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Hari ji, some problems see below. | Hari ji, some problems see below. | ||
bqIh sulKxI scu sMqiq pUq | bqIh sulKxI scu sMqiq pUq <font color=green>==> [http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=371&punjabi=t&id=16999#l16999 ਬਤੀਹ ਸਲਖਣੀ ਸਚ ਸੰਤਤਿ ਪੂਤ] SGGS page 371 </font color> | ||
Hari ji, the words above are defaulting. | Hari ji, the words above are defaulting. | ||
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According to Sikhism God has no body, no gentilia and hence no | According to Sikhism God has no body, no gentilia and hence no | ||
sex, 162 He is all–soul and unborn. To label Him as male or female | sex, 162 He is all–soul and unborn. To label Him as male or female | ||
is patently absurd. Similarly one and the same conscious self is | is patently absurd. Similarly one and the same conscious self is [[similarly one and the same conscious self is // is what?]] <font color=green>Please see article - following text added </font color> | ||
You may be able to tell what the words in red below are suposed to say. | You may be able to tell what the words in red below are suposed to say. | ||
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Guru Nanak set an example when he began addressing his wife | Guru Nanak set an example when he began addressing his wife | ||
“Parjat” (fulfiller of all desires).138 He always addressed his wife | “Parjat” (fulfiller of all desires).138 He always addressed his wife | ||
lovingly as [[prmySr kIey sul`KxIeyN]] (My dear blessed | lovingly as [[prmySr kIey sul`KxIeyN]] <font color=green>==> ( ਪਰਮੇਸ਼ਰ ਕੀਝ ਸਲੱਖਣੀਝਂ ) (parmasar key sulkhani) (lit. Sulakhni of the Lord) </font color> (My dear blessed | ||
Sulakhni). Guru Arjan Dev wrote: “She is the most noble of all | Sulakhni). Guru Arjan Dev wrote: “She is the most noble of all | ||
the family. She counsels and advises the elders and youngers. | the family. She counsels and advises the elders and youngers. | ||
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are as good as a bachelor”.142 | are as good as a bachelor”.142 | ||
The Guru calls a wife [[bqIh sulKxI scu sMqiq pUq]] | The Guru calls a wife [[bqIh sulKxI scu sMqiq pUq]] <font color=green>==>same as above ie: ਬਤੀਹ ਸਲਖਣੀ ਸਚ ਸੰਤਤਿ ਪੂਤ (having thirty two qualities) ([http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=371&punjabi=t&id=16999#l16999 page 371]) </font color> | ||
(having thirty two qualities) (page 371) | |||
===Celibacy=== | ===Celibacy=== | ||
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and did not dare murmur a word against them. | and did not dare murmur a word against them. | ||
Should the above lines be - people, in their superstitous ignorance, feared their claims of | |||
miraculous powers and did not dare murmur a word against them. | miraculous powers and did not dare murmur a word against them. <font color=green>- yes this I believe is what this means.</font color> | ||
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I assume that when Bhai Gurdas writes - “With one wife you | I assume that when Bhai Gurdas writes - “With one wife you are as good as a bachelor”.142 | ||
are as good as a bachelor”.142 | |||
that all bachelors are expected to be celibate. | that all bachelors are expected to be celibate.<font color=green> - I am not sure what Bhai sahib means here. I will try and find the full verse and perhaps that will throw more light. </font color> | ||
[[User:Allenwalla|Allenwalla]] 07:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC) | [[User:Allenwalla|Allenwalla]] 07:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
Latest revision as of 09:12, 12 February 2010
Hari ji, some problems see below.
bqIh sulKxI scu sMqiq pUq ==> ਬਤੀਹ ਸਲਖਣੀ ਸਚ ਸੰਤਤਿ ਪੂਤ SGGS page 371
Hari ji, the words above are defaulting.
I have changed these lines in the copy below, as I realize they are hard to see in edit box as this was copied from a narrow magazine column.
According to Sikhism God has no body, no gentilia and hence no
sex, 162 He is all–soul and unborn. To label Him as male or female
is patently absurd. Similarly one and the same conscious self is similarly one and the same conscious self is // is what? Please see article - following text added
You may be able to tell what the words in red below are suposed to say.
Woman as wife
It was very necessary in the times of the Sikh Gurus to restore respect to the wives and consider them equal and praiseworthy. Guru Nanak set an example when he began addressing his wife “Parjat” (fulfiller of all desires).138 He always addressed his wife lovingly as prmySr kIey sul`KxIeyN ==> ( ਪਰਮੇਸ਼ਰ ਕੀਝ ਸਲੱਖਣੀਝਂ ) (parmasar key sulkhani) (lit. Sulakhni of the Lord) (My dear blessed Sulakhni). Guru Arjan Dev wrote: “She is the most noble of all the family. She counsels and advises the elders and youngers.
Sikhs were restricted from treating women as playthings. They were to consider women other than their wives as daughters, sisters, and mothers depending on their ages.141 The ideal situation was described by Bhai Gurdas when he wrote “With one wife you are as good as a bachelor”.142
The Guru calls a wife bqIh sulKxI scu sMqiq pUq ==>same as above ie: ਬਤੀਹ ਸਲਖਣੀ ਸਚ ਸੰਤਤਿ ਪੂਤ (having thirty two qualities) (page 371)
Celibacy
Celibacy was a cloak for licentiousness and profligacy and the so-called saints, sidhs, monks, and yogis were corrupting the society. .146 People feared their noised about miraculous powers and did not dare murmur a word against them.
Should the above lines be - people, in their superstitous ignorance, feared their claims of miraculous powers and did not dare murmur a word against them. - yes this I believe is what this means.
I assume that when Bhai Gurdas writes - “With one wife you are as good as a bachelor”.142
that all bachelors are expected to be celibate. - I am not sure what Bhai sahib means here. I will try and find the full verse and perhaps that will throw more light.
Allenwalla 07:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
