Talk:Bachitar Natak: Writing of Guru Gobind Singh?

Ideological mistakes

Poets father did pilgrimages

• The writer's father visited many places of pilgrimages, which is against Sikhism and thus this shows that the writer cannot by tenth Guru and Guru Tegh Bahadur couldn't be the father who it is argued would not visit places of pilgrimage.

“My parents went on a pilgrimage to the eastern country to bathe at holy places and give charity. As a consequence thereof, their prayers were answered and my mother was blessed with me in her womb.” Here the writer contradicts his earlier statement: “When I was meditating on Mahankal (Shiv Ji) and Kalika (goddess) on a snowy mountain called Hem Kunt, my parents were praying to God and perfecting their Yogic discipline. When God was pleased with them, He ordered me to take birth in the age of Kalijug.”

Here again the writer does not know that Sikh Gurus had rejected the essentials Hinduism. So, their going to sacred Hindu centers to perform rituals to seek the boon of a child does not arise.

First of all you should have proper Santhya of Gurbani and Dasam Bani. It's Mahakaal Kaal Ka Aradhi, not Mahakaal Kalika Aradhi. Writer knows that Pathar Puja is rejected and so the pilgrimages. If you have read bachittar natak properly poet mentioned in beginnig "ਸਦਾ ਝਕ ਜੋਤਯੰ ਅਜੂਨੀ ਸਰੂਪੰ ॥" What is Ajooni? What is Ek Jot? (paapi 07:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

Condemns all previous "prophets"

• The Poet says that all prophets before him are fake. Poet tried to break communal Harmony; this not in keeping with the tone of the holy Guru Granth.

ਜੇ ਜੇ ਭਝ ਪਹਿਲ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਆਪ੝ ਆਪ੝ ਤਿਨ ਜਾਪ੝ ਉਚਾਰਾ ॥ All the earlier incarnations caused only their names to be remembered.

ਪ੝ਰਭ ਦੋਖੀ ਕੋਈ ਨ ਬਿਦਾਰਾ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਕਰਨ ਕੋ ਰਾਹ੝ ਨ ਡਾਰਾ ॥੪੪॥ They did not strike the tyrants and did not make them follow th path of Dharma.44.

ਜੇ ਜੇ ਗਉਸ ਅੰਬੀਆ ਭਝ ॥ ਮੈ ਮੈ ਕਰਤ ਜਗਤ ਤੇ ਗਝ ॥ All the earlier prophets ended themselves in ego.

ਮਹਾਪ੝ਰਖ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਕੋ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੪੫॥ And did not comprehend the supreme Purusha, they did not care for the righteous actions.45.

Pro Bachitar Natak people often say that the poet has mentioned 9 Gurus in a nice way, and only condemned others IS FAKE. As we can see above, the poet says JE JE, means ALL. He contradicted himself here, as done by him several times; such as in the 'Poet confusion'

Was Guru Nanak a Avtar or a Prophet? (paapi 07:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

God of Bachitar Natak

The God described in “my own story” is helpless, frustrated and confused. He is more like an incompetent manger without control over his subordinates. The God described in “my own story” is contradictory to the God described in AGGS, Who is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent, Creator and Controller of every thing in the creation and is happy and content watching it.

Thats Poetry man. Shingar Rass. read it and find the essence. Motive of Poet was not to tell omnipresent and omnipotent motive was something else. Why are we Lakeer de fakir? (paapi 07:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

Poet confusion

“Whatever I have created and whosoever I have sent to the world so far, did not bring Me glory. Son, all my hopes are on you, go there, straighten out the world and spread My glory.” After this God narrated the story of creation: “After creating the world, I created the demons, who turned out to be unfaithful. These tyrants stopped My worship. So I got angry at the demons and destroyed them in a moment and replaced them with Shiv Ji, Vishnu, and Brahma. They too turned out to be untrustworthy; as they refused to recognize Me and instead proclaimed themselves to be God. Then I created eight witnesses to monitor the actions of living beings. But they too proclaimed that there is no one else other than them worthy of worship. Instead of worshiping Me, stupid people started worshiping gods, sun, moon, air, and fire. Many of them started worshiping stones and performing rituals. Then I created human beings, who got enchanted by the material world (maya) and started worshiping idols.”

Here, the storyteller is confused. If human beings were the last in the sequence of creation then who were worshiping sun, moon, fire, and air and stones and performing rituals? Were they not human beings? Did they belong to another kind of human species? Besides, why did God choose the writer of “his own story,” who was also a worshiper of Mahan Kal and Kalika, to glorify His name?

Chronological mistakes

• Poet places Ramanand in history before Muhammad. If we study history, Ramanands birth is said to be between 1366 and 1400, and Muhammad was born in 570. Such a big mistake could not have been made by Guru Gobind Singh.

“After this, I sent ascetics and saints with supernatural powers, who turned out to be rascals. They started their own sects and did not recognize Me. Then I sent Gorakh Nath followed by Rama Nand and Prophet Mohammed, who like their predecessors, established their own sects and led people astray and ignored Me.” Here the writer displays his ignorance of history and the teachings of Ramanad and Prophet Mohammed. Prophet Mohammed was born several hundred years earlier than Gorakh Nath and he believed in “One and only God” he called Allah. And Rama Nand was a monotheist who adored God, that is why his composition is in AGGS. Moreover, the followers of the ProphetMuslims controlled vast territory in Asia, Africa and Europe. On the other hand Gorakh Nath’s followers believed in millions of gods and goddesses and their country was ruled by Muslims. Besides, Gorakh Nath’s followers were free loadersthey made living by exploiting others through trickery and witchcraft.

Other mistakes

• The description of circumcision is vulgar ling bina - without penis instead of the proper Arabic word, sunat (suMnq) used in the AGGS.

It is not Vulgar? We make words vulgar remember. (paapi 07:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

• It is noteworthy that in this story the writer makes no mention of other Semitic prophets, Moses and Jesus Christ.

So what? Gaus word denote all aulias and prophets. (paapi 07:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

• Says that first three Gurus were Bedis, while second Guru was Trehan and third was Bhalla. Even SGGS (Panna 1396 and 1401) says that third Guru was a Bhalla.

So whats problem? (paapi 07:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

Guru Tegh Bahadurs Shaheedi

In chapter five the writer says that Guru Teg Bahadar sacrificed his life was for the protection of the frontal mark and the sacred thread of the Brahmans. This is a very narrow and sectarian interpretation of Guru Teg Bahdur’s unique and unparalleled martyrdom. Guru Teg Bahadar sacrificed his life to defend the human rights of all the subjugated Indian people. It was a sacrifice in the defense of religious tolerance and freedom of worship and conscience and against bigotry. It is a historical coincidence that Kashmiri Brahmans sought his help to protect their religion. If the circumstances have been reverse, he would have done the same for Muslims. Guru Hargobid Sahib built a masque called “Guru KI Maseet” for the Muslims. It is preserved as a historical monument in the district of Gurdaspur, Punjab.

Guru Sahib just gave brief description he was not writing his Father history. Atam Katha means history of himself. What he wrote about Guru Sahib marks strong impact. Sees diya par see na uchri, Dharam het saka jin kita(paapi 07:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

Battles

Battle of Bhangani

There is no mention of the sacrifice of Pir Budhu Shah in the battle of Bhangani and the help by Khan brothers, Rai Kalah and others to Guru Gobind Singh.

What's problem if not mentioned. If Bhai Gurdas didnot mentioned name of whole sikhs of baba nanak it means whole vaars are false?(paapi 07:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

No Humility

Statements that contradict Sikh ethics humility, forgiveness and compassion. The ones that didn't participate

jy jy nr q~h n iBry dIny ngr inkwr ] je je nar tah na bhire deene nagar nikar. jy iqh Taur Bly iBry iqnY krI pRiqpwr ] je teh thaur bhale bhire tinai karee paritpar.

“Those who did not participate in the battle (to help us) were forced to leave the town, whereas those who did were rewarded.”

Sikhs know that Guru Har Gobind Sahib forgave Emperor Jahangir, who was responsible for the cruel death of his father, Guru Arjan Dev. Sikhs also know that Guru Gobind Singh forgave Emperor Aurangjeb, who was responsible for the death of his father, mother, four sons and hundreds of Sikhs. Sikh Gurus were the embodiment of humility, compassion and forgiveness. How could any Sikh in his right mind believe that Guru Gobind Singh forced people to leave the town simply because they did not help him in the battle? Treatment of enemies

Talking about the treatment of the enemies the writer say: “The wicked) ones were tortured and they died like dogs.” tWg tWg kir hny indwnw ] tang tang kar hane nidana. kUkr ijim iqn qjy pRwnw ] kookar jim tin the prana. Now compare this statement with the story of Bhai Kanhyia. When Sikhs complained to Guru Gobind Singh that Bahi Kanhyia was helping the wounded enemies, he hugged Bhai Kanhyia and honored him by calling him a true Sikh. How could any Sikh believe that Guru Gobind Singh degraded his enemies to the level of dogs and tortured them to death?