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* <big><center>ਤੂ ਸਦਾ ਸਲਾਮਤਿ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ॥੧੬॥<br>You, Eternal and Formless One! ||16||</center></big>
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<big><center>ਤੂ ਸਦਾ ਸਲਾਮਤਿ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ॥੧੬॥<br>You, Eternal and Formless One! ||16||</center></big>
  
* <big><center>ਅਹਿਨਿਸਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਰਵਿ ਰਹੈ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਾਮ੝ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ॥<br>Day and night, the Name of the One Lord, the Fearless and Formless One, dwells within the heart.</center></big>
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<big><center>ਅਹਿਨਿਸਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਰਵਿ ਰਹੈ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਾਮ੝ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ॥<br>Day and night, the Name of the One Lord, the Fearless and Formless One, dwells within the heart.</center></big>
  
* <big><center>ਆਪ੝ ਛੋਡਿ ਸਭ ਹੋਇ ਰੇਣਾ ਜਿਸ੝ ਦੇਇ ਪ੝ਰਭ੝ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ੝ ॥੩॥<br>One who is so blessed by the Formless Lord God renounces selfishness, and becomes the dust of all. ||3||</center></big>
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<big><center>ਆਪ੝ ਛੋਡਿ ਸਭ ਹੋਇ ਰੇਣਾ ਜਿਸ੝ ਦੇਇ ਪ੝ਰਭ੝ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ੝ ॥੩॥<br>One who is so blessed by the Formless Lord God renounces selfishness, and becomes the dust of all. ||3||</center></big>
  
 
==Symbolic Forms of Formless God in Guru Granth Sahib==
 
==Symbolic Forms of Formless God in Guru Granth Sahib==

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This article is about a point generally raised by people who are against Dasam Granth, is about the form of Mahakaal as exhibited in Dasam Granth. The poetic description of form in various ways leads those people to believe that, Dasam Granth is talking about some form of God in contrast to formless God, as appears in Guru Granth Sahib. Important thing that such people fail to note is that in Guru Granth Sahib too, such poetic expression of God has been used invariably.

The lines which are quoted from Dasam granth is from first part of Bachittar Natak

ਸ੝ਭੰ ਜੀਭ ਜ੝ਆਲੰ ॥ ਸ੝ ਦਾੜ੝ਹਾ ਕਰਾਲੰ ॥
His tongue red like fire seems magnificent and his grinder teeth are very frightening.

ਦ੝ਰਿ੝ਰੜ ਦਾੜ੝ਹ ਕਰਾਲ ਦ੝ਵੈ ਸੇਤ ਉਧੰ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਭਾਜਤ ਦ੝ਸਟ ਬਿਲੋਕ ਜ੝ਧੰ ॥

Thou hast two grinder teeth. Terrible, white and high, seeing which the tyrants run away from the battlefield.

ਮਦ ਮਤ ਕ੝ਰਿਪਾਣ ਕਰਾਲ ਧਰੰ ॥ ਜਯ ਸਦ ਸ੝ਰਾਸ੝ਰਯੰ ਉਚਰੰ ॥੫੫॥

Thou art inebriated, holding the terrible sword in Thy hand. Both the gods and demons sing the eulogy of His victory.55.

ਨਮੋ ਉਗ੝ਰ ਦਾੜੰ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਗ੝ਰਿਸਟ ਗਾੜੰ ॥੮੯॥
Salutation to Him, who hath sharp grinder teeth, which are thick and strong.89.


Shingar Rass

Shingar Rass is a poetry style which is used in Guru Granth Sahib, Dasam Granth and many other Granths. In this poetry Style, poet uses similes and metaphors to vividly explain some other relatively inexplicable concepts. Like depicting soul in the form of bride and God in the form of Groom. Various details like pangs of separation of the bride, love-bed, and longing to be in the bed have been given.

Let's start this from Guru Granth Sahib:

God is Formless - Guru Granth Sahib

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ਤੂ ਸਦਾ ਸਲਾਮਤਿ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ॥੧੬॥
You, Eternal and Formless One! ||16||
ਅਹਿਨਿਸਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਰਵਿ ਰਹੈ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਾਮ੝ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ॥
Day and night, the Name of the One Lord, the Fearless and Formless One, dwells within the heart.
ਆਪ੝ ਛੋਡਿ ਸਭ ਹੋਇ ਰੇਣਾ ਜਿਸ੝ ਦੇਇ ਪ੝ਰਭ੝ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ੝ ॥੩॥
One who is so blessed by the Formless Lord God renounces selfishness, and becomes the dust of all. ||3||

Symbolic Forms of Formless God in Guru Granth Sahib

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  • ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੝ਰ ਮਾਲਾ ਤਿਲਕ੝ ਬਿਰਾਜਿਤ ਦੇਖਿ ਪ੝ਰਤਾਪ੝ ਜਮ੝ ਡਰਿਓ ॥

He is adorned with the conch, the chakra, the mala and the ceremonial tilak mark on his forehead; gazing upon his radiant glory, the Messenger of Death is scared away.

As God is Formless in Guru Granth Sahib, still Guru Sahib is explaining a Form of God. This is form of Formless of Nirankar(). Professor Sahib Singh explained it:

(ਪ੝ਰਭੂ ਦਾ) ਸੰਖ, ਚੱਕ੝ਰ, ਮਾਲਾ, ਤਿਲਕ ਆਦਿਕ ਚਮਕਦਾ ਵੇਖ ਕੇ, ਪਰਤਾਪ ਵੇਖ ਕੇ, ਜਮਰਾਜ ਭੀ ਸਹਿਮ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ

Now if these terms will be written by those people who makes form of god then he will also make form of God through these lines but these lines have their independent meanings. Each word ਸੰਖ, ਚਕ੝ਰ, ਮਾਲਾ, ਤਿਲਕ੝ has it's own meaning. This theme is called Shingar Rass which is already used in Guru Granth Sahib at various places

One more form of Formless God

  • ਸ੝ੰਦਰ ਕ੝ੰਡਲ ਮ੝ਕਟ ਬੈਨ ॥ ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੝ਰ ਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥

Bhai Sahib Singh also explained it as following: ਹੇ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਕ੝ੰਡਲਾਂ ਵਾਲੇ! ਹੇ ਮ੝ਕਟ-ਧਾਰੀ! ਹੇ ਬੰਸਰੀ ਵਾਲੇ! ਹੇ ਸੰਖ-ਧਾਰੀ! ਹੇ ਚੱਕ੝ਰ-ਧਾਰੀ! ਹੇ ਗਦਾ-ਧਾਰੀ! ਤੂੰ ਸਤਸੰਗੀਆਂ ਦਾ ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਵੱਡਾ ਰਥਵਾਹੀ (ਆਗੂ) ਹੈਂ।੧੦।

Though God is formless but in these line Guru Arjun Dev ji is putting Earings in ear of God and also give mace aside of Shankh(Counch), Chakra etc. This is another form of Shingar Rass of depicting god.

  • ਸ੝ਪ੝ਰਸੰਨ ਭਝ ਕੇਸਵਾ ਸੇ ਜਨ ਹਰਿ ਗ੝ਣ ਗਾਹਿ ॥੪॥

Professor Sahib Singh also stated here: (ਹੇ ਭਾਈ!) ਜਿਨ੝ਹਾਂ ਉਤੇ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਲੰਮੇ ਕੇਸਾਂ ਵਾਲਾ ਪ੝ਰਭੂ ਪ੝ਰਸੰਨ ਹ੝ੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਹ ਬੰਦੇ ਪ੝ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਗ੝ਣ ਗਾਂਦੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ।੪।

God is shown here with long hairs, though formless entity have given form. This is a part of Shingar Rass.

God is Formless - Dasam Granth

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In Dasam Granth, Guru Gobind SIngh too explained that Mahakaal is Formless in various lines in same poetry where Sharp Teeth lines are written.

ਨ ਰੂਪੰ ਨ ਰੇਖੰ ਨ ਰੰਗੰ ਨ ਰਾਗੰ ॥ ਨ ਨਾਮੰ ਨ ਠਾਮੰ ਮਹਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਾਗੰ ॥
He is Formless, Signless, Colourless and Non-attached. He is Nameless, Placeless; and a Radiating Great Effulgence.



ਨ ਰੂਪੰ ਨ ਰੇਖੰ ਨ ਰੰਗੰ ਨ ਰਾਗੰ ॥ ਨ ਨਾਮੰ ਨ ਠਾਮੰ ਮਹਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਾਗੰ ॥
He is Formless, Signless, Colourless and Non-attached. He is Nameless, Placeless; and a Radiating Great Effulgence.



ਨ ਦ੝ਵੈਖੰ ਨ ਭੇਖੰ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਨਿਤਯੰ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਜੋਗ ਜੋਗੰ ਸ੝ ਪਰਮੰ ਪਵਿਤ੝ਰਯੰ॥੫॥
He is Blemishless, Guiseless, Formless and Eternal. He is a Superb Practising Yogi and a Supremely Holy Entity.5.

Symbolic Forms of Formless God in Dasam Granth Sahib

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ਚਮਕਹਿ ਕ੝ਰਿਪਾਣੰ ॥ ਅਭੂਤੰ ਭਯਾਣੰ ॥

The sword of KAL glistens, which is Non-elemental and terrible.

ਧ੝ਨੰ ਨੇਵਰਾਣੰ ॥ ਘ੝ਰੰ ਘ੝ੰਘਰਾਣੰ ॥੩੧॥

While moving, his anklets rattle and the small bells jingle.31.

ਚਤ੝ਰ ਬਾਂਹ ਚਾਰੰ ॥ ਨਿਜੂਟੰ ਸ੝ਧਾਰੰ ॥

He hath four winsome arms and on his head, his long hair has been bound in a lovely knot.

ਗਦਾ ਪਾਸ ਸੋਹੰ ॥ ਜਮੰ ਮਾਨ ਮੋਹੰ ॥੩੨॥

The mace with him appears splendid, which fascinate the honour of Yama.32.

ਸ੝ਭੰ ਜੀਭ ਜ੝ਆਲੰ ॥ ਸ੝ ਦਾੜ੝ਹਾ ਕਰਾਲੰ ॥

His tongue red like fire seems magnificent and his grinder teeth are very frightening.

ਬਜੀ ਬੰਬ ਸੰਖੰ ॥ ਉਠੇ ਨਾਦ ਬੰਖੰ ॥੩੩॥

His conches and drums resound like the thundering sound of the sea. 33.

ਸ੝ਭੰ ਰੂਪ ਸਿਆਮੰ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਸੋਭ ਧਾਮੰ ॥

His dark form looks elegant and is the abode of Great Glory.

ਛਬੇ ਚਾਰ੝ ਚਿਤ੝ਰੰ ॥ ਪਰੇਅੰ ਪਵਿਤ੝ਰੰ ॥੩੪॥

On his face there are lovely delineations, which are superbly holy. 34.