countless others which supporters of [[FALSEHOOD]] use liberally in philosophising [[SatGurBani]]  no exist in the dictionary of GurMat.   


ਤਿਥੈ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਪੰਚ ਪਰਵਾਣ੝ ॥ Who are those Five people ?? this is the only theme of this  
* '''ਤਿਥੈ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਪੰਚ ਪਰਵਾਣ੝ ॥''' Who are those Five people ?? this is the only theme of this  
Paudi.
Paudi. Nanak envisions here to replace the barbaric system of Kings (today's Haves) with the [[Khalsa]] where in in any socio-political however small / whatever size it may be a team of 5 TRUTHfull persons need to be the voteries for a Yes/ No decision of an issue.  


nanak did identify 5 persons but took more than 200 yaers.  
nanak did identify 5 persons but took more than 200 yaers.  


ਨਦਰੀ ਕਰਮਿ ਪਵੈ ਨੀਸਾਣ੝ ॥ Nanak probably goes back to the Scene of his standing in the Q & waiting to be Branded as TRUE traveller, may be with some sort of ink mark. One mistake, (How so ever trivial, during the 'check parade' & the TRUTH god (Shala Management Haval dar) out gets thrown Nanak from the Q. Night in wilderness next day may or may not happen.  
* '''ਨਦਰੀ ਕਰਮਿ ਪਵੈ ਨੀਸਾਣ੝ ॥''' Nanak probably goes back to the Scene of his standing in the Q & waiting to be Branded as TRUE traveller, may be with some sort of ink mark. One mistake, (How so ever trivial, during the 'check parade' & the TRUTH god (Shala Management Haval dar) out gets thrown Nanak from the Q. Night in wilderness next day may or may not happen.  
      
      
ਕਚ ਪਕਾਈ ਓਥੈ ਪਾਇ ॥that is where FALSE & TRUE beings are identified (for sure nanak will no way accept any one but Mardana as his TRUTH god
* '''ਕਚ ਪਕਾਈ ਓਥੈ ਪਾਇ ॥''' that is where FALSE & TRUE beings are identified (for sure nanak will no way accept any one but Mardana as his TRUTH god
ਨਾਨਕ ਗਇਆ ਜਾਪੈ ਜਾਇ ॥੩੪॥ A truthfull man need to demonstrate his claim. He must at least appear to have truthfully gone on & walking over the TRUE Path to TRUTH. in moderen lingo if you love some one it must show. I love you has to be said flawlessly    
ਨਾਨਕ ਗਇਆ ਜਾਪੈ ਜਾਇ ॥੩੪॥ A truthfull man need to demonstrate his claim. He must at least appear to have truthfully gone on & walking over the TRUE Path to TRUTH. in moderen lingo if you love some one it must show. I love you has to be said flawlessly
 
 
 
Guru Nanak links this sense of duty to man’s consciousness of divine justice. This is the stage in which a sense of inquisitiveness is aroused in the mind of the devotee who is now no longer a casual onlooker of the world around but can perceive the divine purpose behind the creation of this planet of ours, the earth, which is set in the cosmic cradle of time and space and is sustained by the vital elements. Man has been placed in this world to respond to the Creator’s purpose.
 
In His court, he will be judged according to his moral response. This is the khand where our soul goes to after death. This is where Dharam Rai is stationed. Almost every religion explains this khand in some form or the other. Dharam Rai has an army of millions jammdoots who control the whole Dharam Khand. There are countless seasons, waters, fires, fires and low-lands like Pataal. Amidst such wide variety of things is the land of Dharam Khand. There countless kind of creatures reside. The length of ones stay in Dharam Khand is determined by the strength of the desires and attachments one possesses. Once the futility of holding on to earthly desires dawns, either through self experience or through the guidance of an enlightened soul one moves on into what some call Summerland but Guru Nanak Dev Ji calls Gian Khand.

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Things which can be infered ......the context which can be understood (the 'Mat' part of 'GurMat')

  • ਰਾਤੀ ਰ੝ਤੀ ਥਿਤੀ ਵਾਰ ॥During his wandrings Nanak Sahib phisically on ground experienced the harsh & rough environment dates, days, time night stays at hostile places, & rough happenings.
  • ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਅਗਨੀ ਪਾਤਾਲ ॥ reference to the dogmatic Brahmanic perception of today's, what we call univerese.
  • ਤਿਸ੝ ਵਿਚਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਥਾਪਿ ਰਖੀ ਧਰਮ ਸਾਲ ॥Dharam Shala(Today's religious institutes)

Nanaks 2nd set of Homes besides his own home in Punjab, where he spent a big part of his life. Shalas structured, managed, ruled, & run by FALSEHOOD during the bloody war torn Hindu-Muslim infarnos burning all over & Nanak consistently honing his survival Skills & passing on the TRUE IDEAs to the companions he could TRUST (an impossible feat & TRUE Sikhi. expects each one of us to become masters of). Needless to imagin that only Flawless beings could have suvived looting, expliotation, rapes & butchering.

Nanak here is refering to that (Ruthless Humanity which will care no love lost for no one) & commandant of TRUTH god then was (in modren sese 'it is even toay') ..stay alert & aware...(otherwise see yourself dead)......sayth Nanak ......jo tau prem Khylan ka chau sir dhar tali gali myre au..........that is the standard of TRUTHfullness & integration which Sikhi Demanded, Had been demanding till now, is demanding Here and Now..will ever demand beyond eternity .If we just brows through SatGurBani there is repeated repeation of the command .....stay alert & aware

  • ਤਿਸ੝ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੀਅ ਜ੝ਗਤਿ ਕੇ ਰੰਗ ॥It is a game of who oversmarts whome.
  • ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਅਨੇਕ ਅਨੰਤ ॥asankh chor haram khor.
  • ਕਰਮੀ ਕਰਮੀ ਹੋਇ ਵੀਚਾਰ੝ ॥the drama of check parade being organised ( not to accomodate & the travellers & users of the night services provided by the Shala Management, but to accomodate their possessions in the pockets of the Managers & make the Inn managers comfortable) probably Nanak Standing in a long Q seeking an entery for a night stay in a Dharam Shala where-in, each individual might have been asked to prove his credentials . He may be pondering over a Trick to come clean & stay out of Trouble.

What happened is not the issue. Nanak passed survived on the Strength of TRUTH ful speach & passed this path & Ideas of survival to us through SatGurBani

our having followed them in letter & spirit or not sure is the issue here.

  • ਸਚਾ ਆਪਿ ਸਚਾ ਦਰਬਾਰ੝ ॥ Fine! Nanaks pen, TRUTHfull speach, & his being Walking Gurbani in Human form all eminate & finally blend into TRUTH. words like 'Some', 'depending upon', 'however' countless others which supporters of FALSEHOOD use liberally in philosophising SatGurBani no exist in the dictionary of GurMat.
  • ਤਿਥੈ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਪੰਚ ਪਰਵਾਣ੝ ॥ Who are those Five people ?? this is the only theme of this

Paudi. Nanak envisions here to replace the barbaric system of Kings (today's Haves) with the Khalsa where in in any socio-political however small / whatever size it may be a team of 5 TRUTHfull persons need to be the voteries for a Yes/ No decision of an issue.

nanak did identify 5 persons but took more than 200 yaers.

  • ਨਦਰੀ ਕਰਮਿ ਪਵੈ ਨੀਸਾਣ੝ ॥ Nanak probably goes back to the Scene of his standing in the Q & waiting to be Branded as TRUE traveller, may be with some sort of ink mark. One mistake, (How so ever trivial, during the 'check parade' & the TRUTH god (Shala Management Haval dar) out gets thrown Nanak from the Q. Night in wilderness next day may or may not happen.
  • ਕਚ ਪਕਾਈ ਓਥੈ ਪਾਇ ॥ that is where FALSE & TRUE beings are identified (for sure nanak will no way accept any one but Mardana as his TRUTH god

ਨਾਨਕ ਗਇਆ ਜਾਪੈ ਜਾਇ ॥੩੪॥ A truthfull man need to demonstrate his claim. He must at least appear to have truthfully gone on & walking over the TRUE Path to TRUTH. in moderen lingo if you love some one it must show. I love you has to be said flawlessly