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[[File:Shamastabrezmultan.JPG|thumb|right|300px|Mausaleum of Shamas Tabrez, Visited by Guru Nanak Sahib]]
[[File:Shamastabrezmultan.JPG|thumb|right|300px|Mausaleum of Shamas Tabrez, Visited by Guru Nanak Sahib]]


'''Guru Nanak Sahib met Shamsis''' in multan in 1530 and had discourse with them and bring them into right track. Guru sahib have discourse with Bahawal Haq and Rukn din. His message was to become followers of god then grave, against anal-haq.
'''[[Guru Nanak sahib]] met Shamsis''' in [[Multan]] in 1530 and had discourse with them and urged them into coming on to the right track. Guru sahib had discourse with Bahawal Haq and Rukn din. His message was to become followers of God rather than worshipping graves and against {{w|anal-haq}}.


==Who were Shamsis?==
==Who were Shamsis?==
Shamsis are followers of Shamas Tabrez. Shamas Tabrez was a sufi faqir. his real name was Makhdoom Shah Shamas-Ud-Din. He was born on 17th rajab 560th hijri in Shabzawar(in Ghazini). He preached his religious philosphy and went to [[Multan]] the center of orthodox [[Muslims]]. his slogan of ''anal-haq''(I am God) was not liked by them. They declared him a rebel and complained higher authorities. He was given death punishment. Shamas accepted the punishment with smile and he was killed mercilessly by removing his skin.


In multan a mausaleum was made in his remembrance by his followers who were known as shamsis. Shamas was god follower(Khuda - parasat), but Shamsis were becoming followers of grave as the time passed.
Shamsis are followers of Shamas Tabrez. Shamas Tabrez was a [[Sufi]] faqir; his real name was Makhdoom Shah Shamas-Ud-Din. He was born on 17th rajab 560th hijri in Shabzawar (in Ghazini). He preached his religious philosophy and went to [[Multan]] the center of orthodox [[Muslims]]. His slogan of ''anal-haq''(I am God) was not liked by them. They declared him a rebel and complained to higher authorities. He was given death punishment. Shamas accepted the punishment with smile and he was killed mercilessly by the removal of his skin.
 
In Multan a mausoleum was made in his remembrance by his followers who were known as shamsis. Shamas was a follower of God (Khuda - parasat), but Shamsis were becoming worshippers of graves as the time passed.
 


===What's Anal - Haq===
===What's Anal - Haq===
Sufi Faqirs shouting in ecstasy 'Anal-Haq, Anal-Haq' (I am the god/I am the Truth).Mansur Al-Hallaj was a famous Sufi of the 10th Century. He was executed in 922 AD for having stated: "Anal Haq" which means "I am the Truth". He was condemned to hang by the neck for shouting in ecstasy 'Anal-Haq, Anal-Haq' (I am the Truth, I am the Truth). The orthodoxy understood this to mean that he was claiming to be God himself, whereas he had proclaimed in his sublime spiritual ecstasy, simply a total annihilation of himself. What he meant was that he mattered naught; all that mattered was He (God)


Philosphy of sikhism is opposite to analhaq, it says mera mujh mei kuch nahi jo kuch hai sabh tera. it's toon toon.
[[Sufi]] faqirs shouting in ecstasy 'Anal-Haq, Anal-Haq' (I am God/I am the Truth). Mansur Al-Hallaj was a famous [[Sufi]] of the 10th Century. He was executed in 922 AD for having stated: "Anal Haq" which means "I am the Truth". He was condemned to hang by the neck for shouting in ecstasy 'Anal-Haq, Anal-Haq' (I am the Truth, I am the Truth). The orthodoxy understood this to mean that he was claiming to be God himself, whereas he had proclaimed in his sublime spiritual ecstasy, simply a total annihilation of himself. What he meant was that he mattered not; all that mattered was He (God)
 
Philosophy of [[Sikhism]] is opposite to anal-haq, it says "kabeer maeraa mujh mehi kishh nehee jo kishh hai so thaeraa"
''"Kabeer, nothing is mine within myself. Whatever there is, is Yours, O Lord."'' (SGGS p1375). It's a message of "toon toon" "You, you".
 
===What's Kabar Prasat===


===What's KabarPrasat===
Shamsis became "follower of grave" (worshipper of graves). They started keeping Rozas (fasts) which was opposite to Sikhi philosophy and philosophy of Shamas Tabrez too. Sikhism says "Jin jio pind dita tis chiteh nahi. Mari masani mure jog nahi (9)" which means "You do not remember Him, who has blessed you with soul and body. Visiting graveyards and cremation grounds does not provide union with God." (SGGS p1190)
Shamsis became follower of grave. They started keeping Rozas which was opposite to sikhism philosphy and philosphy of shamas tabrez too. Sikhism says "kou butan ko pujar hai pas, kou mritan ko poojan dhayo, koor kriya urjheo jagg mei sri bhagwan ka bhed na payo"


==Guru Nanak Discourse with Shamsis==
==Guru Nanak's discourse with Shamsis==


In 1530(acc to Prof Sahib Singh) Guru Nanak went there and sat in a garden around shamas maqbara's. When peers came to nknow this, they went and met guru. They kept milk before them and said that their path is pure as white as the milk without any blot. Guru Nanak sahib plucked a jasmine flower and kept it on milk and replied that one have to think and live above maya like jasmine flower is floating over milk. they taught them not to follow grave. tyhey also said that once ganga merges to ocean it's no ganga anymore and so one should not say i am god if he or she reached in that state.
In 1530 (according to [[Prof Sahib Singh]]), [[Guru Nanak]] went there and sat in a garden around Shamas maqbara's (mausoleum). When pirs (Sufi priests) came to know this, they went and met the Guru. They took a container full of milk with them and said that their path is pure; as white as the milk without any blot. [[Guru Nanak]] plucked a jasmine flower and placed it on the milk and replied that one must have an open mind and live above [[maya]] (world illusion) like the jasmine flower was floating over the milk. The Guru taught them not to worship graves. The Guru also taught them that once the holy water of [[River Ganges]]merges into the ocean, it's no longer called Ganges any more and so no one should not say "I am God" even if he or she has reached an enlightened state.


Bhai Gurdas in his vaars said:<br>
[[Bhai Gurdas]] in his vaars said:<br>


* Pauri 44.5 Melio baba uthia Multane di jarati jai.
* Pauri 44.5 Melio baba uthia Multane di jarati jai.
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* Pauri 44.8 Jiu sagar vichi Gang samai.
* Pauri 44.8 Jiu sagar vichi Gang samai.


Leaving the fair at Achal Vatala Baba went on a 'pilgrimage' to Multan. At Multan the Pirs came forward holding a bowl of milk full to the brim. Baba took out a jasmine flower from his bag and put it on the surface of the milk indicating that he would spread fragrance. Bhai Gurdas likened it to the river Ganga merging into the ocean.  
Leaving the fair at Achal Vatala Baba went on a 'pilgrimage' to Multan. At Multan the Pirs came forward holding a bowl of milk full to the brim. Baba took out a jasmine flower from his bag and put it on the surface of the milk indicating that he would spread fragrance. Bhai Gurdas likened it to the river Ganga (Ganges) merging into the ocean.  


==Debate==
==Debate==


Bahawal Haq and Rukan Din asked their questions, Bahawal said, We call money false and without money we cant survive, guru sahib replied like money is false so living is also false.
Bahawal Haq and Rukan Din asked many questions; Bahawal said, "We call money false and without money we can't survive". Guru sahib replied "like money is false so living is also false."


Peers want guru sahib to do a updesh " gurtu ji said Love Everyone, Dont go with other's woman, The matter which generates fight with saints close it immideatly. Dont accompany evil minded person. Do Selfless service of saints. Practice Shabad
Pirs wanted Guru sahib to preach and advise them. Guru ji said, "Love everyone; don't go with woman married to another man. Any matter which generates friction with the saints, close it immediately. Don't keep company with evil minded persons. Do selfless service for the saints. Practice recitation of the Shabad."


Peers were enlightened and for remambrance they took foot prints of guru on page. It is said that page was at multan upto partition of 1947.
The Pirs were enlightened and for the remembrance of the Guru's visit, they took foot prints of the Guru feet on paper. It is said that this paper was at Multan until the partition of 1947.


==References==
==References==

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Mausaleum of Shamas Tabrez, Visited by Guru Nanak Sahib

Guru Nanak sahib met Shamsis in Multan in 1530 and had discourse with them and urged them into coming on to the right track. Guru sahib had discourse with Bahawal Haq and Rukn din. His message was to become followers of God rather than worshipping graves and against anal-haq.

Who were Shamsis?

Shamsis are followers of Shamas Tabrez. Shamas Tabrez was a Sufi faqir; his real name was Makhdoom Shah Shamas-Ud-Din. He was born on 17th rajab 560th hijri in Shabzawar (in Ghazini). He preached his religious philosophy and went to Multan the center of orthodox Muslims. His slogan of anal-haq(I am God) was not liked by them. They declared him a rebel and complained to higher authorities. He was given death punishment. Shamas accepted the punishment with smile and he was killed mercilessly by the removal of his skin.

In Multan a mausoleum was made in his remembrance by his followers who were known as shamsis. Shamas was a follower of God (Khuda - parasat), but Shamsis were becoming worshippers of graves as the time passed.


What's Anal - Haq

Sufi faqirs shouting in ecstasy 'Anal-Haq, Anal-Haq' (I am God/I am the Truth). Mansur Al-Hallaj was a famous Sufi of the 10th Century. He was executed in 922 AD for having stated: "Anal Haq" which means "I am the Truth". He was condemned to hang by the neck for shouting in ecstasy 'Anal-Haq, Anal-Haq' (I am the Truth, I am the Truth). The orthodoxy understood this to mean that he was claiming to be God himself, whereas he had proclaimed in his sublime spiritual ecstasy, simply a total annihilation of himself. What he meant was that he mattered not; all that mattered was He (God)

Philosophy of Sikhism is opposite to anal-haq, it says "kabeer maeraa mujh mehi kishh nehee jo kishh hai so thaeraa" "Kabeer, nothing is mine within myself. Whatever there is, is Yours, O Lord." (SGGS p1375). It's a message of "toon toon" "You, you".

What's Kabar Prasat

Shamsis became "follower of grave" (worshipper of graves). They started keeping Rozas (fasts) which was opposite to Sikhi philosophy and philosophy of Shamas Tabrez too. Sikhism says "Jin jio pind dita tis chiteh nahi. Mari masani mure jog nahi (9)" which means "You do not remember Him, who has blessed you with soul and body. Visiting graveyards and cremation grounds does not provide union with God." (SGGS p1190)

Guru Nanak's discourse with Shamsis

In 1530 (according to Prof Sahib Singh), Guru Nanak went there and sat in a garden around Shamas maqbara's (mausoleum). When pirs (Sufi priests) came to know this, they went and met the Guru. They took a container full of milk with them and said that their path is pure; as white as the milk without any blot. Guru Nanak plucked a jasmine flower and placed it on the milk and replied that one must have an open mind and live above maya (world illusion) like the jasmine flower was floating over the milk. The Guru taught them not to worship graves. The Guru also taught them that once the holy water of River Gangesmerges into the ocean, it's no longer called Ganges any more and so no one should not say "I am God" even if he or she has reached an enlightened state.

Bhai Gurdas in his vaars said:

  • Pauri 44.5 Melio baba uthia Multane di jarati jai.
  • Pauri 44.6 Agon pir Multan de dudhi katora bhari lai ai.
  • Pauri 44.7 Babe kadhi kari bagal te chambeli dudhi vichi milai.
  • Pauri 44.8 Jiu sagar vichi Gang samai.

Leaving the fair at Achal Vatala Baba went on a 'pilgrimage' to Multan. At Multan the Pirs came forward holding a bowl of milk full to the brim. Baba took out a jasmine flower from his bag and put it on the surface of the milk indicating that he would spread fragrance. Bhai Gurdas likened it to the river Ganga (Ganges) merging into the ocean.

Debate

Bahawal Haq and Rukan Din asked many questions; Bahawal said, "We call money false and without money we can't survive". Guru sahib replied "like money is false so living is also false."

Pirs wanted Guru sahib to preach and advise them. Guru ji said, "Love everyone; don't go with woman married to another man. Any matter which generates friction with the saints, close it immediately. Don't keep company with evil minded persons. Do selfless service for the saints. Practice recitation of the Shabad."

The Pirs were enlightened and for the remembrance of the Guru's visit, they took foot prints of the Guru feet on paper. It is said that this paper was at Multan until the partition of 1947.

References

  • Bhai Bala Janamsakhi
  • Bhai Gurdass Vaar
  • History of Guru Nanak: Prof Sahib Singh