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Good informative article, Hari ji.

As is said in the long discussion page of Hari Singh Nalwa, I had always thought that beads were solely a means of keeping count and had no magical intent, yet the controversy (see the long page of rebutals keep going on. I asked what the big deal was and never got an answer.

Thinking that there must be something that kept this going, the objection to this as an almost 'evil' practice, with your repeated responses - (paraphrasing) no its just a picture which enhances the story - only a means of keeping count.

  • 1 it seemed to me you were already busy with plenty of other things to do.
  • 2 I wanted to understand what it was, like the one ember that the fireman never finds, that rekindles the fire - that kept the retorts on the discussion page coming.

But it was when I saw that one of my fellow users had changed the illustration to an old photo of an Afghan, who might as a younger man, have actually been the man who fired the shot that killed the General that I started my still unfinished digital painting, hopefully one day I will have the time to improve my photoshop skills and improve my meager attempt at depicting the General, or someone will change it for a better one.

On seeing this article added today I remembered some of the research I had done at the time. Jade, pearls maybe even gold beads were not a problem for the likes of Shah Jahan or Chandu Shah, but surely such wealthy men didn't think valuable stones would enhance the power of their prayers, but remembering an item I had read at the time, where mere seeds and the number of their convolutions were fetching hundreds of dollars per seed I looked up the word Rudraksha again.

The first of the results (1 of 282,000) in my search was very revealing, excerpt below:

Rudraksha is very dear to lord Shiva and hence all the sins of a man get destroyed if he chants the name of Lord Shiva using a Rudraksha beads…

It seems that, as Guru Nanak was telling the men doing their ritual bath in a river they held holy, as they threw water at the sun (to quench the thirst) of their long dead ancestors' souls…

It wasn't the rituals - it was the way one lived his live and treated his fellow men.

The belief in jadu was being associated with 'bead telling', expecting magical results and believing that a bath in one holy river, or bathing a holy stone, or doing a pilgrimage to a certain site, as Guru Angad had done his whole - earlier life - was better than another - and could by doing so, could clean one's soul of a life of sin.

Allenwalla 18:31, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


"...Simranee, prayer beads or Rosaries are used by Sikhs.."“ਕਬੀਰ ਜਪਨੀ ਕਾਠ ਕੀ ਕਿਆ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਲੋਇ॥ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਰਾਮ੝ ਨ ਚੇਤਹੀ ਇਹ ਜਪਨੀ ਕਿਆ ਹੋਇ॥” {ਪੰਨਾ 1368}

  • ....akal kar likh na kaly lykh apndy griban mhi sir neeva kar vykh... Let us not write against the spirit of Pavan Satgurbani
  • ...Jyta keeta tyta nau..... Whatever one writes goes to hir credit
  • ....Karmee aapo aapxe ky nydy ky duur.... every one is accountable for hir own deeds. Interpersonal worldly equations are of no consequence

ikk O TrueName Writer^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Khalsa Singh Nirvair Idol of Satgurbani Steadfast & Self Realised !!! Through the grace of Gurbani Khalsa. pens your true Name .....Jpu: NOT TRUE

Gur Khalsa. Ftyh! --Amar Kaur 10:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)