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'''Concept of Meat in Gurmat.  
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Guru Granth Shaib Ji and Sikh History
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This article in the concern and understanding of meat according to Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji, and the historical factors according to Historical Granths of the Khalsa Panth, which are Panth proven by Akaal Thakat Shaib, and a large part of the sikh history from 1700 century to 1800.  
This article is based entirely on the views expressed by the [[Ten Sikh Gurus|Sikh Gurus]] in [[Gurbani]] – and does not rely on any outside views. Guru's message is clear and unambiguous and anyone who understands [[Gurmukhi]] will be able to come to their own conclusion.  


[[Gurbani]] i.e. writings within the [[Sri Guru Granth Sahib]] (or SGGS) are the most important spiritual guidance for a [[Sikh]] as the [[Bani]] is regarded as the [[Guru]] or ultimate "Spiritual teacher" for the [[Sikh]]. (''"Bani guru, guru hai bani vich bani amrit saaray."… "Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within Bani, all Ambrosial Nectars are found."'' [http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=982&english=t&id=42106#l42106 sggs p982])


The Shabads taken from Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji, which are most discussed in the Panth, and have used the arths from theeka and other sources. NOTE: The English arths given on-line are not the real arths, they cannot express the realm behind Gurbani in 1 line, because it takes more to understand something spiritually and the depth of the real meaning . I have read many people’s views and articles on this topic and they all have missed something out; no one has ever attacked the real realm which gurbani is trying to state.  
To be a [[Sikh]] is to regard the [[SGGS]] as ones primary spiritual guide. The message within the [[Guru Granth Sahib]] is the universal and moral guide for all of humanity and in particular for all [[Sikh]]s. No [[Hukamnama]] (order, directive or decree) by anyone other than the Sikh [[Guru]] can move the [[Guru]]'s [[Sikh]] away from this stand (''"Hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal.." …. " O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will"''. [http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1&english=t&id=10#l10 sggs p1]).  


[[Gurbani]] offers clear guidance on this important issue. The following quotes from [[Varan Bhai Gurdas]] and [[Sri Guru Granth Sahib]] give the Sikhs clear and concise direction on what a [[Sikh]] should eat or not eat and other aspect of this important facet of a person's spiritual and moral life.


Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ang – 1289
==Background==
ਮਃ ੧ ॥ First Mehl: 


ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥
[[Bhai Gurdas]] Ji was the first scribe of the [[Adi Granth]]. He was responsible for writing the first compilation of the Holy Granth. While [[Guru Arjan Dev]] ji dictated the [[Bani]], Bhai Sahib put the words to paper. He is recognised as the first '''"Scholar of Sikhism"''' and his own writings, called the [[Varan Bhai Gurdas]] were called by [[Guru Arjan Dev]], '''"the Key to the [[Sri Guru Granth Sahib]]"'''. The [[Varan Bhai Gurdas|Varan]] also offer clear secondary guidance on this subject to the Sikh as well.
The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. The foolish pandit, who is anti of meat, he himself says “meat meat” and starts pointless debates and arguements with others, but he doesn't know anything about knowledge and wisdom.  
(ਆਪਣੇ ਵਲੋਂ ਮਾਸ ਦਾ ਤਿਆਗੀ) ਮੂਰਖ (ਪੰਡਿਤ) ਮਾਸ ਮਾਸ ਆਖ ਕੇ ਚਰਚਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਨਾਹ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਦੀ ਸਮਝ ਨਾਹ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਰਤ ਹੈ)


Despite this article outlining the fact that eating meat is not in strict compliance with the principles of [[Sikhism]], it should be very clear to all that whether one eats meat or not, is '''only one aspect of the life of a Sikh'''. So no greater importance should be given to this issue at the expense of the many other issues which are of equal importance to a Sikh. It is not an issue where one should engage in heated argument - Read Gurbani and make your own decision on this matter.


ਕਉਣੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਸਾਗੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥
This topic is very emotive and many Sikhs who cannot read or understand the original [[Gurmukhi]] text are unable to understand the Guru's clear message and will use their own [[Manmat]] (entrenched personal stand) or views of other academics to propagate their own views or views of other who have not relied on the Guru's word. When deciding on this subject or any other issue about [[Dharam]] (righteous living), a Sikh should rely only on [[Gurbani]] and disregard views of others. (''"Saṯgur kī banī sat sat kar jĝnhu gursikhahu har kartĝ ĝp muhhu kadhĝ­ė." …  "O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it." ''[http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=308&english=t&id=14102 sggs p308 ])
The pandit should ask himself and think (Veechare) – what is meat ? and what is the difference between Green vegetables? and from eating which leads to sins ? 
(ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਇਹ ਗਹੁ ਨਾਲ ਵਿਚਾਰੇ ਕਿ) ਮਾਸ ਤੇ ਸਾਗ ਵਿਚ ਕੀਹ ਫ਼ਰਕ ਹੈ, ਤੇ ਕਿਸ (ਦੇ ਖਾਣ) ਵਿਚ ਪਾਪ ਹੈ।


* Also see [[Talk:SGGS_on_meat|'''Discussion page for dialogue on this matter''']]


== Shabads from Guru Granth Sahib ==
This section below lists [[shabad]]s directly from [[Guru Granth Sahib]] which have a connection with meat and related matters. They are further sub-divided into sub-sections for easy of reference:


ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਏ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥
==Shabads with the word "Kill"==
In the old times people, would kill a rhinoceros, as according to the habit/tradition of Devtas, and would do Jagg( Hindu ritual Fest) and make a feast of the burnt offering. 
The following [[shabad]]s have the word kill in the translation:
(ਪੁਰਾਣੇ ਸਮੇ ਵਿਚ ਭੀ, ਲੋਕ) ਦੇਵਤਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਸੁਭਾਉ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ (ਭਾਵ, ਦੇਵਤਿਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਖ਼ੁਸ਼ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ) ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰ ਕੇ ਹੋਮ ਤੇ ਜੱਗ ਕਰਦੇ ਸਨ


ਮਾਸੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕੁ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥
===Shabad page 723===
The person who acts as a vegetarian (Renounce Meat) – ਮਾਸ ਦਾ ਤਿਆਗੀ – Whenever he smells meat or come near it, they close their noses and say they they can smell meat.  But these same hypocrite people, devour men at night (Means kill and think bad within their minds, to hurt and destroy in a physical and a mental way.)
{{Srigranth|723|31114|<big> ਬੰਦੇ  ਚਸਮ  ਦੀਦੰ  ਫਨਾਇ  ॥ <br>
ਜੋ ਮਨੁੱਖ (ਆਪਣੇ ਵਲੋਂ) ਮਾਸ ਤਿਆਗ ਕੇ (ਜਦ ਕਦੇ ਕਿਤੇ ਮਾਸ ਵੇਖਣ ਤਾਂ) ਬੈਠ ਕੇ ਆਪਣਾ ਨੱਕ ਬੰਦ ਕਰ ਲੈਂਦੇ ਹਨ (ਕਿ ਮਾਸ ਦੀ ਬੋ ਆ ਗਈ ਹੈ) ਉਹ ਰਾਤ ਨੂੰ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਖਾਂ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ (ਭਾਵ, ਲੁਕ ਕੇ ਮਨੁੱਖਾਂ ਦਾ ਲਹੂ ਪੀਣ ਦੇ ਮਨਸੂਬੇ ਬੰਨ੍ਹਦੇ ਹਨ)
ਦ੝ਨਂ​”ੀਆ ਮ੝ਰਦਾਰ ਖ੝ਰਦਨੀ ਗਾਫਲ ਹਵਾਇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥<br>
ਗੈਬਾਨ ਹੈਵਾਨ ਹਰਾਮ ਕ੝ਸਤਨੀ ਮ੝ਰਦਾਰ ਬਖੋਰਾਇ ॥ <br>
ਦਿਲ ਕਬਜ ਕਬਜਾ ਕਾਦਰੋ ਦੋਜਕ ਸਜਾਇ ॥੨॥ </big><br>


ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥
banday chasam deedaN fanaa-ay. <br>
These foolish people, are full of hypocrisy and practise it, That we don’t eat meat, and show a fake look to the people, that we are clean and perfect, but within are they are empty, and have no understanding of Gurmat and Spiritual wisdom.
duneeN-aa murdaar khurdanee gaafal havaa-ay. rahaa-o. <br>
(ਮਾਸ ਨਾਹ ਖਾਣ ਦਾ ਇਹ) ਪਖੰਡ ਕਰਕੇ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਵਿਖਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ, ਉਂਞ ਇਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਆਪ ਨਾਹ ਸਮਝ ਹੈ ਨਾਹ ਸੁਰਤ ਹੈ
gaibaan haivaan haraam kustanee murdaar bakhoraa-ay. <br>
dil kabaj kabjaa kaadro dojak sajaa-ay. (2) <br>


ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥
O human being, whatever you can see with your eyes, shall perish. <br>
O Nanak, What is the point of explaining and making a Blind person understand? If someone tries to make him understand they still don’t get it, due to their blind, it is pointless because they won’t understand it.  
The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed. ((Pause)) <br>
ਪਰ, ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਕਿਸੇ ਅੰਨ੍ਹੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਝਾਣ ਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਲਾਭ ਨਹੀਂ, (ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ) ਸਮਝਾਵੇ (ਭੀ), ਤਾਂ ਭੀ ਇਹ ਸਮਝਾਇਆ ਸਮਝਦਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ
Like a goblin, or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat. <br>
So control your urges, or else you will be seized by the Lord, and thrown into the tortures of hell. <br> (2)}}


ਅੰਧਾ ਸੋਇ ਜਿ ਅੰਧੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਸਿ ਲੋਚਨ ਨਾਹੀ ॥
===Shabad page 1103===
Those people are blind who act blind, and they have no eyes of Knowledge and wisdom within them to see and understand the truth. (Gurmat)
{{Srigranth|1103|47392|<big> ਜੀਅ  ਬਧਹ੝  ਸ੝  ਧਰਮ੝  ਕਰਿ  ਥਾਪਹ੝  ਅਧਰਮ੝  ਕਹਹ੝  ਕਤ  ਭਾਈ  ॥ <br>
(ਜੇ ਕਹੋ ਅੰਨ੍ਹਾ ਕੌਣ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ) ਅੰਨ੍ਹਾ ਉਹ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਅੰਨ੍ਹਿਆਂ ਵਾਲਾ ਕੰਮ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਦਿਲ ਵਿਚ ਉਹ ਅੱਖਾਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਹਨ (ਭਾਵ, ਜੋ ਸਮਝ ਤੋਂ ਸੱਖਣਾ ਹੈ)
ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮ੝ਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹ੝ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹ੝ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥
</big><br>


ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਕੀ ਰਕਤੁ ਨਿਪੰਨੇ ਮਛੀ ਮਾਸੁ ਨ ਖਾਂਹੀ ॥
jee-a baDhahu so Dharam kar thaapahu aDhram kahhu kat bhaa-ee.<br>
It is something to think about that, these people are born and produced from there mother and fathers blood, yet they don’t eat fish or meat, meaning, there born from meat them self’s, but they act like this? What does it mean? When your firstly born from meat .  
aapas ka-o munivar kar thaapahu kaa ka-o kahhu kasaa-ee. (2)<br>
(ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਸੋਚਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਗੱਲ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਆਪ ਭੀ ਤਾਂ) ਮਾਂ ਤੇ ਪਿਉ ਦੀ ਰੱਤ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਮੱਛੀ (ਆਦਿਕ) ਦੇ ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਪਰਹੇਜ਼ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ (ਭਾਵ, ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਪਰਹੇਜ਼ ਕਰਨ ਦਾ ਕੀਹ ਭਾਵ? ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਭੀ ਤਾਂ ਮਾਂ ਪਿਉ ਦੇ ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਸਰੀਰ ਪਲਿਆ ਹੈ)।


ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਪੁਰਖੈ ਜਾਂ ਨਿਸਿ ਮੇਲਾ ਓਥੈ ਮੰਧੁ ਕਮਾਹੀ ॥
You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. <br>
When at night, a male and female meet and mate, they also come together in flesh; means have sexual intercourse through flesh.  
Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?<br>
(ਫਿਰ), ਜਦੋਂ ਰਾਤ ਨੂੰ ਜ਼ਨਾਨੀ ਤੇ ਮਰਦ ਇਕੱਠੇ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ ਤਦੋਂ ਭੀ (ਮਾਸ ਨਾਲ ਹੀ) ਮੰਦ (ਭਾਵ, ਭੋਗ) ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ।
You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? (2)}}


ਮਾਸਹੁ ਨਿੰਮੇ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਜੰਮੇ ਹਮ ਮਾਸੈ ਕੇ ਭਾਂਡੇ ॥
===Shabad page 1128===
We all are conceived in flesh, and born from it, we are vessels of flesh.  
{{Srigranth|1128|48254|<big> ਸੋ  ਜਾਗੈ  ਜੋ  ਤਤ੝  ਬੀਚਾਰੈ  ॥ <br>ਆਪਿ ਮਰੈ ਅਵਰਾ ਨਹ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੩॥ </big><br>
ਅਸੀਂ ਸਾਰੇ ਮਾਸ ਦੇ ਪੁਤਲੇ ਹਾਂ, ਸਾਡਾ ਮੁੱਢ ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਬੱਝਾ, ਅਸੀਂ ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੋਏ
so jaagai jo tat beechaarai.<br>
aap marai avraa nah maarai. (3)<br>


ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਕਛੁ ਸੂਝੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਚਤੁਰੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਪਾਂਡੇ ॥
One who contemplates the essence of reality remains awake and aware.<br>
The (Renounce Meat) – Pandit, you fool by starting debates on meat you think your clever and smart, but in reality this is stupidity. You know nothing of spiritual wisdom O religious scholar.
He kills his self-conceit, and does not kill anyone else. (3) }}<br>
(ਮਾਸ ਦਾ ਤਿਆਗੀ) ਪੰਡਿਤ (ਮਾਸ ਦੀ ਚਰਚਾ ਛੇੜ ਕੇ ਐਵੇਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ) ਸਿਆਣਾ ਅਖਵਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ, (ਅਸਲ ਵਿਚ) ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਨਾਹ ਸਮਝ ਹੈ ਨਾਹ ਸੁਰਤ ਹੈ


ਬਾਹਰ ਕਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਮੰਦਾ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਘਰ ਕਾ ਮਾਸੁ ਚੰਗੇਰਾ ॥
Tell me Pandit Ji, The meat from outside is bad? But the flesh of those in your own home is good. ?
(ਭਲਾ ਦੱਸੋ,) ਪੰਡਿਤ ਜੀ! (ਇਹ ਕੀਹ ਕਿ) ਬਾਹਰੋਂ ਲਿਆਂਦਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਮਾਸ ਮਾੜਾ ਤੇ ਘਰ ਦਾ (ਵਰਤਿਆ) ਮਾਸ ਚੰਗਾ?


ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ ਸਭਿ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਹੋਏ ਜੀਇ ਲਇਆ ਵਾਸੇਰਾ ॥
===Shabad page 1350===
Then all beings anf creatures are born from flesh, the soul and mind live within the flesh as a form of a body.
{{Srigranth|1350|57719|<big> ਬੇਦ  ਕਤੇਬ  ਕਹਹ੝  ਮਤ  ਝੂਠੇ  ਝੂਠਾ  ਜੋ  ਨ  ਬਿਚਾਰੈ  ॥ <br>
(ਫਿਰ) ਸਾਰੇ ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ, ਜਿੰਦ ਨੇ (ਮਾਸ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ) ਡੇਰਾ ਲਾਇਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਹੈ
ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਝਕ੝ ਖ੝ਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮ੝ਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥</big><br>


ਅਭਖੁ ਭਖਹਿ ਭਖੁ ਤਜਿ ਛੋਡਹਿ ਅੰਧੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਜਿਨ ਕੇਰਾ ॥
bayd katayb kahhu mat jhoothay jhoothaa jo na bichaarai. <br>
The one whos teacher is blind, they reject eat meat, but they eat things which they shouldn’t such as (Fraud, Black money, rip others off and take what’s not there belonging.) - ਪਰਾਇਆ ਹੱਕ – But the thing which makes you strong physical is rejected.
ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai. (1) <br>
ਸੋ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਰਾਹ ਦੱਸਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਆਪ ਅੰਨ੍ਹਾ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਨਾਹ ਖਾਣ-ਜੋਗ ਚੀਜ਼ (ਭਾਵ, ਪਰਾਇਆ ਹੱਕ) ਤਾਂ ਖਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਖਾਣ-ਜੋਗ ਚੀਜ਼ (ਭਾਵ ਜਿਸ ਚੀਜ਼ ਤੋਂ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਗੀ ਦਾ ਹੀ ਮੁੱਢ ਬੱਝਾ ਤਿਆਗਦੇ ਹਨ।)


ਮਾਸਹੁ ਨਿੰਮੇ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਜੰਮੇ ਹਮ ਮਾਸੈ ਕੇ ਭਾਂਡੇ ॥
Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. <br>
In the flesh we are conceived, and in the flesh we are born; we are vessels of flesh.
Those who do not contemplate them are false.<br>
ਅਸੀਂ ਸਾਰੇ ਮਾਸ ਦੇ ਪੁਤਲੇ ਹਾਂ, ਅਸਾਡਾ ਮੁੱਢ ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਬੱਝਾ, ਅਸੀਂ ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੋ
You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? (1)}}


ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਕਛੁ ਸੂਝੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਚਤੁਰੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਪਾਂਡੇ ॥
O Pandit you reject meat, and you think you are a religious scholar, but you have no wisdom of spiritual life yet you call yourself clever.
(ਮਾਸ ਦਾ ਤਿਆਗੀ) ਪੰਡਿਤ (ਮਾਸ ਦੀ ਚਰਚਾ ਛੇੜ ਕੇ ਐਵੇਂ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ) ਸਿਆਣਾ ਅਖਵਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ, (ਅਸਲ ਵਿਚ) ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਨਾਹ ਸਮਝ ਹੈ ਨਾਹ ਸੁਰਤ ਹੈ


Meat is allowed in the Puraanas, meat is allowed in the Bible and the Koran. Throughout the four ages, meat has been used. 
* '''See [[SGGS 1350|SGGS 1350 for detailed breakdown]] of the Shabad'''
ਪੁਰਾਣਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਮਾਸ (ਦਾ ਜ਼ਿਕਰ), ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨੀ ਮਜ਼ਹਬੀ ਕਿਤਾਬਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਭੀ ਮਾਸ (ਵਰਤਣ ਦਾ ਜ਼ਿਕਰ); ਜਗਤ ਦੇ ਸ਼ੁਰੂ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਮਾਸ ਵਰਤੀਂਦਾ ਚਲਾ ਆਇਆ ਹੈ।


ਜਜਿ ਕਾਜਿ ਵੀਆਹਿ ਸੁਹਾਵੈ ਓਥੈ ਮਾਸੁ ਸਮਾਣਾ ॥
===Shabad page 1375===
It is featured in sacred feasts and marriage festivities; meat is used in them.  
{{Srigranth|1375|58664|<big> ਕਬੀਰ  ਜੀਅ  ਜ੝  ਮਾਰਹਿ  ਜੋਰ੝  ਕਰਿ  ਕਹਤੇ  ਹਹਿ  ਜ੝  ਹਲਾਲ੝ ॥ <br>ਦਫਤਰ੝ ਦਈ ਜਬ ਕਾਢਿ ਹੈ ਹੋਇਗਾ ਕਉਨ੝ ਹਵਾਲ੝ ॥੧੯੯॥<br></big>
ਜੱਗ ਵਿਚ, ਵਿਆਹ ਆਦਿਕ ਕਾਜ ਵਿਚ (ਮਾਸ ਦੀ ਵਰਤੋਂ) ਪ੍ਰਧਾਨ ਹੈ, ਉਹਨੀਂ ਥਾਈਂ ਮਾਸ ਵਰਤੀਂਦਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ।


ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਪੁਰਖ ਨਿਪਜਹਿ ਮਾਸਹੁ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹ ਸੁਲਤਾਨਾਂ ॥
kabeer jee-a jo maareh jor kar kahtay heh jo halaal. <br>
Women, men, kings and emperors originate from meat.
daftar da-ee jab kaadh hai ho-igaa ka-un havaal. (199) <br>
ਜ਼ਨਾਨੀ, ਮਰਦ, ਸ਼ਾਹ, ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹ...ਸਾਰੇ ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ।


ਜੇ ਓਇ ਦਿਸਹਿ ਨਰਕਿ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਤਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਕਾ ਦਾਨੁ ਨ ਲੈਣਾ ॥
Kabeer, they oppress living beings and kill them, and call it proper. <br>
If these kings,men, women eat meat and are originated from it and according to pandit matt they go to hell, then why do u accept charitable gifts from them? Since you are a ਤਿਆਗੀ of meat
When the Lord calls for their account, what will their condition be? (199) }}
ਜੇ ਇਹ ਸਾਰੇ (ਮਾਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਣਨ ਕਰਕੇ) ਨਰਕ ਵਿਚ ਪੈਂਦੇ ਦਿੱਸਦੇ ਹਨ ਤਾਂ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਤੋਂ (ਮਾਸ-ਤਿਆਗੀ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਨੂੰ) ਦਾਨ ਭੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਲੈਣਾ ਚਾਹੀਦਾ।


ਦੇਂਦਾ ਨਰਕਿ ਸੁਰਗਿ ਲੈਦੇ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਏਹੁ ਧਿਙਾਣਾ ॥
==Other Shabads connected with Meat==
The giver goes to hell, while the receiver goes to heaven - look at this injustice. 
(ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ) ਵੇਖੋ, ਇਹ ਅਚਰਜ ਧੱਕੇ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਦਾਨ ਦੇਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਨਰਕੇ ਪੈਣ ਤੇ ਲੈਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਸੁਰਗ ਵਿਚ।


ਆਪਿ ਨ ਬੂਝੈ ਲੋਕ ਬੁਝਾਏ ਪਾਂਡੇ ਖਰਾ ਸਿਆਣਾ ॥
===Shabad Page 15===
In reality, Pandit you’re a fool yourself you have no understanding, but you preach to other people. O Pandit, you are very wise indeed. 
{{Srigranth|15|642|<big>ਰਸ੝ ਸ੝ਇਨਾ ਰਸ੝ ਰ੝ਪਾ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਰਸ੝ ਪਰਮਲ ਕੀ ਵਾਸ੝ ॥ <br>
(ਅਸਲ ਵਿਚ) ਹੇ ਪੰਡਿਤ! ਤੂੰ ਢਾਢਾ ਚਤੁਰ ਹੈਂ, ਤੈਨੂੰ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ (ਮਾਸ ਖਾਣ ਦੇ ਮਾਮਲੇ ਦੀ) ਸਮਝ ਨਹੀਂ, ਪਰ ਤੂੰ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਸਮਝਾਂਦਾ ਹੈਂ।
ਰਸ੝ ਘੋੜੇ ਰਸ੝ ਸੇਜਾ ਮੰਦਰ ਰਸ੝ ਮੀਠਾ ਰਸ੝ ਮਾਸ੝ ॥ <br>
ਝਤੇ ਰਸ ਸਰੀਰ ਕੇ ਕੈ ਘਟਿ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਵਾਸ੝ ॥੨॥ <br><br></big>


ਪਾਂਡੇ ਤੂ ਜਾਣੈ ਹੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਿਥਹੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਉਪੰਨਾ ॥
ras su-inaa ras rupaa kaaman ras parmal kee vaas.<br>
O Pandit, you do not know where meat originated.
ras ghorhay ras sayjaa mandar ras meethaa ras maas. <br>
ਹੇ ਪੰਡਿਤ! ਤੈਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਹੀ ਪਤਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿ ਮਾਸ ਕਿਥੋਂ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੋਇਆ।
aytay ras sareer kay kai ghat naam nivaas. ॥2॥<br><br>


ਤੋਇਅਹੁ ਅੰਨੁ ਕਮਾਦੁ ਕਪਾਹਾਂ ਤੋਇਅਹੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ ਗੰਨਾ ॥
The pleasure of gold, pleasure of silvers and damsels, pleasure of fragrance of sandal,<br>
From water corn is produces, also cane and cotton, from water the three worlds came in to being.
pleasure of horses, pleasure of common cushion with a houri and a palace, pleasure of sweets and pleasure of meats,<br>
(ਵੇਖ,) ਪਾਣੀ ਤੋਂ ਅੰਨ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਕਮਾਦ ਗੰਨਾ ਉੱਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਕਪਾਹ ਉੱਗਦੀ ਹੈ, ਪਾਣੀ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਸਾਰਾ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ।
So many are the relishes of the human body. How can then God's Name secure an abode within the heart? ॥2॥}}


ਤੋਆ ਆਖੈ ਹਉ ਬਹੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਹਛਾ ਤੋਐ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਿਕਾਰਾ ॥
* English translation by Bhai Manmohan Singh
Water says, "I am good in many ways." But water takes many forms. 
ਪਾਣੀ ਆਖਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਮੈਂ ਕਈ ਤਰੀਕਿਆਂ ਨਾਲ ਭਲਿਆਈ ਕਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ (ਭਾਵ, ਜੀਵ ਦੇ ਪਾਲਣ ਲਈ ਕਈ ਤਰੀਕਿਆਂ ਦੀ ਖ਼ੁਰਾਕ-ਪੁਸ਼ਾਕ ਪੈਦਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹਾਂ), ਇਹ ਸਾਰੀਆਂ ਤਬਦੀਲੀਆਂ (ਭਾਵ, ਬੇਅੰਤ ਕਿਸਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ) ਪਾਣੀ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਹਨ।


ਏਤੇ ਰਸ ਛੋਡਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਸੰਨਿਆਸੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਹੈ ਵਿਚਾਰਾ ॥੨॥
===Shabad Page 139===
Forsaking these delicacies, one becomes a true Sannyaasee, a detached hermit. Nanak reflects and speaks. ||2||
{{Srigranth|139|5720|<big>ਕੂੜ੝ ਬੋਲਿ ਮ੝ਰਦਾਰ੝ ਖਾਇ ॥ ਅਵਰੀ ਨੋ ਸਮਝਾਵਣਿ ਜਾਇ ॥  <br>
ਸੋ, ਨਾਨਕ ਇਹ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਦੱਸਦਾ ਹੈ (ਕਿ ਜੇ ਸੱਚਾ ਤਿਆਗੀ ਬਣਨਾ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ) ਇਹਨਾਂ ਸਾਰੇ ਪਦਾਰਥਾਂ ਦੇ ਚਸਕੇ ਛੱਡ ਕੇ ਤਿਆਗੀ ਬਣੇ (ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਮਾਸ ਦੀ ਉਤਪੱਤੀ ਭੀ ਪਾਣੀ ਤੋਂ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਅੰਨ ਕਮਾਦ ਆਦਿਕ ਦੀ ਉਤਪੱਤੀ ਭੀ ਪਾਣੀ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਹੈ) ॥੨॥
ਮ੝ਠਾ ਆਪਿ ਮ੝ਹਾਝ ਸਾਥੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਝਸਾ ਆਗੂ ਜਾਪੈ ॥੧॥ </big><br><br>
Kūṛ bol murḝĝr kẖĝ▫e. Avrī no samjẖĝvaṇ jĝ▫e. <br>
Muṯẖĝ ĝp muhĝ▫e sĝthai. Nĝnak aisĝ ĝgū jĝpai. ॥1॥<br><br>
Telling lies, they eat dead bodies. And yet, they go out to teach others. <br>
They are deceived, and they deceive their companions. O Nanak, such are the leaders of men. ॥1॥ }}




===Shabad Page 141===
{{Srigranth|141|5767|<big>ਹਕ੝ ਪਰਾਇਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਉਸ੝ ਸੂਅਰ ਉਸ੝ ਗਾਇ ॥ ਗ੝ਰ੝ ਪੀਰ੝ ਹਾਮਾ ਤਾ ਭਰੇ ਜਾ ਮ੝ਰਦਾਰ੝ ਨ ਖਾਇ ॥<br>
ਗਲੀ ਭਿਸਤਿ ਨ ਜਾਈਝ ਛ੝ਟੈ ਸਚ੝ ਕਮਾਇ ॥  ਮਾਰਣ ਪਾਹਿ ਹਰਾਮ ਮਹਿ ਹੋਇ ਹਲਾਲ੝ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ <br>
ਨਾਨਕ ਗਲੀ ਕੂੜੀਈ ਕੂੜੋ ਪਲੈ ਪਾਇ ॥੨॥</big><br>


hak paraa-i-aa naankaa us soo-ar us gaa-ay. gur peer haamaa taa bharay jaa murdaar na khaa-ay. <br>galee bhisat na jaa-ee-ai chhutai sach kamaa-ay. maaran paahi haraam meh ho-ay halaal na jaa-ay.<br>naanak galee koorhee-ee koorho palai paa-ay. ॥2॥<br>


: To take what rightfully belongs to another, would be like a Muslim eating pork, or a Hindu eating beef.<br>Our Guru, our Spiritual Guide, stands by us, if we do not eat those carcasses.<br>By mere talk, people do not earn passage to Heaven. Salvation comes only from the practice of Truth.<br>By adding spices to forbidden foods, they are not made acceptable.<br>O Nanak, from false talk, only falsehood is obtained. ॥2॥}}




                                            What has life and what is living according to Gurmat ?
===Shabad Page 483===
{{Srigranth|483|21844|<big>ਰੋਜਾ ਧਰੈ ਮਨਾਵੈ ਅਲਹ੝ ਸ੝ਆਦਤਿ ਜੀਅ ਸੰਘਾਰੈ ॥ <br>
ਆਪਾ ਦੇਖਿ ਅਵਰ ਨਹੀ ਦੇਖੈ ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਝਖ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥ </big><br><br>
Rojĝ ḝẖarai manĝvai alhu su▫ĝḝaṯ jī▫a sangẖĝrai. <br>
Āpĝ ḝekẖ avar nahī ḝekẖai kĝhe ka▫o jẖakẖ mĝrai. ॥1॥ <br><br>


You keep your fasts to please Allah, while you murder other beings for pleasure. <br>
You look after your own interests, and so not see the interests of others. What good is your word?  ॥1॥ }}


ਅੰਡਜ ਜੇਰਜ ਸੇਤਜ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਣੀ ॥ - Ang 1109
===Shabad Page 1242===
His Light fills all those born of eggs, born from the womb, born of sweat and born of the earth, each and every heart.  
{{Srigranth|1242|53443|<big>ਕਲਿ  ਹੋਈ  ਕ੝ਤੇ  ਮ੝ਹੀ  ਖਾਜ੝  ਹੋਆ  ਮ੝ਰਦਾਰ੝  ॥ ਕੂੜ੝  ਬੋਲਿ  ਬੋਲਿ  ਭਉਕਣਾ  ਚੂਕਾ  ਧਰਮ੝  ਬੀਚਾਰ੝ ॥</big><br>


ਅੰਡਜ = ਅੰਡੇ ਤੋਂ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਜੀਵ। ਜੇਰਜ = ਜਿਓਰ ਤੋਂ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੇ। ਸੇਤਜ = ਮੁੜ੍ਹਕੇ ਤੋਂ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੋਣ ਵਾਲੇ।  ਉਤਭੁਜ = ਧਰਤੀ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਉੱਗਣ ਵਾਲੇ। ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ = ਹਰੇਕ ਘਟ ਵਿਚ।
kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar. koorh bol bol bha-ukanaa chookaa Dharam beechaar.<br>


ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਚੌਹਾਂ ਖਾਣੀਆਂ ਦੇ ਜੀਵਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਹਰੇਕ ਘਟ ਵਿਚ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਹੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਈ ਦਿੱਸਦੀ ਹੈ।
In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat rotting carcasses for food.<br>
They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them. }}


Guru Shaib Ji here says, the lord created all the creation from 4 sources, if killing an animal which is born from the womb is a sin, then why it is it not a sin to eat things which are born from the earth (Fruit, Vegetables’ ,etc) they also have the same light. According to the pangti the light is the same, therefore a sikh cant eat anything?  Many people say meat is eating a innocent for taste, then why do we eat vegetables and fruits and weath when gurbani is saying it has the same light. Something to think about
===Shabad Page 1374===
{{Srigranth|1374|58642|<big> ਕਬੀਰ ਜੋਰੀ ਕੀਝ ਜ੝ਲਮ੝ ਹੈ ਕਹਤਾ ਨਾਉ ਹਲਾਲ੝ ॥ ਦਫਤਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਂਗੀਝ ਤਬ ਹੋਇਗੋ ਕਉਨ੝ ਹਵਾਲ੝ ॥੧੮੭॥ <br>
ਕਬੀਰ ਖੂਬ੝ ਖਾਨਾ ਖੀਚਰੀ ਜਾ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੝ਰਿਤ੝ ਲੋਨ੝ ॥ ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨ੝ ॥੧੮੮॥ </big><br>


Today vegetarians, eat bacteria in yoghurt and other substances, yet call them self’s vegetarians? But you’re also eating something living which is moving; you say no to meat but yet eat living bacteria? Is that fair? Why are you practising hypocrisy? If you were not to eat, then don’t kill any, not even the products from earth, because they have the same light. But why this pakand, If a goat is innocent, then with the same light fruits are as well, and other foods.  
Kabīr jorī kī▫e julam hai kahṯĝ nĝ▫o halĝl. Ḏafṯar lekẖĝ mĝʼngī▫ai ṯab ho▫igo ka▫un havĝl. (187)<br>
kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon. hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un. (188) <br>


Kabeer, to use force is tyranny, even if you call it legal.  <br>
When your account is called for in the Court of the Lord, what will your condition be then? (187) <br>
Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt. <br>
Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? (188)}}


==Shabads in connection with fish==


ਅੰਡਜ ਜੇਰਜ ਸੇਤਜ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਸਭਿ ਵਰਨ ਰੂਪ ਜੀਅ ਜੰਤ ਉਪਈਆ ॥ - Ang 835
{{Srigranth|1377|58738|
Life is born from the egg, from the womb, from sweat and from the earth; God created the beings and creatures of all colors and forms. 
<big>ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛ੝ਲੀ ਸ੝ਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੝ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ <br>
ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਝ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ </big><br><br>


Here again guru sahib tells us the creation being created from 4 sources and all having different forms and colours.
kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi. <br>
tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi. ॥233॥ <br><br>


ਆਪੇ ਅੰਡਜ ਜੇਰਜ ਸੇਤਜ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਆਪੇ ਖੰਡ ਆਪੇ ਸਭ ਲੋਇ ॥ - Ang 604
Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine <br>
He Himself is born of the egg, from the womb, from sweat and from the earth; He Himself is the continents and all the worlds.
- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ॥233॥}}


So if you believe killing a animal for food is killing a innocent, then I suggest according to gurbani you should stop eating at all. We are Singhs not pundits, or Jainis or Buddhis, who have no spiritual knowledge, and are lost in hypocrisy and pakands  suggest vegetarians to walk around with there mouths covered lol so they can avoid air which cares bacteria in to there mouths.
==Shabads referring to "Eat a Simple Diet" ==


{{Srigranth|467|21091|<big> ਓਨ੝ਹ੝ਹੀ  ਮੰਦੈ  ਪੈਰ੝  ਨ  ਰਖਿਓ  ਕਰਿ  ਸ੝ਕ੝ਰਿਤ੝  ਧਰਮ੝  ਕਮਾਇਆ  ॥ <br> ਓਨ੝ਹ੝ਹੀ ਦ੝ਨੀਆ ਤੋੜੇ ਬੰਧਨਾ ਅੰਨ੝ ਪਾਣੀ ਥੋੜਾ ਖਾਇਆ ॥ </big><br>


onHee mandai pair na rakhi-o kar sukarit Dharam kamaa-i-aa. <br>
onHee dunee-aa torhay banDhnaa ann paanee thorhaa khaa-i-aa. <br>


They do not place their feet in sin, but do good deeds and live righteously in Dharma. <br>
They burn away the bonds of the world, and eat a simple diet of grain and water.}}


== Fools quarrel about Meat and Flesh==


* '''See full Shabad [[SGGS page 1289|here]]'''


                                      Meaning of Kheecharee (ਖੀਚਰੀ) to the Concept of Gurmat
{{Srigranth|1289|55398|ਮਃ ੧ ॥  मः १ ॥  mehlaa 1. First Mehl: <br>
<big> ਮਾਸ੝ ਮਾਸ੝ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖ੝ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨ੝ ਧਿਆਨ੝ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਕਉਣ੝ ਮਾਸ੝ ਕਉਣ੝ ਸਾਗ੝ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸ੝ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥ <br>
ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਝ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥ ਮਾਸ੝ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕ੝ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥ <br>
ਫੜ੝ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨ੝ ਧਿਆਨ੝ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਝ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥ <br>
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maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai. ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.<br>
gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay. maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay. <br>
farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai. naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai. <br><br>


ਕਬੀਰ ਖੂਬੁ ਖਾਨਾ ਖੀਚਰੀ ਜਾ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਲੋਨੁ ॥
'''The fools argue about flesh and meat''', but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? <br>
Kabīr kẖūb kẖānā kẖīcẖrī jā mėh amriṯ lon
It was the habit of the gods to kill rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. <br>
They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.}}


ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨੁ ॥੧੮੮॥
==Varan Bhai Gurdas ji - Key to [[SGGS]]==
Herā rotī kārne galā katāvai ka▫un


This Pangti is used by Vegetarians to say Kabeer Ji is saying I would rather eat Khichri rather than cutting a neck for meat? But these are not done correctly, arths don’t go to the Spiritual life and Atmik side of the Gurmat, because it is based dunaviely.
The following Shabads are from the Varan by [[Bhai Gurdas]] ji, whose Bani is referred to as the '''"Key"''' to the [[Sri Guru Granth Sahib]]:


===[http://www.searchgurbani.com/main.php?book=bhai_gurdas_vaaran&action=pauripage&vaar=25&pauri=17  Vaar 25 Pauri 17]===
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In this Pangti :
{{Quoter|<big> ਪਉੜੀ 17 (ਬਕਰੀ) <br>
ਖੀਚਰੀ – Khichri = Is low quality rice, Like left over mixed with water and salt.
ਸੀਹ ਪਜੂਤੀ ਬਕਰੀ ਮਰਦੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੜ ਹੜ ਹਸੀ॥ ਸੀਹ੝ ਪ੝ਛੈ ਵਿਸਮਾਦ੝ ਹੋਇ ਇਤ੝ ਅਉਸਰਿ ਕਿਤ੝ ਰਹਸਿ ਰਹਸੀ॥ <br>
( Differnent types of Matts (Puthi te Sidhi) mixed )
ਬਿਨਉ ਕਰੇਂਦੀ ਬਕਰੀ ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰ ਅਸਾਡੇ ਕੀਚਨਿ ਖਸੀ॥ ਅਕ ਧਤੂਰਾ ਖਾਧਿਆਂ ਕ੝ਹਿ ਕ੝ਹਿ ਖਲ ਉਖਲਿ ਵਿਣਸੀ॥ <br>
For example : False Storys (Sakhiyaa, Fake History, Flase Deravaad, Hindu Matt, Manmat, etc.
ਮਾਸ੝ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਲ ਵਢਿ ਕੈ ਹਾਲ੝ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣ੝ ਹੋਵਸੀ॥ ਗਰਬ੝ ਗਰੀਬੀ ਦੇਹ ਖੇਹ ਖਾਜ੝ ਅਖਾਜ੝ ਅਕਾਜ੝ ਕਰਸੀ॥ <br>
ਜਗਿ ਆਇਆ ਸਭ ਕੋਇ ਮਰਸੀ </big><br>


From these Amrit Gain cannot be obtained, but you get = Violence, Enmety, Maya, Chodhar, Homay... Vyakti pooja, which we see today, all this happening, due to againta and morakhta, Deravaad etc.
Pauri 17 (She Goat)<br>
seeh pajoothee bakaree maradhee hoee harr harr hasee.
seehu pushhai visamaadh hoe eith aousar kith rehas rehasee.<br>
bino karae(n)adhee bakaree puthr asaaddae keechan khasee.
ak dhhathooraa khaadhhiaaa(n) kuhi kuhi khal oukhal vinasee.<br>
maas khaan gal vadt kai haal thinaarraa koun hovasee.
garab gareebee dhaeh khaeh khaaj akhaaj akaaj karasee.<br>
jag aaeiaa sabh koe marasee.


Pauri 17 (She Goat)<br>


Those who haven’t tasted Amrit think Loon is Amrit but - Salt (loon) = Maya
Lion catches a goat; As the goat is dying, it begins to laugh. 
In awe the lion asks, why are you laughing?<br>
Humbly the goat says: Our sons are destroyed (castrated).
We only eat wild plants and suffer being slayed & skinned alive.<br>
Those who cut our throats and eat our flesh, what will be their plight? <br>
Proud and arrogant their bodies are a waste; inedible and fruitless.
All who come to the world will eventually die.  |Vaar 25 Pauri 17}}


ਖਾਰ ਸਮੁਦ੍ਰੁ ਢੰਢੋਲੀਐ ਇਕੁ ਮਣੀਆ ਪਾਵੈ ॥
Searching the salty sea, one finds the pearl.
Salt = Maya, Pearl = Amrit.


Amrit = ਰੋਟੀ
===[http://www.searchgurbani.com/main.php?book=bhai_gurdas_vaaran&action=pauripage&vaar=31&pauri=9 Vaar 31 Pauri 9]===
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Ang 1379
{{Quoter|<big> ਪਉੜੀ 9 ( ਪੂਤਨਾ ) <br>
ਫਰੀਦਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਕਾਠ ਕੀ ਲਾਵਣੁ ਮੇਰੀ ਭੁਖ
ਜੇ ਕਰਿ ਉਧਰੀ ਪੂਤਨਾ ਵਿਹ੝ ਪੀਆਲਣ੝ ਕੰਮ੝ ਨ ਚੰਗਾ । ਗਨਿਕਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਆਖੀਝ ਪਰ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਇ ਨ ਲਈਝ ਪੰਗਾ । <br>
Farīḏā rotī merī kāṯẖ kī lāvaṇ merī bẖukẖ. 
ਬਾਲਮੀਕ੝ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਆ ਮਾਰੈ ਵਾਟ ਨ ਹੋਇ ਨਿਸੰਗਾ । ਫੰਧਕਿ ਉਧਰੈ ਆਖੀਅਨਿ ਫਾਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਨ ਫੜੀਝ ਟੰਗਾ । <br>
ਜੇ ਕਾਸਾਈ ਉਧਰਿਆ ਜੀਆ ਘਾਇ ਨ ਖਾਈਝ ਭੰਗਾ । ਪਾਰਿ ਉਤਾਰੈ ਬੋਹਿਥਾ ਸ੝ਇਨਾ ਲੋਹ੝ ਨਾਹੀ ਇਕ ਰੰਗਾ । ਇਤ੝ ਭਰਵਾਸੈ ਰਹਣ੝ ਕ੝ਢੰਗਾ ॥੯॥ </big><br>


Gurbani gives you the wisdom, Nirole Gain, which you cannot obtain from ਖੀਚਰੀ.
Pauri 9 (Putana)<br>
From the Gain amritmayie Roti is obtained.  
jay kari udharee pootanaa vihu peeaalanu kanmu n changaa. ganikaa udharee aakheeai par ghari jaai n aeeai pangaa. <br>
Who receives this Amrit Gain? The one who offers his head to the Guru
baalameeku nisataariaa maarai vaat n hoi nisangaa. dhandhaki udharai aakheeani dhaahee paai n dharheeai tangaa. <br>
jay kaasaaee udhariaa jeeaa ghaai n khaaeeai bhangaa. paari utaarai bohidaa suinaa ohu naahee ik rangaa. itu bharavaasai rahanu kuddhangaa (9) <br>


“ਮਨੁ ਬੇਚੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਪਾਸਿ “
The one who cuts his mind with Gurmat, only he can obtain it
“ਮਸਤਕੁ ਕਾਟਿ ਧਰੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਆਗੈ ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਆਗੈ ਦੇਉ “ - 938
“ਜਉ ਤਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਖੇਲਣ ਕਾ ਚਾਉ ॥ ਸਿਰੁ ਧਰਿ ਤਲੀ ਗਲੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਆਉ ॥ ਇਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪੈਰੁ ਧਰੀਜੈ ॥  ਸਿਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਕਾਣਿ ਨ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੨੦” – 1412


So the whole concept of the shabad is based on the spirutalty level of one’s mind,
Pauri 9 (Putana)<br>
They think ਖੀਚਰੀ as Tat Gain and Loon as Amrit, but they don’t know of the Real Tat Gain (Roti) for which you need to cut your mind and place it in the feet of the true guru.  
Even if Putana (female demon) got liberated that does not mean that poisoning some one is a good act.<br>
Garika (a prostitute) was liberated but one should not enter other's house and invite trouble. <br>
Since Valmiki got blessed, one should not adopt the way of highway robbery. <br>
A bird catcher is also said to be liberated, but we should not catch hold of the leg of others by using snares. <br>
If Sadhana, the butcher got across (the world ocean), we should not put ourselves to harm by killing others. <br>
Ship takes across both iron and gold but still their forms and colours are not the same. <br>
In fact, living on such hopes is a bad life style.| Vaar 31 Pauri 9}}




===[http://www.searchgurbani.com/main.php?book=bhai_gurdas_vaaran&action=pauripage&vaar=37&pauri=21 Vaar 37 Pauri 21]===
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{{Quoter|<big> ਪਉੜੀ 21 ( ਨਿਗ੝ਰਾ ਮਨਮ੝ਖ੝ ਵਸ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀ ਆ ਸਕਦਾ ) <br>
ਕ੝ਹੈ ਕਸਾਈ ਬਕਰੀ ਲਾਇ ਲੂਣ ਸੀਖ ਮਾਸ੝ ਪਰੋਆ॥
ਹਸਿ ਹਸਿ ਬੋਲੇ ਕ੝ਹੀਂਦੀ ਖਾਧੇ ਅਕਿ ਹਾਲ੝ ਇਹ੝ ਹੋਆ॥ <br>
ਮਾਸ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਲਿ ਛ੝ਰੀ ਦੇ ਹਾਲ੝ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣ੝ ਅਲੋਆ॥
ਜੀਭੈ ਹੰਦਾ ਫੇੜਿਆ ਖਉ ਦੰਦਾਂ ਮ੝ਹ੝ ਭੰਨਿ ਵਿਗੋਆ॥ <br>
ਪਰ ਤਨ ਪਰ ਧਨ ਨਿੰਦ ਕਰਿ ਹੋਇ ਦ੝ਜੀਭਾ ਬਿਸੀਅਰ੝ ਭੋਆ॥
ਵਸਿ ਆਵੈ ਗ੝ਰ੝ਮੰਤ ਸਪ੝ ਨਿਗ੝ਰਾ ਮਨਮ੝ਖ੝ ਸ੝ਣੈ ਨ ਸੋਆ॥ <br>
ਵੇਖਿ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਅਗੈ ਟੋਆ </big><br>


Pauri 21 (One having no Guru is uncontrollable)<br>


kuhai kasaaee bakaree laae loon seekh maas paroaa.
has has bolae kuhee(n)adhee khaadhhae ak haal eihu hoaa. <br>
maas khaan gal shhuree dhae haal thinaarraa koun aloaa.
jeebhai ha(n)dhaa faerriaa kho dha(n)dhaa(n) muhu bha(n)n vigoaa. <br>
par than par dhhan ni(n)dh kar hoe dhujeebhaa biseear bhoaa.
vas aavai guruma(n)th sap niguraa manamukh sunai n soaa. <br>
vaekh n chalai agai ttoaa.<br>


Pauri 21 (One having no Guru is uncontrollable) <br>


The butcher slaughters the goat; salts the meat and strings it on a skewer. <br>
While being killed the goat laughingly says: I have come to this condition for grazing only coarse leaves of arid wild plants. <br>
What will be the plight of those who cutting the throat with a knife eat the flesh of animals? <br>
The perverted taste of the tongue is harmful for the teeth and damages the mouth. <br>
The one who eyes another’s wealth or body or slanders becomes a poisonous Amphisbaena. <br>
This snake is controlled by the Guru's mantra but the Guru-less [[manmukh]]  never listens to this glorious mantra. <br>
The Manmukh blindly moves ahead, never realizing the approaching deep pit ahead!<br>


ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥
(note: ''Amphisbaena is a mythical serpent having a head at each end of its body.'')|Vaar 37 Pauri 21}}
ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥
Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine
- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell.


In this Shabad Kabeer Ji hits those people who “, fasts” do “rituals” take “pilgrimage baths” a sikh does none of this, because a sikh does not do pakand. This is for those who do wrong on the name of religion then try to cover it up.


The backround of this Shabad is Shastars (Hindu Dharam Granth) and Kabeer Ji is talking to Muniyan.
====Kabir On Meat Issue====
Those Munis, the followers and worshipers of Simrti Shastars, and keep Fast, Ritual, Pilgrimages and discuss it, but they have no true wisdom of the Lord. (BharamGayan)
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<big>ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹ੝ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥ ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਝਕ੝ ਖ੝ਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮ੝ਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥ </big><br>
Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false. You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1|| </big><br>


According to them they practice Fasts, Rituals, Pilgrimages but also use bhang, fish, and drink alcohol. Gurmat doesn’t stop a sikh from eating meat, but this is a question for those who read Simirti Shasters and follow the (Hindu Code of Conduct) and yet deny it. Why this hypocrisy?
<big>ਮ੝ਲਾਂ ਕਹਹ੝ ਨਿਆਉ ਖ੝ਦਾਈ ॥ ਤੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਕਾ ਭਰਮ੝ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ </big><br>
O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice? The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled. ||1||Pause|| <br>


Here is quation from Holy Hindu Granths
<big>ਪਕਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਆਨਿਆ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਮਾਟੀ ਕਉ ਬਿਸਮਿਲਿ ਕੀਆ ॥ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਨਾਹਤ ਲਾਗੀ ਕਹ੝ ਹਲਾਲ੝ ਕਿਆ ਕੀਆ ॥੨॥ </big><br>
You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay. The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed? ||2|| <br>


“By not killing any living being, one becomes fit for salvation." (Manusmriti, 6.60)”
<big>ਕਿਆ ਉਜੂ ਪਾਕ੝ ਕੀਆ ਮ੝ਹ੝ ਧੋਇਆ ਕਿਆ ਮਸੀਤਿ ਸਿਰ੝ ਲਾਇਆ ॥ ਜਉ ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਕਪਟ੝ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗ੝ਜਾਰਹ੝ ਕਿਆ ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ </big><br>
And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque? Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca? ||3|| <br>


“By eating the flesh of other creatures lives in misery in whatever species he may take his birth. (Mahabharat 115.47)
<big>ਤੂੰ ਨਾਪਾਕ੝ ਪਾਕ੝ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝਿਆ ਤਿਸ ਕਾ ਮਰਮ੝ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਭਿਸਤਿ ਤੇ ਚੂਕਾ ਦੋਜਕ ਸਿਉ ਮਨ੝ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥੪॥੪॥ </big><br>
You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery. Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell. ||4||4||<br>


“It is the path that reflects on how it may avoid killing any creature.  (Tirukural 324)"
==Also See==


Bhagat Kabeer Ji trys to hit the Hindu who is lost and practising hypocrisy, at one place he acts like a holy man and at the other side he does what is condemned in it.
* [[SGGS 1350]]
* [[Kuthha]]
* [[Vegetarianism]]
* [[Vegetarianism Other Views]]
* [[Guru Granth Sahib against cruelty]]
* [[Do not give pain to others]]
* [[Cruelty and food]]


Sikh doesn’t believe in Paap and Punn?
==External links==
ਪਾਪ ਪੁੰਨ ਦੁਇ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨ ॥ Sin and virtue are both the same - Ang:325


On Sins and Rituals?
* [http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm How humans are not physically created to eat meat]
ਤੀਰਥ ਵਰਤ ਸੁਚਿ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਰਮੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਨਹੀ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ - Ang 75
* [http://www.4shared.com/file/206622274/d4fb43ea/Tamsik_bhojan-Muslim_Faqir_Ban.html Food have no relation with Spirit]
Pilgrimages, fasts, purification and self-discipline are of no use, nor are rituals, religious ceremonies or empty worship


So this shabad is mostly used to say Sikhs shouldn’t eat meat, but are we Hindus? It’s the Sikhs choice if he wants to be a pandit and practise those things first. It is important we look at the dept of Gurmat veechare, not just read 1 line English arths and make our conclusions. Sikh should eat what ever he gets according to where he lives, but most important is Gain.
=== Video ===
“Gyaan Ka Baddha Mann Rahe, Gur Bin Gyan Na Hoye”.


   
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9grdoNHPA0 Taksal view on Meat Part 1 of 2 ''(in Punjabi)''], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PE5srUQIMk Taksal view on Meat Part 2 of 2 ''(in Punjabi)'']
* [http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4yBwwwfSgC8 SIKHI AND MEAT-IS IT ALLOWED?] Gruesome video - exercise discretion (NOT FOR THE FAINT-HEARTED)


Salok mėhlā 1. - Ang 140
==Gallery==
ਜੇ ਰਤੁ ਲਗੈ ਕਪੜੈ ਜਾਮਾ ਹੋਇ ਪਲੀਤੁ ॥
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If clothes have blood on them, they get polluted (One cannot perform Navias - Holy prayer)
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ਜੋ ਰਤੁ ਪੀਵਹਿ ਮਾਣਸਾ ਤਿਨ ਕਿਉ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਚੀਤੁ ॥
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But those humans who drink the blood of other humans in saying who force their rights on others things, take what's not theirs, how can such people have a pure mind? Doesn’t the mind get polluted with this blood?
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ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਉ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਾ ਦਿਲਿ ਹਛੈ ਮੁਖਿ ਲੇਹੁ ॥
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O Nanak, Chant the lords name with a clean heart hence without hypocrisy and false hood inside you.
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ਅਵਰਿ ਦਿਵਾਜੇ ਦੁਨੀ ਕੇ ਝੂਠੇ ਅਮਲ ਕਰੇਹੁ ॥੧॥
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Without this everything else in this world is a show, and in what deeds are you stuck in?
{{Sggson}}


Another pangti used by vegetarians, yet it has no relation to meat, Guru sahib is taking about people who have no spiritual wisdom and are lost in Lobh (Greed) they act holy from the outside but are filled with filth in side.
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ਭਰੀਐ ਮਤਿ ਪਾਪਾ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ॥ ਓਹੁ ਧੋਪੈ ਨਾਵੈ ਕੈ ਰੰਗਿ ॥ - Ang 4
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But when the intellect is stained and polluted,
it can only be cleansed by the Love of the Name


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Prabhaatee - 1350
ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥
You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens?
 
Guru Sahib is telling a Mulla that you try to impress Lord by making a sacrifice of a Chicken, but you don’t know that a chicken is God's creation so why u sacafising something which is already his? Why not sacrifice your mind by cutting it down with Gain Khadag?
 
The creator is everywhere, from the bacteria inside your lungs to an elephant outside, in earth and water. Guru shaibs main motive is to wake up the mulla who is doing pakand in the Lord's name by killing the chicken. It talks about hypocrite of a Mulla, who is lost in pakand. Who believes that salvation is obtained by killing a chicken, and making a sacrifice to god, but why are you giving something to god who is already his?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ang 1103
ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥
ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥
You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action.
Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?
You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher?
 
 
In this Shabad Guru Shaib Ji is talking to a Pandit, Guru Shaib Ji says to a pandit,
Guru Ji says O Pandit, you Hypocrite, on one side you slander and call a person who eats meat, but you yourself make a sacrifice on the Hindu Ritual Day called “Jagg”.
 
And you clam this to be a religious and righteous then tell me what a unrighteous action is when you do it yourself? Why do you call the people who eat meat or sell it bad, if a Pandit in a form of saint kills in the name of religion? Pandit, who says bad things to others,that they eat meat or sell yet himself does it in the name of religion. Pandit is a hypocrite, because he does something which he says is bad, and he slanders others for so Guru sahib Ji challenges him and asks him why?
 
Below Guru Shaib Ji on Hypocrites:
Ang 230
ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਡੰਫੁ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਚਤੁਰਾਈ ॥
The self-willed manmukhs are such clever hypocrites.
 
ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ਸੁ ਥਾਇ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥
No matter what they do, it is not acceptable.
 
ਆਵੈ ਜਾਵੈ ਠਉਰ ਨ ਕਾਈ ॥੫॥
They come and go in reincarnation, and find no place of rest.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ang 1375
ਕਬੀਰ ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਹੋਇ ਹੋਇ ਗਇਆ ਕੇਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਕਬੀਰ ॥
ਸਾਂਈ ਮੁਝ ਮਹਿ ਕਿਆ ਖਤਾ ਮੁਖਹੁ ਨ ਬੋਲੈ ਪੀਰ ॥੧੯੮॥
ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਅ ਜੁ ਮਾਰਹਿ ਜੋਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਕਹਤੇ ਹਹਿ ਜੁ ਹਲਾਲੁ ॥
ਦਫਤਰੁ ਦਈ ਜਬ ਕਾਢਿ ਹੈ ਹੋਇਗਾ ਕਉਨੁ ਹਵਾਲੁ ॥੧੯੯॥
 
Kabeer, I went to Mecca - how many times, Kabeer? 
O Lord, what is the problem with me? You have not spoken to me with Your Mouth.
Kabeer, they oppress living beings and kill them, and call it proper. 
When the Lord calls for their account, what will their condition be?
 
In this Bhagat Kabeer Ji talks about how Muslims do animal sacrifice, Kabeer Ji says I went to Mecca many times, but what is the problem that the lord didn’t talk to me? Kabeer Ji says what fault is he looking in me? So he says, by doing Hajj and Kurbani (Sacrifice) one didn’t get salvation, meaning that the lord is not impressed by doing these things.  Because he is inside us “Man Tu Jot Saroop Ha, Apna Mool Pashaan” – Without Gain there could be no gain, no matter how many Hajjs or Kurbania you do.
 
ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡੁ ਬਲਾਇਆ ਅਗਿਆਨੁ ਅੰਧੇਰਾ ਜਾਇ ॥੨॥ - Ang 29,
The Guru has lit the brilliant light of spiritual wisdom, and the darkness of ignorance has been dispelled.
 
O Kabeer, those people who sacrifice animals and say this is proven and has been written as a Kurbani to make the lord happy , in other words the Muslims who are blind in thinking that by killing animals the lord will be happy, that concept is contradicted by kabeer Ji, because without Naam/Gain there is no salvation.  So kabeer ji says when the lord asks for their account, what have they done on the earth, How many times did you remembered him, prayed from the bottom of the heart, what will these people answer ? Who have just killed and sacrificed animals in the name of the lord, this kurbani or sacrifice will not impress him and there condition will be bad.  Only true Wisdom will.
 
To conclude this section of the article, “ Guru Granth and Meat “ I have tried with Satgurus blessing, to anylase the misconception which are raised, this is mostly to the poor arths done using English Text. And most arths are done with out the backround knowedlge of the shabad. So I hope it makes things clear, if  you would like anymore shabads discussed about, do contact me. Please also correct me if I have made so I can also learn more from fellow Sikhs.  Please do read the next part of the Article.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
                                                            Meat and Sikh History.
 
Sikh history is a very important factor which we must consider when talking about a topic like Meat, now the question is did the Puratan Sikhs use meat, and is it written in Rehitnamas from Guru sahibs time? We must closely analyse them. To my research I haven’t found any sikh historical Granth from 1700 – late 1800s, which contradicted the eating of meat in Sikhi.
 
To all these historical Sikh texts such as
 
Sri Gur Sobha by Kavi Saina Singh (1741),
Gur Rattan Mala by Sahib Singh (1734),
Gurbilas by Kuir Singh (1751),
Bansavlinama by Kesar Singh (1769),
Mehima Prakash by Saroop Singh (1776),
Guru Kian Sakhian by Saroop Singh Kaushish (1790),
Shaheed Bilas by Seva Singh (1803),
Singh Sagar by Bir Singh Bal (1827),
Sri Guru Pracheen Panth Prakash by Rattan Singh Bhangu (1841),
Sri Gurpratap Suraj Prakash by Kavi Santokh Singh (1843),
Gurmat Nirannya by Pandit Tara Singh Narotam (1877), and
Naveen Panth Prakash by Giani Gian Singh (1878),
 
As well as the puratan rehit nama’s all have references to Jhatka being accepted within the Sikh code of conduct (Rehit Maryada), or the clear ban on eating flesh that has been killed according to the Muslim ritual of Halal, also known as Kutha within the Sikh community.
 
 
 
 
The term Jhatka is also mentioned by Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha, a noted Sikh historian and theologian, defines 'Chatka' (also referred to as 'Jhatka'/'Jatka'/'Jhhatka') as:'Chatka - Speak 'Sat Sri Akal' [Sikh battle chant] and decapitate the head with one blow of the weapon.'(Mahan Kosh, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha, 1926)
 
 
 
Bhai Dessa Singh Jis Rhehitnama, is a Panth Parvaan Rehitnama and Bhai Shaib ji states:
The flesh of a goat/animal may be eaten provided the goat/animal is killed with a single blow well away from a langar, but all other meat(halal, other types) is forbidden. Always wash your hands before eating. Take food when you are hungry. Never eat alone. Share your food with other Singhs. Gather many Singhs and give them food. [25, 32, 65, 66, 70, 102, 107 (cf. 105)]
 
 
 
('Rehitnameh', by Piara Singh Padam, Pa. 148)
A rehatnama is a written sikh code of conduct approved by guru ji for sikhs to follow,
'If you eat a goat then do so after Chatka only'
 
 
 
Rattan Singh Bhangu (Author of Pracheen Panth Prakash (1804) was a Sikh nobleman who wrote the history of Sikh struggles and rise to power in North India. In 1740 Bhai Mehtab Singh Bhangoo killed Massa Ranghar and helped to liberate the Golden Temple from the Mughal clutches. He later achieved martyrdom in Lahore. In 1841 his grandson Bhai Rattan Singh Bhangu wrote the first documented history of Sikhs, Prachin Panth Parkash.
 
 
Rattan Singh Bhangu writes about the instructions Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave to his Sikhs after administering Khandey Di Pahul.
 
ਕਰ ਝਟਕੈ ਬਕਰਨ ਕੋ ਖੱਯੋ । ਮੁਰਦੈ ਕੁੱਠੈ ਨਿਕਟ ਨ ਜੱਯੋ ।
ਕੇਸਨ ਕੀ ਕੀਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ । ਨਹਿ ਉਸਤ੍ਰਨ ਸੋ ਕਟਯੋ ਬਾਲ ॥੧੮॥
[Satiguru instructed that] they should conduct 'Jhatka' of goats, but should not go near dead animals and Kutha [halal meat]. Take good care of your Kes [long hair],do not cut your hair with razors.
 
Further he writes: Page 134
"Ja pahunchyo vahi singh sajana, Agai lagyo hut Khalsai Deewana
pardhain shabad au bajai Rababa, Sukkhai ghotan bhunnain Mah Parshadi"
 
The Khalsa Singhs were holding a religious congregation.
Gurbani hymns were being recited to the accompaniment of music,
As well as Shaheedi Deg were being grounded and meat roasted.
 
"Kou Ghodian ko Malash karai, ko shastar Manj ujjal kar dharai.
Kou teer ko bandook chalavhi. kou ungal par chakkar ghumâvahi."
Some singhs are grooming and sprucing up their horses,
A few others were cleaning and sharpening their weapons,
While a few others were practicing shooting of arrows and firing of guns,
Some else was rotating a circular ring over his finger
 
On Page 531
‘Jhatka was performed on a goat and its skin was removed. Immediately the Singhs made a nagara (battle drum) using its skin.’
 
 
 
'GURBLIAS PATSHAIE 10, poeticized account of the life of Guru Gobind Singh by Bhai Sukkha Singh. The poet, a convert to Sikhism from the barber caste, was born at Anandpur in 1768 and completed the work in 1797 when he was barely twenty-nine. The poetry is more Braj than Punjabi, but the script used is Gurmukhi. He Clearly states “Guru himself did Jhatka referenced” in Bhasha Vibhag, Pa. 171)
 
 
 
SRI GURPARTAP SURAJ PARKASH, popularly known as the Suraj Parkash is detailed work of 51,829 verses describing the lives of the last nine Sikh Gurus and Banda Bahadur. It was finished in 1843 by Bhai Santokh Singh. It is a sequel to his own Nanak Prakash, describing the life of the first Guru.
“Accessing the healthy goats, Chatka them, [Guru Gobind Singh] had them cooked and, eaten [By Guru and his Singhs].' Vol.14, Pa. 6240
 
 
 
 
SRI GURU PANTH PRAKASH, popularly Panth Prakash, by Giani Gian Singh 1880, is a history of the Sikhs in verse. As the title suggests, it is an account of the rise and development of the Guru Panth, i.e. the Klialsa or the Sikh community. Sri Guru Panth Prakash covers a vast span of Sikh history from Guru Nanak (1469-1539), the founder of the faith, to the annexation of the Punjab by the British and death of Maharaja Duleep Singh. It is the same book in which we first find the shabad, "Sab Sikhan Ko Hukam Hai, Guru Maniyo Granth".
 
The following quotes deal with the Khalsa's lineage and some of the Rehat given to the Khalsa.
 
ਖੇਲੈਂ ਨਿੱਤ ਸ਼ਿਕਾਰ ਬਨਨ ਮੈਂ, ਮਾਰਿ ਮ੍ਰਿਗ ਬਹੁ ਖਾਵੈਂ ।
Always partake in hunting, [practice] killing deer and then eat your hunt.
 
ਘੋੜਨ ਪਰ ਅਸਵਾਰ ਹੋਇ ਕਰਿ, ਸਜ ਕੈ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਾਰੇ ।
Ride horses and wear all sorts of weapons.
 
ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਬ੍ਯਿਾ ਸੀਖ ਸਿਖਾਵੈਂ, ਜਪੈ ਅਕਾਲ ਅਕਾਲੇ ।
Learn Shastar Bidya [the science of Arms], and chant Akaal Akaal
 
[Naveen Panth Prakash, pg. 1589, Vol. 3]
 
 
 
On the field of battle,the foremost Sikh historian of the 'Missal' (confederacy) period (1735-1770's),
 
Shaheed Bhai Rattan Singh Bhangu, states:
'How can vegetarianism work where there is constant war? How can a Vegetarian Panth survive there? How can vegetarians survive there, where there is daily war, daily bloodshed? There you might have to survive by drinking the enemy's blood. There are such difficult circumstances. In Banda Bahadur Bairagi's Panth were Sadhus. How could they know of this?'
 
 
 
To conclude, I have try to give a good explanation of use of meat in Sikh History, there are many more texts which support the same ideology of Jhatka and Hunting. Many people will say they don’t agree with historians, but who are we without them? We can’t even prove our existence; we can even prove the Guru Gaddi of Guru Granth without it, Khanda Di Paul, Khalsa and the life styles of Puratan Singhs etc. If you have anything which you want to question please do let me know, and if you have any proof or evidence which proves this research wrong, do let me know or write a article in response, I would love to learn from another Gursikh.
 
 
ਵਾਹੇਗੁਰੁਜਿਕਾਖਾਲ੍ਸਾਵਾਹੇਗੁਰੁਜਿਕਿਫਾਤੇਹ
ਗੁਰੂਬਰਾਕਾਲ
 
 
 
 
References:
Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji
Sri Dasam Granth Shaib ji
Sri Guru Panth Parkash
Naveen Panth Parkash
Gurbliash Patshaie 10
Sri Gurpartap Suraj Parkash
Mahan Kosh
Rehitnama Bhai Desa Singh Ji
Rehitnama Bhai Payara Singh Padam

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What does Gurbani say?

This article is based entirely on the views expressed by the Sikh Gurus in Gurbani – and does not rely on any outside views. Guru's message is clear and unambiguous and anyone who understands Gurmukhi will be able to come to their own conclusion.

Gurbani i.e. writings within the Sri Guru Granth Sahib (or SGGS) are the most important spiritual guidance for a Sikh as the Bani is regarded as the Guru or ultimate "Spiritual teacher" for the Sikh. ("Bani guru, guru hai bani vich bani amrit saaray."… "Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within Bani, all Ambrosial Nectars are found." sggs p982)

To be a Sikh is to regard the SGGS as ones primary spiritual guide. The message within the Guru Granth Sahib is the universal and moral guide for all of humanity and in particular for all Sikhs. No Hukamnama (order, directive or decree) by anyone other than the Sikh Guru can move the Guru's Sikh away from this stand ("Hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal.." …. " O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will". sggs p1).

Gurbani offers clear guidance on this important issue. The following quotes from Varan Bhai Gurdas and Sri Guru Granth Sahib give the Sikhs clear and concise direction on what a Sikh should eat or not eat and other aspect of this important facet of a person's spiritual and moral life.

Background

Bhai Gurdas Ji was the first scribe of the Adi Granth. He was responsible for writing the first compilation of the Holy Granth. While Guru Arjan Dev ji dictated the Bani, Bhai Sahib put the words to paper. He is recognised as the first "Scholar of Sikhism" and his own writings, called the Varan Bhai Gurdas were called by Guru Arjan Dev, "the Key to the Sri Guru Granth Sahib". The Varan also offer clear secondary guidance on this subject to the Sikh as well.

Despite this article outlining the fact that eating meat is not in strict compliance with the principles of Sikhism, it should be very clear to all that whether one eats meat or not, is only one aspect of the life of a Sikh. So no greater importance should be given to this issue at the expense of the many other issues which are of equal importance to a Sikh. It is not an issue where one should engage in heated argument - Read Gurbani and make your own decision on this matter.

This topic is very emotive and many Sikhs who cannot read or understand the original Gurmukhi text are unable to understand the Guru's clear message and will use their own Manmat (entrenched personal stand) or views of other academics to propagate their own views or views of other who have not relied on the Guru's word. When deciding on this subject or any other issue about Dharam (righteous living), a Sikh should rely only on Gurbani and disregard views of others. ("Saṯgur kī banī sat sat kar jĝnhu gursikhahu har kartĝ ĝp muhhu kadhĝ­ė." … "O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it." sggs p308 )

Shabads from Guru Granth Sahib

This section below lists shabads directly from Guru Granth Sahib which have a connection with meat and related matters. They are further sub-divided into sub-sections for easy of reference:

Shabads with the word "Kill"

The following shabads have the word kill in the translation:

Shabad page 723

SGGS Page 723 Full Shabad
ਬੰਦੇ ਚਸਮ ਦੀਦੰ ਫਨਾਇ ॥

ਦ੝ਨਂ​”ੀਆ ਮ੝ਰਦਾਰ ਖ੝ਰਦਨੀ ਗਾਫਲ ਹਵਾਇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
ਗੈਬਾਨ ਹੈਵਾਨ ਹਰਾਮ ਕ੝ਸਤਨੀ ਮ੝ਰਦਾਰ ਬਖੋਰਾਇ ॥
ਦਿਲ ਕਬਜ ਕਬਜਾ ਕਾਦਰੋ ਦੋਜਕ ਸਜਾਇ ॥੨॥

banday chasam deedaN fanaa-ay.
duneeN-aa murdaar khurdanee gaafal havaa-ay. rahaa-o.
gaibaan haivaan haraam kustanee murdaar bakhoraa-ay.
dil kabaj kabjaa kaadro dojak sajaa-ay. (2)

O human being, whatever you can see with your eyes, shall perish.
The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed. ((Pause))
Like a goblin, or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat.
So control your urges, or else you will be seized by the Lord, and thrown into the tortures of hell.
(2)

Shabad page 1103

SGGS Page 1103 Full Shabad
ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹ੝ ਸ੝ ਧਰਮ੝ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹ੝ ਅਧਰਮ੝ ਕਹਹ੝ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥

ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮ੝ਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹ੝ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹ੝ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥

jee-a baDhahu so Dharam kar thaapahu aDhram kahhu kat bhaa-ee.
aapas ka-o munivar kar thaapahu kaa ka-o kahhu kasaa-ee. (2)

You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action.
Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?
You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? (2)

Shabad page 1128

SGGS Page 1128 Full Shabad
ਸੋ ਜਾਗੈ ਜੋ ਤਤ੝ ਬੀਚਾਰੈ ॥
ਆਪਿ ਮਰੈ ਅਵਰਾ ਨਹ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੩॥

so jaagai jo tat beechaarai.
aap marai avraa nah maarai. (3)

One who contemplates the essence of reality remains awake and aware.
He kills his self-conceit, and does not kill anyone else. (3)



Shabad page 1350

SGGS Page 1350 Full Shabad
ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹ੝ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥

ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਝਕ੝ ਖ੝ਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮ੝ਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

bayd katayb kahhu mat jhoothay jhoothaa jo na bichaarai.
ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai. (1)

Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false.
Those who do not contemplate them are false.
You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? (1)


Shabad page 1375

SGGS Page 1375 Full Shabad
ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਅ ਜ੝ ਮਾਰਹਿ ਜੋਰ੝ ਕਰਿ ਕਹਤੇ ਹਹਿ ਜ੝ ਹਲਾਲ੝ ॥
ਦਫਤਰ੝ ਦਈ ਜਬ ਕਾਢਿ ਹੈ ਹੋਇਗਾ ਕਉਨ੝ ਹਵਾਲ੝ ॥੧੯੯॥

kabeer jee-a jo maareh jor kar kahtay heh jo halaal.
daftar da-ee jab kaadh hai ho-igaa ka-un havaal. (199)

Kabeer, they oppress living beings and kill them, and call it proper.
When the Lord calls for their account, what will their condition be? (199)

Other Shabads connected with Meat

Shabad Page 15

SGGS Page 15 Full Shabad
ਰਸ੝ ਸ੝ਇਨਾ ਰਸ੝ ਰ੝ਪਾ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਰਸ੝ ਪਰਮਲ ਕੀ ਵਾਸ੝ ॥

ਰਸ੝ ਘੋੜੇ ਰਸ੝ ਸੇਜਾ ਮੰਦਰ ਰਸ੝ ਮੀਠਾ ਰਸ੝ ਮਾਸ੝ ॥
ਝਤੇ ਰਸ ਸਰੀਰ ਕੇ ਕੈ ਘਟਿ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਵਾਸ੝ ॥੨॥

ras su-inaa ras rupaa kaaman ras parmal kee vaas.
ras ghorhay ras sayjaa mandar ras meethaa ras maas.
aytay ras sareer kay kai ghat naam nivaas. ॥2॥

The pleasure of gold, pleasure of silvers and damsels, pleasure of fragrance of sandal,
pleasure of horses, pleasure of common cushion with a houri and a palace, pleasure of sweets and pleasure of meats,
So many are the relishes of the human body. How can then God's Name secure an abode within the heart? ॥2॥

  • English translation by Bhai Manmohan Singh

Shabad Page 139

SGGS Page 139 Full Shabad
ਕੂੜ੝ ਬੋਲਿ ਮ੝ਰਦਾਰ੝ ਖਾਇ ॥ ਅਵਰੀ ਨੋ ਸਮਝਾਵਣਿ ਜਾਇ ॥

ਮ੝ਠਾ ਆਪਿ ਮ੝ਹਾਝ ਸਾਥੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਝਸਾ ਆਗੂ ਜਾਪੈ ॥੧॥

Kūṛ bol murḝĝr kẖĝ▫e. Avrī no samjẖĝvaṇ jĝ▫e.
Muṯẖĝ ĝp muhĝ▫e sĝthai. Nĝnak aisĝ ĝgū jĝpai. ॥1॥

Telling lies, they eat dead bodies. And yet, they go out to teach others.
They are deceived, and they deceive their companions. O Nanak, such are the leaders of men. ॥1॥


Shabad Page 141

SGGS Page 141 Full Shabad
ਹਕ੝ ਪਰਾਇਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਉਸ੝ ਸੂਅਰ ਉਸ੝ ਗਾਇ ॥ ਗ੝ਰ੝ ਪੀਰ੝ ਹਾਮਾ ਤਾ ਭਰੇ ਜਾ ਮ੝ਰਦਾਰ੝ ਨ ਖਾਇ ॥

ਗਲੀ ਭਿਸਤਿ ਨ ਜਾਈਝ ਛ੝ਟੈ ਸਚ੝ ਕਮਾਇ ॥ ਮਾਰਣ ਪਾਹਿ ਹਰਾਮ ਮਹਿ ਹੋਇ ਹਲਾਲ੝ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
ਨਾਨਕ ਗਲੀ ਕੂੜੀਈ ਕੂੜੋ ਪਲੈ ਪਾਇ ॥੨॥

hak paraa-i-aa naankaa us soo-ar us gaa-ay. gur peer haamaa taa bharay jaa murdaar na khaa-ay.
galee bhisat na jaa-ee-ai chhutai sach kamaa-ay. maaran paahi haraam meh ho-ay halaal na jaa-ay.
naanak galee koorhee-ee koorho palai paa-ay. ॥2॥

To take what rightfully belongs to another, would be like a Muslim eating pork, or a Hindu eating beef.
Our Guru, our Spiritual Guide, stands by us, if we do not eat those carcasses.
By mere talk, people do not earn passage to Heaven. Salvation comes only from the practice of Truth.
By adding spices to forbidden foods, they are not made acceptable.
O Nanak, from false talk, only falsehood is obtained. ॥2॥


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ਰੋਜਾ ਧਰੈ ਮਨਾਵੈ ਅਲਹ੝ ਸ੝ਆਦਤਿ ਜੀਅ ਸੰਘਾਰੈ ॥

ਆਪਾ ਦੇਖਿ ਅਵਰ ਨਹੀ ਦੇਖੈ ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਝਖ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥

Rojĝ ḝẖarai manĝvai alhu su▫ĝḝaṯ jī▫a sangẖĝrai.
Āpĝ ḝekẖ avar nahī ḝekẖai kĝhe ka▫o jẖakẖ mĝrai. ॥1॥

You keep your fasts to please Allah, while you murder other beings for pleasure.
You look after your own interests, and so not see the interests of others. What good is your word? ॥1॥

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ਕਲਿ ਹੋਈ ਕ੝ਤੇ ਮ੝ਹੀ ਖਾਜ੝ ਹੋਆ ਮ੝ਰਦਾਰ੝ ॥ ਕੂੜ੝ ਬੋਲਿ ਬੋਲਿ ਭਉਕਣਾ ਚੂਕਾ ਧਰਮ੝ ਬੀਚਾਰ੝ ॥

kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar. koorh bol bol bha-ukanaa chookaa Dharam beechaar.

In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat rotting carcasses for food.
They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.

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ਕਬੀਰ ਜੋਰੀ ਕੀਝ ਜ੝ਲਮ੝ ਹੈ ਕਹਤਾ ਨਾਉ ਹਲਾਲ੝ ॥ ਦਫਤਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਂਗੀਝ ਤਬ ਹੋਇਗੋ ਕਉਨ੝ ਹਵਾਲ੝ ॥੧੮੭॥

ਕਬੀਰ ਖੂਬ੝ ਖਾਨਾ ਖੀਚਰੀ ਜਾ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੝ਰਿਤ੝ ਲੋਨ੝ ॥ ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨ੝ ॥੧੮੮॥

Kabīr jorī kī▫e julam hai kahṯĝ nĝ▫o halĝl. Ḏafṯar lekẖĝ mĝʼngī▫ai ṯab ho▫igo ka▫un havĝl. (187)
kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon. hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un. (188)

Kabeer, to use force is tyranny, even if you call it legal.
When your account is called for in the Court of the Lord, what will your condition be then? (187)
Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.
Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? (188)

Shabads in connection with fish

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ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛ੝ਲੀ ਸ੝ਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੝ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥
ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਝ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥

kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi.
tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi. ॥233॥

Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine
- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ॥233॥

Shabads referring to "Eat a Simple Diet"

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ਓਨ੝ਹ੝ਹੀ ਮੰਦੈ ਪੈਰ੝ ਨ ਰਖਿਓ ਕਰਿ ਸ੝ਕ੝ਰਿਤ੝ ਧਰਮ੝ ਕਮਾਇਆ ॥
ਓਨ੝ਹ੝ਹੀ ਦ੝ਨੀਆ ਤੋੜੇ ਬੰਧਨਾ ਅੰਨ੝ ਪਾਣੀ ਥੋੜਾ ਖਾਇਆ ॥

onHee mandai pair na rakhi-o kar sukarit Dharam kamaa-i-aa.
onHee dunee-aa torhay banDhnaa ann paanee thorhaa khaa-i-aa.

They do not place their feet in sin, but do good deeds and live righteously in Dharma.
They burn away the bonds of the world, and eat a simple diet of grain and water.

Fools quarrel about Meat and Flesh

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ਮਃ ੧ ॥ मः १ ॥ mehlaa 1. First Mehl:

ਮਾਸ੝ ਮਾਸ੝ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖ੝ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨ੝ ਧਿਆਨ੝ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਕਉਣ੝ ਮਾਸ੝ ਕਉਣ੝ ਸਾਗ੝ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸ੝ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥
ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਝ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥ ਮਾਸ੝ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕ੝ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥
ਫੜ੝ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨ੝ ਧਿਆਨ੝ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਝ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥

maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai. ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.
gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay. maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.
farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai. naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai.

The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin?
It was the habit of the gods to kill rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.
They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.

Varan Bhai Gurdas ji - Key to SGGS

The following Shabads are from the Varan by Bhai Gurdas ji, whose Bani is referred to as the "Key" to the Sri Guru Granth Sahib:

Vaar 25 Pauri 17

ਪਉੜੀ 17 (ਬਕਰੀ)

ਸੀਹ ਪਜੂਤੀ ਬਕਰੀ ਮਰਦੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੜ ਹੜ ਹਸੀ॥ ਸੀਹ੝ ਪ੝ਛੈ ਵਿਸਮਾਦ੝ ਹੋਇ ਇਤ੝ ਅਉਸਰਿ ਕਿਤ੝ ਰਹਸਿ ਰਹਸੀ॥
ਬਿਨਉ ਕਰੇਂਦੀ ਬਕਰੀ ਪ੝ਤ੝ਰ ਅਸਾਡੇ ਕੀਚਨਿ ਖਸੀ॥ ਅਕ ਧਤੂਰਾ ਖਾਧਿਆਂ ਕ੝ਹਿ ਕ੝ਹਿ ਖਲ ਉਖਲਿ ਵਿਣਸੀ॥
ਮਾਸ੝ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਲ ਵਢਿ ਕੈ ਹਾਲ੝ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣ੝ ਹੋਵਸੀ॥ ਗਰਬ੝ ਗਰੀਬੀ ਦੇਹ ਖੇਹ ਖਾਜ੝ ਅਖਾਜ੝ ਅਕਾਜ੝ ਕਰਸੀ॥
ਜਗਿ ਆਇਆ ਸਭ ਕੋਇ ਮਰਸੀ

Pauri 17 (She Goat)
seeh pajoothee bakaree maradhee hoee harr harr hasee. seehu pushhai visamaadh hoe eith aousar kith rehas rehasee.
bino karae(n)adhee bakaree puthr asaaddae keechan khasee. ak dhhathooraa khaadhhiaaa(n) kuhi kuhi khal oukhal vinasee.
maas khaan gal vadt kai haal thinaarraa koun hovasee. garab gareebee dhaeh khaeh khaaj akhaaj akaaj karasee.
jag aaeiaa sabh koe marasee.

Pauri 17 (She Goat)

Lion catches a goat; As the goat is dying, it begins to laugh. In awe the lion asks, why are you laughing?
Humbly the goat says: Our sons are destroyed (castrated). We only eat wild plants and suffer being slayed & skinned alive.
Those who cut our throats and eat our flesh, what will be their plight?
Proud and arrogant their bodies are a waste; inedible and fruitless. All who come to the world will eventually die.

Vaar 25 Pauri 17


Vaar 31 Pauri 9

ਪਉੜੀ 9 ( ਪੂਤਨਾ )

ਜੇ ਕਰਿ ਉਧਰੀ ਪੂਤਨਾ ਵਿਹ੝ ਪੀਆਲਣ੝ ਕੰਮ੝ ਨ ਚੰਗਾ । ਗਨਿਕਾ ਉਧਰੀ ਆਖੀਝ ਪਰ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਇ ਨ ਲਈਝ ਪੰਗਾ ।
ਬਾਲਮੀਕ੝ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਆ ਮਾਰੈ ਵਾਟ ਨ ਹੋਇ ਨਿਸੰਗਾ । ਫੰਧਕਿ ਉਧਰੈ ਆਖੀਅਨਿ ਫਾਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਨ ਫੜੀਝ ਟੰਗਾ ।
ਜੇ ਕਾਸਾਈ ਉਧਰਿਆ ਜੀਆ ਘਾਇ ਨ ਖਾਈਝ ਭੰਗਾ । ਪਾਰਿ ਉਤਾਰੈ ਬੋਹਿਥਾ ਸ੝ਇਨਾ ਲੋਹ੝ ਨਾਹੀ ਇਕ ਰੰਗਾ । ਇਤ੝ ਭਰਵਾਸੈ ਰਹਣ੝ ਕ੝ਢੰਗਾ ॥੯॥

Pauri 9 (Putana)
jay kari udharee pootanaa vihu peeaalanu kanmu n changaa. ganikaa udharee aakheeai par ghari jaai n aeeai pangaa.
baalameeku nisataariaa maarai vaat n hoi nisangaa. dhandhaki udharai aakheeani dhaahee paai n dharheeai tangaa.
jay kaasaaee udhariaa jeeaa ghaai n khaaeeai bhangaa. paari utaarai bohidaa suinaa ohu naahee ik rangaa. itu bharavaasai rahanu kuddhangaa (9)


Pauri 9 (Putana)
Even if Putana (female demon) got liberated that does not mean that poisoning some one is a good act.
Garika (a prostitute) was liberated but one should not enter other's house and invite trouble.
Since Valmiki got blessed, one should not adopt the way of highway robbery.
A bird catcher is also said to be liberated, but we should not catch hold of the leg of others by using snares.
If Sadhana, the butcher got across (the world ocean), we should not put ourselves to harm by killing others.
Ship takes across both iron and gold but still their forms and colours are not the same.
In fact, living on such hopes is a bad life style.

Vaar 31 Pauri 9


Vaar 37 Pauri 21

ਪਉੜੀ 21 ( ਨਿਗ੝ਰਾ ਮਨਮ੝ਖ੝ ਵਸ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀ ਆ ਸਕਦਾ )

ਕ੝ਹੈ ਕਸਾਈ ਬਕਰੀ ਲਾਇ ਲੂਣ ਸੀਖ ਮਾਸ੝ ਪਰੋਆ॥ ਹਸਿ ਹਸਿ ਬੋਲੇ ਕ੝ਹੀਂਦੀ ਖਾਧੇ ਅਕਿ ਹਾਲ੝ ਇਹ੝ ਹੋਆ॥
ਮਾਸ ਖਾਨਿ ਗਲਿ ਛ੝ਰੀ ਦੇ ਹਾਲ੝ ਤਿਨਾੜਾ ਕਉਣ੝ ਅਲੋਆ॥ ਜੀਭੈ ਹੰਦਾ ਫੇੜਿਆ ਖਉ ਦੰਦਾਂ ਮ੝ਹ੝ ਭੰਨਿ ਵਿਗੋਆ॥
ਪਰ ਤਨ ਪਰ ਧਨ ਨਿੰਦ ਕਰਿ ਹੋਇ ਦ੝ਜੀਭਾ ਬਿਸੀਅਰ੝ ਭੋਆ॥ ਵਸਿ ਆਵੈ ਗ੝ਰ੝ਮੰਤ ਸਪ੝ ਨਿਗ੝ਰਾ ਮਨਮ੝ਖ੝ ਸ੝ਣੈ ਨ ਸੋਆ॥
ਵੇਖਿ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਅਗੈ ਟੋਆ

Pauri 21 (One having no Guru is uncontrollable)

kuhai kasaaee bakaree laae loon seekh maas paroaa. has has bolae kuhee(n)adhee khaadhhae ak haal eihu hoaa.
maas khaan gal shhuree dhae haal thinaarraa koun aloaa. jeebhai ha(n)dhaa faerriaa kho dha(n)dhaa(n) muhu bha(n)n vigoaa.
par than par dhhan ni(n)dh kar hoe dhujeebhaa biseear bhoaa. vas aavai guruma(n)th sap niguraa manamukh sunai n soaa.
vaekh n chalai agai ttoaa.

Pauri 21 (One having no Guru is uncontrollable)

The butcher slaughters the goat; salts the meat and strings it on a skewer.
While being killed the goat laughingly says: I have come to this condition for grazing only coarse leaves of arid wild plants.
What will be the plight of those who cutting the throat with a knife eat the flesh of animals?
The perverted taste of the tongue is harmful for the teeth and damages the mouth.
The one who eyes another’s wealth or body or slanders becomes a poisonous Amphisbaena.
This snake is controlled by the Guru's mantra but the Guru-less manmukh never listens to this glorious mantra.
The Manmukh blindly moves ahead, never realizing the approaching deep pit ahead!

(note: Amphisbaena is a mythical serpent having a head at each end of its body.)

Vaar 37 Pauri 21


Kabir On Meat Issue

ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਕਹਹ੝ ਮਤ ਝੂਠੇ ਝੂਠਾ ਜੋ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥ ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਝਕ੝ ਖ੝ਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮ੝ਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥
Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false. You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens? ||1||

ਮ੝ਲਾਂ ਕਹਹ੝ ਨਿਆਉ ਖ੝ਦਾਈ ॥ ਤੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਕਾ ਭਰਮ੝ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice? The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled. ||1||Pause||

ਪਕਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਆਨਿਆ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਮਾਟੀ ਕਉ ਬਿਸਮਿਲਿ ਕੀਆ ॥ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਨਾਹਤ ਲਾਗੀ ਕਹ੝ ਹਲਾਲ੝ ਕਿਆ ਕੀਆ ॥੨॥
You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay. The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed? ||2||

ਕਿਆ ਉਜੂ ਪਾਕ੝ ਕੀਆ ਮ੝ਹ੝ ਧੋਇਆ ਕਿਆ ਮਸੀਤਿ ਸਿਰ੝ ਲਾਇਆ ॥ ਜਉ ਦਿਲ ਮਹਿ ਕਪਟ੝ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗ੝ਜਾਰਹ੝ ਕਿਆ ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਇਆ ॥੩॥
And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque? Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca? ||3||

ਤੂੰ ਨਾਪਾਕ੝ ਪਾਕ੝ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝਿਆ ਤਿਸ ਕਾ ਮਰਮ੝ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਭਿਸਤਿ ਤੇ ਚੂਕਾ ਦੋਜਕ ਸਿਉ ਮਨ੝ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥੪॥੪॥
You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery. Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell. ||4||4||

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