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Bharam is huge aspect and ritualism is very small

Bharam is different thing. It is a formless aspect related to soul. It is among inner evil.

Ritualism is a very small aspect of it, we follow many rituals being sikhs too, if we leave rituals then this does not mean we left Bharam

but if you want to redirect it to there It's OK.

Take care (HarpreetSingh 01:22, 21 April 2012 (CDT))

Want to Create an article

May i create an article with topic Guru Gobind Singh Life (As Per Age), where life events are displayed acc. to his age. Or may be it is already on Sikhiwiki?

I have just added a link on Chotha Ghallughara post a tv series depicting the same

(HarpreetSingh 05:35, 23 April 2012 (CDT))

A Bit of News

Another possible news post

Another bit of news from Dawn News

english sikhiwiki showing page in russian

My dear Hari Singh Jee,


P Lease note that English sikhiwiki is showing original contribution in Russian and tell us how to see this in English?Article i am talking is titled 'Введение в ѝикхизм'--Guglani 06:17, 8 July 2012 (CDT)


How are you?

I have a question about How to make disambiguation page links to all? like Fateh Singh, i.e in each article i feel there should be disambiguation link which is part of wiki. Please Suggest?

is there any sikh population in wales? (HarpreetSingh 14:37, 30 July 2012 (CDT))


I do not have permissions to edit this, however the following should be changed:

should be changed to:

due to the event now occurring in the past rather than the future. This is currently on the main page. Twalker 15:42, 6 August 2012 (CDT)

Neighbors and the world

Trying again to post, my log ins last about 30 seconds or so, such outrage has caused thousands upon thousands to discover Sikhi.

A story of interest

Foundation Stone of Harmandar Sahib

Dear Bai jee,

Thanks for your message. I do not think it was dramatic change at all. Editing a few lines and removing one small paragraph. Full academic references were also provided with the edits I made. I can even provide a few more if you would like.

I think we should not let personal bias enter the debate. Did you read the references I provided? If you have, then I do not mind to try and discuss this on the talk page. If we are not ready to expand or change our existing beliefs in light of evidence then there is no real point of discussion. Do let me know.

--Jsu (talk) 07:16, 17 October 2012 (CDT)

another article

Something else to read

Sardar ji, it was so good seeing Sikhs supplying food and water to those needing help, during the storm in New York and New Jersey. Here is another story being reported in Pakistan. A hero's luster is never tarnished.

Guru fateh Hari Singh Ji

How are you?

Could you please look onto the template Template:Dasam_Granth_Sidebar. I am trying to create this, but there is some error. If you have spare time do have a look on it. I shall be thankful to you. (HarpreetSingh (talk) 10:48, 11 December 2012 (CST))

    • First criticism recorded in Sikh History were Ram Raiyas, which is covered in Anti Dasam Bani Movement which should be rename to Criticism of Dasam Granth but if we will bring critics on way like Teja Singh Bhasod and others then we need criticism on Guru Granth Sahib too as same people also attacked few banis(bhatt swaiyey, namdev's bani) of adi granth. Still for information purposes i have created criticism article myself on bases of historical facts, but not with details. We can combine scholar views and critics into one perspectives. May i take side bar 2 of dasam granth into main side bar code?

Pls Also Help Edit Wiki Page

GuruFateh, Hari Singh. I am not that skilled at editing wikipedia, but you may be. Take a look at this page and the first paragraph, and also the discussion page on Wikipedia, so you can know what to edit and how to edit it. It seems as if someone has tried to edit it, but not everyone knows of the wikipedia standards of editing. Please also try to add the Sikh perspective on this, and explain why Sikhs may be against that first paragraph. Tojfauj (talk)

Pls Help Edit Wiki Page

GuruFateh, Hari Singh. I am not that skilled at editing wikipedia, but you may be. Take a look at this page and the first paragraph, and also the discussion page on Wikipedia, so you can know what to edit and how to edit it. It seems as if someone has tried to edit it, but not everyone knows of the wikipedia standards of editing. Please also try to add the Sikh perspective on this, and explain why Sikhs may be against that first paragraph.

Please do let me know any updates. Tojfauj (talk) 21:35, 10 January 2013 (CST)

Thank you

For the kind words, many thanks, hopefully the map has been of some use.

Sat Shri Akal Richard

Sat Shri Akaal ji, Thanks for your recent note. I hope you and your family are well. Please check the changes I made to the Special daughter section of the page on Bibi Bhani. I had not heard of this superstition before and may have written something incorrect. It would seem if they do not accept that they do not ask for any service from a daughter. And then wondered if this might be in reference to a daughter after she has married?

Allenwalla (talk) 13:50, 20 January 2013 (CST)

Calendar ++

Hello. I am french and write some articles in Wikipedia in French about Sikhism. Right now I write to you because there is a matter on the page from SikhiWiki about Nanakshahi Calendar. And I want to know if the pictures, the files, the drawn of SikhiWiki could be take for Wikipedia in French, if they are free of copy. Nice day. --Zavatter (talk) 13:00, 4 February 2013 (CST)

Hello. I forget one ask: I have a book, they speek about 17 bhagats and no 15. I readed the SGGS, I finded some names who are not used in bhagats from SikhiWiki. Why? Have a nice day.--Zavatter (talk) 13:04, 4 February 2013 (CST)
Hello. Excuse-me, there is too a matter on the page Guru Maneo Granth; look at the end. Nice day.--Zavatter (talk) 13:17, 4 February 2013 (CST)
Hello. For the bhagats I have in A Popular dictionary of Sikhism, bhagat with the name Sunder, and a other with the name Mardana. The first one has hymns in Guru Granth Sahib pages 923 and 924, the second page 553.

For the free copy all pictures and files of Sikhiwiki are not under common use licence, and can't not be take, isn't it? Have a nice day. --Zavatter (talk) 06:13, 7 February 2013 (CST)

Hello. Should I take the picture of Akhand Kirtani Jatha for wikipedia in french? Thank you. Have a nice day.--Zavatter (talk) 01:02, 1 March 2013 (CST)

Hello. About the picture of Akhand Kiratni Jatha, to use in Wikipedia in French, I should write a licence like Creative Commons 3.0 or 2.5. What should I write? Thank you. Have a nice day.--Zavatter (talk) 11:10, 2 March 2013 (CST)

Thank you, Sir

Thank you, Sir, glad I understood correctly. SSA Ji

No Apology, but a visit

How to add a photograph in the article

Will you please tell me how to add a photograph from my personal computer

Sat Shri Akal ji, another bit of news

The many movies

The many Bollywood films my wife and I have seen, makes it easy to fall in love with the images, culture and the people of the Punjab. It is regretful that it was ever divided; that walls have to keep a once proud Kingdom divided. Even we would love to visit both sides, but I'm sure any travel sans an armed escort would be dangerous for an American couple. There are so many Gurdwaras I'd love to visit. It's easy to close my eyes and envision the many stories of the Gurus , walking the paths they walked. Well it is a shame that both countries limit visiters, that the Punjab can't be reunited with land and homes returned, though there were so many that never owned homes or the land they farmed.

But doing the research to make the maps for the Harmandar Sahib was like a little visit, still I have no images in my mind of the staircase to the second floor, actually being there would indeed be a privilege. Glad you enjoyed the story and photos. Well it's late and time to retire. Hope your family is well.

Bhai sahib ji, Raab rakha

Guru Fateh

How are you?

Is there no way out found to correct unicode font which get distorted like 33 Swayyae, it is difficult to recover all in instance manually. Haven't technical guys gave any updation on it? (HarpreetSingh (talk) 13:15, 4 May 2013 (CDT))


Say Sri akal , Dear sir I have been watching the "bedi" page for a while now as per your previous message , however there seems to be some issue In accessing the page as the source is not found on google anymore , please help in resolving this issue Satnamwaheguru

captcha requirement

WJKK ! WJKF! Sir I am an old contributor even thenI have to answer Sikhism question and enter captcha no. Of times before I can make edit?Moreover captcha at safari and chrome browsers on iPad is not shown . Please solve my problem.--Guglani (talk) 02:16, 12 June 2013 (CDT) Sir, Now erroris not showing , maybe some correction is done or already some cookie is rectified by itself.Any way Thanks! But still I being old contributor have to many times two times have to key in captcha and additionally reply questions related to Sikhism. Can you make some system where it remembers old contributors with their IP address and device being recognised so that those old contributors need not enter captcha again and again.--Guglani (talk) 21:19, 12 June 2013 (CDT)

Use of gadget Hot cat for categories editing

Sir, In user preferences no gadgets like Hot cat etc is available. Please make these available in software as it is very useful gadget in wiki for rationalising categories very quickly.--Guglani (talk) 10:20, 13 June 2013 (CDT)


sat sri akal hari ji

" A description for this result is not available because of this site's robots.txt – learn more."

this is how it appears on google , and yes the direct link does work



sat sri akal hari ji

" A description for this result is not available because of this site's robots.txt – learn more."

this is how it appears on google , and yes the direct link which you sent me does work


Mahankosh on sikhiwiki

Hi Hari,

Is there some way to add a mahan kosh project on Sikhiwiki so that we can import in everything already available on the materials around and community wise all contribute to translating the entire mahan kosh collectively over time? We can use gurbani translations already available and map them across?

I have made a start on this and would appreciate the help to getting this set of changes going so you can see the first word on this has already been done and we need to set the formatting for all of them first to be linear, and set each link with the square brackets so the hyperlink points to a page within sikhwiki and from there once that is done we can click on each page to start entering in each meaning.

News item

Sat Shri Akal ji. Sardarji ,

An Alarming bit of news.

Hi Hari Singh,

I don't know much about editing page on sikhwiki. But just want you to know that 1) Isher Singh (kalerawale nanaksar) 2) Isher Singh (Rara sahib) both are different and So it is a request that you kindly create Isher Singh (Rara sahib) a seperate page. And the page "Teachings of Isher Singh" linked with Isher Singh (kalerawale nanaksar) are actually by Isher Singh (Rara sahib).


response for mahan kosh

Thanks Veer ji for getting back to me on the Mahan Kosh I found a very old book which has a translation of the mahan kosh but I don't think it has been used very effectively on internet projects. Could you please give some suggestions how the pages for each word can be made and possible means of making it easier to search between the words at the moment it seems under each punjabi letter the words seem to be quite close to each other. It seems the actual mahan kosh on srigranth has partial translations and not translations for each word.

Could you possibly do one for me so we can have a standardized format and possibly at some point look into placing the project on the main page of this website so it become advertised to a wider audience who can contribute so the project can be completed very quickly.

Sikhs being mistaken as Muslims

Sardar ji,

Other than the news stories covering Sikhs who have been attacked, I have seen little mention of Sikhs in US media. I was pleasantly surprised by an episode of the CBS TV series 'Blood Bloods' including a sub plot about a Sikh being mistaken as a 'clearly Muslim' suspect in a Masjid bombing.

9:50 min  - then 20 min and the end of the show (37:40 or so) include the Sikh , while it could have covered more, at least a bit of info was included about the Kirpan. 

With a good connection and data minutes the show can be seen free on the net. It's not much, but it is a start.


Episode: Mistaken Identity S4 Ep10 (41:31)

US Navy ANM66 bomb

Sat Shri Akaal ji,

Sardar ji. Reading the news today I saw a story about a live US Navy ANM66 bomb, being diffused in Hong Kong, near a Sikh Gurdwara. I thought that this was probably there since the Khalsa Diwan Gurdwara was bombed during WWII, killing Bhai Nand Singh. I thought to add a sentence or so to the article on the Gurdwara, but since I am not sure this is correct, I thought you might have better access to the facts on this I would ask you first. Allenwalla (talk) 01:35, 8 February 2014 (CST)

News reports

Sardar Ji, Sat Shri Akaal, I have been very boyhered by all the news coming out if Pakistan, sending a link I Hope. Thank you.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

VJKK VJKF Bhai Hari Singh,

After a long hiatus, I'd like to start contributing to SikhiWiki again! Please let me know what the current emphasis is on in SikhiWiki. I'd personally like to start updating articles on the Bhagats, starting with Bhagat Ramanand.

VJKK VJKF, --Navroop Singh (talk) 07:41, 21 November 2014 (CST)

Caravan raids

You likely didn't understand the article about caravan raids properly. I already said the wars by Muhammad only fought to protect the Muslims or in retaliation for oppression. The caravan raids were an example of this retaliation. Meccans would have attacked them anyway seeing them as a threat even if they didn't carry out any caravan raids. Frequent wars between tribes were common in Arabia. Read that on Wikipedia. You calling Islam an attacking religion based on this is a wrong definition. Pandavas were tricked out of their kingdom by Kauravas too. They could have simply ignored them after settling in Virata.They were however encouraged to fight by Krishna and attacked and exterminated the Kauravas. Does that make Hinduism an attacking religion too? Also is wars being fought in name of a religion makes ot an attacking religion. Use logic. Sorry but I'll have to revert your edits especially since all the wars as already by Muhammad were to protect Muslims or retaliation we shouldn't be passing out judgment on others SidBuddha (talk) 21:08, 8 March 2015 (CDT)

Also you can read this surah 22:39-40 from Quran permitting war in retaliation against agression: To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid. (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is Allah". Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily Allah is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will). SidBuddha (talk) 21:32, 8 March 2015 (CDT)

About wars in Islam

You can see here an editor that word "offensive" in Caravan raids meant "taking the offensive", not rude or uncouth ( The Meccans had persecuted the Muslims even though Muhammad was peacefully preaching his religion and they were forced to flee Mecca due to the persecution. The only crime Muhammad had done was reject that the pagan polytheistic faith of the Meccans was false. After the Muslims were forced to flee the Meccans took the property they left behind. So tell me wasn't Muhammad right in attacking the Meccans in Caravan raids? He was. That is called an eye for an eye not an attacking religion.
  • Also you talk about numerous wars waged in name of Islam. How is Islam responsible for any wars taking after Muhammad's death? Any war that took in name of Islam against non-Muslims that took place after Muhammad's death can't be blamed upon Islam or Muhammad.
  • "... Islam expanded through conquest... ". You took this out of context. here is the full sentence, "The struggle for Jihad in the Qu'ran was originally intended for the nearby neighbors of the Muslims, but as Islam expanded through conquest, the Quranic statements supporting Jihad were updated for the new adversaries."

This line doesn't actually mean that people were forced to convert when the Arab rulers conquered new territories. That actually meant that when the Arabs conquered more and more lands, more number of people came in contact with Islam and some people converted while some didn't. When a new religion is introduced some people always usually converted to it just like many Hindus and Muslims converted to Sikhism. Many of the non-Muslims under Muslim rule converted just to avoid taxation. The Arab Muslim rulers were known to be tolerant towards other religions. They were more tolerant than even the Christians of those time who had massacred and persecuted the Jewish people and followers of pagan religions many times. After Christians reconquered Spain from Muslims they forced Jews and Muslims to convert. See this on Spanish Inqusition: "The Inquisition was originally intended in large part to ensure the orthodoxy of those who converted from Judaism and Islam. This regulation of the faith of the newly converted was intensified after the royal decrees issued in 1492 and 1501 ordering Jews and Muslims to convert or leave Spain." Also see this from Forced Conversion#Spanish Inqusition "After the end of the Islamic control of Spain, Muslims and Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497. After the Reconquista, so called "New Christians" were those inhabitants (Sephardic Jews or Mudéjar Muslims) during the Middle Ages and the Early Modern Era who were baptized under coercion and in the face of murder, becoming forced converts from Islam (Moriscos, Conversos and secret Moors) and forced converts from Judaism (Conversos, Crypto-Jews and Marranos). Then the Spanish Inquisition targeted primarily forced converts from Judaism who came under suspicion of either continuing to adhere to their old religion or of having fallen back into it. Jewish conversos still resided in Spain and often hiddenly (cryptically) practiced Judaism and were suspected by the "Old Christians" of being Crypto-Jews. The Spanish Inquisition generated much wealth and income for the church and individual inquisitors by confiscating the property of the persecutees or selling them into slavery. The end of the Al-Andalus and the expulsion of the Sephardic Jews from the Iberian Peninsula went hand in hand with the increase of Spanish-Portugal influence in the world, as exemplified in the Christian conquest of the Americas and their aboriginal Indian population. The Ottoman Empire, the Netherlands, and the New World absorbed much of the Jewish refugees." Unlike Christian rule of that time, under Arab rule other religions were given protection although there might have been persecution sometimes.

  • Oh and here is the full text which you forgot to mention from Military career of Muhammad on my talk page, "Javed Ahmed Ghamidi writes in Mizan that there are certain directives of the Qur’an pertaining to war which were specific only to Muhammad against Divinely specified peoples of his times (the polytheists and the Israelites and Nazarites of Arabia and some other Jews, Christians, et al.) as a form of Divine punishment—for they had persistently denied the truth of Muhammad's mission even after it had been made conclusively evident to them by Allah through Muhammad, and asked the polytheists of Arabia for submission to Islam as a condition for exoneration and the others for jizya and submission to the political authority of the Muslims for exemption from death punishment and for military protection as the dhimmis of the Muslims. Therefore, after Muhammad and his companions, there is no concept in Islam obliging Muslims to wage war for propagation or implementation of Islam, hence now, the only valid reason for war is to end oppression when all other measures have failed. (jihad)"

It is Javed Ahmed Ghani who is saying this. Therefore you are forming your opinion on theories of another person.

  • "By old custom, during the months of pilgrimage, tribal hostilities stopped and all were free to visit Mecca. In March 628, Muhammad put on the garb of a pilgrim and taking a force and camels for sacrifice, set out for Mecca. According to the early chronicler Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad took 700 men (Guillaume 1955, p. 500). According to Watt, Muhammad took 1400 to 1600 men (Watt 1957, p. 46).

    The Meccans did not accept the Muslim professions of peaceful intent and sent out an armed party against them. The Muslims evaded them by taking a side route through the hills around Mecca, and then camped outside Mecca, at Hudaybiya. Ibn Ishaq describes a tense period of embassies and counter-embassies, including a bold foray by Uthman ibn Affan into the city of Mecca, where he was temporarily held as a hostage. The Meccans told the Muslims that Uthman had been killed and open warfare seemed imminent.

    Then the situation shifted radically. Uthman was revealed to be alive, and the Meccans expressed their willingness to negotiate a truce. Some elements wanted a confrontation, but Muhammad held out for a peaceful resolution. The treaty of Hudaybiyyah committed both sides to a ten-year truce. The Muslims were to be allowed to return the next year, to perform the pilgrimage.

    Free of the Meccan threat, the Muslims expanded their activities against other oases and tribes. They conquered the rich oasis of Khaybar (see Battle of Khaybar) and sent raiding parties against the Ghatafan, Murrah, Sulaym, and Hawaizin (Watt 1957 pp. 52–53). " Military career of Muhammad

Here the Meccans attacked Muhammad first while he had only come to Mecca for pilgrimage. The Meccans did not accept the Muslim professions of peaceful intent and sent out an armed party against them.

It can be clearly seen that you are calling Islam an "attacking religion" based just on incorrect statements and theories. SidBuddha (talk) 02:39, 13 April 2015 (CDT)