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==Chronological mistakes==
==Chronological mistakes==


* It is alleged by the critics that the writer of [[Bachitar Natak]] makes mistakes in the chronology of historical event. One example cited by the nonconformist is the placing of Ramanand in history before Muhammad. However, this is based on their assumption that the Ramanand referred to in the composition is a reference to [[Bhagat Ramanand]]. Clearly, this assumption is incorrect as Bhagat Ramanand was not a "Bairagi" and has been honoured in the [[Guru Granth Sahib]].  
* It is alleged by the critics that the writer of [[Bachitar Natak]] makes mistakes in the chronology of historical event. One example cited by the nonconformist is the placing of Ramanand in history before Muhammad.  


* Further, Ramanand birth place, his life span and birth date is vague. The critics fails to appreciate that the central idea of those lines was to give the message that all these previous religious leaders all died in ego and failed to propagate the message of the supremacy of the Lord. Sikhi never speaks against any religion and supports the message of unity of the human race. However, the existence of God and its central position of dominance is paramount and without unquestionable. Poet Shyam also rejected casteism and supports unity of mankind as in the [[Akal Ustat]] he says ''"manas ki jaat sabey eke pehchanbo"'' ''"Recognise the human race as one"''. Clearly, this is the same message promote by the holy Guru Granth.
The ones defending it say it is another Ramanand, but that is not possible. No other Ramanand is as famous or atleast comparable in popularity as Gorakh Nath and Muhammad. The writer shows his ignorance by saying he is a bairagi, while he was a Bhagat.
 
If we see the list of some of Bhagat Ramanands disciples, we can easily conclude in what time phase Ramanand lived. Dhanna (born 1415), Kabir (born 1440), Pipa (born 1425) and Ravidas (died in 1529). Bhagat Ramanand was either born in 14th or 15th century, that is a sure fact. If we compare that to Muhammad (born 570 – 6th century), we see that there is a difference of 8 or 9 centuries between the two. So placing Ramanand before Muhammad is a very big mistake, and can not have been made by Guru Gobind Singh.


== Other mistakes==
== Other mistakes==

Revision as of 06:57, 30 December 2009

According to some people, the writer named Poet Shyam was not actually the tenth Sikh Guru but someone who tried to impersonate Guru Gobind Singh. They say that the poet has used the then available knowledge of history to write from the viewpoint of the revered Guru by showing that his father, Guru Tegh Bahadur died for the protection Hinduism, that he fought Bhangani Battle, Nadaun battle etc, and that the impersonator left many clues which show that the writer cannot be Guru Gobind Singh.

Was the composition Bachitar Natak the writing of Guru Gobind Singh? Below are some issues that are raised by the one who question them.

Ideological mistakes

Sikhs Gurus could not visit places of pilgrimage

ਮ੝ਰ ਪਿਤ ਪੂਰਬ ਕੀਯਿਸਿ ਪਯਾਨਾ ॥ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਕੇ ਤੀਰਿਥ ਨਾਨਾ ॥ ਜਬ ਹੀ ਜਾਤਿ ਤ੝ਰਿਬੇਣੀ ਭਝ ॥ ਪ੝ੰਨ ਦਾਨ ਦਿਨ ਕਰਤ ਬਿਤਝ ॥੧॥ My father proceeded towards the east and visited several places of pilgrimage. When he went to Triveni (Prayag), he passed his days in act of charity.1.

(Request: ਨਾਨਾ (Nahna) what is the meaning of this word? BAthing? Someone please clearify)

All this is completely against the Principles of Gurbani and of Guru Tegh Bahadur Himself. The other Gurus also visited holy places, but not to take dip or to give donations. They did so because there are hundreds of thousands of people gathered at the holy places, and the Gurus used that opportunity to educate them. The Gurus did donate money or other valuables to some people, not because they were Brahmans, but because they were needy and poor. Visiting holy places because they can rid you of sins or giving donations to Brahmans has been condemned by the Gurus. The following sacred Shabads play down the importance of any pilgrimage or charity (donations to Brahmans).

Kote tirath majan ishnana is Kal mein mail bhareejai. Sadh sang jo Har goon gavai so nirmal ker leejai. (Suhi M:5)

Na bheejai roopeen maaleen rang. Na bheejai tirath bhaviyan nang. Na bheejai daateen keetai poonn. Na bheejai baahar bathiyan soonn. (Vaar Sarnag M:1)

Ja mein bhajan Ram ko nahi.......... Tirath karre bert phoon rakhe neh manua bas ja ko. Nihfal dherm tahi tum manou saach kehat main ya ko. (Bilawal M:9)

Tirath bert er daan ker mun mein dharre gumaan. Nanak nihfal jaat tih jioun kuncher ishnaan. (Sloak M:9)

The Tenth Master Himself does not believe in the importance of any pilgrimage or charity. Why would He write that His father was on a pilgrimage? Also, what is so special about Tribaini (Allahabad)? Moreover, according to Bhai Vir Singh’s “Kalgidhar Chamatkaar”, Guru Tegh Bahadur was in Assam at that time, not in Allahabad, when He heard the news of the birth of His son, Gobind Rai. He was a guest of Rajah Ram Rai in Assam. So, clearly, the Naatak has been written by someone who has a strong belief in pilgrimage, and in charitable donations to Brahmans. He even lied or twisted the historical facts that the Ninth Guru was in Allahabad, to support his belief.

Critical of previous religious leaders

  • The Poet says that all prophets before him are fake. Poet tried to break communal Harmony; this not in keeping with the tone of the holy Guru Granth.

Here the impersonator theorist take the view that as the writer of Bachitar Natak has been very critical almost to the point of condemnation of the previous prophets and religious leaders, the writer cannot be a Sikh Guru as the Guru Granth Sahib has never been so critical of these previous religious leaders.

ਜੇ ਜੇ ਭਝ ਪਹਿਲ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਆਪ੝ ਆਪ੝ ਤਿਨ ਜਾਪ੝ ਉਚਾਰਾ ॥
All the earlier incarnations caused only their names to be remembered.

ਪ੝ਰਭ ਦੋਖੀ ਕੋਈ ਨ ਬਿਦਾਰਾ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਕਰਨ ਕੋ ਰਾਹ੝ ਨ ਡਾਰਾ ॥੪੪॥
They did not strike the tyrants and did not make them follow th path of Dharma.44.

ਜੇ ਜੇ ਗਉਸ ਅੰਬੀਆ ਭਝ ॥ ਮੈ ਮੈ ਕਰਤ ਜਗਤ ਤੇ ਗਝ ॥
All the earlier prophets ended themselves in ego.

ਮਹਾਪ੝ਰਖ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਕੋ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੪੫॥
And did not comprehend the supreme Purusha, they did not care for the righteous actions.45.

  • These lines is about Avtarwaad like Rama, Krishna, Varah etc, and is not related to Sikhism. Prophets are "paigambars" and this word is not related to sikhism.
    Sikhs have word Guru and Gurmukh. Prophets are related to Christianity and Islam Jesus, Muhammad, Noah etc.
    In Bachitar Natak, Poet clearly mentioned role of 9 Nanaks in spreading God words and poet Shyam himself did so. The 9 Gurus were not avtars and not paigambars and the poet has not said that any of them were avatar or paigambar

It is clear Poet is not against the 9 Nanaks - if this was so he should have mentioned their name in list of ((Trideva, Bairagis, Jogis, Prophet Followers)). According to the poet, God is against the way made by Trideva, Muhamad, Ramanand, Gorakh, but he has not mentioned Sikhi or Gurmat. This interpretation here is left to the reader. It is upto the individual what to deduce from this wrting but the impersonator theorists say that Poet Shyam tried to break communal harmony. and Sikhism promotes Communal Harmony. Guru Granth sahib says Shiva an egoistic. In Shabad Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar Guru Sahib ust criticize Rama, Indra, Parshurama by saying those all Dukhi, Status equal to normal human. So Harmony is there in sikhism.

Chronological mistakes

  • It is alleged by the critics that the writer of Bachitar Natak makes mistakes in the chronology of historical event. One example cited by the nonconformist is the placing of Ramanand in history before Muhammad.

The ones defending it say it is another Ramanand, but that is not possible. No other Ramanand is as famous or atleast comparable in popularity as Gorakh Nath and Muhammad. The writer shows his ignorance by saying he is a bairagi, while he was a Bhagat.

If we see the list of some of Bhagat Ramanands disciples, we can easily conclude in what time phase Ramanand lived. Dhanna (born 1415), Kabir (born 1440), Pipa (born 1425) and Ravidas (died in 1529). Bhagat Ramanand was either born in 14th or 15th century, that is a sure fact. If we compare that to Muhammad (born 570 – 6th century), we see that there is a difference of 8 or 9 centuries between the two. So placing Ramanand before Muhammad is a very big mistake, and can not have been made by Guru Gobind Singh.

Other mistakes

  • The description of circumcision is vulgar ling bina - without penis instead of the proper Arabic word, sunat (suMnq) used in the AGGS. It is vulgar, because it means 'without penis' which is also an incorrect term, and a hateful description of the circumcision.
    • Writer hates Circumcision but Sikhism is not against Circumcision or you can show no hate to circumcision. Writer against Idol worship and sikhism supports it.
  • Says that first three Gurus were Bedis. This is not true because the second Guru was Trehan and third was Bhalla. SGGS (Panna 1396 and 1401) says that third Guru was a Bhalla which is historical truth

Battles

Battle of Bhangani

There is no mention of the sacrifice of Pir Budhu Shah in the battle of Bhangani and the help by Khan brothers, Rai Kalah and others to Guru Gobind Singh.

Pir Buddhu Shah was one of the MOST important figures in the battle. In 1688, during the Battle of Bhangani when Guru Gobind Singh was attacked by a combined force of the hill chiefs led by Raja Fateh Shah of Srinagar (Garhwal), all the Pathans with the exception of Kale Khan deserted him and joined forces of the attacking hill chieftains. When The Guru conveyed the news of the treachery to Pir Buddhu Shah, Pir came to the Guru's aid with his seven hundred followers, four sons and two brothers. Guru was very much happy to see his followers fighting against hill chiefs as they were not professionally soldiers. Guru sahib felt very happy seeing the devotion of peer Buddhu Shah. Many of the Pir's disciples as well as two of his sons, Ashraf and Muhammad Shah, and his brother, Bhure Shah fell in the action.

    • Still Battle of Bhangani is mentioned in brief. In Bhai Gurdas Vaars, not all Sikhs of Baba Nanak is given. It doesn't mean that Vaars are written by some Poet Suraj.

No Humility

Statements that contradict Sikh ethics humility, forgiveness and compassion.

The ones that didn't participate

jy jy nr q~h n iBry dIny ngr inkwr ] je je nar tah na bhire deene nagar nikar. jy iqh Taur Bly iBry iqnY krI pRiqpwr ] je teh thaur bhale bhire tinai karee paritpar.

“Those who did not participate in the battle (to help us) were forced to leave the town, whereas those who did were rewarded.”

Sikhs know that Guru Har Gobind Sahib forgave Emperor Jahangir, who was responsible for the cruel death of his father, Guru Arjan Dev. Sikhs also know that Guru Gobind Singh forgave Emperor Aurangjeb, who was responsible for the death of his father, mother, four sons and hundreds of Sikhs. Sikh Gurus were the embodiment of humility, compassion and forgiveness. How could any Sikh in his right mind believe that Guru Gobind Singh forced people to leave the town simply because they did not help him in the battle?

Treatment of enemies

Talking about the treatment of the enemies the writer say: “The wicked) ones were tortured and they died like dogs.” tWg tWg kir hny indwnw ] tang tang kar hane nidana. kUkr ijim iqn qjy pRwnw ] kookar jim tin the prana. Now compare this statement with the story of Bhai Kanhyia. When Sikhs complained to Guru Gobind Singh that Bahi Kanhyia was helping the wounded enemies, he hugged Bhai Kanhyia and honored him by calling him a true Sikh. How could any Sikh believe that Guru Gobind Singh degraded his enemies to the level of dogs and tortured them to death?

    • Weak Hearted people could die of Bachittar Natak. Guru ji never treat enemies Harshly, He Just Kill them. Guru Ji Killed many in Battle of Bhangani. Even Guru Ji killed those pathans who hit them with sword. So Guru Gobind Singh treat enemies very beautifully, He Forgive enemy by killing them. Once Pathan tried to kill guru, Guru Ji saved himself and killed him with utensil by hitting hard on his head. How compassionate. Those people who read Zafarnama, could read ""Halal Ast Burdan Ba Samsheer dasat"".
      Before Guru Hargobind Bhagwan Das Ghirarh was killed and chandu was killed mercilessly our gurus are so so so so so compassionate.
      Zabar Khan was killed by Guru Gobind Singh by digging hole put him in and face outside earth and dogs bhow bhow. This how Guru Sahiban treat enemies.