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Dera Saccha sauda has done null work their all work all preaching goes to hell. Jo wee sikhyaa prachaar kar rehaa see dera oh sab paani ch chala gea. Ram rahim tae kinnae case pehlan hoyae pae tae inc. rape and sex scandal too.
According to the Dera Sacha Sauda website, the organisation is not a religion, a caste, an organisation, a party or a name of any building. Then one wonders what it is? The site goes on to say that the meaning of Sacha Sauda is "to truly meditate on the name of the Allah, Ram, God (various names given to that soul power by various religions) without interfering in anyones religion or caste".  


Babe nae galat kam kitta. kehnday jad giddar dee maut aaundee hai taan oh sher wal nu bhajdaa aa same gal ho rahee hai lagdaa hoon nahin bachdaa ram rahim. Sikhism preaching wich SGPC nae koi khasa yogdaan nahin ditta taani ehoo jehe dere upjey han
It is no surprise that they have borrowed the name of one of Guru Nanak's important event in his early life to confuse and mislead the masses. Why choose the name of an important Sikh historical shrine and event to give to a non-Sikh organisation.  
[[user:thegreateditor]]


The site makes many promises by posing questions like: Do you want spiritual peace? Do you wish physical, mental peace and happiness? etc and then saying that this can all be achieved by "...the wealth of NAAM (holy word) from a perfect Master Saint and follow it thoroughly"


Sahee gal hai Ram rahim dee maut aa gaee aa. Guru tae ungal chakdae nae. Oyae ustaad tain Muqabla wekhyaa NDTV tae kimey gand paya taa aditya insaa nae comparison kar rehaa taa guru naal oh doven sardar baiaan nae chup kara taa but kai ques onae wee wadiyaa boley tae. But everything fail jinnu chot wajdee ae pata onnu lagdaa baaki sab aimey ee aa
Our Guru tells us:
{{Tuk|376|17294|ਭਗਤਿ ਭੰਡਾਰ ਗ੝ਰਬਾਣੀ ਲਾਲ ॥ ਗਾਵਤ ਸ੝ਨਤ ਕਮਾਵਤ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥੨॥
|Bẖagaṯ bẖandĝr gurbĝṇī lĝl. Gĝvaṯ sunaṯ kamĝvaṯ nihĝl. ॥2॥
|Gurbani is the jewel, the treasure of devotion. Singing, hearing and acting upon it, one is enraptured. ॥2॥}}


Eh gal wee boli thee kae sgpc sikhism nu wadhawa nahin dindi jiven christian waley preach kardey han and they were absolutly rite i want that sgpc nu sikhism daa waadha klarnaa chahidaa taan ke eh sects and cults punjab ch ghato ghat khatam ho jaan.
==Background==


Bai satt taan lagdee jinna marzee waal kat lave ek singh but kisee dee pagg thaley girey taan money singh wee nahin hatdey. Well jae mutia jee comment dengae then gurbaani nazar aaugee. u know that lets see ona da kee khena. mainu mutiaa jee dae khilaf wee complaints han dassongaa fr kade jae miley hor kee kardaa..................'''LUCKY'''
Although they don't call themselves an organisation, it is clearly that they are an organisation with their head-quarters in Sirsa, [[Haryana]], [[India]] - 125055. They use the basis of Sikhism to promote their anti-Sikhi message. Words like [[Naam]], [[Hukamnama]], [[Shabd]] are used to maintain a connection with Sikhi philosophy and with the masses. They also use the quotes from [[Gurbani]] to gain support among the popular mass of the public.  


==In the News==


Aho main wekhyaa aaj raat 10 wajey fir repeat hona. Online hain yahoo tae aa [[user:thegreateditor]]
=== Indian Express===
* [http://www.indianexpress.com/story/31058.html From indianexpress.com] BATHINDA, MAY 15:
After two days of violence in several Punjab towns and in Rajasthan between the followers of Dera Sacha Sauda and Sikh organisations over a controversial advertisement featuring sect head Baba Gurmeet Singh Ram Raheem, his followers called off their protest late today after the authorities assured action would be taken against those who burnt the chief’s effigy.


While Dera followers slowly withdrew from the flashpoint, Bathinda, tension gripped Amritsar, Patiala, Jalandhar and several other cities in the Malwa heartland as Sikh activists took out protest march against the ad showing Gurmeet Singh stirring “amrit” in flowing robes — an image many Sikhs said was a copy of Guru Gobind Singh’s.


Hor weeron ustaad jee kee haal ae hor lucky kaim aa. Akal takht daa faislaa aaya jae kae 27 tak dere band kar do baaki dere walean nu wekhdae bai kee action lainde inna da shodh hee hou lagdaa. Eh maafi mangu gaa eda budaa wee mangu gaa. Khalse naal jedaa wee pangae lainda rehaa oda haal taan pata jae kee hoya. Indra, yahia, zakriya, even oh angrej lok, tae hor bathere. Rabb ram rahim nu budhee dave samat bakhdshey sorry kehan dee himmat bakhshey oda bhala hovey oh hee shanti leaa sakdaa. Ohde labaz yaa odhee maut baaki rabb rakha [[user:paapi]]
At least 50 people, mostly policemen, were injured in Punjab and in Sriganganagar.
 
Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal held a ministers’ meeting to end the spreading violence, which many here are likening to the Akali-Nirankari clash of the late ‘70s. “Nothing should be done to hurt the religious sentiments of anyone,” Badal said, pleading for calm.
 
Badal is having a hard time balancing inflamed passions on either side. Members of Sikh seminary Damdami Taksal threatened to take matters into their hands while other Akali leaders pointed a finger at the Congress.
 
The Punjab Congress, which won 37 of its 65 seats in Malwa belt, partly due to Dera support, called the violence a breakdown of law and order. State leader Rajinder Kaur Bhattal said Dera chief could have been misrepresented in the advertisement.
 
Dera Sacha Sauda: From Sirsa to 11 states
 
* Sirsa-based, organisation was founded in 1948. Followers are called ‘premis’, address Dera chief as His Holiness Huzoor Maharaj Sant Gurmeet Ram Raheem Singh Ji
 
* Told to shun religious differences, they believe he was ‘incarnated’ on August 15, 1967
 
* Dera has 36 branches in 11 states
 
* Dera chief is an accused in the murder of Ram Chandra Chhatrapati, editor of Sirsa eveninger Poora Sach which reported on alleged sexual exploitation of women followers. Case with CBI, Dera chief yet to make a statement
 
* Dera followers run into lakhs in Malwa belt of Punjab. During Assembly polls, Dera political wing asked followers to back Congress which won 37 of 65 seats in Malwa belt, considered an Akali stronghold
 
===Express India ===
[http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=237143 Security stepped up before decision by Sikh high priests] Aman Sood Patiala, May 19:
 
Adequate forces have been pressed into service in various villages to check the movement of villagers in the city or in areas with presence of Dera followers, following the pending decision of the Sikh high priests on Sunday evening.
 
The villages along the belt of Bathinda, Patiala, Sangrur, Fatehgarh Sahib and Sirhind would be under scanner for the next 48 hours and exit and entry points would be sealed from Sunday. Various meetings in the villages and reports with the policemen suggest that various organisations are planning processions from Sunday to protest against Dera Sacha Sauda.
 
 
The prevailing peace in the state, following the alleged aping of Guru Gobind Singh controversy surrounding Dera Sacha Sauda and Sikh followers, could spark a fresh row for the Administration, following decisions by Sikh organisations to hold processions in various parts of the state.
 
Top brass police officials claimed that they are planning not only to seal off volatile areas, but also to limit the processions from Sunday morning. “If one section takes out a procession, the others would follow. Even a stray incident could turn into a fireball and destroy the atmosphere in the entire country,” said a senior police official. Security has been beefed up further in areas that could witness such processions from Sunday.
 
“We have decided to take out processions and prove our point that the Dera chief should unconditionally apologise to the entire Sikh community,” said Harddit Singh, who took part in of the processions in Patiala today. Sources said that small-time Sikh organisations in various villages are planning to hold protest rallies against the Dera Sacha Sauda sect. Following intelligence reports, the police has started to identify areas where the processions could turn violent. Patiala Zone IG M K Tiwari has passed special instructions in this regard.
 
===ndtv.com ===
[http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20070012712 The growth of the Dera Sacha Sauda] Randeep Singh Nandal Sunday, May 20, 2007 (Sirsa)
 
In the heat and chaos of Sirsa, an oasis of orderliness, lies the headquarters of the Sacha Sauda sect, where thousands gather everyday to hear the gospel from their spiritual leader.
 
Spread over 700 acres, it is a mini township with its own farmland, workshops, hospitals, schools, colleges, etc.
 
In fact, their printing press churns out 2,00,000 copies of the Dera's newspaper everyday, which is a proper 10 page full colour newspaper.
 
But all this development has taken place only after Baba Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh took over as the leader of the sect in 1990 - from a base of a few acres to hundreds of acres; from a following of a few lakh to a couple of crore; from a few centres in the north to several more reaching Madhya Pradesh too.
 
The baba lives in an 18-acre stronghold within the mini-township. When he emerges, he moves around in regal style surrounded by his bodyguards.
 
''I've never spoken to him. But when we see him, we get shakti with us,'' said a follower.
 
Controversial past
 
But if the Dera has grown, so has the number of controversies.
 
In 2001, Rajinder, a follower, fell-out with the leader and sometime later he was murdered at his hometown in Kurukshetra. Two Dera members are accused in this murder case.
 
Then a year later, Ram Chander Chatrapati, a local journalist, printed a letter that had allegations of sexual abuse by an anonymous woman against the Dera chief.
 
Chatrapati was shot dead at his home. Three Dera followers were arrested in the case, two of which were held at the murder site.
 
''The people from the Dera had threatened my father and then one day he was shot dead,'' said Anshul, Son of Ram Chander Chatrapati.
 
Now all these cases are being investigated by the CBI .
 
''We've said everything we had to and we won't say anything now,'' said Dr Aditya Arora, Spokesman, Dera Sacha Sauda.
 
Controversies notwithstanding, the baba's clout has grown.
 
The Dera's appeal is to largely to the marginalized and backward sections the Dalits - a potent political force which the Dera chief successfully tested in February.
 
In the Punjab elections in 2007, he asked his followers to vote for the Congress, something that helped the party improve its tally in the southern area known as Malwa.
 
The Dera chief's son is married to the daughter of a Congress MLA. But it's not clear whether the chief will be playing a more prominent role.
 
For now, peace-negotiators have told him to lie low.
 
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Revision as of 15:03, 20 May 2007

According to the Dera Sacha Sauda website, the organisation is not a religion, a caste, an organisation, a party or a name of any building. Then one wonders what it is? The site goes on to say that the meaning of Sacha Sauda is "to truly meditate on the name of the Allah, Ram, God (various names given to that soul power by various religions) without interfering in anyones religion or caste".

It is no surprise that they have borrowed the name of one of Guru Nanak's important event in his early life to confuse and mislead the masses. Why choose the name of an important Sikh historical shrine and event to give to a non-Sikh organisation.

The site makes many promises by posing questions like: Do you want spiritual peace? Do you wish physical, mental peace and happiness? etc and then saying that this can all be achieved by "...the wealth of NAAM (holy word) from a perfect Master Saint and follow it thoroughly"

Our Guru tells us:

ਭਗਤਿ ਭੰਡਾਰ ਗ੝ਰਬਾਣੀ ਲਾਲ ॥ ਗਾਵਤ ਸ੝ਨਤ ਕਮਾਵਤ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥੨॥
Bẖagaṯ bẖandĝr gurbĝṇī lĝl. Gĝvaṯ sunaṯ kamĝvaṯ nihĝl. ॥2॥
Gurbani is the jewel, the treasure of devotion. Singing, hearing and acting upon it, one is enraptured. ॥2॥

Background

Although they don't call themselves an organisation, it is clearly that they are an organisation with their head-quarters in Sirsa, Haryana, India - 125055. They use the basis of Sikhism to promote their anti-Sikhi message. Words like Naam, Hukamnama, Shabd are used to maintain a connection with Sikhi philosophy and with the masses. They also use the quotes from Gurbani to gain support among the popular mass of the public.

In the News

Indian Express

After two days of violence in several Punjab towns and in Rajasthan between the followers of Dera Sacha Sauda and Sikh organisations over a controversial advertisement featuring sect head Baba Gurmeet Singh Ram Raheem, his followers called off their protest late today after the authorities assured action would be taken against those who burnt the chief’s effigy.

While Dera followers slowly withdrew from the flashpoint, Bathinda, tension gripped Amritsar, Patiala, Jalandhar and several other cities in the Malwa heartland as Sikh activists took out protest march against the ad showing Gurmeet Singh stirring “amrit” in flowing robes — an image many Sikhs said was a copy of Guru Gobind Singh’s.

At least 50 people, mostly policemen, were injured in Punjab and in Sriganganagar.

Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal held a ministers’ meeting to end the spreading violence, which many here are likening to the Akali-Nirankari clash of the late ‘70s. “Nothing should be done to hurt the religious sentiments of anyone,” Badal said, pleading for calm.

Badal is having a hard time balancing inflamed passions on either side. Members of Sikh seminary Damdami Taksal threatened to take matters into their hands while other Akali leaders pointed a finger at the Congress.

The Punjab Congress, which won 37 of its 65 seats in Malwa belt, partly due to Dera support, called the violence a breakdown of law and order. State leader Rajinder Kaur Bhattal said Dera chief could have been misrepresented in the advertisement.

Dera Sacha Sauda: From Sirsa to 11 states

  • Sirsa-based, organisation was founded in 1948. Followers are called ‘premis’, address Dera chief as His Holiness Huzoor Maharaj Sant Gurmeet Ram Raheem Singh Ji
  • Told to shun religious differences, they believe he was ‘incarnated’ on August 15, 1967
  • Dera has 36 branches in 11 states
  • Dera chief is an accused in the murder of Ram Chandra Chhatrapati, editor of Sirsa eveninger Poora Sach which reported on alleged sexual exploitation of women followers. Case with CBI, Dera chief yet to make a statement
  • Dera followers run into lakhs in Malwa belt of Punjab. During Assembly polls, Dera political wing asked followers to back Congress which won 37 of 65 seats in Malwa belt, considered an Akali stronghold

Express India

Security stepped up before decision by Sikh high priests Aman Sood Patiala, May 19:

Adequate forces have been pressed into service in various villages to check the movement of villagers in the city or in areas with presence of Dera followers, following the pending decision of the Sikh high priests on Sunday evening.

The villages along the belt of Bathinda, Patiala, Sangrur, Fatehgarh Sahib and Sirhind would be under scanner for the next 48 hours and exit and entry points would be sealed from Sunday. Various meetings in the villages and reports with the policemen suggest that various organisations are planning processions from Sunday to protest against Dera Sacha Sauda.


The prevailing peace in the state, following the alleged aping of Guru Gobind Singh controversy surrounding Dera Sacha Sauda and Sikh followers, could spark a fresh row for the Administration, following decisions by Sikh organisations to hold processions in various parts of the state.

Top brass police officials claimed that they are planning not only to seal off volatile areas, but also to limit the processions from Sunday morning. “If one section takes out a procession, the others would follow. Even a stray incident could turn into a fireball and destroy the atmosphere in the entire country,” said a senior police official. Security has been beefed up further in areas that could witness such processions from Sunday.

“We have decided to take out processions and prove our point that the Dera chief should unconditionally apologise to the entire Sikh community,” said Harddit Singh, who took part in of the processions in Patiala today. Sources said that small-time Sikh organisations in various villages are planning to hold protest rallies against the Dera Sacha Sauda sect. Following intelligence reports, the police has started to identify areas where the processions could turn violent. Patiala Zone IG M K Tiwari has passed special instructions in this regard.

ndtv.com

The growth of the Dera Sacha Sauda Randeep Singh Nandal Sunday, May 20, 2007 (Sirsa)

In the heat and chaos of Sirsa, an oasis of orderliness, lies the headquarters of the Sacha Sauda sect, where thousands gather everyday to hear the gospel from their spiritual leader.

Spread over 700 acres, it is a mini township with its own farmland, workshops, hospitals, schools, colleges, etc.

In fact, their printing press churns out 2,00,000 copies of the Dera's newspaper everyday, which is a proper 10 page full colour newspaper.

But all this development has taken place only after Baba Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh took over as the leader of the sect in 1990 - from a base of a few acres to hundreds of acres; from a following of a few lakh to a couple of crore; from a few centres in the north to several more reaching Madhya Pradesh too.

The baba lives in an 18-acre stronghold within the mini-township. When he emerges, he moves around in regal style surrounded by his bodyguards.

I've never spoken to him. But when we see him, we get shakti with us, said a follower.

Controversial past

But if the Dera has grown, so has the number of controversies.

In 2001, Rajinder, a follower, fell-out with the leader and sometime later he was murdered at his hometown in Kurukshetra. Two Dera members are accused in this murder case.

Then a year later, Ram Chander Chatrapati, a local journalist, printed a letter that had allegations of sexual abuse by an anonymous woman against the Dera chief.

Chatrapati was shot dead at his home. Three Dera followers were arrested in the case, two of which were held at the murder site.

The people from the Dera had threatened my father and then one day he was shot dead, said Anshul, Son of Ram Chander Chatrapati.

Now all these cases are being investigated by the CBI .

We've said everything we had to and we won't say anything now, said Dr Aditya Arora, Spokesman, Dera Sacha Sauda.

Controversies notwithstanding, the baba's clout has grown.

The Dera's appeal is to largely to the marginalized and backward sections the Dalits - a potent political force which the Dera chief successfully tested in February.

In the Punjab elections in 2007, he asked his followers to vote for the Congress, something that helped the party improve its tally in the southern area known as Malwa.

The Dera chief's son is married to the daughter of a Congress MLA. But it's not clear whether the chief will be playing a more prominent role.

For now, peace-negotiators have told him to lie low.