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with false hearts the rebels wander, without any load of virtues
with false hearts the rebels wander, without any load of virtues
==English translations of relevant lines==
===original Gurbani===
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ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰੀ ਕਉਲ੝ ਨ ਪਾਲਿਓ ਕਰਿ ਪੀਰਹ੝ ਕੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹ ਮ੝ਰਟੀਝ ॥ <br>
ਦਿਲਿ ਖੋਟੈ ਆਕੀ ਫਿਰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਬੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਭਾਰ੝ ਉਚਾਇਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਛਟੀਝ ॥  <br>
.....
ਸਿਖਾਂ  ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰਾਂ  ਘੋਖਿ  ਕੈ  ਸਭ  ਉਮਤਿ  ਵੇਖਹ੝  ਜਿ  ਕਿਓਨ੝  ॥  <br>
ਜਾਂ  ਸ੝ਧੋਸ੝  ਤਾਂ  ਲਹਣਾ  ਟਿਕਿਓਨ੝  ॥੪॥ </big>
===Khalsa version===
His sons did not obey His Word; they turned their backs on Him as Guru. <br>
These evil-hearted ones became rebellious; they carry loads of sin on their backs. <br>
.....
Guru Nanak tested His Sikhs and His sons, and everyone saw what happened.  <br>
When Lehna alone was found to be pure, then He was set on the throne. ||4||
===Bhai Manmohan Singh===
The Guru's sons obeyed not his word and turned their back upon the proclaimed Guru.  <br>
The evil-hearted sons turned rebels and making a sack-Load of sins, carry it on their head. <br>
.....
Nanak tested his sikhs and his sons and all his sect saw what he had done. <br>
When Lahna was found immaculate, then alone the Guru established him on the throne.
===Dr Gopal Singh===
===Pritam Singh Chahil===
==Teeka (P. Sahib Singh) & Punajbi (B Manmohan Singh) ==
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ਗ੝ਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਪ੝ੱਤਾਂ ਨੇ ਗ੝ਰਾਂ ਦਾ ਬਚਨ ਨਾਂ ਮੰਨਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਟਿਕੇ ਹੋਝ ਗ੝ਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਪ੝ਰਵਾਹ ਨਾਂ ਕੀਤੀ। 
ਖੋਟੇ ਦਿਲ ਵਾਲੇ ਪ੝ਤੱਰ ਬਾਗੀ ਹੋ ਗਝ ਅਤੇ ਪਾਪਾਂ ਦੀ ਡੱਟ ਦਾ ਬੋਝ ਬਣਾ, ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਿਰ ਤੇ ਚ੝ੱਕ ਤ੝ਰੇ।
ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰੀ = ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰਾਂ  ਨੇ। ਕਉਲ੝ = ਬਚਨ, ਹ੝ਕਮ। ਨ ਪਾਲਿਓ = ਨਹੀਂ ਮੰਨਿਆ। ਕੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹ = ਮੋਢੇ। ਕਰਿ ਕੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹ  = ਮੋਢਾ ਕਰ ਕੇ, ਮੂੰਹ ਮੋੜ ਕੇ, ਪਿੱਠ ਕਰ ਕੇ। ਪੀਰਹ੝ = ਪੀਰ ਵਲੋਂ, ਸਤਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਵਲੋਂ।  ਮ੝ਰਟੀਝ = ਮੋੜਦੇ ਰਹੇ।(ਹੇ  ਗ੝ਰੂ ਅੰਗਦ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ!) ਗ੝ਰੂ (ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ) ਨੇ ਜੋ ਭੀ ਹ੝ਕਮ ਕੀਤਾ, ਆਪ ਨੇ ਸੱਚ  (ਕਰਕੇ ਮੰਨਿਆ, ਅਤੇ ਆਪ ਨੇ) ਉਸ ਦੇ ਮੰਨਣ ਤੋਂ ਨਾਂਹ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤੀ; (ਸਤਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਦੇ)  ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰਾਂ ਨੇ ਬਚਨ ਨ ਮੰਨਿਆ, ਉਹ ਗ੝ਰੂ ਵਲ ਪਿੱਠ ਦੇ ਕੇ ਹੀ (ਹ੝ਕਮ) ਮੋੜਦੇ ਰਹੇ।
ਦਿਲਿ ਖੋਟੈ = ਖੋਟਾ ਦਿਲ  ਹੋਣ ਦੇ ਕਾਰਨ। ਆਕੀ ਫਿਰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ = (ਜੋ) ਆਕੀ ਫਿਰਦੇ ਹਨ। ਬੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ = ਬੰਨ੝ਹ ਕੇ।  ਉਚਾਇਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ = ਚ੝ੱਕਦੇ ਹਨ, ਸਹਾਰਦੇ ਹਨ। ਭਾਰ੝ ਛਟੀਝ = ਛੱਟ ਦਾ ਭਾਰ। (ਨੋਟ: ਲਫ਼ਜ਼  'ਫਿਰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ', ਬੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਅਤੇ 'ਉਚਾਇਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ' ਦੇ ਅੱਖਰ 'ਨ' ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਅੱਧਾ 'ਹ' ਹੈ)।
..........
ਨਾਨਕ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਲੜਕਿਆਂ ਦੀ ਛਾਣ ਬੀਣ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਤੇ ਜੋ ਕ੝ਛ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਕੀਤਾ, ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਪੰਥ ਨੇ ਦੇਖਿਆ। 
ਜਦ ਲਹਿਣਾ ਪਾਕ ਪਵਿੱਤਰ ਪਾਇਆ ਗਿਆ ਤਦ ਹੀ ਗ੝ਰਾਂ ਨੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਰਾਜਸਿੰਘਾਸਣ ਤੇ ਅਸਥਾਪਨ ਕੀਤਾ।
   
ਘੋਖਿ ਕੈ = ਪਰਖ ਕੇ {ਨੋਟ:  ਪ੝ਰਾਣੀ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਦੇ 'ਕੈ' ਦੇ ਥਾਂ ਅੱਜ ਕੱਲ ਅਸੀਂ 'ਕੇ' ਵਰਤਦੇ ਹਾਂ}। ਉਮਤਿ = ਸੰਗਤਿ।  ਜਿ = ਜੋ ਕ੝ਝ। ਕਿਓਨ੝ = ਕੀਤਾ ਉਸ (ਗ੝ਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ) ਨੇ। ਸ੝ਧੋਸ੝ = ਸੋਧਿਆ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ; ਸੋਧ  ਕੀਤੀ ਉਸ ਦੀ। ਟਿਕਿਓਨ੝ = ਟਿੱਕਿਆ ਉਸ ਨੇ; ਚ੝ਣਿਆ ਉਸ (ਗ੝ਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ) ਨੇ।੪।(ਗ੝ਰੂ  ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ) ਆਤਮਾ (ਬਾਬਾ ਲਹਣਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ) ਆਤਮਾ ਵਿਚ ਇਉਂ ਮਿਲ ਗਈ ਕਿ ਗ੝ਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ  ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ 'ਆਪੇ' (ਬਾਬਾ ਲਹਣਾ ਜੀ) ਨਾਲ ਸਾਂਵਾਂ ਕਰ ਲਿਆ। ਹੇ ਸਾਰੀ  ਸੰਗਤਿ! ਵੇਖੋ, ਜੋ ਉਸ (ਗ੝ਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ) ਨੇ ਕੀਤਾ, ਆਪਣੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਤੇ ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪਰਖ  ਕੇ ਜਦੋਂ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਸ੝ਧਾਈ ਕੀਤੀ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਨੇ (ਆਪਣੇ ਥਾਂ ਲਈ ਬਾਬਾ) ਲਹਣਾ (ਜੀ ਨੂੰ)  ਚ੝ਣਿਆ।੪। </big>


==External links to Sri Chand==
==External links to Sri Chand==
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* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6GP50w46Vc  - Video
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6GP50w46Vc  - Video
* http://www.yogiamandeepsingh.blogspot.com/
* http://www.yogiamandeepsingh.blogspot.com/


==Comments==
==Comments==

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Rai Balwand and Satta tuks

ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰੀ ਕਉਲ੝ ਨ ਪਾਲਿਓ ਕਰਿ ਪੀਰਹ੝ ਕੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹ ਮ੝ਰਟੀਝ ॥ ਦਿਲਿ ਖੋਟੈ ਆਕੀ ਫਿਰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਬੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਭਾਰ੝ ਉਚਾਇਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਛਟੀਝ ॥
Puṯrī ka▫ul na pĝli▫o kar pīrahu kanĥ murtī▫ai. Ḏil kẖotai ĝkī firniĥ banėh bẖĝr ucẖĝ▫iniĥ cẖẖatī▫ai.
The Guru's sons obeyed not his word and turned their back upon the proclaimed Guru.

The evil-hearted sons turned rebels and making a sack-Load of sins, carry it on their head.

Part 1

Gurmukhi Translation Comments
ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰੀ s  daughter or sons in this instance implies sons
ਕਉਲ੝ s  Lotus flower, instructions [1], Sentence[citation needed] Teaching which was spread by Guru Nanak.
Not Na means Not.
ਪਾਲਿਓ s  nurtured, maintain, to complete[2] Kept{fact?}} did not sustain; Not Kept the Promise, words (toone guru ki sikhsha ki palna nahi ki)
ਕਰਿ Done Kar ditta
ਪੀਰਹ੝ s  from Peers, Religious Leader Yogis, Naths was the category, which were inspired with Muslim thought during their regime. They were also called Peers.
ਕੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹ Ear
ਮ੝ਰਟੀਝ s  to turn [3] Pierce[citation needed] ਕੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹ ਮ੝ਰਟੀਝ word goes together, which means he put earrings from Peers.

Meaning 1

The sons did not nurtured the ambrosial message (lotus flower), and turn their ears from the religious leader.

Part 2

Gurmukhi Translation Comments
ਦਿਲਿ s  literally heart; within the heart; mind
ਖੋਟੈ s  untrue; non-genuine; fake; evil
ਆਕੀ s  rebel, defiant, disobedient
ਫਿਰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ s  wander; roam
ਬੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ s  without?, tie, gather; dam, embankment; obstruction, stoppage [4]
ਭਾਰ੝ s  weight, load
ਉਚਾਇਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ s  carry; tolerate
ਛਟੀਝ s  bag, load; virtue; glory

Meaning

Part 2:

with false hearts the rebels wander, without any load of virtues

English translations of relevant lines

original Gurbani

ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰੀ ਕਉਲ੝ ਨ ਪਾਲਿਓ ਕਰਿ ਪੀਰਹ੝ ਕੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹ ਮ੝ਰਟੀਝ ॥
ਦਿਲਿ ਖੋਟੈ ਆਕੀ ਫਿਰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਬੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਭਾਰ੝ ਉਚਾਇਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਛਟੀਝ ॥
.....

ਸਿਖਾਂ ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰਾਂ ਘੋਖਿ ਕੈ ਸਭ ਉਮਤਿ ਵੇਖਹ੝ ਜਿ ਕਿਓਨ੝ ॥
ਜਾਂ ਸ੝ਧੋਸ੝ ਤਾਂ ਲਹਣਾ ਟਿਕਿਓਨ੝ ॥੪॥

Khalsa version

His sons did not obey His Word; they turned their backs on Him as Guru.
These evil-hearted ones became rebellious; they carry loads of sin on their backs.

..... Guru Nanak tested His Sikhs and His sons, and everyone saw what happened.
When Lehna alone was found to be pure, then He was set on the throne. ||4||

Bhai Manmohan Singh

The Guru's sons obeyed not his word and turned their back upon the proclaimed Guru.
The evil-hearted sons turned rebels and making a sack-Load of sins, carry it on their head.
.....


Nanak tested his sikhs and his sons and all his sect saw what he had done.
When Lahna was found immaculate, then alone the Guru established him on the throne.

Dr Gopal Singh

Pritam Singh Chahil

Teeka (P. Sahib Singh) & Punajbi (B Manmohan Singh)

ਗ੝ਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਪ੝ੱਤਾਂ ਨੇ ਗ੝ਰਾਂ ਦਾ ਬਚਨ ਨਾਂ ਮੰਨਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਟਿਕੇ ਹੋਝ ਗ੝ਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਪ੝ਰਵਾਹ ਨਾਂ ਕੀਤੀ। ਖੋਟੇ ਦਿਲ ਵਾਲੇ ਪ੝ਤੱਰ ਬਾਗੀ ਹੋ ਗਝ ਅਤੇ ਪਾਪਾਂ ਦੀ ਡੱਟ ਦਾ ਬੋਝ ਬਣਾ, ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਿਰ ਤੇ ਚ੝ੱਕ ਤ੝ਰੇ।

ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰੀ = ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰਾਂ ਨੇ। ਕਉਲ੝ = ਬਚਨ, ਹ੝ਕਮ। ਨ ਪਾਲਿਓ = ਨਹੀਂ ਮੰਨਿਆ। ਕੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹ = ਮੋਢੇ। ਕਰਿ ਕੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹ = ਮੋਢਾ ਕਰ ਕੇ, ਮੂੰਹ ਮੋੜ ਕੇ, ਪਿੱਠ ਕਰ ਕੇ। ਪੀਰਹ੝ = ਪੀਰ ਵਲੋਂ, ਸਤਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਵਲੋਂ। ਮ੝ਰਟੀਝ = ਮੋੜਦੇ ਰਹੇ।(ਹੇ ਗ੝ਰੂ ਅੰਗਦ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ!) ਗ੝ਰੂ (ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ) ਨੇ ਜੋ ਭੀ ਹ੝ਕਮ ਕੀਤਾ, ਆਪ ਨੇ ਸੱਚ (ਕਰਕੇ ਮੰਨਿਆ, ਅਤੇ ਆਪ ਨੇ) ਉਸ ਦੇ ਮੰਨਣ ਤੋਂ ਨਾਂਹ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤੀ; (ਸਤਿਗ੝ਰੂ ਜੀ ਦੇ) ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰਾਂ ਨੇ ਬਚਨ ਨ ਮੰਨਿਆ, ਉਹ ਗ੝ਰੂ ਵਲ ਪਿੱਠ ਦੇ ਕੇ ਹੀ (ਹ੝ਕਮ) ਮੋੜਦੇ ਰਹੇ।

ਦਿਲਿ ਖੋਟੈ = ਖੋਟਾ ਦਿਲ ਹੋਣ ਦੇ ਕਾਰਨ। ਆਕੀ ਫਿਰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ = (ਜੋ) ਆਕੀ ਫਿਰਦੇ ਹਨ। ਬੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ = ਬੰਨ੝ਹ ਕੇ। ਉਚਾਇਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ = ਚ੝ੱਕਦੇ ਹਨ, ਸਹਾਰਦੇ ਹਨ। ਭਾਰ੝ ਛਟੀਝ = ਛੱਟ ਦਾ ਭਾਰ। (ਨੋਟ: ਲਫ਼ਜ਼ 'ਫਿਰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ', ਬੰਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ ਅਤੇ 'ਉਚਾਇਨ੝ਹ੝ਹਿ' ਦੇ ਅੱਖਰ 'ਨ' ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਅੱਧਾ 'ਹ' ਹੈ)।

..........


ਨਾਨਕ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਲੜਕਿਆਂ ਦੀ ਛਾਣ ਬੀਣ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਤੇ ਜੋ ਕ੝ਛ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਕੀਤਾ, ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਪੰਥ ਨੇ ਦੇਖਿਆ। ਜਦ ਲਹਿਣਾ ਪਾਕ ਪਵਿੱਤਰ ਪਾਇਆ ਗਿਆ ਤਦ ਹੀ ਗ੝ਰਾਂ ਨੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਰਾਜਸਿੰਘਾਸਣ ਤੇ ਅਸਥਾਪਨ ਕੀਤਾ।

ਘੋਖਿ ਕੈ = ਪਰਖ ਕੇ {ਨੋਟ: ਪ੝ਰਾਣੀ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਦੇ 'ਕੈ' ਦੇ ਥਾਂ ਅੱਜ ਕੱਲ ਅਸੀਂ 'ਕੇ' ਵਰਤਦੇ ਹਾਂ}। ਉਮਤਿ = ਸੰਗਤਿ। ਜਿ = ਜੋ ਕ੝ਝ। ਕਿਓਨ੝ = ਕੀਤਾ ਉਸ (ਗ੝ਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ) ਨੇ। ਸ੝ਧੋਸ੝ = ਸੋਧਿਆ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ; ਸੋਧ ਕੀਤੀ ਉਸ ਦੀ। ਟਿਕਿਓਨ੝ = ਟਿੱਕਿਆ ਉਸ ਨੇ; ਚ੝ਣਿਆ ਉਸ (ਗ੝ਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ) ਨੇ।੪।(ਗ੝ਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ) ਆਤਮਾ (ਬਾਬਾ ਲਹਣਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ) ਆਤਮਾ ਵਿਚ ਇਉਂ ਮਿਲ ਗਈ ਕਿ ਗ੝ਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ 'ਆਪੇ' (ਬਾਬਾ ਲਹਣਾ ਜੀ) ਨਾਲ ਸਾਂਵਾਂ ਕਰ ਲਿਆ। ਹੇ ਸਾਰੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ! ਵੇਖੋ, ਜੋ ਉਸ (ਗ੝ਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ) ਨੇ ਕੀਤਾ, ਆਪਣੇ ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਤੇ ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਪਰਖ ਕੇ ਜਦੋਂ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਸ੝ਧਾਈ ਕੀਤੀ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਨੇ (ਆਪਣੇ ਥਾਂ ਲਈ ਬਾਬਾ) ਲਹਣਾ (ਜੀ ਨੂੰ) ਚ੝ਣਿਆ।੪।

External links to Sri Chand

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Comments

If Yogi was so enlightened faith then Nanak did not require Sidh Gosat, and Baba Nanak attacked various beliefs of Siddhas which are still preached by them. (Lucky 08:50, 19 December 2010)


Sri Chand Views

  • IN Sri CHand Article i wrote from GUrbani the viewpoint about Sri CHand. But Some Sri Chand follower Adi Mata(Probably 3HO's Mata), came and changed the article.

1) Gurbani States Sri CHand left sikh Faith and became YOgi
2) Satta Balwand wrote quotes against him and was inserted to granth by guru sahib.
3) HIstory sources said that sri chand have good contact with gurus and many deny this, and either bani is fake or history is true
4) I talked with a 3HO'iya Sri Sarib SIngh Khalsa, he was not speaking anything on the line and was questioning me where it is written not to respect sri chand? i said him but where it is written to respect sri chand? Manmukhs(who turnes their back for gurus) are never respected.
5) Now question is he wrote arta for guru nanak, so we should have sympathy with him. Sir read literature of ram rai and prithi chandis, they wrote many praises of nanak. many anti nanak people even today say nanak is great, but they say this on face of ours. So he wrote aarta (which is not historical proven that written by him or some other), but this is not criteria to respect him.

Now sir question is that Gur Granth is important source of history(if mnentioned) or bhai joginder singh uday singh etc.? the reason i haven't deleted their comments too so that their vichar also persists. but GUru Granth's vichar is more important, and the sri chand lines are so straightly written Sarib Singh KHalsa was not able to change meanings of those lines too.

kindly check and do fainsla, i will make a full section on guru granth sahib views on sri chand path and other section that people who believe in sri chand views on him and which is best....what you think? much i try to run away from controversies, more they come near me....lol

(Lucky 03:10, 15 December 2010 (EST))

    • are you their , this adi mata is removing all references in sri chand article and removing important tatths, kindly tell him her to stop .

Baba Siri Chand's SickiWeaki SikhiWiki Page

Sat Nam Hari Singh, You have locked in a site that is extremely biased towards a negative view of a beloved son of Guru Nanak. When I visited Amritsar in 2006 I was wonderstruck by the love and appreciation expressed by Sikhs visiting his shrine near the Golden Temple. It is not just the Sikhs in 3HO that love and communicate with him in meditation and prayer.

What compelled me to rewrite Baba Siri Chand's Sikhi Wiki page was the following email I received from a Punjabi man who was born near Baba Siri Chand's headquarters in India:

Prabhleen Singh Prabhleen Singh14 December 2010 at 16:45 Subject: Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh! Satnam Guruprem kaur khalsa ji.. i have heard your many comments on a picture of Gursant and got the treasure of Knowledge about our Gurus and Baba siri Chand ji.. About myself- i'm from the place where Baba Siri Chand ji's headquarters was there and i have born there...(May this help you) http://www.facebook.com/l/d08a8VFoO7j7QtITrw_AzKxQcwA;sgpc.net/historical-gurdwaras/gurdwaras_gurdaspur_2.asp

I read about your comments and got a bunch of knowledge many weeks ago though i was unable to contact you...and yes i loved your blog alot with the same....:) anyway my motive to be here is that i want your just a little favor that i want to remove all the negativity from facebook and even from Sikh Dharma like Mr Gursant singh.... So will you please correct and share your knowledge about Baba Siri Chand ji and his links with Guru Ramdas ji and Guru Arjan dev ji...etc.. here...

http://www.facebook.com/l/d08a8PggSa2QqOoxbQGSlci_4TQ;www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Baba_Sri_Chand or http://www.facebook.com/l/d08a8n1M9eE8P7-7V7DmSU7RwWQ;www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php?title=Baba_Sri_Chand&action=edit

Hope you will not call it fake.. I'm sure this will help me and many other people who Gursant Trapped in his negativity.. Satnam!

Regards Prabhleen

Before receiving this letter, I did not even know there was a Baba Siri Chand SikhiWiki page. Yet Baba Siri Chand figures prominently in my life. I spent the whole afternoon that day doing a rewrite of the unfortunately believable negative article. The next morning, after doing my usual 31 minutes of Sat Kriya calling on the Gurus to wash the world, my layout coincided with a Baba Siri Chand tele-seminar led by Siri Gian Kaur, whom Baba Siri Chand works through to give us a guided meditation, breathing from our hearts.

Siri Gian Kaur is an elderly gifted intuitive. Her tele-seminars can be accessed at the link below:

FREE TELETALKS with that great yogi BABA SIRI CHAND [1]

Every Wednesday morning! Relayed by Siri-Gian Kaur. Profound training for moving into the Aquarian Age, along with amazingly transformative group healing.

I pray you are willing to attend her next seminar coming up Wednesday morning Dec. 22nd before making a decision, and experience Baba Siri Chand for yourself.

During those layouts I call on the ten Gurus to empower my ten bodies, but that day Baba Siri Chand filled me with his profound presence and yogic acumen. At the end of the tele-seminar I came back into conscious awareness as Siri Gian Kaur opened it up for comments and questions. I thought to share my meditative experience, but just then my phone died! --Baba Siri Chand, powerful Yogi that he is, may not have felt people were ready to hear it.

That day I painstakingly (it was my first time working on a Wiki site) posted the previous day's caring, loving edit onto Baba Siri Chands SikhiWiki page.

That same night I spoke with a Punjabi friend of mine, an agent for my book "Memoirs of a Yogini." We did a word-by-word fine edit of the entire text I had posted earlier.

I posted our joint edit the next day.

That night I wrote Amandeep Singh, a Punjab/Singapore scholar who is an authority on Baba Siri Chand, whom I have known for fifteen years. He will be teaching a course in my town, Espanola in February hosted by Siri Gian Kaur:

"YOGI MELA with BABA SIRI CHAND, [2]

Kindly understand his qualifications, and why I would write to him as an authority:

Amandeep Singh let us know that Yogi Bhajan actually located Babaji’s very special mantras and kriyas (along with those of other yogis and saints in our Golden Chain of Teachers) in the Akashic Records, then taught them to us through his incredible system of Kundalini Yoga! During his lifetime, Yogi Bhajan actually charged Amandeep Singh, who is a trained KY Teacher, with teaching this very sacred knowledge to us.

Now, here is our great chance to take advantage of this amazing opportunity! Come join us, won’t you? Experience the most mystical, but very real support and transformations in your life as you connect with Baba Siri Chand! Our teacher, Amandeep Singh is a most grounded scholarly researcher of Baba Siri Chand as well as of all our Gurus along with the great history of Sikh Dharma. What a gem we have available to us! Although based in Singapore, he travels around the world, holding the space for their great presence and providing us the solid foundation of our yogic and Sikh roots! Amandeep Singh’s blog is: http://www.yogiamandeepsingh.blogspot.com/ "

Here is my letter to Amandeep Singh: Sat Nam Amandeep Singh, It was brought to my attention that Gursant Singh posted twisted, negative text re Baba Siri Chand, 3HO Sikhs and the Gurus on Baba Siri Chands SikhiWiki site. Because Baba Siri Chand had given me profound Sat Kriya layouts over the past two days, I felt compelled to spend yesterday afternoon editing it and making corrections, and went over it again in the evening with a Punjabi friend to check everything word by word, editing it further.

Today, in adding the distilled text, I found a new entry, a Hukam from SGGS by Balwa and Sata calling Baba Siri Chand a rebel in the translation. Perhaps the Gurmukhi is not as harsh. Meanwhile I softened the commentary.

Please consider adding in the period of time Baba Siri Chand lived with Bibi Nanaki and her husband and correct the date of Baba Siri Chands passing, as several versions are given.

If you are willing to help, kindly go to this link

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Baba_Sri_Chand#Aarta_by_Sri_Chand


or the attachment to review the site for errors and make corrections and additions as you see best.

If you choose to simply edit the attachment, I will put it on Baba Siri Chand's SikhiWiki site for you.

Amandeep Singh's Response:

satnam blessings, i am all willing to do what i can...i was not able to open the file you attached...as for the hukamnama, this interpretation is that of the singh sabhaias (sgpc), the sant(udasis and nirmalas tradition) translate that differently...

as for this link: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Baba_Sri_Chand#Aarta_by_Sri_Chand

did you write that, very well written..

thanks amandeep singh


This morning, Thursday, I entered Baba Siri Chand-related correspondences into my memoirs. In so doing I accidently triggered the link to Baba Siri Chand's Wiki site and found the enhanced slanderous version that has, not surprisingly, replaced our careful work.

What was surprising is that SikhiWiki would LOCK IN the negative pitch. It would be better to lock out all versions until you make an informed decision.

By the way, the section of negative text is mostly the top half of the page. That is where I did my editing and corrections. The comments by scholars are all positive. I did not touch those. Although I did amend the top author's list that makes people question Baba Siri Chand's integrity.

Thank you for your willingness to research this thoroughly. All is Guru's Kirpa.

Loving Blessings, SS Guru Prem Kaur Khalsa www.yogagems.com


Could anyone explain the picture?

Obviously Chand Baba is depicted as a blue Khrisna with his right arm in the the strange arm support i often see Valmiki with his rt. arm in. Are the people depicted on the flying horse meant to be his father, mother and brother? As he has no hand and his (left) arm turns into the family… i assume this to be painted by someone who does not know of the low regard the left hand is held in in much of Asia as reflected throughout the world in words for the left hand.

What is the flying saddled goat or kutta meant to signify? anyone who knows... or cares Allenwalla 19:23, 26 October 2007 (EDT) color me puzzled...

also wonder about the arm crutch?

The strange "crutch" is an "Arm rest"

Bhai sahib ji,

As yogi's meditate for many hours or even days, etc the "arm crutch" is there to provide a structure to rest the arms and the upper body so that it does not fall to the ground. There is also a photo of Baba Nand Singh supporting his arms on such a "rest"

I hope this assists? Hari Singhtalk 22:32, 10 January 2011 (EST)

perhaps

looking at the pix again and not being able to read the script in the pix maybe i have misinterpreted and the bearded man is Sri Chand praying to Krishna. confused


Sir Allenwalla ji,


Since Baba Sri Chand was least interested in Sikhism and became a Sadhu. His history has been hijacked by Sanatanis (Hindus),with the passage of time they converted the colour of his body to show him a Hindu God. In the picture it is shown that his brother Lakhmi chand was going to God with his wife and son on his horse. Sri Chand snatced his brother's son by increasing the length of his arm with a fear that their 'Bansh' will stop if they all fly to God. This is the story made by Udasis. user:sarbjeet_1313me

Dear Allenwalla ji,

As Sikhs, we only care about Baba Sri Chand and Baba Lakhmi Das because of their father, Guru Nanak and not for their personal beliefs. If anything, their beliefs we don't really care about. To understand the picture, you need to look at the bottom of this site from where the second article was obtained - sikh-heritage.co.uk. I hope it helps. Hari Singh 21:34, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Sarbjeet ji you expained correctly about d pic but this is not just d story . its d reality. but thats not true that he was not interested in sikhism. actually after Guru Nanak Dev ji completed his four udasis he needed somebody to take the udasis panth forward so he gave the orders to Baba Shri Chand to continue. (anmol)

    • Wrong points

Since Baba Sri Chand was least interested in Sikhism and became a Sadhu. His history has been hijacked by Sanatanis (Hindus),with the passage of time they converted the colour of his body to show him a Hindu God.

Sri Chand was not interested in Sikhism, but he converted himself into YOGI. Read Sidh Gosat what Guru Nanak did with yogis. Yogis tried to bring Nanak to their order but nanak hadn't accepted that. so they talked with Mool Chand(father in law of nanak) to bring Nanak son in their order, they keep Sharat that they will make him king of Udasis. Sri Chand himself went against to philosphy of Nanak and become yogi. You can read history and philosphy of Sri Chand. If Sri Chand was so capable of continuing Sikhism, he could be our Second Guru, but nanak know what was right and what was wrong? (paapi 10:58, 14 March 2010 (UTC))

actually after Guru Nanak Dev ji completed his four udasis he needed somebody to take the udasis panth forward

Guru Nanak did Udasis to find Gurmukh and spread Gurmat. He did not make any Panth, and a Guy who rejected Yogi/Sidh/Udasi way of life is saying his son to continue? Amazing? Hargobind, Tegh Bahadur went to various places for parchar.What Udasis are doing today are teachings of Sri Chand and YOGIS.

Don't have sympathy bec. he was nanak son, if you will continue with this then day is not far when you will accept Ram Rai as true Saint. Ya if you are Chela of Sri Chand you have to leave Gurmat. (paapi 10:58, 14 March 2010 (UTC))

(paapi 10:58, 14 March 2010 (UTC))

Noticed this had been added to recently

Someone had said that his skin had been lightened to look like a Hindu god.

Today the Police in Lahore blamed the blast yesterday (or day before) that the suspects were all fair or light skin, which led them to believe they were militants from South Waziristan. Allenwalla 22:54, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

actual quote from dawn.com

Cantonment SP Investigation Umer Saeed said the bombers apparently came from the same place, adding resemblance between them and their fair complexion suggested they belonged to South Waziristan. He said fingerprints of bombers would be obtained to verify them with NADRA record.

Harpreet veer is right

Harpreet veer is right in his objections,why truth has been denied. In jammu outside a Hindu temple a 15 ft height statue of sri Chand has been installed wearing Janaue and body colour like Hindu God Shiv ji. Will any one explain? Sarbjeet Singh, Jammu