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Previous Definations of Krisna is not acceped in gurmat whose form wpeople have made, but in gurbani it's formless. So Gurbani cuts that philosphy and given spiritual philosphy behind that.

Gurbani have changed the old hindu terminology and gave new and orignal and inner definations of which thourghly explain the spiritual concept. Guru Sahib said:

ਸੋਧੇ ਸਾਸਤ੝ਰ ਸਿਮ੝ਰਿਤਿ ਸਗਲ
purified all Shastras and Simrities

Words such as Ram, Krishna, Gautam, Ahalya, Lanka, Ravana, Indra, Siva, Durga, Chandi etc have meanings which are meanings are extracted from the Guru Granth Sahib's lines and use even the etymology of these words that have no relation with Hindu philosophy

Krishna, in Gurmat

In Gurmat, God is Formless. One of the Sanskrit meanings of the (the word has the same meaning in Panjabi and most of the other languages of India) word krisna is - dark or black in colour. In Gurbani, Mann (one's thoughts or mind) is spoken of as being Black in color, especially if a person does not listen to their own inner soul.

The Dark part of one's soul is referred to as krisna (darkness) and the light part of one's soul is referred to as Rama, each persons soul has two parts KRISHNA and RAMA. Positive is RAMA and Negative is krishna, but if these both two are one then the next step is to get god. First we must work to rid our lives of negativity, living our lives positively, as our RAMA guides us from inside.

Gurbani says there are MANY KRISHNAS and there are MANY RAMAS too.

How in Gurmat Krisna is different as described by Previous religions:

Gurbani Says:

In the above line Guru Sahib (Guru Granth Sahib) clearly says that there are Many Krishnas and Shivas. Now the question is how is krishna many? There was only one krishna define. It means Krishna is not one. The concept is different from hinduism.

In the Tuk (line of Bani) below, Mann (a mind Tangled in Maya) is gets blackened, as it travels through countless incarnations:

ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਕੀ ਇਸ੝ ਮਨ ਕਉ ਮਲ੝ ਲਾਗੀ ਕਾਲਾ ਹੋਆ ਸਿਆਹ੝ ॥
The filth of countless incarnations sticks to this mind; it has become pitch black.

Moreover Mann which is tangled in maya (Attentions) is also compared to a Crow (very black) or a Snake (often black in colour) in gurbani.

Gurbani have some other concepts which do not match with previous one:

To Sikhs, Ram (God, Wahiguru) has never played a flute (as God is formless, but present in all of Creation).

Rama = Inner Soul
Krisna = Soul Tangeled worldly Attachments and vices(it is also called Ravana, Dushashan etc)

When Krishna take away our brain and uses it, then such Matt is called Manmatt because such person is tangle in Vices but when such krishna listen to Shabad Guru(who is called Hanuvant), than slowly it merges in Ram. Once it merges itself in Ram(Positive, Leaving worldly attachments). It is now ready to meet God. So Every krishna(Person) should understand his inner soul first(Ram).

Bal Leela

The Bal Leela (the 'play' of the Hindu God Krishna, while a small child) has no relevance to Gurmat or to Sikhs.

But remembering, the purpose of human life is forgotten by the Mind that is lost in Maya.

siv saktee ghar vaasaa paa-i-aa.

He came to dwell in the home of the Shiva and Shakti, energy and matter.

ayk visaaray taa pirh haaray anDhulai naam visaaraa hay. ||6||

But he forgot the One Lord, and he has lost the game.

The blind person forgets the Naam, the Name of the Lord. ||6||

ਬਾਲਕ੝ ਮਰੈ ਬਾਲਕ ਕੀ ਲੀਲਾ ॥

The child dies in his childish games.

ਕਹਿ ਕਹਿ ਰੋਵਹਿ ਬਾਲ੝ ਰੰਗੀਲਾ ॥ They cry and mourn, saying that he was such a playful child.

ਜਿਸ ਕਾ ਸਾ ਸੋ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਲੀਆ ਭੂਲਾ ਰੋਵਣਹਾਰਾ ਹੇ ॥੭॥

The Lord who owns him has taken him back.

Those who weep and mourn are mistaken. ||7||

here Balak Leela or Bal Leela or Krishna leela is condenmed. Mann (Mind) is like Child, which remains tangled in woldly attachments. When the lord snatches a young child, or an aged person who lives his life seeking the worldly pleasures of a child, their parents, friends and relatives, cry and mourn for the sake of Maya, but one who understands himself, does not cry or mourn for when he meets the True Guru, then he understands.

When one forgets Bal Leela and starts living his live in accordance with God's Hukam one has entered the stage of Ram Leela or Raj Leela.

ਰਾਜ ਲੀਲਾ ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਬਨਾਈ ॥
The pleasures of royalty are derived from Your Name = Hukam.

ਜੋਗ੝ ਬਨਿਆ ਤੇਰਾ ਕੀਰਤਨ੝ ਗਾਈ ॥੧॥
I attain Yoga, singing the Kirtan of Your Praises. ||1||

The above is stage of Bal Leela to Raj Leela

Dasam granth on Krisna

ਕਈ ਰਾਮ ਕ੝ਰਿਸਨ ਰਸੂਲ ॥ ਬਿਨ੝ ਭਗਤ ਕੋ ਨ ਕਬੂਲ ॥੮॥੩੮॥

He hath Created many Ramas, Krishnas and Rasuls (Prophets)

Hindu version claims only one Krishna Gurbani says there are Many

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੝ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਝ ॥
He hath Created millions of Krishnas like worms.

Hindu version never says Krishna a WORm. but Mann(Soul) if tangle in Maya is 
like a worm which forgets the lord i.e Dohagni, Kuchaji

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੝ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਝ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਝ ॥
Somewhere He hath created millions of the servants like Krishna. 
Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama.

Again Hindu Philosphy is totally condenmed in these lines

Krishna Avtar - By Guru Gobind Singh

The Hinduism view of krishna is totally rejected in Gurmat. In Krishna Avtar, Guru Gobind SIngh is exposing Krishna life as described by hindus, so that people could blow away the curtain of darkness from eyes saying that krishna is god, he said in an event where Krishna steal clothes of bathing girls, and when they demand clothes back how LORD krishna replies:

ਕਾਨ੝ਹ ਕਹੀ ਹਸ ਬਾਤ ਤਿਨੈ ਕਹਿ ਹੈ ਹਮ ਜੋ ਤ੝ਮ ਸੋ ਮਨ ਹੋ ॥ 
ਸਭ ਹੀ ਮ੝ਖਿ ਚੂਮਨ ਦੇਹ੝ ਕਹਯੋ ਚ੝ਮ ਹੈ ਹਮ ਹੂੰ ਤ੝ਮਹੂੰ ਗਨਿਹੋ ॥
Krishna said, "See, whatever I shall say now, all of you will have 
to accept that; let me kiss the faces of all; I shall kiss and you count, all of you;

ਅਰ੝ ਤੋਰਨ ਦੋਹ੝ ਕਹਯੋ ਸਭਹੀ ਕ੝ਚ ਨਾ ਤਰ ਹਉ ਤ੝ਮ ਕੌ ਹਨਿਹੋ ॥ 
ਤਬਹੀ ਪਟ ਦੇਉ ਸਭੈ ਤ੝ਮਰੇ ਇਹ ਝੂਠ ਨਹੀ ਸਤ ਕੈ ਜਨਿਹੋ ॥੨੬੬॥
Let me touch the nipple of your breasts, otherwise I shall behave more 
badly with you; I am speaking truth that I shall give you the clothes only 
after doing all this."266. 

This is not attribute of God, this is life of some Lusty man now predict whom Guru Gobind SIngh was saying Madhusudhan and whom Guru Granth Sahib was saying Chakardhar.

Hindu philosphy

Krishna (कृषढ़ण in Devanagari, kṛṣṇa in IAST, is a deity worshipped across many traditions in Hinduism in a variety of perspectives. While many Vaishnava groups recognize Krishna as an avatar of Vishnu, other traditions within Krishnaism consider him to be svayam bhagavan, or the Supreme Being.

The Sanskrit word kṛṣṇa means "black", "dark" or "dark-blue". It is often used as a name to describe someone with dark skin. Krishna is often depicted in murtis (idols) as black, and is generally shown in paintings with a blue skin.

Krishna is often depicted as an infant or young boy playing a flute as in the Bhagavata Purana, or as a youthful prince giving direction and guidance as in the Bhagavad Gita. The stories of Krishna appear across a broad spectrum of Hindu philosophical and theological traditions.

They portray him in various perspectives: a god-child, a prankster, a model lover, a divine hero and the Supreme Being. The principal scriptures discussing Krishna's story are the Mahabharata, the Harivamsa, the Bhagavata Purana and the Vishnu Purana.

• See Wikipedia article on Krishna for more information