User talk:Chaingang47
Due to the deletion of various pages on Sikh Bhagats you have been barred initially for 1 week but we choose to extended this after reviewing your actions. We honour your right to voice your opinion but not at the expense of subduing our views. If you wish to deal with any matter in a sensible manner, you should follow our protocol and only voice your view via the talk pages first and see what we have to say. I hope you will take note of what I have said. Regards, Hari Singhtalk 11:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
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Sir, Mr. chaingang, you will notice that your thought that your stuff would be edited out was incorrect, it was removed from the articles that others have worked hard on. But was added to the proper place for voicing your concerns - the discussion pages.
Who do you mean to attack and what are you trying to get across. Do you see Bhagat as a term of less rank than Guru. Your use of words like ediot. (is this a new term for stupid people on the net -- E-diots or just a spelling mistake) or words used to disparage another will most likely end in your message getting yanked and wishing people to hell won't help either.
Guru is from 2 syllables in sanskrit. gu = darkness, or if you will pooh or fecal matter. it is used to refer to man's 'darker' animalistic state. ruu means light, therefore anyone who teaches one out of stupidity could be called a guru. Ravidass is shown on these pages with a turban - showing that one person at least thinks he wore a turban.
There is God the Guru of whom Ravidas spoke, La or Allah or call it Waheguru or Nirguna, Ram, Bhagwan all just terms for the teacher of us all.
Then there are Sikh Gurus and Sikhs, the devotees of those Gurus and their decendants, ect. have chosen to call them Gurus as well, so i don't get your beef.
Debate is an old and well practised form of teaching, beating those you seek to teach over the head with a laathi tends to cause resistance.
Which saucha sauda, the story of Guru Nanak and the Rishis or sadhus or the one in sarsa with the legal problems? regards Allenwalla 21:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Whats your main question your trying to get across? I'll answerr it no problemm.
Oyaeee
Na tere sahab naal main Har ayae gayae nu guru kehan lagg pavan.
Main Guru Granth Sahib nu guru dhareya tae oha mutabik eh Sabh bhagat nae. And you are pointing your finger toward guru granth sahib. Already there is clash between sikh & Dera panthis know you want one more clash Ravidasi vs Sikhs.........Arey sikh kae hisaab sae Shiv, Vishan, Brahma bhee god nahin to kyaa hindu log unhey god manana chod daein??? (Lucky 05:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC))
I dont care what Hindu people think or not, you talk to me about yourself.
I know that if you say water, jul, or meen... it still means the samething just like
guru and bhagat, but the problem is people dont know that and I want to let you know im not going to shut my mouth. teh botha ponkeya na kar bandhar.
Ik onkar, as in one god...
This was already created by Shri Guru Ravidass Maharaj Ji... "So hung," one god.
Secondly, if you call all these true saints like Shri Guru Ravidass, Namdev, and Kabir Maharaj Ji bhagats, I say the ten gurus also have no right being called gurus.
Warning
Do you even know what a guru is? I wouldn't be surprised if you didnt, half the world dosent. Guru is a word made from 2 pharsee shabds, ga and ruu. Ga and ruu means the light that takes away darkness. Now wether you were one of the ten gurus or not, if you are a light that takes away darkness (like saints;; Ex: 108 Sant Baba Darshan dass ji, 108 Sant Baba Bhagwan dass ji etc.) then you are a guru. Therefore there is no way you or anyperson in the world has the right to call Shri Guru Ravidass, Kabir, Farid, Dhanna, Sadna, Sen, Tirlochan, and Namdev maharaj ji a bhagat.
IM PROUD TO SAY IM A RAVIDASSIAN THAT KNOWS THE TRUTH AND I WANT TO SPREAD IT ALL OVER THE WORLD. IM NOT AFRAID TO CALL MYSELF A RAVIDASSIAN, SO ALL YOU NEGATIVE THINKERS, RESPECT.
Type in " Bhagat or no? " on the search section, if you got the guts to hear the truth.
Listen Mr. Ravidasia
We are Sikh not from particular sect OK. All Gurus are Saints. But all saints are not one's Guru. Bhagat Ravidass may be a Guru to many people. And so may be the case with Bhagat Kabir jee. These were great saints of the Bhagti movement and the relevant bani which was in sync with the Guru Nanak's and rest of the Sikh Gurus philosophy has found place of honour in the Guru Granth Sahib. Their bani which is in the SGGS is Gurubani. However as an individual, they are reffered as Bhagats and not as Gurus by the Sikhs. Though many across the Country treat them as their Gurus. However they are held in great respect by the Sikhs.
Hope this will clear some of the cobwebs of doubt. (Editor 07:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC))
For the last time and with all due respect what you just said is a bunch of bull. How much respect are they given? YOU DONT EVEN KNOW! YOUR JUST SAYING IT OFF YOUR MOUTH. If they had even an inch of respect: when we were trying to get the permit for our Shri Guru Ravidass Maharaj Ji gurudwara in Brampton or the area, why did all the sikh gurudwaras oppose? They didnt want the truth to come out, but in the end... the truth won. im not saying "sikh gurudwaras" are not part of me though... I respect them just as much, but im not taking anything like crap such as calling my gurus bhagats.
As far as for Hari Singh or anyother bullsh1tter I dont care if they delete my account, but I WONT STOP EXPRESSING MY VOICE AND MY EMOTIONS AND I WILL DEFINITLY BE HEARD.
Thank you for some positive response
Dear Chaingang47, Sat Sri Akal ji,
I am sorry if somehow we have upset you.
As Sikhs, we totally respect all the contributors to the Holy Granth. We humbly bow to them all. We do this because of the greatness of their vision, the clarity of their thoughts and pureness of their actions. They all came to the world to uplift humanity.
Please note that there is no difference in the words Guru, Bhagat, Sheikh, prophet, master, etc. Note that Ravidas ji said "Our passions are strong, and our discriminating intellect is weak; we have no access to the supreme objective. ॥2॥" (SGGS p658). Let us not become confused about the real message given by the Guru Granth Sahib, which is the collective voice of all the Gurus, Bhagats, Bhatts, Sheikhs, even Bhai Mardana, etc.
Muslims in Pakistan call Guru Nanak, "Baba Nanak" - We should not object to that. Some of them have more respect for "Baba Nanak" than the Sikhs who call him Guru.
The best respect that can be given to all the contributors to the Guru Granth Sahib is to follow their message - And the the most disrespect is to disobey their message.
Let us be humble and kind and remember the Lord who prevails everywhere. Regards, Hari Singhtalk 02:50, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Is this what your Guru teaches you
Sir, If you are a student or follower of Ravidas's teachings you must be very angry about something for I don't think Ravidas if he were were here or the many other teachers mentioned on the net would approve your tact.
I have tried to understand and taken the time to imform myself about Ravidas. In England it seems Sikh youth have been calling on the location you mentioned and were alarmed to see a mixture of Hindu practices (murties for one) and also that the SGGS had been installed, but generally what i have read on the net describes your group as partially Hindu. The twenties saw a struggle in Punjab in which many people died clearing the Gurdwaras of the Mahants and the Hindu practises the Sikh Gurus had dissapproved of. In several articles the houses of worship are called Deras, I believe that Guru Nanak asked Shri Ravidas to open a Dharamsala in Benares, if I remember correctly. The term Gurdwara, i think, was first used by Guru HarGobind and Sikhs seem to take the use of the word to their hearts thinking that Hindu services, the use of fire in the Gurudwara as well as aariti and murties are out of place and describe Hinduism. The Hindus in the states and India don't use the word Gurdwara to my knowledge.
Then I also see 'Shri Guru Ravidas Gurdwaras in the US, Canada and Australia using the word Gurdwara and describing themselves as Sikhs. So this is all news to me as Guru Nanak Dev is usually listed as the father of Sikhi. The one in Queens, New York even uses the Khanda symbol, langar, etc.
So as I have never even heard of your group and as best I can find all your houses of worship began in 1998 or so, I for one am confused and will read further. Your Sabha isn't mentioned here at least i have seen no mention of it.
If you had acted like someone who was not in deep darkness, who was listening to the 'light' part of the term Guru, which your six year old 'know it all' challenge of, "I know something you stupid people don't know" - giving us the wrong or later source for the word GURU (wellknown on these pages, if you took the time to look), you might have written an informative article on your sangat and its differences. An article which might have opened a positive platform. Instead you came into someones, house like a mad bull in a China shop telling people to go to hell with scatilogical language and curses. Is this an example of what you learn in your Gurdwara? Allenwalla 04:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
