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| == Power of Khalsa 2 ==
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| Veer ji,
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| Excellent video and brilliant performance; as always it is a matter of education and proper presentation; to a certain extent the fault lies with us as we do not give proper presentation of our history and to a lesser extent the education system in India. These gifts from the Gurus need to be explained in a humble and sensible manner and soon the whole world will want to embrace them.
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| Many thanks to bringing this to my attention; unbelievable speed and daring acts; Waheguru bakshish karan on this jatha.
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| PS: I have archived your messages; I hope this is OK. [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 12:30, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
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| == Thx ==
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| Veer ji, enjoyed the link very much, truly entertaining and amazing talent. [[User:Allenwalla|Allenwalla]] 03:02, 30 August 2010 (EDT)
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| == Dhanawad ==
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| Bhai Sahib ji, Sikhs around the world must, along with many others, really be enjoying this. Thanks for taking the time to keep me up.
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| Rab Rakha, [[User:Allenwalla|Allenwalla]] 18:53, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
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| Never have I wish I could speak or understand what the judges had to say, if you hear of a video with sub titles in english please let me know. Who were the elder Sardars who gave the judges the framed photos of, i assume, imagined images of the 10 Gurus over the Harmandar Sahib.
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| == Third performance was a Killer performance ==
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| Veer ji,
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| Indeed, an action packed show; full of wonderful talent and highly precise, fast and stunning moves - Well done Bir Khalsa Group! Also amazing comment by Sajid about the Khalsa. May Guru grant them perpetual chardikala and kaamjabee! Thanks for the link and message. Guru bhalee karan, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 09:36, 20 September 2010 (EDT)
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| == gangu ==
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| Sardarji, are the last two sentences from the Mahan Kosh? I have read the english version (finding every mention of gangu, ganguli, ect.) by The University of Patiala and cannot find you quoted passage. Could you list your reference. Where can i find the book? I have the panjabi (gurmukhi) version, but reading it is a daunting task.
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| Please could you add the Gurmukhi, as well?
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| Rab Rakha, [[User:Allenwalla|Allenwalla]] 09:15, 11 October 2010 (EDT)
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| == [[Prof. Darshan Singh Khalsa]] ==
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| Veer ji, {{SSA}}
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| {{p4|File:Letter for sangat Page 09.jpg|Template of letter provided by professor}}
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| Many thanks for your kind message. I have read with fond reflection and with great interest what you have written and I am most grateful to you.
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| Veer ji, however, I am surprised that you called me a "..damn follower of Prof. Darshan Singh Khalsa". I would humbly request you to look at my contribution on this site and see how much time I spend on "the Guru's message" and compare that with the time I spend on the professor.
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| I think that will answer your question. Also as [[Gurmukh]] I am surprised by the choice of the word '''"[http://www.thefreedictionary.com/damn damn]"''' to refer to me; anyway Veer ji' that is your prerogative but I desperately hope my Lord thinks otherwise! otherwise I am in trouble!
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| Anyway, turning to the point that you make, I think we need to give a balanced view of the situation and not give just one side of the issue. What we have here is politics going on; there is no gurmat on either side and so I do not want to spent a lot of time on what I consider to be a useless exercise. The behaviour of each party is a disgrace to anyone who calls themselves a Sikh of the Guru; this fiasco has brought disgrace to the panth and it hurts me that the Takhat jathedars could behave in such a disturbing manner.
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| Considering that the professor was a jathedar of Akal Takhat, I would have thought that they would make sure that no disgrace came to the panth; it is delicate matter and needs to be treated as such. Have you ever seen the present Pope denigrate his predecessor? I think the leaders in Punjab should learn about diplomacy from the wide world.
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| How would you feel if Guru Gobind Singh criticised Guru Hargobind? - It would never happen - That shows how wise the Gurus were and how our leaders who are very keen to taken over the "seats" left by our Gurus but do not even understand the ABC of Guru marg! These leaders do not take the time to learn the path of our Gurus. It like a Pind da farmer becoming the President without learning anything about running a country!
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| I have stated my position before - '''[[Guru Granth Sahib]] ONLY is the Guru''' and I can give a lot of time to discussing this but everything else is not as important as the Guru. So please let us not spent any more time on this ugly politics while there is so much good work to do in the Guru's path.
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| To understand both sides of the argument please read this letter that the professor has asked the sangat to write. I agree with the point being made. Also read the other side of the controversy here - http://www.dasamgranthexposed.com/Prof.htm
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| Veer ji, Do you think it right to treat the [[Dasam Granth]] as our Guru? Why should the Dasam Granth be given the same treatment as our Guru? Where did any Guru give this permission to treat Dasam Granth in the same way as Guru Granth Sahib?
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| Please consider these in depth and please revert back and we can see how we move forward. Raab Rakha and kindest regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 23:56, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
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| == A very sad day ==
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| Bhai Sahib ji, I am sure it matters little what I think, but I am terribly saddened to see the use of the word you have written today. I used that word for the first time when I was 20 years old, the first time I ever used a so called swear word, it bothers me greatly to see you of all people and on this site of all places, use such language. I asked that the page be locked, as a fairly neutral observer it seemed that the bickering was nothing more than petty politics, so please blame me.
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| Unfortunately I cannot read the letter you have posted in Gurmukhi, for the moment it feels as if the time I have dedicated to this site has been a waste, speaking of men (Sikhs of all people) being followers of men rather than VahiGuru. Sad! [[User:Allenwalla|Allenwalla]] 00:52, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
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| == Veerji ==
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| Dear Veerji,
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| You are entitled to your opinion's and judgement's. But being a Sikh of the Guru, you must understand we are all learning to know what is right or wrong. A fellow's opinion of Prof. Darshan Singh, Dasam Granth, etc. should only be for the purpose of knowledge. Not knowing the whole story inside-out it is not anyone's place to cast judgement's on anyone else.
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| We might be wrong in our opinion's of these controversial topic's, but we are still Sikh's of the Guru - as you are. Setting aside those differences we can still work together as Sikh's to educate ourselves further.
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| My view on such controversial matter's is to limit the amount of emotion that one exhibit's towards one side or the other, because one day, one's opinion might turn out to be wrong, based on the facts that are obtained. Until then, it's best to just gather knowledge from all sides.
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| I hope you the best..
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| --[[User:Gurumanyogranth|ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕ ਗਰ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ (eikaa baanee eik gur eiko sabadh veechaar.)]] 05:13, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
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| == Sorry Veerji ==
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| Sorry veerji,
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| The article was not intended to be written "cleverly".
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| In addition veerji, you have misinterpreted Prof. Darshan Singh's views and character, immensely. It gives no one the right to judge someone especially if there aren't any facts to support it. You don't know half the story between the actual discussions between Prof. Darshan Singh (when he was Jathedar of Akal Takhat) and Harbhajan Singh ji.
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| As well, Prof. Darshan Singh was Jathedar of Akat Takhat, and he still follows Maryada as he use to, he from all people respects Akal Takhat than you, me or Sikhiwiki - I know who he is, which is why I can say this.
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| To be more precise veerji, Akal Takhat is a sidanth (an ideal), not a bunch of Jathedar's, Sikhi was never based on a set few to make decisions, it was always out in the open, in front of the Sangat.
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| In addition veerji, I am not trying to "preach Darshan Singh". I respect all individual's who follow the Guru Granth Sahib ji and help other's learn its teachings. Even if they are not a Sikh, to me, the value of the action is more than some slander I hear over some news papers or panthic.org ;)
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| Thank you ji.
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| --[[User:Gurumanyogranth|ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕ ਗਰ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ (eikaa baanee eik gur eiko sabadh veechaar.)]] 22:56, 21 October 2010 (EDT)
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| == which mistake! ==
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| Veer ji, {{SSA}}
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| You cannot make any mistake; I know that you are wise and very able. May Waheguru continue to bless you. No need to apologise as I did not take it in a nasty way as I know that you are still annoyed and it is your anger which is "talking"; the real Lucky is always wise and upright.
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| I am sorry that I cannot do what you want but I hope that when you get to my sort of age, you will appreciate that balance and slow change has its advantages; also don't always listen to the loudest noise more; calm reflection and equal consideration are terribly important!
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| I am researching the background to how and who elects the jathedar of the Takhat and any source that you can direct me to will be very helpful. I understand that basically the jathedar is "appointed" by the political party members and as such is on their payroll; also, that the SGPC can "fire" the jathedar! Is this correct?
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| This is in sharp contrast to the Pope who is chosen by the bishops (not politicians) and once chosen is the "commander" of the organisation. He fires others but no one can fire him.
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| Any help would be most welcome, Guru bakshish karan. [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:39, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
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| =this site is not better for you=
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| Sat sri akal veer ji, ki haal hai.
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| aap ji ne is site te wadiya kamm kit hai, aap ji naal contact kitey nu sama ho geya hai, us din vi aap ji naal gall nahi ho payi si sorry. main jelly veer naal gall kiti hai te ustaad veer nu vi keha hai te aap ji nu vi kehna chahunda haan, ki tusi log talented ho, discover krde ho hamesha kuj na kuj, sikhiwiki te i think tusi achi contribution kiti hai te bohot samey to kiti hai. jiddan ki eh sikhiwiki sikhnet da hissa hai jo further jogi ne te jog matt da te ehna da purana rishta hai te nanak sahib ji jog matt de vipreet ne. Ehna websites ton eh kamaunde ne te jog matt nu upar chadaunde ne, so eh Sikhiwiki usi da hissa hai, te gumat de against wrti jandi hai.
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| mai vi pehlan is te article create kn nu aa gya see, lekin jd ehna bare vichar kita tan ethey article ceate krna theek nahin, eh mix aith people kisi aith de sagey nahin. mainu jelly veer ne sadeya see ek article banaun nu oh main vich he chd ke ja reha haan.
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| aap ji nu ik anurodh hai ki tusi aapne wallon ik wiki tyaar karo, jo tusi mehnat is te laayi hai oh mehnat better hai us te lao, nishkaam kro kamm te sikhi da online prchar kro. ehna ne golkan kholian ne kharcha ehna da hazaran ch hai te kamande lakhan ch. ehna waste articles ikhn di koi zaroorat nahi, kidron copy kr ke ehna da database banaun di vi koi zaroorat nahi. baaki aap ji samajhdaar hon.
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| kirpa krke jelly veer naal gall kr leo, ohna naal main ik gall khul ke sanjhi kiti hai.
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| main ajj ton baad is web portal te ana pasand nahi kranga. sochyo zaroor, tusi jogiaan layi km kr rhe ho
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| ([[User:Avtarsinghdelhi|Avtarsinghdelhi]] 19:18, 27 October 2010 (EDT))
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| == user account deletion procedure ==
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| Veer ji,
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| As with all pages that need to be deleted put the template <pre> {{delete}} </pre> on the page and soon the page will be deleted or amended to fit the aim of this website.
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| I am sorry the user page recently deleted was redirected to another page and so when I deleted the page, only the redirected page got deleted; however on seeing your message I looked at the issue again and that is when I realised what had happened. So I don't think we need to get the technical guys involved; hopefully that has been resolved. Many thanks and kind regards. Guru de fateh, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:39, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
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| == Bandi Chorr and Diwali - Different days? ==
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| Veer ji,
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| With due respect, Veer ji, I think you may be a little confused with the dates, according to the site '''[http://www.theholidayspot.com/diwali/calendar.htm here]''', below are listed the dates for Diwali obtained from this webite. Checking these with the dates for Bandi Chhor quoted on Sikhiwiki '''[[Bandi_Chhor_Divas#Dates_for_celebration_of_this_event|here]]''' they appears to be the same - So, I do not think we can say that the two festivals '''".....occurs on different days"'''. Surely they occur on the '''same day!'''
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| '''Year Day & Dates''' <br>
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| Diwali 2008 : Tuesday, October 28 <br>
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| Diwali 2010 : Friday, November 5 <br>
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| Diwali 2011 : Wednesday, October 26 <br>
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| Diwali 2012 : Tuesday, November 13 <br>
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| Diwali 2013 : Sunday, November 3 <br>
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| Diwali 2014 : Thursday, October 23 <br>
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| Diwali 2015 : Wednesday, November 11 <br>
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| Diwali 2016 : Sunday, October 30 <br>
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| Diwali 2017 : Thursday, October 19 <br>
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| Diwali 2018 : Wednesday, November 7 <br>
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| Diwali 2019 : Sunday, October 27 <br>
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| Diwali 2020 : Saturday, November 14 <br>
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| Diwali 2021 : Thursday, November 4 <br>
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| Diwali 2022 : Monday, October 24 <br>
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| Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 06:16, 7 November 2010 (EST)
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| == Bandi Chorr and other items ==
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| Veer ji,
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| Many thanks for the clarification of the difference between the dates for Bandi Chorr and Diwali. I have clarified the technical aspect and the common understanding on our article and I will read a bit more on this and make other modifications in due course. I have also seen the link at http://www.historicalgurudwaras.com/Files/BandiChodDivas.php
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| Many thanks for your keen observation.
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| '''Facebook connect:''' Veer ji, this is an experiment to try to get more exposure for SikhiWiki; we have about [[Google 2010|1.1 million hits per month]] and about 150,000 visitors per month - that needs to increase if we are to reach even a small percentage of the 6 billion humans on Earth!
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| Various sites for the possible position of the new "facebook like" button were considered and in the end this seemed the most appropriate. It does tease the user and hopefully we will get some great response in the number of new visitors and contributors.
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| '''Others:''' Thanks for sharing the information about Gurudwara Pehli Patshahi (Baroch) - it would be nice if we can get some dates for the visit by Guru Nanak.
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| '''Sandy Travels''' Veer ji - I did not find the link please could you kindly add that - looks like an interesting site!
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| Kind regards and many thanks for your continued help as always, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 21:41, 11 November 2010 (EST)
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| == Sandy Travels page ==
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| Veer ji,
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| I too have not found anything on the page that you uploaded with a reference to Guru Nanak. I am afraid the credibility of the author is diminished when they use such "weak" material to support their research. Also looking quickly at the site of [http://satguru.weebly.com/biodata.html Harpal Singh Kasoor], I am not convinced of the depth of the research; I think he has good intentions and may be that there is truth in his theories but the documentation does not fully support his theories (yet!).
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| The important fact is that this sakhi (Guru Nanak in Mecca) is mentioned in the Janamsakhis and by Bhai Gurdas; for me that is sufficient. I think it will be difficult to find independent proof of this as many millions visit Mecca and their names are not preserved; I think Baba ji when their as a holy person and not for any other mission. Just like Baba ji visited thousands of other holy places, he visited Mecca and Hardwar, etc.
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| I will spent a little more time on the sites that you referred to and then revert back to you again soon. Many thanks an kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 08:36, 13 November 2010 (EST)
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| Bhai Sahib ji, this story reminds me of the supposed photo of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, that some Gurdwaras were displaying, unaware that the photo was actually of an Afgan, [[Sher Ali Khan]] and his cadre. I do not know if they have ever learned about the photo.
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| [[User:Allenwalla|Allenwalla]] 13:37, 13 November 2010 (EST)
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| == Sandy Travels - Page 97 and Mecca ==
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| Veer ji, {{SSA}}
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| Many thanks for the message. I think you are right; we need to counter some of these vague claims being made as it has a negative impact on our genuine history. I will gather material on this and make a start soon so that there is some opposition to these fictitious claims. Many thanks for you help in highlighting this site and its impact on Sikhi history; please send me any further references that you may come across. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 10:03, 21 November 2010 (EST)
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| Veer ji, It is important to maintain a balance; by all means start an article but deal with each point in a balanced way so that we do not give the impression that we are negative about people who trying to further boundaries of Sikhi. Obviously, we want people to carry out new research and that has to be encouraged but at the same time the research has to be thorough and have merit so that we can properly rely on it. So, yes by all means but please deal with each point in a methodical and scientific manner. Good luck and Guru mahar karan, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 14:58, 21 November 2010 (EST)
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| Veer ji, No, just opposing someone is not in itself negative; if the underlying goal is noble and one approaches the subject in a constructive manner, then that is not in my opinion a negative action.
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| *2) Write something about sandy's travel - ''again this is more in-depth research and could be useful to give an overall picture of the travels''
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| *3) Give misinterpretations of page used by people. ''yes - as a comparison so the errors can be seen; no need to dig the nail in!''
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| *4) tell the right way of research. ''may be?''
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| *5) Telling that how bad research is anti to sikhism using adi granth and dasam granth. ''well, just bad research can hurt genuine Sikh history and damage our image. Our history should be supported by strong credible facts and historical evidence''
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| Let us try this article and I am sure we will achieve a good result. Raab Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 14:31, 22 November 2010 (EST)
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| == Baba Sri Chand ==
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| Veer ji, {{SSA}}
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| Many thanks for the message; I am trying to understand exactly what has been added and taken away from the article. In the meantime, I have locked the article so that we can understand where we stand on the contents.
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| My short initial reading of the changes cannot reach any decisive viewpoint; I will try and spend more time in the next few days. If there are any suggestions, please post them on the article discussion page.
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| My general view is that Baba Sri Chand was not selected as Guru but that he was enlightened enough to become the leader of the Usasi movement - so there are merits which need to be considered. I also accept that the Guru's bard have expressed a somewhat negative view of the "sons of Nanak". I will try and revert to you in due course.
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| Kind regards and many thanks for your concern and determination; I am most grateful to you. Raab Rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 16:38, 16 December 2010 (EST)
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| == Selfishness at Sikhiwiki? ==
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| Veer ji, {{WKWF}}
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| I am sorry I have been away from my desk for the last day or so. I have noted your comments and have noticed the changes to the article with great interest. I will look at the changes in greater detail and revert back to you in the next few days. Unfortunately, I have a few pressing personal tasks to deal with urgently so I hope you will allow me a few days to discover the truth and reality behind these amendments.
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| Having read my comments to you in the last post I must apologise to you as we have not been able to resolve the differences in this article as many issues that I was not aware of have surfaced. My understanding is that due to the popularity of our website, many people are hurt by some of the points made in the article. Although this is a hurdle which will now take some time to cross, it is a positive reaction as it highlights the plain fact that what is said at Sikhiwiki now matters!
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| Veer ji, I am sure you remember that time when many articles remained incomplete for months and no one would have noticed; now we have to analyse each and every line as many eyes scrutinise our words. I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
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| I can assure you that neutrality and Gurmat are paramount and dear to my heart and I agree with you that no one sided view is healthy for SikhiWiki. I also agree with you that the saying of [[Gurbani]] are the very foundations of this website. Please be assured that I will deal with this to the best of my ability. I thank you for your continued vigilance and support. Raab rakha, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 20:52, 15 February 2011 (EST)
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| == Sat Sri Akaal ==
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| Many thanks for your message about the Dasam Granth. I look forward to reading some of the exciting points that you have mentioned about the new research. I am most grateful for your dedication and hard work in this respect. Hopefully, it will allow us to understand Gurmat better and in new directions which perhaps we did not see before. Good luck with this venture.
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| I hope this helps. Regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 08:37, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
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| == History of Dasam Granth ==
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| Thank you for your message. I am happy that you are researching the above topic and I look forward to understanding a little more of the known facts in this regard.
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| Please be reassured that we will do our best to protect the known facts and Gurmat viewpoint and that we will not allow political and other negative elements to interfere with any topic. I am sure you have seen that in that respect we have all tried to act as independently as possible but in a humble, polite and consistent way.
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| The most important thing is that we promote, without fear the true ideas of our Guru, no matter if they are tough to digest and may be unpopular with the masses. I believe that the Truth has to be promoted at all times. Please have no doubt as we are on the same side as the Guru and so I am sure that the Truth will always prevail.
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| Please continue with your research and articles and I will make sure that we get no negative interference in this work. I am ready for the truth about this topic! Kind regards and Guru's blessings, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 07:38, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
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| ==17th Century==
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| During this century, Guru Gobind Singh left his holy abode.
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| left his holy abode = means what? Left Where? As he lived into the 18th century, I am confused as to what you mean - Anandpur Sahib? Or are you talking about his death? Thanks, [[User:Allenwalla|Allenwalla]] 20:37, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
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| == Taking credit ==
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| Veer ji, I noticed oh the Nihang page you were taking credit in the photo. Did you make the graphic? Paapi seems to have taken the photos? Shouldn't he also be credited in the caption if he took the photos?
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| [[User:Allenwalla|Allenwalla]] 02:42, 30 April 2011 (EDT)
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| By Mistake, I Removed that. ([[User:Hpt lucky|Lucky]] 03:03, 30 April 2011 (EDT))
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| == Message sent to Hpu Lucky ==
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| Veer ji,
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| I have sent the following message to the new user:
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| Dear Hpu Lucky ji<br><br>
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| Unfortunately, your user name is very similar to 'Hpt Lucky' who is a prominent contributor here at SikhiWiki. Could you please register a different user name avoiding the names in the list shown here - http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Special:ActiveUsers so that there is no confusion about each user's contributions. I will be most obliged to you for your confirmation.<br><br>
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| Many thanks for your co-operation. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:41, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
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| The user appears to be a student based in north Europe. I will keep you posted on any reply that I receive from the user. Guru's greetings and best wishes, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 18:41, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
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| == [[Sikh Books]] ==
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| Veer ji, {{SSA}}
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| I have made a note of this article and will try and make entries here soon. Many thanks for bringing the page to my attention. Kind regards and Guru's blessings. [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 22:49, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
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| == Over use of adjective ==
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| I agree with you that we probably do overuse adjectives and give less value to the underlying noun or pronoun - but that is common in other aspects of life. Due to the common use of some of the words, like Sikh or Gursikh for any person who shows even a little allegiance to the Gurus, we revert to using adjectives like devout or dedicated Gursikh to convey the fact that the person is not just a "common Gursikh" but more than just a "common Gursikh".
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| The same applies to other aspects in life: Its like an addict or even a common person; as we get more and more used to certain foods or drugs, then we want different or more of the same to have the same effect on us.
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| So it is the same with the use of language. Thanks for sharing. Kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 14:31, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
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| == Guru Granth Sahib on meat ==
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| Veer ji, {{SSA}}
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| I do not agree that the [[Gurbani]] below is focussed on the real matters under consideration in the article and therefore should not be included right at the top of this article. The article deals directly and particularly with what Gurbani says about meat.
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| The Gurbani quoted below on the other hand deals with all types of life forms; how they are born; that the glorious fact that God pervaded in every atom and ray of light that exists in the universe.
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| The beings born of eggs, born of the womb, born of the earth and born of sweat, all are created by You.
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| How does this help us understand what the Guru is saying about meat?
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| In my opinion, these tuks say nothing about meat at all and so I would humbly suggest that we leave these tuks out of the article.
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| On the other hand, the idea may be that as the Guru is saying that God is in everything, we should not eat at anything at all! and starve ourselves! Again this does not make any sense to me.
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| The last option may be that we should eat anything and everything as there is no difference between any life form as God is in everything! If this is correct then there is no limitation and cannibalism would be allowed as well. Again, this is not not what Gurbani promotes.
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| So, Veer ji, I do not understand how the addition of these tuks will help the reader understand this concept better! Perhaps you can help me see out of this clouded arena?
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| Best wishes and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 08:14, 4 July 2011 (EDT)
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| You are asking me to define plant meat and animal meat? How will that help us?
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| My opinions are not important at present. The important thing is to understand what the Guru is telling us?
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| When we are working on the Gurbani view of things, then I am sure you will agree that we should just concentrate on that one topic that is under discussion.
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| I accept that there are 4 ways in which a being can takes birth in this world.
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| What I find difficult to understand is how that has any relevance to the topic of meat. We don't need a diet chart - the definition of what is good or bad is on that page under discussion.Eating plants will not take you to heaven! If that was true then all the goats, cows, horses, etc would have filled up the heavens! Similarly, eating meat does not guarantee you hell - Bhagat Sadhana is proof of that.
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| The real position is much more delicate and one needs to mediate on Gurbani to see where the balance lies. No lines of Gurbani scare me - what is not acceptable is to mix unwanted or unnecessary complication to a simple subject matter. If the tuks that you inserted has a relevance, please explain what it is.
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| To me the concept of how a being is born is not relevant to the topic that is covered in the article and it is a concept which may not be misleading but it is certainly confusing! Why confuse the issue? I think we should keep the Gurbani focussed on the actual topic being considered - which is what does Gurbani say about meat - killing animals, eating them or sacrificing them. I accept what you say about the fact that all forms have a life but how does that have any impact on the Gurbani that is already on that page.
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| No professor is required to understand Gurbani. We need to listen, understand and have our own views. Baba Deep Singh did not listen to any professor or any Giani or to the SGPC! He meditated on the Gurbani and followed the words of the Guru.
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| Before you promote any habits, please only quote the tuks from Gurbani, please veer ji, don't quote from politician, especially from Punjab or any other person who has not followed the words of the Guru.
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| The article does not refer to words of yogi ji, or anyone else apart from the Guru and Bhai Gurdas ji; also all the tuks are focussed on the topic under discussion. So please Bhai sahib let us not divert to unnecessary worldly influences and concentrate on the real essence of Gurbani.
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| You say "All interpretatiuons in that article have nothing to take with meat issue at all" then why don't you deal with each shabad on the discussion page? That is the right way to deal with any disagreement and not by inserting oblique tuks into the article!
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| You also say "Those interpretations in english are pretty bad, and now all takhats are coming out with new and logical and inline with gurmat interpretations as they all accepted the fact that all translations, interprtetations done previously have nothing to take with gurmat." Well let us see what warping can be done of the tuks. Please discuss the tuks in Punjabi if you wish but do not add your spin to the words and let us focus on the topics under consideration. Guru bhalee karan. May the Guru bless you. Kind regards and best wishes, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 14:32, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
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| == [[Dasam Bani in Sikh History]] ==
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| Veer ji, {{SSA}}
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| Many thanks for the suggestion; it's an excellent candidate for a [[FA]]. I will get an image together and start assembling this as soon as possible. Warm regards and keep well, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 23:12, 5 September 2011 (EDT)
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| Thanks Veer ji for the reply. I will finalise the FA next week. Kind regards and Guru's blessings, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 11:43, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
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| ==ਵਾਹਿਗਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ ==
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| ਹਰਪਰੀਤ ਵੀਰ ਜੀ.
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| ਆਪ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਧੰਨਵਾਦ ਆਪ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਦਿੱਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਲੇਖ ਬਣਾ ਕੇ ਦਿੱਤਾ | ਆਪ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਕਹੇ ਮਤਾਬਿਕ ਸਾਡੇ ਗਰਪ ਦੇ ਮੇੰਬਰ ਇਸ ਲੇਖ ਨੂੰ ਝਡੀਟ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਇਸੀ ਵਿਚ ਬਦਲਾਆ ਕਰ ਦੇਣ ਗੇ | ਆਪ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਮੈਂ ਕਝ ਲੇਖ ਭੇਜਾਂਗਾ ਹੋ ਸਕੇ ਤਾਂ ਸਿਖੀ ਵਿਕੀ ਦੇ ਮਰਿਆਦਾ ਮਤਾਬਿਕ ਪਾ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਜਾਵਣ | ਵਾਹਿਗਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ ([[User:SikhiSearch|SikhiSearch]] 03:09, 11 October 2011 (EDT))
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| == Fauja Singh ==
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| Hello, would you be so kind to upload your photo of Fauja Singh on Wikipedia Commons? I wrote an article about him [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fauja_Singh] for the German Wikipedia, and there is a portrait photo of him, but it would be nicer to see him running. Thank you, --[[User:FraenziausKoeln|Nicola]] 13:16, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
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| Veer ji, {{SSA}}
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| Is it correct that you wish your user account name to be removed; but you are still using it. Would like to create a new account first and then I can delete this one. I think that will be a better sequence to use. Please let me know. Thanks and kind regards, [[user:hari singh|Hari Singh]]<sup>[[User talk:Hari singh|talk]]</sup> 21:17, 17 October 2011 (EDT)
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