Whaeguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki fateh
Bhai Sahib ji, Welcome to Sikhiwiki, as one of the users who contribute to this site, I chanced to log on and saw your addition to the page on Nihangs. You are one of the people who have written on this site, and you are invited, (Hari ji, the moderator of this site will soon welcome you formally) to improve each article.
Comments such as you have made are usually done in the discussion section of each page. Reading your comments I am confused as I don't know what sentence or statement is offensive. I have moved your concerns to the discussion page. You can easily find out who said what - when they said it, etc., in the history by clicking on the last change and working your way backwards. When you find something questionable, please contact the user (their user name will appear in the history - just click on their talk button and leave them a message, they will get a notice, like the one this should get yourself. Please!, when you post a comment, sight the sentence or paragraph/s you question or rewrite the material yourself.
Re: your comments, right after where you added your comment, page/Ang 15, of the SGGS is quoted - the Guru Sahib is very clear!
Again welcome, please contribute.
Rab Rakha, Allenwalla 13:28, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
ps: I couldn't tell if you were advocating the use of Bhang or not.
Query by Ramgar
I do not know who is writing these articles with the above tone but Sikhs were against all intoxicants of the time that were not deemed spiritual. Yes some will abuse opium and cannabis but noble men did things properly in that time and age. The holy book nor the teachings of the Gurus explicitly prohibit cannabis. It is a relatively new political phenomena to stigmatise, moralise the use of cannabis and opium when it was once a natural legal substance in the West. Real Indians in India see these products of nature differently.
I am not sure the tone of Sikhi Wiki is entirely respectful of the Sikh history and the wars that were fought by truly noble men for the peace of all men.
We do not hold to religion to think we are better or narrow a persons view. Nor are the ancient facets of sikism to be moralised by ignorance or prejudice.
Go and have another whisky the people who write this User:Ramgar
Response by Hari Singhtalk
- Q1. I do not know who is writing these articles
- A1. As explained by Allenwallatalk (see first section on this page), please click on the history tab at the top of the article to see details of the contributors to the article.
- Q2. The holy book nor the teachings of the Gurus explicitly prohibit cannabis
- A2. Yes, the holy book and the present Guru prohibits cannabis or bhang and in very clear terms - see Gurbani below:
|ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛਲੀ ਸਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਝ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥|
|kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi. tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi. ॥233॥|
|Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine
- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ॥233॥
- It is clear from this couplet from page 1377 of Guru Granth Sahib that people who engage in the activities of taking alcoholic drinks like wine, beer, whisky, gin, vodka, etc; or taking bhang or other intoxicating drugs like marijuana, hemp (cannabis), opium, tobacco; and eating fish, perhaps meat as well ie: killing other animals JUST simply to satisfy their taste buds will go to 'rasaatal' which literally means "below earth" - ie Narrk or hell - meaning they will not go to heaven or attain union with God!
- Q3. It is a relatively new political phenomena to stigmatise, moralise the use of cannabis and opium when it was once a natural legal substance in the West
- A3. I don't understand what you mean? Does it matter to a Sikh if it was a legal substance in the West or not? Is he or she not to look to Gurbani for spiritual guidance and not to whether it is legal to consume in the West? Just because alcohol is legal in the West, can a Sikh be justified to consume it on religious grounds?
- Q4. I am not sure the tone of Sikhi Wiki is entirely respectful of the Sikh history and the wars that were fought by truly noble men for the peace of all men.
- A4. SikhiWiki is always respectful of the truth and keeps as close to Gurmat (message of Gurbani) as is possible. Whether one is noble or not depends on ones stand point. It may be argued that ide Amin of Uganda, thought it was "noble" to kill innocent Asians; however, the rest of the world thinks otherwise. As Sikhs we take our stand from the point of view of Gurmat - The viewpoint of Gurbani. To fight over territory or to fight while intoxicated with bhang is not in my opinion a noble stand.
Q5. We do not hold to religion to think we are better or narrow a persons view. Nor are the ancient facets of sikism to be moralised by ignorance or prejudice.
A5. This statement cannot apply to SikhiWiki and its contributors as we do not regard our views as narrow or just personal; nor are we ignorant or prejudiced in this respect; we are here to promote Sikhi values as taught by the Sikh Gurus.