Talk:Gurmukhi to English

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Please help me understand the pauris better. I'm having a lot of trouble finding many of the words in the pauris in the SikhiWiki Gurmukhi to English "dictionary" - apparently because they're in a different form in the pauris.

For example, take the 33rd pauri, AAKHAN JOR. I'm beginning my study of the pauris with this one, and trying to learn each word of this beautful scripture as deeply as possible. But the very first word, AAKHAN, isn't listed under the A section of the dictionary. After spending several days looking all over the web trying to figure it out, today I finally thought to look under K, and found "ਕਹ੝ - kahu - says (kehna - to say)." That seems like the word, but what form of the verb is it?

Thankfully, JOR is listed, but the next word, CHUPAI, isn't. I've searched Dictionary for the English words "silence," "quiet," "mute," etc, but found nothing. Where is CHUPAI? Please, there must be some form of this word in the dictionary, but I can't find it.

A simple list of all usages of each word, particularly verbs, would be very helpful. Just something like "AAKHAN ... [grammatical form] of KHENA, to say." And so forth. Or the various forms of the verb could be listed after the infinitive, so that they would be found by a browser search engine on the Dictionary page.

Japji sahib - pauri 33

Khalsa ji, This is how I research Gurbani:

From - Japji Sahib Pauri 33 click at page 7 at the top of the page - which gives you the text below:

ਆਖਣਿ ਜੋਰੁ ਚੁਪੈ ਨਹ ਜੋਰੁ ॥ आखणि जोरु चुपै नह जोरु ॥ Ākẖaṇ jor cẖupai nah jor. No power to speak, no power to keep silent.

ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਮੰਗਣਿ ਦੇਣਿ ਨ ਜੋਰੁ ॥ जोरु न मंगणि देणि न जोरु ॥ Jor na mangaṇ ḏeṇ na jor. No power to beg, no power to give.

ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਜੀਵਣਿ ਮਰਣਿ ਨਹ ਜੋਰੁ ॥ जोरु न जीवणि मरणि नह जोरु ॥ Jor na jīvaṇ maraṇ nah jor. No power to live, no power to die.

ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਰਾਜਿ ਮਾਲਿ ਮਨਿ ਸੋਰੁ ॥ जोरु न राजि मालि मनि सोरु ॥ Jor na rāj māl man sor. No power to rule, with wealth and occult mental powers.

ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਸੁਰਤੀ ਗਿਆਨਿ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ जोरु न सुरती गिआनि वीचारि ॥ Jor na surṯī gi▫ān vīcẖār. No power to gain intuitive understanding, spiritual wisdom and meditation.

ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਜੁਗਤੀ ਛੁਟੈ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥ जोरु न जुगती छुटै संसारु ॥ Jor na jugṯī cẖẖutai sansār. No power to find the way to escape from the world.

ਜਿਸੁ ਹਥਿ ਜੋਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਸੋਇ ॥ जिसु हथि जोरु करि वेखै सोइ ॥ Jis hath jor kar vekẖai so▫e. He alone has the Power in His Hands. He watches over all.


if you click on the Gurmukhi word ਆਖਣਿ that takes you to the page below:


Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia, Gurbani Dictionaries and Punjabi/English Dictionaries. Total of 2 results found! Type your word in English or Gurmukhi

SGGS Gurmukhi-Gurmukhi Dictionary ਆਖਣ ਵਿਚ; ਬੋਲਣ ਵਿਚ, ਆਖਣ ਨਾਲ, ਬਿਆਨ ਕਰਨ ਨਾਲ, ਆਖਣ ਨੂੰ। ਉਦਾਹਰਣ: ਆਖਣਿ ਆਖੈ ਬਕੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਇ॥ {ਆਸਾ ੩, ੪੩, ੩:੧ (362)}। ਕੇਤਾ ਆਖਣੁ ਆਖੀਐ ਆਖਣਿ ਤੋਟਿ ਨ ਹੋਇ॥ {ਸਿਰੀ ੧, ੧੧, ੨:੧ (18)}।

Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਆਖ੍ਯਾਨ. "ਆਖਣਿ ਆਖੈ ਬਕੈ ਸਭੁਕੋਇ". (ਆਸਾ ਮਃ ੩) ਆਖਣ ਨੂੰ. ਵ੍ਯਾਖ੍ਯਾ (ਵਿਆਖ੍ਯਾ) ਲਈ. "ਆਖਣਿ ਅਉਖਾ ਸਾਚਾ ਨਾਉ". (ਸੋਦਰੁ). Mahan Kosh data provided by Bhai Baljinder Singh (RaraSahib Wale); See http://www.ik13.com

which explains the meaning in Punjabi and also most of the time in English as well - unfortunately, in this case there is no English translation. The other Gurmukhi to English resource to try is the Punjabi University at Patiala - at number 2 below:

Dictionaries to try:

Dictionary 2 gives the result for ਆਖਣ to be "to say, tell, utter; to express; to ask; to recommend, plead or advance a suit"

I hope this will help you with your study of the Guru's word. This is the route I use to understand some of the difficult Gurmukhi word.

Obviously for a Punjabi speaker, they will probably know the meaning of the "aakhan" as it is a common Punjabi word. However, I appreciate that this will not apply to many readers of Gurbani who have fallen in love with it and are not from Punjabi background.

Wishing you the very best in your endeavours. If you experience any problems please email me as we will add more words to the list at Gurmukhi to English

Many thanks and kind regards, Hari Singhtalk 07:38, 13 September 2012 (CDT)