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** Why not you create and article on Similarities between Vedas and Guru Granth Sahib quoting all Hymns ([[Vedas and Guru Granth Sahib]]), instead of writing Abstract statement. It will be appreciated. Thanks ([[User:NihangKhalsa|NihangKhalsa]] ([[User talk:NihangKhalsa|talk]]) 20:32, 10 February 2018 (MST))
** Why not you create and article on Similarities between Vedas and Guru Granth Sahib quoting all Hymns ([[Vedas and Guru Granth Sahib]]), instead of writing Abstract statement. It will be appreciated. Thanks ([[User:NihangKhalsa|NihangKhalsa]] ([[User talk:NihangKhalsa|talk]]) 20:32, 10 February 2018 (MST))
== Similarities between holy Vedas and Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ==
As requested by Nihang Khalsa Ji I am providing following hymns from Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to prove that Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is nothing but essence of holy Vedas.
The Sikh gurus, in the turbulent times, lit the lamp of Vedic wisdom and
steered the society towards the fundamental tenets of our culture – rationalism,
actions and compassion.
Often their is dispute over whether Sikhism is part of Hinduism or a separate
religion. In my view, this is a meaningless debate. Because the word Hinduism
has different connotations. From a western mindset, Hinduism represents a mix of
very specific rituals associated with casteism, gender discrimination and idol
worship. If this be Hinduism, then Sikhs are definitely not Hindus.
However, if Hinduism is considered to mean the culture that is inspired from
the philosophy of Vedas, then perhaps not many sects are more Hindu than Sikhs.
Sikhism represents the message of Vedas in simple language of layman.
Let us see what makes Sikhism an extremely pure representation of Vedic
wisdom (We shall ignore later day aberrations and focus on the key message of
the noble Gurus):
– Sikhism rejects birth-based casteism and believes in equality of all
– Sikhism believes in gender equality
– Sikhism believes in protection of cows because it is one of the most useful
gifts of God to humans
– Sikhism believes in actions as means to achieve God. Thus they reject
withdrawal from life.
– Sikhism believes in one single timeless shapeless omnipresent God whose
best name is Onkaar (Om + Kaar). This is almost verbatim translation of
Yajurveda 40.8.
– Sikhism believes in theory of Karma and rebirth
– Sikhism refuses the concept of Heaven/ Hell and believe in salvation as
ultimate goal
– Sikhism believes in Nama Smaran or understanding the names and properties
of God as way to achieve Him
– Sikhism considers Maya or ignorance as obstacle to salvation and urges to
eradicate it through devotion, noble actions and knowledge
– Sikhism takes it as our utmost duty to fight against injustice of any kind.
The lives of Sikh gurus exemplify this.
– Sikhism considers entire humanity as one family and refuses to have
different treatments for people of different beliefs and religions.
The list can continue further. Note that if you replace Sikhism in above
lines with ‘Vedic Dharma’ you would realize that the points still hold
valid.
Further, the Guru Granth Sahib very clearly elucidates on the glory of
Vedas:
1. God created Vedas (Onkaar ved nirmaye- Rag Ramkali Mahla
1 Onkar Shabd 1)
2. With order of God Vedas were created so that humans can decide what is
virtue and sin (Hari aagya hoye Ved paap punya vichaariya- Maru
Dakhne Mahla 5 Shabd 17)
3. No one can value the importance of Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and
Atharvaveda (Sam Ved, Rig, Yajur, Atharvan brahme mukh maaiya hai
traigun, taakee keemat kah na sakai ko….- Marusolahe Mahla 1 Shabd
17)
4. God created day, night, forests, greenery, water and 4 Vedas that are like
4 treasures (Chaar Ved chaare khaani- Rag Maru Mahla 5 Shabd
17)
5. How can glory of Vedas be stated whose knowledge is without end
(Ved vakhaan kahahi ik kahiye, oh ve ant ant kin lahiye- Vasant
Ashtapadiyan Mahla 1.3)
6. Of the infinite texts, Vedas are the best (Asankh granth mukhi Ved
paath- Japuji 17)
7. All the Shastras, Vedas and ancient texts describe the Supreme Lord
(Smriti sastra Ved puraan paar brahm ka karahi vakhiyaan- Gaund
Mahla 5 Shabd 17)
8. Noble persons elucidate the glory of Vedas but unfortunate people do not
understand (Ved bakhiyaan karat saadhujan bhaagheen samjhat nahi
khalu- Todi Mahla 5 Shabd 26)
9. Study of Vedas enhances knowledge by blessings of God (Kahant Veda
gunant guniya…- Sahaskriti Mahla 5.14)
10. Analysis of Vedas, Shastras and ancient texts enriches the entire family
and makes them lucky (Ved puran saasatr vichaaram…. badbhaagi Naanak ko
taaram- Gatha Mahla 5.20)
11. Vedas describe the glory of one God (Kal mein ek naam kripaanidhi
… ih vidhi Ved bataavai- Rag Sortha Mahla 9 Shabd 5)
12. Do not say that Vedas are false. False are those people who do not
analyze (Ved katev kahahu mat jhoothe jhootha jo na vichaare-
Rag Prabhati Kabirji Shabd 3)
13. Those who studied Vedas were called Vedis. They initiated noble virtuous
acts. Listening to Rigveda, Samveda, Yajurveda and Atharveda destroyed all sins.
(Jinai Ved padhyo suvedi kahaaye… Padhe Sam Vedam Yajur Ved Kattham
Rigam Ved paathayam kare bhaav hattham… Atharav Ved pathayam suniyo paap
nathiyam…- Dasham Guru Granth Sahib Vichitra Natak Adhyaya 4)
To check more examples of glory of Vedas in Guru Granth Sahib refer the
following:
14. Chauth upaaye chaare Veda- Rag Bilawal Mahla 1 Thiti
15. Chache chaar Ved jin saaje chaare khani chaar juga- Rag Asa Mahla 1 Pati
Likhi Shabd 9
16. Oordh mool jis saakh talaaha chaar Ved jit laage- Gujri Ashtapadiyan
Mahla 1.1
17. Chare Ved hoye sachiyaar- Asadi Var Mahla 1 Var 13
18. Chaturved mukh vachni uchre- Rag Gaudi Mahla 5 Shabd 164
19. Chaturved pooran hari naai Ramkali Mahla 5  Shabd 17
20. Chaar pukaarahi na tu maane Ramkali Mahla 5 Shabd 12
21. Chaar Ved jihwa bhane- Rag Sarang Mahla 5 Shabd 131
22. Brahme ditte Ved Rag Malar Var Mahla 2 Var 3
23. Chaare Ved Brahme kau diye padh padh kare vichari- Rag Asa Mahla 3 Shabd
22
24. Chaare Ved Brahme np furmaayia- Maaru Solahe 3.22
25. Chaare deeve chahu hath diye eka eki vaari- Vasant Hindol 1.1
26. Vedu pukaare vaachiye vaani brahm biaas- Shreeraag Ashtpadiyan 1.7
27. Vedan ganh bole sach koi- Maajh Vaar Mahla 1 Vaar 12
28. Deeva jale andhera jaai Ved paath mati paapan khaai- Raag Suhi
29. Ved pukaarai punn paap surag narak ka veeu- Raag Saarang Vaar 1.16
30. Gurumukhi parche Ved vichari- Raag Ramkali Sidh Gosht Shabd 28
31. Puchhahu Ved pandatiyaan muthi vin maane- Rag Maaru Ashtpadiyan 1.6
32. Man hath kine na paaiyo puchhahu Vedaam jaai- Shri Raag Vaar 3.10
33. Smriti saasat Ved vakhaanai bharmai bhoola tat na jaanai- Rag Maajh
Ashtpadiyan 3.18
34. Veda mahi naam uttam so- Rag Ramkali Mahla 3 Aanand 19
35. Hari jeeu ahankaar n bhaavai Ved kook sunaavahi- Rag Maaru 3.9
36. Jugi jugi aapo aapna dharm hai sodh dekhahu Ved puraan- Rag Vilaaval
3.4
37. Saasat Ved puraan pukaarahi dharam karahu shat karam dradaiya- Vilaaval
Mahla 4.2
38. Naanak vichaarahi sant jan chaar Ved kahande- Rag Gaudi Vaar 4.12
39. Vaani brahm Ved dharam dradahu paap tajaaiya bal raam jeeu- Suhi Chhant
4.2
40. Das ath chaar Ved sabh poochhahu jan naanak naam chhudaai jeeu- Maaru
4.8
41. Smrat saasat Ved vakhaane jog gyaansidh sukh jaane- Rag Gaudi 5.111
42. Ved puraan smrat bhane- Gaudi 5.144
43. Saasat smrat Ved vichaare mahaapurushan iu kahiya- Rag Gaudi 5.162
44. Ved saasat jan pukaarahi sunai nahi dora- Rag Aasa 5.152
45. Saasat Ved smriti sabhi….- Gujri 5.2
46. Chaar pukaarahi na tu maanahi- Ramkali 5.12
47. Kahant Veda gunant guniya- Salok sahaskriti Mahla 5.14
48. Ved puraan saasatr vichaaram- Gatha Mahla 5.20
49. Ved puraan saadh sang- Rag Gaudi 9.6
50. Ved puraan padhai ko ih gun simre hari ko naama- Rag Gaudi 9.7
51. Ved puraan jaas gun gaavat taako naam hiye mein dhar re- Gaudi 9.9
52. Ved puraan smriti ke mat sun nimash na hiye vasaavai- Rag Sorath 9.7
Source of Information : [[https://santoshbhatt.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/sikh-gurus-vedas-and-hinduism/]]

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'== Sikh religion == Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. Today is my 1st day at this forum and so excuse me for all the mistakes I make while writing my questions. I work in a public school system in Virginia and is the only Sikh male maintaining my sikhi saroop in the system. I have a teacher who is doing masters in Religion Studies and so is interested in the answers of his following question about Sikhism. I would greatly appreciate help from anyone who can answer any of his questions at the earliest possible. I do not fully understand his questions and also not that good in English and so seek your help. Here under is the teacher's email to me. Hi Mr. Singh, This is Beau Obetts from Yorktown. I had asked you if I could interview you for a class I am taking about religion since we need to interview people of different faiths. If you are okay with this, could you please send me answers to the questions listed below in the next few days? If you would rather do an in person interview that is fine too, just let me know when you are available. Also, if you can't do it, please let me know as soon as possible. Finally, if there are any questions you feel uncomfortable answering please feel free to skip them. Thanks for your help. Beau 1) What are some of the main rules your religion gives for living an ethical life? How do you go about living a good life? Are there rules your religion accepts that you reject? 2) What does your religion say about salvation and the afterlife? What do you believe about the afterlife? 3) How does your religion deal with the question "Why do good things happen to bad people?" <br>Do you accept any of the answers offered by your religion? If not, how would you address the issue? 4) Are there any other ways that your personal belief differs from the official doctrine of your religion? 5) Do you have any favorite passage(s) from the scripture of your religion? If so, why does it appeal to you? Satgurji Aap Sab Te Mehar Karan Ji. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Rajinder Singh * Please read the reply [[User talk:Rsb.apb|''' here''']] == 2nd battle of Chamkaur (transferred from Help:Format a page by HS) == We are pleased to note an exhaustive account of battle of Chamkaur Sahib in your esteemed Sikhiwiki website. Indeed it is a painstaking work from your side. We congratulate you over this magnificent outcome. The period of 2nd battle of Chamkaur is 21,22 and 23 Dec., l705. In Bikrmi, it is 6,7,8 Poh l76l The Evacuation of Anandpur Sahib is on the night of 20th Dec., l705. The 300th year Martyrdom celebrations of two elder Sahibzadas were commemorated on 2l,22 and 23 December 2004, at Chamkaur Sahib, at National level, by Panjab Government led by Capt. Amarinder Singh. Similarly, the300th year Martyrdom celebrations of two younger Sahibzadas of Guru Gobind Singh were commemorated in the last week of Dec.,2004 at Fatehgarh Sahib (Sirhind) Sikhiwiki website needs some corrections in Second Battle of Chamkaur Sahib. We mention as under:- 1. Wazir Khan (Suba Sirhind) did not participate in this battle. Mughal Generals –Nahar Khan, Gairat Khan and Khawaja Mohammed Murdud participated in this battle. 2. Departure of Guru’s entourage from Anandpur Sahib is on 20th Dec.,l705 in the night. 3. Battle at Sarsa rivulet is at the dawn of 2lst Dec.,l705. It is few miles away from Kiratpur Sahib towards Ropar. Parwar Vichhora happened in that commotion. 4. Arrival at Chamkaur is in the afternoon of 2lst Dec.,l705. 5. Guru along with two elder Sahibzadas , 5 Piaras and 40 Sikhs took charge of Kachi Garhi of Chamkaur in the evening of 21st Dec., l705. 6. The distance between Ropar and Chamkaur Sahib is l6 KMs. 7. Kachi Garhi was owned by Bhai Budhi Chand and some record it of Chaudhry Roop Chand and Jagat Singh. The descendents of Roop Chand and Jagat Singh are still there in Chamkaur Sahib. 8. Guru Gobind Singh visited Chamkaur in l759(Bikrmi) for the first time, 2 years before the 2nd battle of Chamkaur. At the behest of hilly Rajas, a Mughal contingent led by Sardar Sayad Beg and Alif Khan attacked Guru in l759(Bikrmi) , at a place called Ranjitgarh in Chamkaur. They were defeated by the Sikhs. 9. The Kachi Garhi was besieged by l0 lac Mughal Army. Guru has himself penned in the Zafarnamah.There should be no doubt in it. This battle was fought by Mughals along with hilly Rajas.Ere to it, several battles had taken place between Guru and Mughals in the past. The Mughals were aware of Guru’s strength. Hence this strength. 10. When Saragarhi post of 2l soldiers could be attacked by l0,000 Pathans in l897 why it cannot be l0 lacs in battle of Chamkaur. To conjecture a figure of 700 or l000, in the siege of Kachi Garhi is not a justice to the unique battle of Chamkaur. 11. The figure and names of 40 martyrs of Kachi Garhi as given by S. Kahan Singh Nabha are taken as authentic. Figure given by SGPC in 2004 was not in fact correct. It was later withdrawn by SGPC itself. The credible figure of martyrs is 40 Sikhs and two Sahibzadas. In the Theme Park of Chamkaur 42 Pillars of Rock installed in the Open Air Theatre, are indication of that. 12. Vastar and Shastar and Kalgi was given to Bhai Sangat Singh by Guru Gobind Singh at the time of leaving Kachi Garhi of Chamkaur. From History point, it is now a settled issue. 13. On 23rd Dec., the day of l705, Bhai Sangat Singh alongwith other remaining Sikhs sacrificed their lives in the battlefield of Chamkaur. 14. While leaving Chamkaur at dead of night of 22-23 Dec.,l705, Guru uttered the words “Peer-e-hind mei ravad.” The same site is now known as Tari Sahib a few furlong from Gurudwara Katil Garh Sahib,Chamkaur. 15. The Saka Chamkaur Theme Park is in ruins. Its Construction is stalled since 2007. Politics has taken toll of it. Kindly examine the above at your end. Sri Chamkaur Sahib Development Forum is engaged in the all round development of the historic town and elaqa, since December 2003. Despite setbacks,it has, at its credit, a legacy of good work done. Thanks, Yours sincerely, ( Rajinder Singh Delhi) Patron == Kara and the Sacred Thread? == I was born into a Sikh family. As I grew up, I was forced to take Punjabi classes and Kirtan classes at my local Gurdwara. As a result, I also learned a lot about my religion; I’ve attended lectures, read books and biographies and been to spiritual classes. And after all that, I have to say, I still don’t completely believe in my religion. Guru Nanak Dev Ji, said the words, “Na ko-ee Hindu, Na ko-ee Musalman,” which means, No one is hindu, no one is muslim. His meaning was to explain that everyone is equal. There is no religion that divides us; we are all human. So my question is, why on earth would he go start a new religion? That would simply cause further divide, and he was trying to get people to unite. His message was simply to love everyone, love one god, and help the poor and needy. There is a story about Guru Nanak Dev Ji that I remember particularly well, and it’s called “The Sacred Thread.” The story explains that Guru Nanak Dev Ji, who was born into a Hindu family, was supposed to tie this thread around his wrist for religious purposes during a religious ceremony. However, he stopped the priest and asked him, “How is this thread sacred? Will it go with me when I go to God when I die? I will wear something that goes with my soul if you have it, for otherwise it is meaningless.” Now I don’t remember the exact phrasing he said, but that was the general idea. Now compare this to the Sikh Kara… and ask the same questions. It won’t go with you when you die. It is simply a bracelet. Of course you could make the argument that it is the symbolic meaning of the Kara that makes people wear it. But comparing it to Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the sacred thread, I see far too many similarities between them. I’m sure the sacred thread had an important meaning too, but as Guru Nanak Dev Ji explained, it was simply that, a meaning, and not really sacred. At the end of the day, it is simply a bracelet that you wear, and doesn’t reflect your soul that will go to God and be judged. I believe you should wear the meanings you want to reflect in this world on your soul and try to live true to them, for those will be judged when we leave this Earth. If God exists, that is; but that’s another discussion. Yet Sikhi has changed so much from Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Guru Gobind Singh Ji, who had introduced Khalsa, and the five K’s, including the Kara. I can understand that it was a different time and Guru Gobind Singh Ji wanted symbols to unite his people, but regardless of that fact, I don’t believe true followers of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, or Sikhs, should try to divide themselves from everyone else, for as he said, we are all one. Sikhism as presented by Guru Nanak Dev Ji, provides me more insight into life than anything else I have ever encountered about Sikhism. Loving everyone, treating everyone equally, and remembering that we are all human, not separate religions or castes. If anyone has any other opinions or insight that they could provide me, I welcome them. I’ve just had these thoughts for a very long time and I genuinely want to ask other Sikhs what they think of them. I am not trying to attack my faith, but rather understand it. Thank you for your time and consideration. Since this page can be edited by anyone, including my original questions and points, I'd like to post a link to my tumblr page where I had originally written this: www.thebenjaminbuttonmind.tumblr.com/post/153226352047/sikhism to be sure nothing is changed. I have written it in the format where an established user will review and activate the link in the next day or so, because it is not a harmful link. I was warned "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don't submit it here." by this page, so I am simply trying to protect my discussion. ===Reply by Hari Singh=== Dear Manveer ji, [[Kara]] and [[Janoo]] - the sacred thread: See article [[Guru Nanak and the Sacred Thread]] I believe that you missed the main 2 points made by the [[Guru]] when he refused to wear the [[Janoo]] - the sacred thread. This thread was a symbol for the promotion of discrimination. A janoo cannot be worn if your are a female or if you are a non-[[brahmin]] or a person of a lower caste. A woman was barred from wearing a janoo. Similarly a non-brahmin or 'Sudar' was not allowed to participate in the janoo ceremony or wear the sacred thread. With due respect, this was the reason why the Guru refused to wear the 'sacred thread'. I think you were not explained the situation in the correct context and you may have missed that main purpose for the Guru refusing to wear this symbol. An evil and degrading symbol which was meant to elevate the '''male brahmin''' to a higher social level compared to all the others in that society. Clearly that cannot be right. [[Guru Nanak]] believed in the equality of all humans and could not allow this ceremony to continue. Accordingly, although still a child, he refused to participate in this ceremony as it was a symbol of discrimination and segregation of section of the same community. As a child he challenged the establishment and the promotion of this degrading cultural tradition. A [[kara]] on the other hand can be worn by any Sikh - male, female, black, white, high caste or of no caste, etc. So it is not a symbol of discrimination within the Sikh community - It is a symbol which promotes unity and non-discrimination; it promotes equality and unification of the human race. It is a symbol of unification and promotion of equality; it displaces segregation and sexual discrimination. In fact anyone who respects [[Sikhism]] and Sikh values can wear a [[kara]]. The message of [[Guru Nanak]] is the same as the message of [[Guru Gobind Singh]]. All the [[Sikh gurus]] have shown the same path to obtain a better spiritual life. Each Guru has shown how the Sikh principles have to be applied to the circumstances of the time. As the world became more violent, the Sikhs had to modify their behaviour and carry arms to protect themselves, defend the weak and promote righteousness. I hope this has provided you with some clarification. Please feel free to ask any questions if required. {{SSA}} [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 01:11, 26 November 2016 (CST) == Welcome my loves! == Welcome to the one and only, sikhiwiki site on the planet! == Chaunki / black magic == I want to ask about people who say some baba, especially like peer baba, come inside them and they do chaunki or para on some particular day... they also say whatever they say at that time is true. Is there something really like that or they are fooling people to grab their attention?? And what is the reality behind those upa or black magic which some fake babas do? Does it really affect people ?? ===Reply=== Most of this supernatural stuff is rubbish and an act to create a mystery and a situation of doubt and intrigue in the audience. Gurbani deals with these things in detail. Other spirits and black magic do exist but all are subject to the laws of nature. These spirits do not have more power than God or than you necessarily. As always, Waheguru will protect you as always. These spirits are all slaves of the Almighty and subject to Waheguru's hukam. If you have a strong faith in Waheguru, nothing can harm you or have any influence on you. Hope this helps. Gurfateh. Chardikala, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 14:12, 21 March 2017 (CDT) == Pandit == Hi, how much truth is in all those things which pandits say after observing your kundli. Is there something like kundli, like whatever is written is true or not according to our birth date? Also I am married for 5 years now, but no child. What to do, I am really confused. Is there any particular Shabad from Guru Granth Sahib Ji which I should do. I also do Sukhmani Sahib some times. Help me ===Reply === Hi, I don't believe in this kundli, etc. If you are in Punjab, then go to [[Gurdwara Bir Baba Budda Sahib|Baba Buddha Ji's Gurdwara]] and do ardas. If you given parshad of onion,the blessing have been done. Guru's blessings, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 17:02, 26 July 2017 (MDT) == Holy Vedas and Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji == ===Common Message to all beloved brothers, sisters and respected elders=== Aum, Waheguru Ji Da Khalsa Waheguru Ji Di Fateh This is my first message after joining the SikhiWiki community. In this message i want to talk about Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and sacred Vedas. If one has studied Vedas and Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji they will find that Shri= Guru Granth Sahib Ji is nothing different but a simplified version of teachings of Vedas and Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was compiled during Medieval centuries to re-introduce the largely forgotten teachings and spirit of Vedas to common folk in a language in which they use to converse. Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji re-laid the foundation of one supreme timeless, shapeless and formless god, which was also the founding principle of Vedas. ** Why not you create and article on Similarities between Vedas and Guru Granth Sahib quoting all Hymns ([[Vedas and Guru Granth Sahib]]), instead of writing Abstract statement. It will be appreciated. Thanks ([[User:NihangKhalsa|NihangKhalsa]] ([[User talk:NihangKhalsa|talk]]) 20:32, 10 February 2018 (MST))'
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'== Sikh religion == Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. Today is my 1st day at this forum and so excuse me for all the mistakes I make while writing my questions. I work in a public school system in Virginia and is the only Sikh male maintaining my sikhi saroop in the system. I have a teacher who is doing masters in Religion Studies and so is interested in the answers of his following question about Sikhism. I would greatly appreciate help from anyone who can answer any of his questions at the earliest possible. I do not fully understand his questions and also not that good in English and so seek your help. Here under is the teacher's email to me. Hi Mr. Singh, This is Beau Obetts from Yorktown. I had asked you if I could interview you for a class I am taking about religion since we need to interview people of different faiths. If you are okay with this, could you please send me answers to the questions listed below in the next few days? If you would rather do an in person interview that is fine too, just let me know when you are available. Also, if you can't do it, please let me know as soon as possible. Finally, if there are any questions you feel uncomfortable answering please feel free to skip them. Thanks for your help. Beau 1) What are some of the main rules your religion gives for living an ethical life? How do you go about living a good life? Are there rules your religion accepts that you reject? 2) What does your religion say about salvation and the afterlife? What do you believe about the afterlife? 3) How does your religion deal with the question "Why do good things happen to bad people?" <br>Do you accept any of the answers offered by your religion? If not, how would you address the issue? 4) Are there any other ways that your personal belief differs from the official doctrine of your religion? 5) Do you have any favorite passage(s) from the scripture of your religion? If so, why does it appeal to you? Satgurji Aap Sab Te Mehar Karan Ji. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Rajinder Singh * Please read the reply [[User talk:Rsb.apb|''' here''']] == 2nd battle of Chamkaur (transferred from Help:Format a page by HS) == We are pleased to note an exhaustive account of battle of Chamkaur Sahib in your esteemed Sikhiwiki website. Indeed it is a painstaking work from your side. We congratulate you over this magnificent outcome. The period of 2nd battle of Chamkaur is 21,22 and 23 Dec., l705. In Bikrmi, it is 6,7,8 Poh l76l The Evacuation of Anandpur Sahib is on the night of 20th Dec., l705. The 300th year Martyrdom celebrations of two elder Sahibzadas were commemorated on 2l,22 and 23 December 2004, at Chamkaur Sahib, at National level, by Panjab Government led by Capt. Amarinder Singh. Similarly, the300th year Martyrdom celebrations of two younger Sahibzadas of Guru Gobind Singh were commemorated in the last week of Dec.,2004 at Fatehgarh Sahib (Sirhind) Sikhiwiki website needs some corrections in Second Battle of Chamkaur Sahib. We mention as under:- 1. Wazir Khan (Suba Sirhind) did not participate in this battle. Mughal Generals –Nahar Khan, Gairat Khan and Khawaja Mohammed Murdud participated in this battle. 2. Departure of Guru’s entourage from Anandpur Sahib is on 20th Dec.,l705 in the night. 3. Battle at Sarsa rivulet is at the dawn of 2lst Dec.,l705. It is few miles away from Kiratpur Sahib towards Ropar. Parwar Vichhora happened in that commotion. 4. Arrival at Chamkaur is in the afternoon of 2lst Dec.,l705. 5. Guru along with two elder Sahibzadas , 5 Piaras and 40 Sikhs took charge of Kachi Garhi of Chamkaur in the evening of 21st Dec., l705. 6. The distance between Ropar and Chamkaur Sahib is l6 KMs. 7. Kachi Garhi was owned by Bhai Budhi Chand and some record it of Chaudhry Roop Chand and Jagat Singh. The descendents of Roop Chand and Jagat Singh are still there in Chamkaur Sahib. 8. Guru Gobind Singh visited Chamkaur in l759(Bikrmi) for the first time, 2 years before the 2nd battle of Chamkaur. At the behest of hilly Rajas, a Mughal contingent led by Sardar Sayad Beg and Alif Khan attacked Guru in l759(Bikrmi) , at a place called Ranjitgarh in Chamkaur. They were defeated by the Sikhs. 9. The Kachi Garhi was besieged by l0 lac Mughal Army. Guru has himself penned in the Zafarnamah.There should be no doubt in it. This battle was fought by Mughals along with hilly Rajas.Ere to it, several battles had taken place between Guru and Mughals in the past. The Mughals were aware of Guru’s strength. Hence this strength. 10. When Saragarhi post of 2l soldiers could be attacked by l0,000 Pathans in l897 why it cannot be l0 lacs in battle of Chamkaur. To conjecture a figure of 700 or l000, in the siege of Kachi Garhi is not a justice to the unique battle of Chamkaur. 11. The figure and names of 40 martyrs of Kachi Garhi as given by S. Kahan Singh Nabha are taken as authentic. Figure given by SGPC in 2004 was not in fact correct. It was later withdrawn by SGPC itself. The credible figure of martyrs is 40 Sikhs and two Sahibzadas. In the Theme Park of Chamkaur 42 Pillars of Rock installed in the Open Air Theatre, are indication of that. 12. Vastar and Shastar and Kalgi was given to Bhai Sangat Singh by Guru Gobind Singh at the time of leaving Kachi Garhi of Chamkaur. From History point, it is now a settled issue. 13. On 23rd Dec., the day of l705, Bhai Sangat Singh alongwith other remaining Sikhs sacrificed their lives in the battlefield of Chamkaur. 14. While leaving Chamkaur at dead of night of 22-23 Dec.,l705, Guru uttered the words “Peer-e-hind mei ravad.” The same site is now known as Tari Sahib a few furlong from Gurudwara Katil Garh Sahib,Chamkaur. 15. The Saka Chamkaur Theme Park is in ruins. Its Construction is stalled since 2007. Politics has taken toll of it. Kindly examine the above at your end. Sri Chamkaur Sahib Development Forum is engaged in the all round development of the historic town and elaqa, since December 2003. Despite setbacks,it has, at its credit, a legacy of good work done. Thanks, Yours sincerely, ( Rajinder Singh Delhi) Patron == Kara and the Sacred Thread? == I was born into a Sikh family. As I grew up, I was forced to take Punjabi classes and Kirtan classes at my local Gurdwara. As a result, I also learned a lot about my religion; I’ve attended lectures, read books and biographies and been to spiritual classes. And after all that, I have to say, I still don’t completely believe in my religion. Guru Nanak Dev Ji, said the words, “Na ko-ee Hindu, Na ko-ee Musalman,” which means, No one is hindu, no one is muslim. His meaning was to explain that everyone is equal. There is no religion that divides us; we are all human. So my question is, why on earth would he go start a new religion? That would simply cause further divide, and he was trying to get people to unite. His message was simply to love everyone, love one god, and help the poor and needy. There is a story about Guru Nanak Dev Ji that I remember particularly well, and it’s called “The Sacred Thread.” The story explains that Guru Nanak Dev Ji, who was born into a Hindu family, was supposed to tie this thread around his wrist for religious purposes during a religious ceremony. However, he stopped the priest and asked him, “How is this thread sacred? Will it go with me when I go to God when I die? I will wear something that goes with my soul if you have it, for otherwise it is meaningless.” Now I don’t remember the exact phrasing he said, but that was the general idea. Now compare this to the Sikh Kara… and ask the same questions. It won’t go with you when you die. It is simply a bracelet. Of course you could make the argument that it is the symbolic meaning of the Kara that makes people wear it. But comparing it to Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the sacred thread, I see far too many similarities between them. I’m sure the sacred thread had an important meaning too, but as Guru Nanak Dev Ji explained, it was simply that, a meaning, and not really sacred. At the end of the day, it is simply a bracelet that you wear, and doesn’t reflect your soul that will go to God and be judged. I believe you should wear the meanings you want to reflect in this world on your soul and try to live true to them, for those will be judged when we leave this Earth. If God exists, that is; but that’s another discussion. Yet Sikhi has changed so much from Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Guru Gobind Singh Ji, who had introduced Khalsa, and the five K’s, including the Kara. I can understand that it was a different time and Guru Gobind Singh Ji wanted symbols to unite his people, but regardless of that fact, I don’t believe true followers of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, or Sikhs, should try to divide themselves from everyone else, for as he said, we are all one. Sikhism as presented by Guru Nanak Dev Ji, provides me more insight into life than anything else I have ever encountered about Sikhism. Loving everyone, treating everyone equally, and remembering that we are all human, not separate religions or castes. If anyone has any other opinions or insight that they could provide me, I welcome them. I’ve just had these thoughts for a very long time and I genuinely want to ask other Sikhs what they think of them. I am not trying to attack my faith, but rather understand it. Thank you for your time and consideration. Since this page can be edited by anyone, including my original questions and points, I'd like to post a link to my tumblr page where I had originally written this: www.thebenjaminbuttonmind.tumblr.com/post/153226352047/sikhism to be sure nothing is changed. I have written it in the format where an established user will review and activate the link in the next day or so, because it is not a harmful link. I was warned "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don't submit it here." by this page, so I am simply trying to protect my discussion. ===Reply by Hari Singh=== Dear Manveer ji, [[Kara]] and [[Janoo]] - the sacred thread: See article [[Guru Nanak and the Sacred Thread]] I believe that you missed the main 2 points made by the [[Guru]] when he refused to wear the [[Janoo]] - the sacred thread. This thread was a symbol for the promotion of discrimination. A janoo cannot be worn if your are a female or if you are a non-[[brahmin]] or a person of a lower caste. A woman was barred from wearing a janoo. Similarly a non-brahmin or 'Sudar' was not allowed to participate in the janoo ceremony or wear the sacred thread. With due respect, this was the reason why the Guru refused to wear the 'sacred thread'. I think you were not explained the situation in the correct context and you may have missed that main purpose for the Guru refusing to wear this symbol. An evil and degrading symbol which was meant to elevate the '''male brahmin''' to a higher social level compared to all the others in that society. Clearly that cannot be right. [[Guru Nanak]] believed in the equality of all humans and could not allow this ceremony to continue. Accordingly, although still a child, he refused to participate in this ceremony as it was a symbol of discrimination and segregation of section of the same community. As a child he challenged the establishment and the promotion of this degrading cultural tradition. A [[kara]] on the other hand can be worn by any Sikh - male, female, black, white, high caste or of no caste, etc. So it is not a symbol of discrimination within the Sikh community - It is a symbol which promotes unity and non-discrimination; it promotes equality and unification of the human race. It is a symbol of unification and promotion of equality; it displaces segregation and sexual discrimination. In fact anyone who respects [[Sikhism]] and Sikh values can wear a [[kara]]. The message of [[Guru Nanak]] is the same as the message of [[Guru Gobind Singh]]. All the [[Sikh gurus]] have shown the same path to obtain a better spiritual life. Each Guru has shown how the Sikh principles have to be applied to the circumstances of the time. As the world became more violent, the Sikhs had to modify their behaviour and carry arms to protect themselves, defend the weak and promote righteousness. I hope this has provided you with some clarification. Please feel free to ask any questions if required. {{SSA}} [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 01:11, 26 November 2016 (CST) == Welcome my loves! == Welcome to the one and only, sikhiwiki site on the planet! == Chaunki / black magic == I want to ask about people who say some baba, especially like peer baba, come inside them and they do chaunki or para on some particular day... they also say whatever they say at that time is true. Is there something really like that or they are fooling people to grab their attention?? And what is the reality behind those upa or black magic which some fake babas do? Does it really affect people ?? ===Reply=== Most of this supernatural stuff is rubbish and an act to create a mystery and a situation of doubt and intrigue in the audience. Gurbani deals with these things in detail. Other spirits and black magic do exist but all are subject to the laws of nature. These spirits do not have more power than God or than you necessarily. As always, Waheguru will protect you as always. These spirits are all slaves of the Almighty and subject to Waheguru's hukam. If you have a strong faith in Waheguru, nothing can harm you or have any influence on you. Hope this helps. Gurfateh. Chardikala, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 14:12, 21 March 2017 (CDT) == Pandit == Hi, how much truth is in all those things which pandits say after observing your kundli. Is there something like kundli, like whatever is written is true or not according to our birth date? Also I am married for 5 years now, but no child. What to do, I am really confused. Is there any particular Shabad from Guru Granth Sahib Ji which I should do. I also do Sukhmani Sahib some times. Help me ===Reply === Hi, I don't believe in this kundli, etc. If you are in Punjab, then go to [[Gurdwara Bir Baba Budda Sahib|Baba Buddha Ji's Gurdwara]] and do ardas. If you given parshad of onion,the blessing have been done. Guru's blessings, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 17:02, 26 July 2017 (MDT) == Holy Vedas and Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji == ===Common Message to all beloved brothers, sisters and respected elders=== Aum, Waheguru Ji Da Khalsa Waheguru Ji Di Fateh This is my first message after joining the SikhiWiki community. In this message i want to talk about Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and sacred Vedas. If one has studied Vedas and Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji they will find that Shri= Guru Granth Sahib Ji is nothing different but a simplified version of teachings of Vedas and Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was compiled during Medieval centuries to re-introduce the largely forgotten teachings and spirit of Vedas to common folk in a language in which they use to converse. Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji re-laid the foundation of one supreme timeless, shapeless and formless god, which was also the founding principle of Vedas. ** Why not you create and article on Similarities between Vedas and Guru Granth Sahib quoting all Hymns ([[Vedas and Guru Granth Sahib]]), instead of writing Abstract statement. It will be appreciated. Thanks ([[User:NihangKhalsa|NihangKhalsa]] ([[User talk:NihangKhalsa|talk]]) 20:32, 10 February 2018 (MST)) == Similarities between holy Vedas and Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji == As requested by Nihang Khalsa Ji I am providing following hymns from Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to prove that Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is nothing but essence of holy Vedas. The Sikh gurus, in the turbulent times, lit the lamp of Vedic wisdom and steered the society towards the fundamental tenets of our culture – rationalism, actions and compassion. Often their is dispute over whether Sikhism is part of Hinduism or a separate religion. In my view, this is a meaningless debate. Because the word Hinduism has different connotations. From a western mindset, Hinduism represents a mix of very specific rituals associated with casteism, gender discrimination and idol worship. If this be Hinduism, then Sikhs are definitely not Hindus. However, if Hinduism is considered to mean the culture that is inspired from the philosophy of Vedas, then perhaps not many sects are more Hindu than Sikhs. Sikhism represents the message of Vedas in simple language of layman. Let us see what makes Sikhism an extremely pure representation of Vedic wisdom (We shall ignore later day aberrations and focus on the key message of the noble Gurus): – Sikhism rejects birth-based casteism and believes in equality of all – Sikhism believes in gender equality – Sikhism believes in protection of cows because it is one of the most useful gifts of God to humans – Sikhism believes in actions as means to achieve God. Thus they reject withdrawal from life. – Sikhism believes in one single timeless shapeless omnipresent God whose best name is Onkaar (Om + Kaar). This is almost verbatim translation of Yajurveda 40.8. – Sikhism believes in theory of Karma and rebirth – Sikhism refuses the concept of Heaven/ Hell and believe in salvation as ultimate goal – Sikhism believes in Nama Smaran or understanding the names and properties of God as way to achieve Him – Sikhism considers Maya or ignorance as obstacle to salvation and urges to eradicate it through devotion, noble actions and knowledge – Sikhism takes it as our utmost duty to fight against injustice of any kind. The lives of Sikh gurus exemplify this. – Sikhism considers entire humanity as one family and refuses to have different treatments for people of different beliefs and religions. The list can continue further. Note that if you replace Sikhism in above lines with ‘Vedic Dharma’ you would realize that the points still hold valid. Further, the Guru Granth Sahib very clearly elucidates on the glory of Vedas: 1. God created Vedas (Onkaar ved nirmaye- Rag Ramkali Mahla 1 Onkar Shabd 1) 2. With order of God Vedas were created so that humans can decide what is virtue and sin (Hari aagya hoye Ved paap punya vichaariya- Maru Dakhne Mahla 5 Shabd 17) 3. No one can value the importance of Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda (Sam Ved, Rig, Yajur, Atharvan brahme mukh maaiya hai traigun, taakee keemat kah na sakai ko….- Marusolahe Mahla 1 Shabd 17) 4. God created day, night, forests, greenery, water and 4 Vedas that are like 4 treasures (Chaar Ved chaare khaani- Rag Maru Mahla 5 Shabd 17) 5. How can glory of Vedas be stated whose knowledge is without end (Ved vakhaan kahahi ik kahiye, oh ve ant ant kin lahiye- Vasant Ashtapadiyan Mahla 1.3) 6. Of the infinite texts, Vedas are the best (Asankh granth mukhi Ved paath- Japuji 17) 7. All the Shastras, Vedas and ancient texts describe the Supreme Lord (Smriti sastra Ved puraan paar brahm ka karahi vakhiyaan- Gaund Mahla 5 Shabd 17) 8. Noble persons elucidate the glory of Vedas but unfortunate people do not understand (Ved bakhiyaan karat saadhujan bhaagheen samjhat nahi khalu- Todi Mahla 5 Shabd 26) 9. Study of Vedas enhances knowledge by blessings of God (Kahant Veda gunant guniya…- Sahaskriti Mahla 5.14) 10. Analysis of Vedas, Shastras and ancient texts enriches the entire family and makes them lucky (Ved puran saasatr vichaaram…. badbhaagi Naanak ko taaram- Gatha Mahla 5.20) 11. Vedas describe the glory of one God (Kal mein ek naam kripaanidhi … ih vidhi Ved bataavai- Rag Sortha Mahla 9 Shabd 5) 12. Do not say that Vedas are false. False are those people who do not analyze (Ved katev kahahu mat jhoothe jhootha jo na vichaare- Rag Prabhati Kabirji Shabd 3) 13. Those who studied Vedas were called Vedis. They initiated noble virtuous acts. Listening to Rigveda, Samveda, Yajurveda and Atharveda destroyed all sins. (Jinai Ved padhyo suvedi kahaaye… Padhe Sam Vedam Yajur Ved Kattham Rigam Ved paathayam kare bhaav hattham… Atharav Ved pathayam suniyo paap nathiyam…- Dasham Guru Granth Sahib Vichitra Natak Adhyaya 4) To check more examples of glory of Vedas in Guru Granth Sahib refer the following: 14. Chauth upaaye chaare Veda- Rag Bilawal Mahla 1 Thiti 15. Chache chaar Ved jin saaje chaare khani chaar juga- Rag Asa Mahla 1 Pati Likhi Shabd 9 16. Oordh mool jis saakh talaaha chaar Ved jit laage- Gujri Ashtapadiyan Mahla 1.1 17. Chare Ved hoye sachiyaar- Asadi Var Mahla 1 Var 13 18. Chaturved mukh vachni uchre- Rag Gaudi Mahla 5 Shabd 164 19. Chaturved pooran hari naai Ramkali Mahla 5 Shabd 17 20. Chaar pukaarahi na tu maane Ramkali Mahla 5 Shabd 12 21. Chaar Ved jihwa bhane- Rag Sarang Mahla 5 Shabd 131 22. Brahme ditte Ved Rag Malar Var Mahla 2 Var 3 23. Chaare Ved Brahme kau diye padh padh kare vichari- Rag Asa Mahla 3 Shabd 22 24. Chaare Ved Brahme np furmaayia- Maaru Solahe 3.22 25. Chaare deeve chahu hath diye eka eki vaari- Vasant Hindol 1.1 26. Vedu pukaare vaachiye vaani brahm biaas- Shreeraag Ashtpadiyan 1.7 27. Vedan ganh bole sach koi- Maajh Vaar Mahla 1 Vaar 12 28. Deeva jale andhera jaai Ved paath mati paapan khaai- Raag Suhi 29. Ved pukaarai punn paap surag narak ka veeu- Raag Saarang Vaar 1.16 30. Gurumukhi parche Ved vichari- Raag Ramkali Sidh Gosht Shabd 28 31. Puchhahu Ved pandatiyaan muthi vin maane- Rag Maaru Ashtpadiyan 1.6 32. Man hath kine na paaiyo puchhahu Vedaam jaai- Shri Raag Vaar 3.10 33. Smriti saasat Ved vakhaanai bharmai bhoola tat na jaanai- Rag Maajh Ashtpadiyan 3.18 34. Veda mahi naam uttam so- Rag Ramkali Mahla 3 Aanand 19 35. Hari jeeu ahankaar n bhaavai Ved kook sunaavahi- Rag Maaru 3.9 36. Jugi jugi aapo aapna dharm hai sodh dekhahu Ved puraan- Rag Vilaaval 3.4 37. Saasat Ved puraan pukaarahi dharam karahu shat karam dradaiya- Vilaaval Mahla 4.2 38. Naanak vichaarahi sant jan chaar Ved kahande- Rag Gaudi Vaar 4.12 39. Vaani brahm Ved dharam dradahu paap tajaaiya bal raam jeeu- Suhi Chhant 4.2 40. Das ath chaar Ved sabh poochhahu jan naanak naam chhudaai jeeu- Maaru 4.8 41. Smrat saasat Ved vakhaane jog gyaansidh sukh jaane- Rag Gaudi 5.111 42. Ved puraan smrat bhane- Gaudi 5.144 43. Saasat smrat Ved vichaare mahaapurushan iu kahiya- Rag Gaudi 5.162 44. Ved saasat jan pukaarahi sunai nahi dora- Rag Aasa 5.152 45. Saasat Ved smriti sabhi….- Gujri 5.2 46. Chaar pukaarahi na tu maanahi- Ramkali 5.12 47. Kahant Veda gunant guniya- Salok sahaskriti Mahla 5.14 48. Ved puraan saasatr vichaaram- Gatha Mahla 5.20 49. Ved puraan saadh sang- Rag Gaudi 9.6 50. Ved puraan padhai ko ih gun simre hari ko naama- Rag Gaudi 9.7 51. Ved puraan jaas gun gaavat taako naam hiye mein dhar re- Gaudi 9.9 52. Ved puraan smriti ke mat sun nimash na hiye vasaavai- Rag Sorath 9.7 Source of Information : [[https://santoshbhatt.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/sikh-gurus-vedas-and-hinduism/]]'
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