External Links on Harjinder Singh Jinda and Sukhdev Singh Sukha
the first external link on this article does not work - Is is possible to fix this please? das, Hari Singh 23:09, 28 March 2008 (MDT)
Hari Singh Ji, Thanks for your message. It appears that the parent site has removed this article, thats why this external link does not work anymore... --Singh6 22:02, 2 April 2008 (MDT)
Welcome and many thanks
The story is well done thanks
Thanks for telling the deeper story
…Kuldeep Keepa conducted the reccee of the office…
Sir ji, your work now lets me know what was going on and why. In the above sentence - reccee - is not understood by me at least, i also wonder about the @ sign in the middle of names. Regards Allenwalla 13:37, 28 April 2008 (MDT)
The only guess i can make is a 'rec see' or reconnoiter as happened at Whitewater apts. which led to Pres. Nixon's resigning. please amend the article to clarify.
- VERB: Inflected forms: re·con·noi·tered, re·con·noi·ter·ing, re·con·noi·ters
- TRANSITIVE VERB: To make a preliminary inspection of, especially in order to gather military information.
same as reconnaissance and scout.
the @ for Alias is new to me here i would say 'aka' - also known as, however that might be in bad taste as it is usually used for someone doing criminal. Our George Washington and founding fathers were like Gandhi and Baghat Singh criminals in British eyes and would have been hung or shot had the British prevailed as they did in India.
When Indira Gandhi was slain, if we thought anything of it, most here thought of her slayers as soldiers who had broken their oaths to protect her. On Operation Blue star it was barely in the news - as terrorists had seized and armed their fellow Sikhs' temple. Reports here generally favored the Indian Government. Might have been a time i wasn't listening to news.
Only a few years back did i read much about the matter, Sunnybondsinghjalwehra's pages seemed to me to be a little unbelievable as they seemed to laud the killing and dying and not include the 'why and what' that drove men to such acts. That the kind of torture and killing long after the 'Sikh Crystal Nacht' rather days, which i don't remember getting much press in the US. (America still knows little of the Partition and the killings in '47, let along anything about or after '84.
Pakistan was our ally not India for the same reason that China, India and Viet Nam became antagonists or enemies - their ties to the USSR and communism. So a lot of news on India was neglected. I hope to write a book one day on India and Asia's contributions to the west our university studies rarely mentioned anything east of Greece, 'Al Sham" and Israel. Ancient China got some notice; maybe things at Harvard or Yale were better.
Boiling people alive, it’s hard to believe any human would be capable of such, yet the Mughals seemed to relish such tortures. Hard to believe it still went on in the 80s or 90s.
Still, as i have read many of the transcripts of what the 2 Sikh Guards who killed Indira Gandhi said and they never mentioned Indira having a plan to kill all the Sikhs and attack Pakistan, only that they went to one's uncle (also sentenced and executed) who told them of Massa Ranghar and his assassins, it is hard for me to believe the recently posted article on Operation Thunder?? - i probably have the incorrect name--. i looked it up on the net, very little, only a Sikh? Site called Sikh lionz? With skulls and flames -- like what i would expect to find on some skinhead neo-Nazi site, the KKK's or the RSS's. Clearly i am ill informed. No serious news or references on the matter save the mention of some author's book exposing the matter. News no one else has?
Will check out the other articles doubt if i could be much help in getting any photos that Sikhs would not have access to. Regards Allenwalla 19:17, 28 April 2008 (MDT)
As i have said before
SSA, i have complimented your work or pages before -- was wondering what had happened to you.
Your page on Gill contains a quote which is not attributed. It needs an author stated.
Lacking that, it looks like it was just made up to get a false perspective across by someone unwilling to stand behind his words. To bad such drivel got quoted.
The writers of this page are right! Whoever said the quote is an idiot, it is, as you say just so much rubbish. Or a crock of…odure, as someone translated Guru Nanak's words concerning the Jains. Probably made up by someone to get his point across, actually the exact opposite is true as defence by force of arms is part and parcel of the laws that assure the Self evident truths that were only made self evident first in the minds of the men who framed the docuement (we call them Patriots--the British called them revolutionaries) and then on a piece of paper called the:
Declaration of Independance:
- We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Americans (liberals and conservatives) know that such freedoms must be defended once established. You can be sure that is what the army is for. keep up the good work. Allenwalla 00:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
SSA,, Thanks, there was an article calling him a war criminal. This article at first seems like praise then reverses direction. Did not know much about the man now l know less. where are you living what country state ect. and how are things going? Take care, richard.
Sounds like the sort of tripe that facist types attribute to anyone with an education. sorry to see some group fall into such a trap.
Good to see your still editing
I made a few corrections to my typos above. What's up these days?
- Hi :), Thanks for the motivation, I have a deep desire to atleast save the history of Sikh freedom struggle. But, at the same time I want to use neutral sources as my references only so that I do not give impression that any information is being exaggerated. I have personally seen various crimes/murders committed by Indian security forces in Punjab. The related news always appeared on The Tribune, one of north-Indian newspapers and Ajit, a regional newspaper of India etc. Since The Tribune (a 125 years old newspaper group) did not have online editions prior to 2001 and Ajit didn’t have any online editions untill very recently, hence it is very tough to document 99% of Indian crimes which it committed on Sikhs. Anyways, I now live in United States of America and I salute the freedom and justice of this great country.--Singh6 09:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Sing6, thanks, does BSII = Jinda was, at the time, a student in his second year of studies for a BA degree? And is Jinda - a nickname or a tribal or village (last) name (i.e. does the word Jinda have a meaning that people in Punjab would understand. I was wondering why one paragraph started with alias. Thanks, Richard
- Jinda or Jindha is a nick name. It does not have any meening. Usually if your name is Harjinder, people start calling you Jind or Jinda. His nick name became very famous, people out there generally recall him as "Jinda" only.--Singh6 17:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes! He was studying in 2nd year of BA degree in Khalsa College Amritsar and he quit it to join this movement.--Singh6 17:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Comments on talk - Jinda page
Adding reasons for my edit, I came across your responses to the questions posed re the article. Will compose some further thoughts if ok, at a later date. thanks Allenwalla 17:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Please --Singh6 17:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks for your detailed reply on Harjinder Singh Jinda
Hi Bhai sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh
Are there any recent revelation of any wrong-doings by the Indian Government in these cases? I know that the government did not do anything to prosecute the leaders in the 84 riots but surely police and governmental activity must have some monitoring and recording internally? In the UK after 25 years and then after 50 years many government papers become public; has anyone looked for these papers or would they be illegally destroyed? Does something like the Freedom of Information Act exist in India? Regards, Hari Singhtalk 02:49, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- Welcome and WJKK WJKF. Are you referring to my detailed reply on Allenwala's talk page] ?
- As far as I am aware, Sikhs are spending years and years to get criminal Indian police officers convicted through the Indian judicial/legal/court system, but! convicted police officers (who commited massive human rights violations) are being pardoned secretely in fractions of seconds and even their promotions are being restored. Basically! India is using all its legal loop-holes to kill the justice and destroy its massive human rights crimes. Grant of justice is extremely rare in Khalistan movement related cases. There are several police officers (e.g. KPS Gill), who can NOT be persecuted, because per Indian constitution, special government permissions are required to persecute such people.
- Regarding Jinda, you had asked me a question in 2008. Kindly see the answers over here. Also! You might notice while going through the article that Jinda did not walk away from the gurus and he did not show his back to the gurus. He was born in North India and a normal student in Amritsar, he had no personal grudges against high profile people which he assassinated in Delhi or southern India. He did not use the looted money for his personal gains. He was actually a hero, who travelled all over India to handover justice to the culprits of Golden Temple complex's destruction, i.e. Operation Blue Star, 1984 Massacre of Sikhs and unending tears of Sikhs.
ssa, how r u. i will do the same today(Lucky 02:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC))