SikhiWiki talk:Improvements: Difference between revisions

Suggestion by tri-party

That's cool that you have update the pauri of anand Sahib.

Well the we tri-party(Lucky, Ustaad Singh & myself want to suggest you the following points:

1. Places, Towns, Cities, Villages which are uploaded on sikhiwiki should contain sikhi related material. As it's not the Punjab encyclopedia or World Encyclopeidia. We should update those places only which have link with Sikhism. Like Chandigarh is not a Sikh area but the area around chandigarh is sikhism related. Remember this is not Punjab Wiki. or do one thing ask Gurmustak Singh to take one more .com i.e Punjabwiki.com. i think my suggestion is not poor.
2. There are many articles which donot have any quality LIKE ALL ARTICLES CREATED BY user:mutia. He creates article but he create it like cutting a thorny bushes. Attractive articles attract the users. but hs articles are extra attractive not attracts it just sours the tounge. Guru Granth Sahib has written beautifully and he write GGS lines in amazing manner. i am not saying dirty but sir its not the wiki format. There are many other articles too.
3. PLease the uploaded images should have proper name or description of that. like image with name Ss101, GG2G12 looks ugly than proper ame of image simply saying the name should be descriptive.
4. Categories should increase but like Gurudwara should merge in Gurdwara as due to close names. Aimilarly the close name same articles should be merge like Fatehgarh & Fatehghar Sahib. Duplicacy should removed.
5. There are many Muslim, Hindu, & other religious articles. Strictly saying only those articles should be placed here which have relation to sikhism like Aurangjeb, RSS, Radhaswami. these are not sikh but are danger to sikhism or anti to sikhism and always attacks sikhism. people should know what they are and what are their status in sikhism.
6. there is a category called articles under deletion and u should view that articles in a week please, as an administrator it's recomennded. You can remove the article called Punjab State Carrom Association. the article put by user:hptlucky not for fame it was put on it due to control of association by sikh members. but in true words this article should be removed.
7. Actors, Sport personalities belong to punjab and non sikhs should remove & Mona sikhs articles should have stamped that this is Mona Sikh like Sunny Deol etc.
8. Please update the bani from srigranth & Dasamgranth in your own way. We should give bani on it. Some articles like Din Rain, Kuchajee, Suchajee are created which are part of guru granth sahib sly there are many banis like asa di var, barah maha maaj, aartee, Bavan Akhree etc etc which the people donot know. Just not only description we have to add the whole bani on it.

Article Din Rain has been checked by me there is tutti futi english so please check it. its proposed article.

Well make an article for us so that we can put our suggestion into them.........user:paapi, user:thegreateditor & user:hpt_lucky

Supported

• Sir kindly permit me to support their case !!!--Amita Singh

Reply by HSS(Administrator)

I agree with the points you make but there is a big question mark about where the line is drawn. Lets break down the main issues. If I understand correctly, these are the issues:

• 1. Places, Towns, Cities, Villages must be Sikhi related
• 2. We need Quality articles: Attractive articles attract the users. wiki format.
• 3. Duplicate items both articles & categories should be removed.
• 4. Sikhi and anti-Sikhi required to provide knowledge to our readers.
• 5. Articles requiring deletion
• 6. Actors, Sport personalities belonging to Punjab Ok but non-sikhs should be removed.
• 7. Mona-stamp: Mona should be marked as such - give them a black mark!
• 8. Give more knowledge about Bani.

• Number 5 - I take the point and I will try and do this regularly.
• Number 8 and 2 are linked - No one can argue with these - We need more coverage of Gurbani and in an attractive way - especially a easy commentary in English giving details of what Maharaj is saying about an issue - Just putting Gurbani on its own does not help as this can be found elsewhere - srigranth, etc. We need articles which explain and give pointed guidance in simple and easy to follow way - Unfortunately, there is little to be found in this respect anywhere on the Net or in books. So, we need to create these articles from scratch - which is a massive task. To write one article can take many days of research and then one needs to put it into an attractive format. This is where we have a problem. Finding Sikhs who will research a Sikhi article and put it into readable English.
• Number 3: Again, before we delete articles, we need to first merge the two articles using material that is unique in each - So unless the two articles are exactly the same, this needs some quality work and time - I agree we need to do it but only so much can be done due to lack of time - We need to work out a system for doing this - perhaps we need to list the duplicate article on another page so that we can all work at it together.
• Number 7 - Mona stamp - I think this would be an anti-sikh practise - Guru Maharaj did not promote this type of behaviour - What if we have a keshadhari Sikh who is drunk shouting abuse to the public and on the other hand, we have a mona Sikh feeding a hungry child.
• Number 4 & 6: These are related - reject non-Sikh items - I think we sometimes need articles like Chandigarh because it is an important city in the land where the Gurus spread Dharam - Plus we have Gurdwaras in this city - so people may need information about the city if they are visiting - I agree we do not have to give lots of non-Sikhi information on this article. Things which may have an impact on Sikhs can be important - Many Sikhs take drugs - we need to tackle this point as it is a fact that has an influence on Sikhi.

I think we need to discuss this a lot more to get a better idea to move forward. We need to make this site the best site for Sikhs and non-Sikhs to learn about Sikhism. So let us see how we can make it a quality site. das, Administrator Hari Singh 18:12, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Mona Sikhs(Inhead Sikhs)

WJKKWJKF,Sir, I fully support the views of triparty but unable to understand ur reply.I ve already given such views on user talk page of Actors much earlier. why u call Patits as Mona Sikhs. Pl. Don' give recognition to Patits on Sikhiwiki.This will increase Patitpuna.The articles related to such patits should be removed immediately.user:sarbjeet_1313me 16 Aug 2007

My reply is pretty simple - What if we have a keshadhari Sikh who is drunk shouting abuse to the public and on the other hand, we have a mona Sikh feeding a hungry child - which one is a better person in Sikhi terms? Administrator Hari Singh 20:37, 16 August 2007 (EDT)

Well The mark of patit should be there on the article and reason how it ecome patit should given under the article so that people kow that he is patit and how. Like sunny deol Patit why he is mona cut his hair. People will know that he is sikh but sikhs say him patit. this also makes knowledgable. Lke amrita ritam is muslim now but she was sikh so there should be a template to define her. Harbhajan Singh cuts beard so he is Patit sikh and define patit in his case that he cut his beard. Similarly Ustaad singh one of our user is patit he drinks wine. Paapi myself mind mein Kaam Krodh Lobh moh hankaar so i am patit. But our basic identity sikh as we born in sih family so we are on sikhiwiki. There are some articles of shenai wadak on sikhiwiki which donot have any relation with sikhi. Radhaswami article is there as most of the sikhs accept the anti sikh organization so we should alert them to prevent urself from these cults. Administrator Hari SInngh have washed out whole radhaswami article as there was no sarabloh copyright with it. Hari Singh jee watch the article again and restore it back. Srichand Math is there as it's non sikh but he was the son of Shri guru Nank dev. Its something related to sikhi. Maharaja Ranjit Singh Sikh, Europeans Sikh, Koran - Mythological references in Guru Granth Sahib. So Guru Granth Sahib, Sikh History, Guru History, Present Sikhs, Sikh philosphy these five aspects are covered in the whole website. Five is respectable in sikhi as 5 kakaar, 5 pyara etc. Well bhul chuk maaf .........user:paapi

Nanak's Categorisation of Sikhs

There are only 5 catagories of Sikhs depending upon the No of steps One has climbed to go to So Dar (TRUTH god's 'In Gate')...onto 'So Ghar'...further onto....So Purukh (of Mool Mantar)

• • Sahaj Dhari Sikhs.(struggling to climb on to 4th step, the start point of The Sikhi of Khalsa Nanak Singh brand
  • GurSikhs (crossed 4th step )
  • GurMukhs (Fluent in reading, writing, speaking & Singing of TRUTH god's language
  • Saints ( Visionaries)
  • Khalsa. 'TRUTH god' alias SatGurBani with human attributes. In one word Humanity

All other terms differentiate human beings & are best Left to Raam-Raheems of East & 3HOs of the West & their intimate supporters to do scholarly research on.

• • Khalsa(encompasses all humans...bury bhaly hm thary....., living not only this earth but is our universe & universes beyond

Khalsa is friend of even foes--Mool Mantar & Sikh History

• jy mannia ta manniyy, bujhiyy gur parsaad........if some one believes himself to be a TRUE Sikh. or otherwise, on the face of it go by Shis words , however understand & accept Shis social profile against the commandments of SatGur

• Sakat sang na keejiyy duron jaiyy baaj........leave aside publicity / public discussions & debates on, NO association what so ever it may be, with those.......

• amal gulyla kood da ditaa dyvn haar....

.....who have been made [[ManMukh.|Sakat / patit / ... /../... ) by TRUTH god' through their own EGO, is permitted by SatGurBani

• vaad vivaad kahoo sy nahee......No discussions please

Those who do not recognize this path of 38 Steps of Sikhi. of 'Khalsa Nanak' brand are manmukhs.--Ang 1054

--Mutia 08:31, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

What is improvemet in above Note???? user:thegreateditor

Improvement talk

Right,there should only improvement talk on this page.As stated by Sir Hari Singh ji that a Patit Sikh is better than a sikh with unshorn hair if he is right in some social work.This is not fair idea for retaining articles on Patit Sikhs.veer paapi is right that if u wanted 2 retain such articles there should be some Alert message at the top of article so that people should be alerted tha patitpuna is not accepted in Sikhism. Sir in a school one child comes without uniform but he has done his school homework how can he bn right? the primary discipline in school is uniform.Which can not be relaxed. By relaxing such things see Patitpuna has eaten half of Sikh population of punjab.We the 5 lac Sikhs of J&K still believe and apply that 1st thing is díscipline of uniform ie unshorn hair.Come and see the sikhi spirit in J&K.so in the nutshell the articles about Patit Sikhs should be reviewed. Das user:sarbjeet_1313me

Sir jee i know the sikhi in J & K even the sikh of J & K gave the examples of sikhi in punjab. But this is not more know i gives other the sikhi in J & K, Delhi, Nanded etc. Sir punjab donot know what is sikhism now. because of more guru ghar sikhi is less. its amazing. There are many humans here who drink wine laid on clothes falls from motors in drunku situation, Turban falls down and beard also looks untidy. Hari Singh, Mutia, Sarabjeet, Lucky, Paapi, Azad, Ustaad which of u bind your beard applying simco hair fixer??? That is not in sikhism. Our ancestors have Open beard, our fathers start binding it and we start cutting it hey god save us. paapi i am sehmat wid u good.......lucky

Don't justify it

Paapi ji,pl. don't justify the cutting of beard by punjabis.Why this culture has not developed outside punjab where also sikhs tie beards.user:sarbjeet_1313me

If tying beard is against Sikhi then how can tying the hair in a rishi knot be OK. I think we fall into the trap of manmat when we don't listen to our Guru and start making our own rules. Be a Gurmukh and only adhere to and promote the rules stipulated by our Guru.

"sabh mehi joth joth hai soe || this dhai chaanan sabh mehi chaanan hoe || gur saakhee joth paragatt hoe || jo this bhaavai s aarathee hoe ||3||"
"Amongst all is the Light - You are that Light. By this Illumination, that Light is radiant within all. Through the Guru's Teachings, the Light shines forth. That which is pleasing to Him is the lamp-lit worship service. ||3||"

Only by studying Gurbani can we become enlightened - Without the Guru and his teachings, we are lost. das, Hari Singh 17:29, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

TRUE First & there after FALSE (may be?)

• Tera antt na kinhee paeea.

As Maan Yog Hari Singh ji has gracefully & clearly summed it up, TRUE Sikhs are expected to live life guided by no one's fancies fads, mischiefs, anddualities but by the commandments of SatGurBani even at the cost of their heads.....

• Only & only one TRUE definition of a ManMukh alias patit is......

Manmukh is a Human being who does not believe in & Walks on this Path of our Panth

No other definition what so ever is to be accepted by TRUE Sikhs because it leads to useless discussions leading nobody no where. Not only that, ....disregard to SatGurBani's commandments

NAAM bina sab nihchal kaam......vaad vivaad kahoo sy naahee..&...bahuta nahi bolna..,...

... becomes reflection of outright arrogant, selfish, mean & uncalled for behavior in any civilised culture. Khalsa culture being the culture of 'Flawlessness' dicussing Falsies & trivial issues in the court of SatGur(humanity) & not TRUTHs does not fit into the Panthic profile & Panthic code of conduct.

• Since our SatGur(I am on purpose & with the aim of 'getting closer' to TRUE Sikhs, am not using the term 'god' here because it is an artificial name of Satgur)...is all in all we must become ikk mikk with Shim. A TRUE Sikh must aim to get branded by the public as 'Mr. Japji Sahib' (jap jaapyy) or Mr. SatGurBani.

• A TRUE Sikh's Language, Mother, Father, Friend & universe is SatGur's TRUE NAAM.

• A TRUE Sikh in his own mind will always see his own profile in his mind, in his speach, in his writings & in his behavior as that of Khalsa alias Gurbani.

• The moment a TRUE Sikhs gets into Shim self, SHe sees all people around him as IDOLS of TRUTH. The moment SHE finds faults with other individuals, SHe stands rejected in Thy court.

• Majority of these IDOLs may be false. Only Rarest of the Rare will be TRUE.

• A TRUE Sikhs need to be first become TRUE to the Nanakeen philosophy of NAAM JAAN...NAAM DAAN & NAAM ISHNAAN.

• Only therafter SatGurBani will bless Shim with the intellact & wisdom to be able to identify TRUE from FALSE.

• Ham nahin Changyy bura nahin koy .....

• Mithat neevee nanka gun changiayian tatt......

• Aapan ko jo jany neecha ta ty ganiyy sab ty uchha....

• Being Creative, Nirbhau & Nirvyyr is the only one route to TRUE Sikhi..All other discussins are trivial best left for SatGurBani to handle who himself has created Patits & Manmukhs to test our level of Sikhi as is clear from the following commandment of SatGurBani....

Amal Gullyla kood da ditta dyvan haar......'.. SatGur (Thy TRUE name with closest TRUE english translation being 'TRUTH god') himself has made Manmukhs and commandments for TRUE Sikhs are .....

• bury da vee bhala kar gussa man na handa........

• jo toy mran mukkian tina na mry ghumm........

• Let us Sikhs do not deviate our mind from....the Khalsa culture of...
  • Sat Shiri Akaal( de moorat ho jee tusee).
  • NAAM JAAN....NAAM DAAN....NAAM ISHNAAN
  • Sift-Salah (sharing of TRUE IDEAs and singing glories to no one but human virtues...Daya..Dharam(NAAM JAAN,NAAM...DAAN & NAAM ISHNAAN)....Himmat, Leadership & accountability to SatGurBani
  • GurShabad Veechar
  • Aaap japyy.....Avryy naam japavyy
  • Gajj ky Bollo...Akha jor chupyy nahin jor
  • Jo (SatGurBani) boly so nihal.....
  • Khwar hoyy so millyy.gy, bchy (Khalsy dee) sharan jo hoyyy.

WaKaFa & Gur Ftyh --Mutia 21:21, 22 August 2007 (EDT)