Krishna

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ਜ੝ਗ੝ ਦ੝ਆਪ੝ਰ੝ ਆਇਆ ਭਰਮਿ ਭਰਮਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਗੋਪੀ ਕਾਨ੝ਹ੝ਹ੝ ਉਪਾਇ ਜੀਉ ॥
Jug ḝu­ĝpur ĝ­i­ĝ bẖaram bẖarmĝ­i­ĝ har gopī kĝnĥ upĝ­ė jī­o.
The Brass Age of Dwaapar Yuga came, and people wandered in doubt.
The Lord created the Gopis and Krishna.
Previous Definations of Krisna is not acceped in gurmat whose form wpeople have made, but in gurbani it's formless. So Gurbani cuts that philosphy and given spiritual philosphy behind that.

Though the Guru Granth Sahib uses words or names, such as Ram, Krishna, Gautam, Ahalya, Lanka, Ravana, Indra, Siva, Durga and Chandi that are well known in Hindu sacred texts, the Sikh Holy Granth uses these words in a different context giving them new and original meanings that throughly explain the Sikh Gurus spiritual concepts.

ਸੋਧੇ ਸਾਸਤ੝ਰ ਸਿਮ੝ਰਿਤਿ ਸਗਲ
purified all Shastras and Simrities

Guru Granth Sahib, page ??

Words and names such as Ram, Krishna, Gautam, Ahalya, Lanka, Ravana, Indra, Siva, Durga, Chandi etc have meanings which are extracted from the Guru Granth Sahib's lines, using the etymology of these words in a way that has no relation to Hindu philosophy.

Krishna, in Gurmat

While in the Vedas the names Krishna, Rama, Vishnu and thousands of other names are understood as Devtas (lit. bright, shining ones) or Avatars of God, in Gurmat God is One, Undefinable and Formless. One of the early Sanskrit words or names, that Hindus worship as an aspect of God, has the same meaning in Panjabi and most of the other languages of India. The word krisna (not Krishna (the Hindu God) means - dark or black in colour.

In Gurbani, Mann (one's thoughts or mind) is spoken of as being Black in color, especially if a person does not listen to their own inner soul.

In Gurbani the Dark part of one's soul is referred to as krisna (darkness) and the light part of one's soul is referred to as Rama, each person's soul has two parts KRISHNA and RAMA. The Positive is RAMA and the Negative is krishna, but if these both two are one then the next step is how does one get god? First we must work to rid our lives of negativity, living our lives positively, as our RAMA guides us from inside.

Gurbani says there are MANY KRISHNAS and there are MANY RAMAS too.

How in Gurmat Krisna is different as described by Previous religions:

Gurbani Says:

ਕੇਤੇ ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਵੈਸੰਤਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕਾਨ ਮਹੇਸ ॥

In the above line Guru Sahib (Guru Granth Sahib) clearly says that there are Many Krishnas and Shivas. Now the question is how is krishna many? There was only one krishna define. It means Krishna is not one. The concept is different from hinduism.

In the Tuk (line of Bani) below, Mann (a mind Tangled in Maya) gets blackened, as it travels through countless incarnations:

ਜਨਮ ਜਨਮ ਕੀ ਇਸ੝ ਮਨ ਕਉ ਮਲ੝ ਲਾਗੀ ਕਾਲਾ ਹੋਆ ਸਿਆਹ੝ ॥
The filth of countless incarnations sticks to this mind; it has become pitch black.

Moreover Mann which is tangled in maya (Attentions) is also compared to a Crow (very black) or a Snake (often black in colour) in gurbani.

Gurbani have some other concepts which do not match with previous one:

ਧਨਿ ਧੰਨਿ ਓ ਰਾਮ ਬੇਨ੝ ਬਾਜੈ ॥

To Sikhs, Ram (God, Wahiguru) has never played a flute (as God is formless, but present in all of Creation).

Rama = Inner Soul
Krisna = Soul Tangeled worldly Attachments and vices(it is also called Ravana, Dushashan etc)

When Krishna take away our brain and uses it, then such Matt is called Manmatt because such person is tangle in Vices but when such krishna listen to Shabad Guru(who is called Hanuvant), than slowly it merges in Ram. Once it merges itself in Ram(Positive, Leaving worldly attachments). It is now ready to meet God. So Every krishna(Person) should understand his inner soul first(Ram).

Bal Leela

The Bal Leela (the 'play' of the Hindu God Krishna, while a small child) has no relevance to Gurmat or to Sikhs.

But remembering, the purpose of human life is forgotten by the Mind that is lost in Maya.

siv saktee ghar vaasaa paa-i-aa.

He came to dwell in the home of the Shiva and Shakti, energy and matter.

ayk visaaray taa pirh haaray anDhulai naam visaaraa hay. ||6||

But he forgot the One Lord, and he has lost the game.
The blind person forgets the Naam, the Name of the Lord. ||6||

ਬਾਲਕ੝ ਮਰੈ ਬਾਲਕ ਕੀ ਲੀਲਾ ॥

The child dies in his childish games.

ਕਹਿ ਕਹਿ ਰੋਵਹਿ ਬਾਲ੝ ਰੰਗੀਲਾ ॥ They cry and mourn, saying that he was such a playful child.

ਜਿਸ ਕਾ ਸਾ ਸੋ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਲੀਆ ਭੂਲਾ ਰੋਵਣਹਾਰਾ ਹੇ ॥੭॥

The Lord who owns him has taken him back.
Those who weep and mourn are mistaken. ||7||


here Balak Leela or Bal Leela or Krishna leela is condenmed. Mann (Mind) is like Child, which remains tangled in woldly attachments. When the lord snatches a young child, or an aged person who lives his life seeking the worldly pleasures of a child, their parents, friends and relatives, cry and mourn for the sake of Maya, but one who understands himself, does not cry or mourn for when he meets the True Guru, then he understands.

When one forgets Bal Leela and starts living his live in accordance with God's Hukam one has entered the stage of Ram Leela or Raj Leela.

ਰਾਜ ਲੀਲਾ ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਬਨਾਈ ॥
The pleasures of royalty are derived from Your Name = Hukam.

ਜੋਗ੝ ਬਨਿਆ ਤੇਰਾ ਕੀਰਤਨ੝ ਗਾਈ ॥੧॥
I attain Yoga, singing the Kirtan of Your Praises. ||1||

The above is stage of Bal Leela to Raj Leela

Dasam granth on Krisna

What does Guru Gobind SIngh Ji say about Krishna?

ਕਈ ਰਾਮ ਕ੝ਰਿਸਨ ਰਸੂਲ ॥ ਬਿਨ੝ ਭਗਤ ਕੋ ਨ ਕਬੂਲ ॥੮॥੩੮॥

He hath Created many Ramas, Krishnas and Rasuls (Prophets)

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੝ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਝ ॥

He has Created millions of Krishnas like worms.

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੝ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਝ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਝ ॥

Somewhere He has created millions of servants like Krishna.
Somewhere He has effaced and then created (many) like Rama.

Krishna Avtar - By Guru Gobind Singh

The Hinduism view of krishna is totally rejected in Gurmat. In Krishna Avtar, Guru Gobind SIngh is exposing Krishna life as described by hindus, so that people could blow away the curtain of darkness from eyes saying that krishna is god, he said in an event where Krishna steal clothes of bathing girls, and when they demand clothes back how LORD krishna replies:

ਕਾਨ੝ਹ ਕਹੀ ਹਸ ਬਾਤ ਤਿਨੈ ਕਹਿ ਹੈ ਹਮ ਜੋ ਤ੝ਮ ਸੋ ਮਨ ਹੋ ॥ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਮ੝ਖਿ ਚੂਮਨ ਦੇਹ੝ ਕਹਯੋ ਚ੝ਮ ਹੈ ਹਮ ਹੂੰ ਤ੝ਮਹੂੰ ਗਨਿਹੋ ॥

Krishna said, "See, whatever I shall say now, all of you will have
to accept that; let me kiss the faces of all; I shall kiss and you count, all of you;

ਅਰ੝ ਤੋਰਨ ਦੋਹ੝ ਕਹਯੋ ਸਭਹੀ ਕ੝ਚ ਨਾ ਤਰ ਹਉ ਤ੝ਮ ਕੌ ਹਨਿਹੋ ॥ ਤਬਹੀ ਪਟ ਦੇਉ ਸਭੈ ਤ੝ਮਰੇ ਇਹ ਝੂਠ ਨਹੀ ਸਤ ਕੈ ਜਨਿਹੋ ॥੨੬੬॥

Let me touch the nipple of your breasts, otherwise I shall behave more
badly with you; I am speaking truth that I shall give you the clothes only
after doing all this."266.

This is not an attribute of God, this is life of some Lusty man now predict whom Guru Gobind SIngh was saying Madhusudhan and whom Guru Granth Sahib was saying Chakardhar.

Hindu philosphy

Krishna (कृषढ़ण in Devanagari, kṛṣṇa in IAST, is a deity worshipped across many traditions in Hinduism in a variety of perspectives. While many Vaishnava groups recognize Krishna as an avatar of Vishnu, other traditions within Krishnaism consider him to be svayam bhagavan, or the Supreme Being.

The Sanskrit word kṛṣṇa means "black", "dark" or "dark-blue". It is often used as a name to describe someone with dark skin. Krishna is often depicted in murtis (idols) as black, and is generally shown in paintings with a blue skin.

Krishna is often depicted as an infant or young boy playing a flute as in the Bhagavata Purana, or as a youthful prince giving direction and guidance as in the Bhagavad Gita. The stories of Krishna appear across a broad spectrum of Hindu philosophical and theological traditions.

They portray him in various perspectives: a god-child, a prankster, a model lover, a divine hero and the Supreme Being. The principal scriptures discussing Krishna's story are the Mahabharata, the Harivamsa, the Bhagavata Purana and the Vishnu Purana.

ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਕਾਨ੝ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਨਿ ਆਪੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਹਾ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਸਾਵਲ ਸ੝ੰਦਰਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਵੰਸ੝ ਵਜਾਹਾ ॥
Āpė gopī kĝn hai pi­ĝrĝ ban ĝpė ga­ū cẖarĝhĝ. Āpė sĝval sunḝrĝ pi­ĝrĝ ĝpė vans vajĝhĝ.
The Beloved Himself is the milk-maid and Krishna; He Himself herds the cows in the woods.

The Beloved Himself is the blue-skinned, handsome one; He Himself plays on His flute.

Terminology of Brahmgyan

♣♣ Ram ♣♣ Seeta ♣♣ Laxman ♣♣ Krisna ♣♣ Gopi ♣♣ Hanuvant ♣♣ Lanka ♣♣ Ravana ♣♣ Gopal ♣♣ Gobinda ♣♣ Keshva ♣♣ Kanha ♣♣ Durga ♣♣ Chandi ♣♣ Kalika ♣♣ Mahakaal ♣♣ Siv ♣♣ Brahma ♣♣ Bisan ♣♣ Gorakh ♣♣ Janak ♣♣ Ram Leela ♣♣ Krisna Leela ♣♣ Shakti ♣♣ Noor ♣♣ Allah ♣♣ Vaheguru ♣♣ Oankar ♣♣ Murari ♣♣ Laal ♣♣ Hari ♣♣ Prabh ♣♣ Prabhu ♣♣ Gurdev ♣♣ Gur ♣♣ Satgur ♣♣ Satguru ♣♣ Guru ♣♣ Narad ♣♣ Mahishasura ♣♣ Rakatbeej ♣♣ Shumb Nishumb ♣♣ Chand Mund ♣♣ Madhu Keetab ♣♣ Sursari ♣♣