User talk:Jangbeer Singh

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Hello, Sat Sri Akal, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh, Namastae, Salaam, ਜੀ ਆਇਆਂ ਨੂੰ: Jangbeer Singh Ji! A very warm welcome from SikhiWiki and many thanks for your contribution so far to the article Harbinder Singh Rana. I hope you will bookmark this Sikhi website and keep visiting it on a regular basis.

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With Waheguru's kirpa, may you always remain in Chardi kala. Many thanks, Hari Singhtalk, 00:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

VJKKVJKF, Sikhi is about the truth. The truth is this guy has convictions, and you are promoting him.

Bhai Sahib ji, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Many thanks for your changes to the above article; I have had to revert the changes that you made recently as they do not comply with the aims and purposes of this site; Bhai Sahib, this is not a news website. It is a website which promotes Sikhi and Sikhs. I accept that Sikhs do criminal things and that this does not help us or the community generally. However, if you want to read the news and matter of this kind then you would go to a news website or to a newspaper; if you want to learn about Sikhi or know about Sikhs then you would come to Sikhiwiki.

Further, Bhai Sahib, when the issues are over 20 years old, as Sikhs we have a duty to forgive and "move on" especially when the person has reformed; I ask you to recall the sakhi of the "40 mukta" from our history; deserter were forgiven in an instant by Guru Gobind Singh! We have to review our position when a person has reformed and is doing positive work for the community; for a Sikh it is not correct to continue to punish someone for an indefinite period. I do not know Mr Rana but I do not want to engage in "ninda" as the Guru speaks against this practise of 'Ninda. The Sikh need to adhere to Sikhi values and I fear that mentioning issues which are probably near 30 years old does not benefit anyone and creates a unhealthy environment of reform for people who may have made mistakes in the past.

I hope you will accept that this rule applies to every item and article that we carry on this site and that this is the way that this website has progressed in the last 5 years; we are not making an exception in the case of Mr Rana. Bhai sahib, I mean no offence; if this message cause you any bitterness, I apologise to you for that; please feel free to reply to me at my user talk page. Kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 00:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Respected Sir, Welcome to Sikhiwiki, I logged on, this morning,  and saw you had made additions to a page this morning which I found objectionable. My objections were to the way it was done, I don't know enough to know your motives - this looks like slander to me or possibly 'hearsay' - there is courtesy for someone tipping a head or reaching for one's feet and there is worship (as one gives to God, Wahiguru, Allah, ect. Your edit could be read that the Sardar 'forces' people to bow to him as if he was a Guru. Who makes such charges, i.e. who saw this and why in the world does Bibi Kaur's objections matter, please add who she is and supporting references.  It took some search to even find a ref. to her name, and her objections to the 174-year-old historical Wassan Singh Bunga of Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s time at Takht Sri Hazoor Sahib in Nanded being torn dow so a bigger crowd could attend the  “Gurgaddi Divas”,  in 2008.. [1]

going to your page I saw the word Ninda and clicked on the link, as some current ads on tv say - the cost of my time in doing so was priceless.

I add the first two paragraphs below.

Thanks for the difference you made in my life by contributing to my getting around to reading this page - one cannot argue with the wisdom of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

Ninda - slander, slur, backbite or smear

Ninda ( ਨਿੰਦਾ ninḝĝ) or Nindeya are words in Punjabi which mean to slander, slur, backbite or smear and are words used to describe a defamatory or negative statement made about someone. The derogatory account is usually made when the person about whom the venom is being spat is not present or is not within ear-shot of the conversation.

This type of harmful speech (or "Nindeya") is usually carried out to cause harm to the other person, to ruin the other person's reputation or generally to denigrate the other person's status. The main reason and motivation for slandering is that it gives the maker of the slander "satisfaction" as it makes them feel important and they feel they are "better" and more "righteous" than the person being slandered. The Sikh Gurus condemn this action and write against this ugly habit.

ਪਰ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰੇ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਮਲ੝ ਲਾਝ ॥ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਮਲ੝ ਧੋਵੈ ਮਨ ਕੀ ਜੂਠਿ ਨ ਜਾਝ ॥
Par ninḝĝ karė anṯar mal lĝ­ė. Bĝhar mal ḝẖovai man kī jūṯẖ na jĝ­ė.
He slanders others, and pollutes himself with his own filth.

Outwardly, he washes off the filth, but the impurity of his mind does not go away.

By performing Nindeya, one pollutes ones own mind. When a person wants to tell a negative about someone else, it is the motivation that causes harm to the person doing the "nindeya". If you want to tell your friends something negative about another person - stop! Remember, the wise words of the Guru. If you are a Gurmukh move on to something else. Never engage in negative discussions about someone who is not present.

ਨਿੰਦਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਪਚਿ ਮ੝ਆ ਵਿਚਿ ਦੇਹੀ ਭਖੈ ॥
Ninḝĝ karḝĝ pacẖ mu­ĝ vicẖ ḝėhī bẖakẖai.
Slandering others, he wastes away and dies; within his body, he burns.

Your edit to your own page will not, most likely, be noticed by Sardar Hari Singh. Clicking on the word talk, in blue after his name (at end of his message) wil take you to his discussion page. Then click on the plus sign, to the right of the word edit) - this will open a new message box. Then enter a subject/headline and add your message in the big box below. Filling in a subject automatically alerts Hari Singh that he has a new message. There you will see my note (my own bit of Nindeya?) telling him the same about the edit to the page on Bhai Mohinder Singh.

Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 23:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

What happens when one indents

Sardar ji, in my note above i purposely indented the first word - to point out what happens when someone does this, i.e. words run on forever and default to a typewriter font.

Allenwalla 23:39, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but no thanks

Bhai sahib, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

I am appalled by your behaviour here at Sikhiwiki. Not have you upset me but also some of our most respected contributors at this website. The Guru has said, "Truth is high but higher still is truthful living" - Do you understand what this statement means? Are you living truthfully? - or are you just chasing the illusion called "truth"; and whose truth is it - your truth or my truth? It appears that you get kicks by putting negative aspects about anyone who is contributing to Sikhi.

I don't know if that is due to an inherent in-built jealousy that you carry with you or that you get kicks demoting people who are active in promoting Sikhi; Remember, it was you who setup the article on Mr Rana - not us; so please don't push the limit beyond reality! It is not us promoting anyone - it was you who was trying to portray the negative aspect of this person who is contributing positively to Sikhi.

Further, you have today pushed the matter far beyond any limit of reason; you have gone and added negative statements to two of our most respected icons; if you could put a 1000 people together they will not be able to match the positive contribution made by Bhai Mohinder Singh and GNNSJ; both these icons have contribute persistently their time and energy free-of-charge to bring to the world Guru Nanak's message of peace and love; and all you can do is criticise them needlessly! Is that your idea of Sikhi? I am sorry, I strongly disagree and suggest that you find some other platform to spit your poison; we will not tolerate such demeaning behaviour here. Thank you, Hari Singhtalk 00:02, 30 April 2010 (UTC)