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Sayth Nanak "I have not practiced Yoga, or focused my consciousness on meditation." ---SGGS Pg 329

Now the issue to ponder over is Shoud we? if we dare call ourself Sikhs.

Dear Gurujot Singh Khalsa Ji,

WJKKWJKF

I am Amita Singh and new to Sikhiwiki.Permit me submit my bit as under :-

Nanak does not seem to be caring anything whatsoever for mystical/metaphysical, amounting to mythological practices of yoga prevelant at his time.These have now descended down in all sorts of comercial packages to today's mechanical & stressfull living.

You may consider making use of the above explicit & formal affirmation of Nanak as part of the article if it fits some where.

My perception may be lope sided . To me, SGGS teaches us only & only one Yogic Practice ie

Naam Japo ('Thy True name is TRUTH'.So we need to learn ,seek,believe-in and practice nothing but TRUTH & TRUTHFULL living),

Daan(Share NAAM ie TRUTH,TRUE IDEAS(SHABADS) & TRUTHFULL living with Humanity) in the backdrop of TRUTH. TRUTH can only be realised by Listening to,pondering over,understanding,believing-in and finally living life as per Satgurs(TRUE IDEAS of living life to realise & merge with TRUTH for eternity).

ISHNAAN(Introspect through the breaths we breathe.A Gursikh teaches no one but his own self by walkig over the path ordained by TRUTH & shown by TRUTH himself in SGGS.

The idea of learning/practicing various brands of Yogas by Gursikhs, as highlighted by the article, to me is an issue best commented upon by Scholars in the field of Gurbani Study. I am a lowly college level student young in age & immaure in thinking.beg Pardon from all those elders whome in my zeal, I might have inadvertantly offended.

Looking forward to guidance & comments from honourable Hari Singh ji, Navjot Singh ji & Sikhiwiki site specialists -Nanak Ghar Ka gola Amita Singh

             , 13 Aug o5 11:00 PM (Indian Standard Time)

Sayth SGGS on 'Yoga' Through Frof Sahib Singh "A sikh needs no yoga other than listening to,seeing,understanding,believing-in and practicing Naam ie TRUTH & to live a truthfull life rather than get entangled in all prevasive wilderness of falsehood"

Dear Gurujot Singh Khalsa Ji, WJKKWJKF !

Yours Truly Amita Singh again,

Beg your and other Singh Sahiban's Pardon for not being able to give english version of prof Sahib singh's Translation.Further pardon for the gurmukhi version not being in gurmukhi script.This is my handicap.I do not know how to get prof Sahib's work in Gurmukhi font on Net.

I Hope & plan to translate this in due course.

Shabads from SGGS refered to & misqouated in suport of yoga & glorification of 3HO in the article is unfortunate,considered to be outright MANMAT & call for unconditional rejection by all. Detailed account of the issue, just for one shabad by Prof Sahib Singh, should leave no doubt with reference to status of Yoga in Sikhism.

Maan Yog Gurujot Singh Khalsa Ji, let us all strive & resolve to rise from the level of Manmukhs(self Willed.) to-> Sikhs(Students of Shabad Guru & not of Yoga)to-> Gursikhs(Skilled Sikhs of Shabad Guru) to ->Gur Mukhs(Super Skilled Sikhs of Shabad Guru so as to able to Share Shabad GURU with Humanity)to-> Khalsa(Saint-Soldiers of TRUTH)->to TRUTH.

May the fate of the article find it's due place.Over to Prof Sahib Singh.....

rwg mwrU bwxI jYdyau jIau kI <> siqgur pRswid ] cMd sq ByidAw, nwd sq pUirAw, sUr sq KoVsw dqu kIAw ] Abl blu qoiVAw, Acl clu QipAw, AGVu GiVAw, qhw Aipau pIAw ]1] mn, Awid gux Awid vKwixAw ] qyrI duibDw idRsit sMmwinAw ]1] rhwau ] AriD kau AriDAw, sriD kau sriDAw, sll kau slil sMmwin AwieAw ] bdiq jYdyau jYdyv kau rMimAw, bRhmu inrbwxu ilvlIxu pwieAw ]2]1] {pMnw 1106} pd ArQ :—cMd—cMd®mw nwVI, "som sr", K`bI nws dI nwVI [ sq—{Skt. søv , s`qÝ} pRwx [ ByidAw—ivMnH ilAw, cwVH ley (pRwx) [ nwd—suKmnw [ pUirAw—(pRwx) rok ley [ sUr—s`jI sur [ KoVsw—solW vwrI (EN AwK ky) [ dqu kIqw—(pRwx bwhr) k`Fy [ Abl blu—(ivkwrW ivc pYx krky) kmzor mn dw (ivSy ivkwrW qy duibDw idRStI vwlw) bl [ Acl—AmoV [ clu—cMcl suBwau [ Acl clu—AmoV mn dw suBwau [ QipAw—rok ilAw [ AGVu—A`lHV mn [ Aipau—AMimRq [1[ mn—hy mn ! Awid gux—Awid pRBU dy gux, jgq dy mUl pRBU dy gux [ Awid—Awidk [ duibDw id®sit—myr-qyr vwlI nzr, ivqkry vwlw suBwau [ sMmwinAw—p`Drw ho jWdw hY [1[rhwau[ AriD—ArwDx-jog pRBU [ sriD—srDw r`Kx jog [ sll—pwxI [ bdiq—AwKdw hY [ jYdyv—prmwqmw, auh dyv ijs dI sdw jY huMdI hY [ rMimAw—ismirAW [ inrbwxu—vwSnw rihq [ ilvlIxu—Awpxy Awp ivc msq pRBU [2[ not :—ies Sbd nwl rlw ky hyT-iliKAw Sbd gurU nwnk dyv jI dw pVHo [ ieh BI mwrU rwg ivc hI hY :— mwrU mhlw 1 ] sUr sru sois lY, som sru poiK lY, jugiq kir mrqu, su snbMDu kIjY ] mIn kI cpl isau jugiq mnu rwKIAY, aufY nh hMsu, nh kMDu CIjY ]1] mUVy kwiecy Brim Bulw ] nh cIinAw prmwnµdu bYrwgI ]1] rhwau ] Ajr ghu jwir lY, Amr ghu mwir lY, BRwiq qij Coif, qau Aipau pIjY ] mIn kI cpl isau jugiq mnu rwKIAY, aufY nh hMsu, nh kMDu CIjY ]2] Bxiq nwnku jno, rvY jy hir mno, mn pvn isau AMimRqu pIjY ] mIn kI cpl isau jugiq mnu rwKIAY, aufY nh hMsu, nh kMDu CIjY ]3]9] {pMnw 992} dovyN Sbd mwrU rwg ivc hn; dohW dy CMd dI cwl ieko ijhI hY; keI l&z sWJy hn, ijvyN ‘sUr, cMd (som), Aipau’ [ "duibDw id®sit" dy twkry qy "mIn kI cpl isau mnu" hY [ jYdyv jI dy Sbd ivc is&iq-swlwh krn dy lwB d`sy hn, gurU nwnk dyv jI ny is&iq-swlwh krn dI ‘jugiq’ BI d`sI hY [ jYdyv jI mn ƒ sMboDn kr ky AwKdy hn ik jy qUM is&iq-swlwh kryN qW qyrI cMclqw dUr ho jwiegI, siqgurU jI jIv ƒ aupdyS krdy hn ik is&iq-swlwh dI ‘jugiq’ vriqAW mn dI cMclqw imt jWdI hY [ ijauN ijauN iehnW dohW SbdW ƒ ghu nwl rlw ky pVHIey, fUMGI sWJ id`sdI hY, qy, ies nqIjy auqy ApVnoN rih nhIN skIdw ik Awpxw ieh Sbd aucwrn vyly gurU nwnk dyv jI dy swhmxy Bgq jYdyv jI dw Sbd mOjUd sI [ ieh ieqnI fUMGI sWJ sbb nwl nhIN ho geI [ gurU nwnk dyv jI pihlI audwsI ivc ihMdU qIrQW qy huMdy hoey bMgwl ivc BI A`pVy sn [ Bgq jYdyv jI bMgwl dy rihx vwly sn [ aus dI soBw (jo zrUr aus dys ivc iKlrI hoeI hovygI) sux ky aus dI sMqwn pwsoN jW Bgq jI dy SrDwlUAW pwsoN ieh Sbd ilAw hovygw [ ArQ :—hy mn ! jgq dy mUl-pRBU dI is&iq-swlwh kIiqAW qyrw ivqkry vwlw suBwau p`Drw ho igAw hY [1[rhwau[ (is&iq-swlwh dI brkiq nwl hI) K`bI sur ivc pRwx cVH BI gey hn, suKmnw ivc Atkwey BI gey hn, qy s`jI sur rsqy solW vwrI ‘EN’ AwK ky (auqr) BI Awey hn (Bwv, pRwxwXwm dw swrw au~dm is&iq-swlwh ivc hI Aw igAw hY, is&iq-swlwh dy twkry qy pRwx cwVHn, itkwx Aqy auqwrn vwly swDn pRwxwXwm dI loV hI nhIN rih geI) [ (ies is&iq-swlwh dw sdkw) (ivkwrW ivc pYx krky) kmzor (hoey) mn dw (‘duibDw id®sit’ vwlw) bl tu`t igAw hY, AmoV mn dw cMcl suBwau ruk igAw hY, ieh AlHV mn hux sohxI GwVq vwlw ho igAw hY, ieQy A`pV ky ies ny nwm-AMimRq pI ilAw hY [1[ jYdyau AwKdw hY—jy AwrwDx-jog pRBU dI AwrwDnw krIey, jy srDw-jog pRBU ivc isdk DwrIey, qW aus nwl iek-rUp ho jweIdw hY, ijvyN pwxI nwl pwxI [ jydYv-pRBU dw ismrn kIiqAW auh vwSnW-rihq by-prvwh pRBU iml pYNdw hY [2[1[ not :—Bgq-bwxI dw ivroDI vIr Bgq jYdyv jI bwry ieauN ilKdw hY—"Bgq jYdyv jI bMgwl ielwky AMdr ipMf kyNdrI (prgnw bIrbwn) dy rihx vwly jnm dy knOjIey bRwhmx sn [ sMsik®q dy cMgy ivdvwn qy kvISr sn [ vYsy igRhsqI sn, jo supqnI smyq swDU ibrqI AMdr rhy [ Awp jI dI hoNd igAwrvIN bwrHvIN sdI ibk®mI dy ivckwr hoxI d`sI jWdI hY [ Awp AMqm dmW qIkr gMgw dy pujwrI rhy, Aqy p`ky bRwhmx sn [ jgn nwQ dy mMdr ivc iehnW dy rcy gMRQ "gIq goibMd" dy Bjn gwey jWdy hn [ "mOjUdw Cwpy dI bIV ivc Awp jI dy nwm pr kyvl do Sbd hn, iek mwrU rwg AMdr, dUsrw gUjrI rwg ivc; pr iehnW dohW SbdW dw is`DWq gurmiq nwl iblkul nhIN imldw, dovyN Sbd ivSƒ BgqI Aqy jog-A`iBAws ƒ idRVwauNdy hn [" ies qoN AgWh Bgq jI dw mwrU rwg vwlw aupr iliKAw Sbd dy ky swfw vIr ilKdw hY—"aukqu Sbd hT-Xog krmW dw aupdyS hY [ iesy gUjrI rwg AMdr "prmwid purK mnopmM" vwly Sbd AMdr ivSƒ-BgqI dw aupdyS hY [ dovyN Sbd gurmiq-is`DWq dy auky ault hn [... gurbwxI ivKy Bgq jYdyv jI dy isDWqW dw zordwr KMfx imldw hY [" swfy vIr ny hT-jog Awidk dw KMfx krn vwsqy iek do Sbd pRmwx vjoN BI id`qy hn [ AwE, hux ivcwr krIey [ swfw vIr Bgq-bwxI bwry sdw ieh p`K lYNdw hY ik (1) Bgq-bwxI dw AwSw gurbwxI dy AwSy dy ault hY [ ies Sbd bwry BI iehI ikhw igAw hY ik ieh Sbd hT-jog idRVwauNdw hY qy gurmiq hT-jog dw KMfx krdI hY [ (2) BgqW dy keI SbdW ivc siqgurU jI dy keI SbdW nwl sWJy l&z qy i^Awl ies vwsqy imldy hn ik BgqW dy pMjwb-vwsI SrDwlUAW ny BgqW dy SbdW dw pMjwbI ivc aulQw krn vyly ieh l&z gurbwxI ivcoN suqy hI pw ley sn [ AsI jYdyv jI dy ies Sbd dy nwl iesy hI rwg ivcoN sRI gurU nwnk dyv jI dw BI iek Sbd pwTkW dy pyS kr cuky hW [ iehnW dohW SbdW ivc keI l&z qy i^Awl sWJy hn; ijvyN ik— jYdyv jI gurU nwnk dyv jI 1. cMd squ — som sru 2. sUr squ — sUr sru 3. clu — cpl 4. Aipau pIAw — Aipau pIjY 5. mn — mnu 6. duibDw id®sit — (rhwau dIAW qukW) — Brim Bulw 7. Acl clu QipAw — aufY nih hMsu 8. Awid gux Awid vKwixAw — rvY jy hir mno hux jy isr& iehnW ‘cMd, sUr, KoVsw’ Awidk l&zW qoN hI ieh imQ lYxw hY ik Bgq jI dw ieh Sbd hT-jog krmW dw aupdyS krdw hY, qW iehI i^Awl gurU nwnk swihb dy Sbd bwry BI imQxw peygw [ rqw iPr iDAwn nwl pVHo, "sUr sur sois lY, som sru poiK lY, jugiq kir mrqu" [ siqgurU jI ny qW sw& l&z "mrqu" BI vrq id`qw hY, ijs dw ArQ hY ‘pRwx, hvw’, ijs qoN AM\wx mnu`K ‘pRwxwXwm’ dw Bwv k`F leygw [ pr inry iehnW l&zW dy Awsry jy koeI is`K ieh smJ ley ik ies Sbd ivc siqgurU nwnk dyv jI ny pRwxwXwm dI vifAweI kIqI hY, qW aus dI ieh BwrI Bu`l hovygI [ swfy vIr ny Bgq jYdyv jI ƒ hT-jog dw aupdySk swbq krn leI Bgq jI dw isr& iehI Sbd pyS kIqw hY, ijs dy do cwr l&zW ƒ EprI ingwhy vyK ky AM\wx is`K tplw Kw sky [ jy auh vIr Bgq jI dw dUjw Sbd BI ghu nwl pVH lYNdw, qW Swied auh Awp BI ies tply qoN bc jWdw [ hT-jog dw pRcwrk hox dy QW aus Sbd ivc jYdyv jI qp Aqy jog ƒ sw& l&zW ivc ivArQ AwKdy hn [ vyKo ilKdy hn :— "hir Bgq inj inhkyvlw, ird krmxw bcsw ] jogyn ikM, jgyn ikM, dwnyn ikM, qpsw ]4] Bwv :—prmwqmw dy ipAwry Bgq mn bcn Aqy krm vloN pUrn qOr qy pivq® huMdy hn (Bwv, BgqW dw mn pivq®, bol pivq® Aqy kMm BI pivq® hMudy hn) [ auhnW ƒ jog nwl kIh vwsqw ? auhnW ƒ j`g nwl kIh pRXojn ? auhnW ƒ dwn Aqy qp nwl kIh ? (Bwv, Bgq jwxdy hn ik jog-swDn, j`g, dwn Aqy qp krn qoN koeI Awqmk lwB nhIN ho skdw, pRBU dI BgqI hI Asl krxI hY) [ swfw vIr jYdyv jI dy do cwr l&zW qoN tplw Kw igAw hY [ jy swry Sbd dy ArQ ƒ ghu nwl smJx dI koSS krdw, qW ieh aukweI nwh l`gdI [ pwTk s`jx ‘rhwau’ dI quk dy l&z ‘vKwixAw’ qoN SurU kr ky pihly ‘bMd’ dy l&z ‘ByidAw’ ‘pUrIAw’ Awidk qk A`pV ky ArQ krn—hy mn ! Awid (pRBU) dy gux Awid vKwixAW (Bwv, pRBU dI is&iq-swlwh kIiqAW) K`bI sur ivc pRwx BI gey hn,... s`jI sur rsqy solW vwrI ‘EN’ AwK ky auqr BI Awey hn (Bwv, pRwxwXwm dw swrw hI au~dm is&iq-swlwh ivc hI Aw igAw hY, ArQwq, pRwxwXwm dw au~dm ivArQ hY) [ ieQy pwTkW dI shUlq vwsqy siqgurU nwnk dyv jI dy au~pr-ilKy Sbd dw ArQ dyxw BI zrUrI jwpdw hY [ sUr sru sois lY—sUrj (dI qpS) dy srovr ƒ sukw dyh, qmo-guxI suBwau ƒ sukw dyh, (sUrj dI nwVI ƒ sukw dyh, ieh hY s`jI sur dI rwhIN pRwx auqwrny) [ som sru poiK lY—cMd®mw dI (sIqlqw) dy srovr ƒ qkVw kr, SWq-suBwv, sIqlqw ƒ qkVw kr, (cMdRmw dI nwVI ƒ qkVw kr, ieh hY K`bI sur dI rwhIN pRwx cwVHny) [ jugiq kir mrqu—sohxI jIvn-jugiq ƒ pRwxW dw itkwauxw bxw (izMdgI ƒ sohxI jugiq ivc r`Kxw hI pRwxW ƒ suKmnw nwVI ivc itkwxw hY [ su snbMDu kIjY—swrw ieho ijhw hI myl imlwau [ mIn kI cpl isau jugiq mnu rwKIAY—ies jugiq nwl mIn dI cpl vwlw mn r`iKAw jw skdw hY, ies jugiq nwl m`CI dI cMclqw vwlw mn sWiBAw jw skdw hY [ aufY nh hMsu—mn (ivkwrW vl) dOVdw nhIN [ nh kMDu CIjY—srIr BI (ivkwrW ivc) Kicq nhIN huMdw [ Bgq jYdyv jI dy dUjy Sbd dw hvwlw dy ky swfw vIr AwKdw hY ik aus Sbd ivc ivSƒ-BgqI dw aupdyS hY [ ieQy aus Sbd dw swrw ArQ dyx nwl qW lyK bhuq hI lMmw ho jwiegw; isr& ‘rhwau’ dI quk pyS kIqI jWdI hY, ikauNik iehI quk swry Sbd dw kyNdr hoieAw krdI hY [ jYdyv jI ilKdy hn :— "kyvl rwm nwm mnormM ] bid AMimRq qq mieAM ] n dnoiq jsmrxyn, jnm jrwiD mrx BieAM ]1]rhwau] Bwv :—(hy BweI !) kyvl prmwqmw dw suMdr nwm ismr, jo AMimRq-BrpUr hY, jo AslIAq-rUp hY, Aqy ijs dy ismrn nwl jnm-mrn, buFypw, icMqw-i&kr Aqy mOq dw fr du`K nhIN dyNdw [ pqw nhIN, swfy vIr ƒ ieQy iknHW l&zW ivc ivSƒ-BgqI id`s rhI hY [ WJKKWJKF <html>

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rwgu mwrU bwxI jYdyau jIau kI	Raag Maaroo, The Word Of Jai Dayv Jee:
<> siqgur pRswid ]	One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
cMd sq ByidAw nwd sq pUirAw sUr sq KoVsw dqu kIAw ]	The breath is drawn in through the left nostril; it is held in the central channel of the Sushmanaa, and exhaled through the right nostril, repeating the Lord's Name sixteen times.
Abl blu qoiVAw Acl clu QipAw AGVu GiVAw qhw Aipau pIAw ]1]	I am powerless; my power has been broken. My unstable mind has been stabliized, and my unadorned soul has been adorned. I drink in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||1||
mn Awid gux Awid vKwixAw ]	Within my mind, I chant the Name of the Primal Lord God, the Source of virtue.
qyrI duibDw idRsit sMmwinAw ]1] rhwau ]	My vision, that You are I are separate, has melted away. ||1||Pause||
AriD kau AriDAw sriD kau sriDAw sll kau slil sMmwin AwieAw ]	I worship the One who is worthy of being worshipped. I trust the One who is worthy of being trusted. Like water merging in water, I merge in the Lord.
bdiq jYdyau jYdyv kau rMimAw bRhmu inrbwxu ilv lIxu pwieAw ]2]1]	Says Jai Dayv, I meditate and contemplate the Luminous, Triumphant Lord. I am lovingly absorbed in the Nirvaanaa of God. ||2||1||

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