Talk:Polygamy in Sikhism: Difference between revisions

Wahaiguru ji ka khalsa Wahaiguru ji ki phteh Sab too phlan mein eh dasna chahunda haa ki saddi sikh rehayat maryada da source shri guru granth sahib ji hn. Atte. Guru granth sahib sanu hr pkhu mjboot krde hn.guru ji de aadesh juga lai atal hn. Atte iss lai bani na keval present but future nu dhyan rkhde hoi rchi gyi hai.. Agar assi guru sahib nuu dhyan naal priye taan kithe vii sikh te ehji condition nhi hai ki sikh keval ek viah kre ya ek isstri de hoindiya 2 ja viah nhi kr skda. Pr condition eh hai ki viah sexual desire vich aa ke naa kre. Iss lai agar ek viah vii kaam desire kr ke kitagya oh galat hai.. Aj mein net te vekhiya kii kyi logan nu sade 6th ate 10th patishah nal problem hai kyonki unah de 3 viah hoi. Jo ki galat gll hai. Saddi rehayat sanu mna nhi kr di ik to jyada viah.... maruada eh hai..---Pr narri nu buri nazar nal na vekhna. Mein tuhanu gurbani dii supporting denda haan... "hu tis ghol ghumaya pr naari de ner na jaave" "man re kon kumat te lini pr dara nindak sang rchiyo ram bhagat nhi kini" Similarly agar assi rehayat nama nand lal ji prde haa uthe vii ehi condition hai kis ikh ke pr naari nu buri nazar naal na vekhe. Kithe ii eh condition nhi ki sikh sirf 1marriag kr skda hai. Pr narri nu buri nazar naal na dekhe iss da matlab eh kte nhi kii apni isstri nu buri nazar naal vekhiye.. gurbani support krdi hai... "Iss dehi ko simreh dev" "Dhan pir oh naa akhiyan jo bhiyanikkthe hoiye" "Rop ras ras mas ehte ras srir ke taa kh ghat ram nivas" Iss lai sanu apne guru nu kde vii injh nhi smjhna ki unhan ne rehayat dii palna nhi kiti.. Eh ta baad vich sikh panth ne rehyat bnai ki ek sikh ek isstri de hundiyan dujja viah naa kre. Eh maryada sade guru ji di ditti nhi pr sikh panth vich prchlit hai ate acceptable hai...o

Dear admin reply must on number of marriage by a sikh

Dear admin veer ji u have given refference of Bhai gurdas ji vaar. They are nt above Guru granth sahib. Guru gobind singh has given gurgaddi to Guru granth sahib. If u take bhai gurdas ji vaar as fully reliable then perhapes u have to say our guru were wrong . and they have not followed sikh rehayat. In dasam grath we come to know our 10th guru has 3 wife like guru hargobind singh

Example:-In school time we make our notes of what teacher tought us. they are interpretation of teaching of teacher. Similarly bhai gurdass ji prepare notes of what they teach from guru. We can say he were the monitor of class but not leader to follow. I have heard a katha wherein Bhai gurdaas ji start reciting his own vaars to be away from fear while bathing in amritsar. But he feel he is getting in more trouble..Then ge start reciting gurbani and get free. (katha of giani harjinder singh on raagmal from gurmatveechar.com)

Dear Veer ji

In Dasam Granth, NO WHERE, it is mentioned that Guru Gobind Singh had three wives and no where Dasam Granth promotes Single/Two or n Number of marriages.

If you think there is than please submit Dohra, Sortha, Chopai or Reference from Dasam Bani which supports your comment, then we could have vichar on it.

Moreover, Veer Ji on one side you are saying Guru Gobind Singh ji given Gurgaddi to his Guru i.e Guru Granth Sahib, on other hand you are mentioning Dasam Granth here?

It is Sikh History/Memorials which tells Guru Gobind Singh have three wives.

Dear admin veer ji Wahaiguri ji ka khalsa wahai guru ji ki phteh

Agar assi bhai gurdass ji vaar dhyan naal priye ta...uthe eh likhiya hai... "ek naari jatti hoye pr narri dhi bhaiyan bhkhane"

Issda arth bda glt hovega---- 1) sikh lai ik naari jatti krna jrori hai. kyonki word hai-"ek". Bhai gurdaas ji da ta viah hii nhi hoia sii. Ate sade 8th guru da vi viah nhi hoia sii.

2) Agar ik sikh dii ptni akaal chlana kr gyi taa oh dujja viah nhi kr skda kyonki word hai---sirf "ek"

Iss lai bhai gurdass ji dii vaar sadii guru nhi hn....

Historical granth which support marriage of guru- 1) Giani gian singh - Twarikh khalsa 2) Bhai santokh singh- Suraj Parkash 3) Sr. kahan singh nabha- Mahan kosh

Dear veer ji

I have not read Dasam granth sahib. But i have heard katha from Giani Pinderpal singh ji. In suraj parkash granth also we come to know that our 6th and 10th guru have 3 wives. Dear veer ji In Whole Guru granth sahib it is not mentioned that a sikh cannt have more than one wife . Morever our rehayat maryada also allow it. In rehayat maryada it is written that--"aam haltan vich ek sikh ik isstri de hundian dunja viah nhi kr skda". It mean in very exceptional circumstance after taking hukum from guru ji and punj piyarre a sikh an marry again. but purpose of marriage should be away from "kam,kroth,lobh,moh,ahnkar". . Even 1st marriage should not be done to get sexual desire. Our guru baani give importance to change the thinking of person (Mann). Our guru does not impose restriction on our Tann. As per guru agar bande daa maan ghrya hai taa uste sharirik restriction di jrurat nhi....jo assi kakkar paye ne eh sirf eh darshande ne ---eh mann assi apna sara srir guru nu vech ditta hai. In entire guru granth sahib it is said--- 1) "mann re kon kumat tei lini pr dara nindak sang rchio ram bhagay nhi kini" 2) "gobind hum aise apradhi pr dhan pr tan pr ki ninda"

ethe eh vekhan yog hai ki guru ji ne word "pr" use kite ne.Atte rehayat eh bandi hai----- 1) Sikh kadde pr isstri nu burri nazar nal naa vekhe. 2) sikh kde vii marriage kaam vich aa ke na kre-even single. 3).Kyonki guru ji de 3 viah as a regular vich nhi hoie sirf 6th atte 10 th jamme vich hoie..iss lai sikh ik viah te hii pkka rhe ...Agar koi exceptional circumstance hon ge taa guru aape hukum devega...

Veer JI

Veer Ji, I have studied maximum part of Dasam Granth Sahib and i have not found anything related to Guru Gobind Singh or Hargobind Ji's marriage, that's why i was asking lines from you.

• I agree with this fact that in Sikh History, it is mentioned that Guru Gobind Singh had three wives, even we have memorials existed related to cremation of all three Mothers, Wives of Guru Gobind Singh. It is not about Guru Only, if you will find history of Gursikhs, you will get many practise polygamy. Even during Sikh Rule, Emp. Ranjit Singh also had multiple wives.

• Today, due to cultural differences, we may think it to be illogical. Moreover many question arose when we see problems in our society, How a man can give justice to more then one woman? Man == Woman , so woman could also have multiple husbands? Woman could not share his man with other woman, Jealousy factor?

• IPC is right, To marry one, then there is no problem in that. We know sex ratio today here in india and female foeticide, it may be problem in future, we need to import wives here from other countries as shown in attachment -> Click here :)

So my viewpoint is

• DO NOT COMPARE COMMON LOW THOUGHT PEOPLE TO SUPREME THOUGHT PERSONALITIES

Even, In case of Mulim Brothers, they have verse in quran which says If you will not do justice between them then marry only one:

And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.(Surah 4 Verse 3)

This does not mean that every muslim keep Four women with them. Justice is main part here, if they cannot doe justice they are spoiled.

then as per bhai gurdaas ji vaar maharaja ranjit singh & 6th guru & 8th guru & 10 guru has gone to perish........ It is very wrong...These vaars need to be ammended immediately.

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dhanwaad..... you have resolved my querry ...... Again thanks to www.sikhiwiki.org Wahaiguru ji ka khalsa Wahaiguru ji ki phteh

I also expect from u to help me as and when needed.....thanwaad thanwaad