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Acc. to some people, poet tried to impersonate Guru Ji by showing his father died for Hinduism, that he fought Bhangani Battle, Nadaun battle etc, but left many clues which show that the writer cannot be Guru Gobind Singh.
According to some people, the writer named [[Poet Shyam]] was not actually the tenth [[Sikh Guru]] but someone who tried to impersonate [[Guru Gobind Singh]]. They say that the poet has used the then available knowledge of history to write from the viewpoint of the revered Guru by showing that his father, [[Guru Tegh Bahadur]] died for the protection [[Hinduism]], that he fought [[Bhangani Battle]], Nadaun battle etc, and that the impersonator left many clues which show that the writer cannot be Guru Gobind Singh.
 
This article challenges this viewpoint and supports the fact that the poet Shyam was in fact the pen name of tenth [[Sikh Guru]].


==Ideological mistakes==
==Ideological mistakes==


* His father visited many pilgrimages, which is against Sikhism and shows that Guru Tegh Bahadur couldn't be his father.  
===Sikhs Gurus could not visit places of pilgrimage===
 
 
* The writer's father visited many pilgrimages, which is against [[Sikhism]] and thus this shows that the writer cannot by tenth Guru and Guru Tegh Bahadur couldn't be the father who would not visit places of pilgrimage.
 
The supporters of the impersonator theory take the view that as Sikhs are compelled by the Sikh ideology not to visit places of pilgrimage to attain salvation that this practise cannot be engaged by the Gurus themselves. In reality the facts show that:
 
* Guru Nanak visited many places of pilgrimage. Also that Guru Tegh Bahadur visited many places of pilgrimage, and the composition, Bachitar Natak records that Poet Shyam's father also visited many places of pilgrimage. The question that needs to be asked is: What Was the purpose of visiting to these holy places? And the answer is that this was to guide people onto the path of righteousness [[Dharam]]. Guru Nanak did, Guru Tegh Bahadur did and Poet Shyam's father also did.
 
It is accepted that the ninth Sikh Guru did indeed visit many places of pilgrimage but this was to educate the masses and bring better understanding of the right type behaviour to attain a better spiritual life. This was also done by [[Guru Nanak]] as well as is evident from the many [[sakhi]]s in [[Haridwar]] and other such important places of pilgrimage. So this point does not in fact help the impersonator theorists as it was common for the Gurus to visit such places.
 
If one reads the Bachitar Natak in detail, one can see exactly what Guru Tegh Bahadur did in real life as narrated in history, so this does not in fact assist the impersonator theorists at all.


** Guru Nanak visited Many Pilgrimages. Sly Guru Tegh Bahadur Visited Many pilgrimages, and Poet Shyam's Father also visited many pilgrimages. What Was the purpose of visiting to these pilgrimages? It was to guide people. Guru Nanak did, Guru Tegh Bahadur did and Poet Shyam's father also did. Read Bachitar natak 4 more details what his father did.
===Critical of previous religious leaders===


* Says all prophets before him are fake. Poet tried to break communal Harmony.
* The Poet says that all prophets before him are fake. Poet tried to break communal Harmony; this not in keeping with the tone of the holy Guru Granth.


Here the impersonator theorist take the view that as the writer of [[Bachitar Natak]] has been very critical almost to the point of condemnation of the previous prophets and religious leaders, the writer cannot be a Sikh Guru as the [[Guru Granth Sahib]] has never been so critical of these previous religious leaders.
ਜੇ ਜੇ ਭਝ ਪਹਿਲ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਆਪ੝ ਆਪ੝ ਤਿਨ ਜਾਪ੝ ਉਚਾਰਾ ॥<br>
ਜੇ ਜੇ ਭਝ ਪਹਿਲ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਆਪ੝ ਆਪ੝ ਤਿਨ ਜਾਪ੝ ਉਚਾਰਾ ॥<br>
All the earlier incarnations caused only their names to be remembered.
All the earlier incarnations caused only their names to be remembered.
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And did not comprehend the supreme Purusha, they did not care for the righteous actions.45.
And did not comprehend the supreme Purusha, they did not care for the righteous actions.45.


** These lines is about Avtarwaad like Rama, Krishna, Varah etc, not related to sikhism. Prophets are paigambars and this word is not related to sikhism.<br> Sikhs have word Guru and Gurmukh. Prophets are related to christianity and islam Jesus, Muhammad, Noah etc.<br> In Bachitar natak poet clearly mentioned role of 9 Nanaks in spreading god words and poet shyam himself did so. 9 gurus were not avtars and not paigambars and poet haven't said that any of them were avatar or paigambar<br> Poet is not against 9 Nanaks if it is so he must mentioned their name in list of ((Trideva, Bairagis, Jogis, Prophet Followers)). Acc. to poet God is against the way made by Trideva, Muhamad, Ramanand, Gorakh, but he havent mentioned sikhi or gurmat. It is upto Shitaan mind what he thinks. but '''Poet Shyam tried to break communal harmony.''' and Sikhism promotes Communal Harmony. Read Guru Granth sahib.
* These lines is about Avtarwaad like Rama, Krishna, Varah etc, and is not related to Sikhism. Prophets are "paigambars" and this word is not related to sikhism.<br> Sikhs have word Guru and Gurmukh. Prophets are related to Christianity and Islam Jesus, Muhammad, Noah etc.<br> In Bachitar Natak, Poet clearly mentioned role of 9 Nanaks in spreading God words and poet Shyam himself did so. The 9 Gurus were not avtars and not paigambars and the poet has not said that any of them were avatar or paigambar<br>  
 
It is clear Poet is not against the 9 Nanaks - if this was so he should have mentioned their name in list of ((Trideva, Bairagis, Jogis, Prophet Followers)). According to the poet, God is against the way made by Trideva, Muhamad, Ramanand, Gorakh, but he has not mentioned Sikhi or Gurmat. This interpretation here is left to the reader. It is upto the individual what to deduce from this wrting but the impersonator theorists say that '''Poet Shyam tried to break communal harmony.''' and Sikhism promotes Communal Harmony.  
 
It is clear from reading the [[Guru Granth Sahib]] that the position in the Bachitar Natak is in accordance with Gurmat principles.


==Chronological mistakes==
==Chronological mistakes==


* The poet makes many mistakes, such as placing Ramanand in history before Muhammad, saying that first three Gurus were Bedis, while second Guru was Trehan and third was Bhalla.
* The poet makes many mistakes, such as placing Ramanand in history before Muhammad, saying that first three Gurus were Bedis, while second Guru was Trehan and third was Bhalla.
** Ramanand Birth place and birth duration and birth date is vague. The Central Idea of that lines were to break comunal harmony by saying that all died in ego. Sikhis never say against any religion, never. and what is problem if Guru NAnak born in bedis. He rejected casteism like Poet Shyam also said in akal ustat said ""manas ki jaat sabey eke pehchanbo"".
 
* Ramanand birth place, his life span and birth date is vague. The central idea of those lines was to break communal harmony by saying that all died in ego. Sikhi never speaks against any religion, never. and what is problem if Guru Nanak was born in a Bedi. He rejected casteism like Poet Shyam also said in Akal Ustat said ""manas ki jaat sabey eke pehchanbo"".
 
 
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Revision as of 09:33, 28 December 2009

According to some people, the writer named Poet Shyam was not actually the tenth Sikh Guru but someone who tried to impersonate Guru Gobind Singh. They say that the poet has used the then available knowledge of history to write from the viewpoint of the revered Guru by showing that his father, Guru Tegh Bahadur died for the protection Hinduism, that he fought Bhangani Battle, Nadaun battle etc, and that the impersonator left many clues which show that the writer cannot be Guru Gobind Singh.

This article challenges this viewpoint and supports the fact that the poet Shyam was in fact the pen name of tenth Sikh Guru.

Ideological mistakes

Sikhs Gurus could not visit places of pilgrimage

  • The writer's father visited many pilgrimages, which is against Sikhism and thus this shows that the writer cannot by tenth Guru and Guru Tegh Bahadur couldn't be the father who would not visit places of pilgrimage.

The supporters of the impersonator theory take the view that as Sikhs are compelled by the Sikh ideology not to visit places of pilgrimage to attain salvation that this practise cannot be engaged by the Gurus themselves. In reality the facts show that:

  • Guru Nanak visited many places of pilgrimage. Also that Guru Tegh Bahadur visited many places of pilgrimage, and the composition, Bachitar Natak records that Poet Shyam's father also visited many places of pilgrimage. The question that needs to be asked is: What Was the purpose of visiting to these holy places? And the answer is that this was to guide people onto the path of righteousness Dharam. Guru Nanak did, Guru Tegh Bahadur did and Poet Shyam's father also did.

It is accepted that the ninth Sikh Guru did indeed visit many places of pilgrimage but this was to educate the masses and bring better understanding of the right type behaviour to attain a better spiritual life. This was also done by Guru Nanak as well as is evident from the many sakhis in Haridwar and other such important places of pilgrimage. So this point does not in fact help the impersonator theorists as it was common for the Gurus to visit such places.

If one reads the Bachitar Natak in detail, one can see exactly what Guru Tegh Bahadur did in real life as narrated in history, so this does not in fact assist the impersonator theorists at all.

Critical of previous religious leaders

  • The Poet says that all prophets before him are fake. Poet tried to break communal Harmony; this not in keeping with the tone of the holy Guru Granth.

Here the impersonator theorist take the view that as the writer of Bachitar Natak has been very critical almost to the point of condemnation of the previous prophets and religious leaders, the writer cannot be a Sikh Guru as the Guru Granth Sahib has never been so critical of these previous religious leaders.

ਜੇ ਜੇ ਭਝ ਪਹਿਲ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਆਪ੝ ਆਪ੝ ਤਿਨ ਜਾਪ੝ ਉਚਾਰਾ ॥
All the earlier incarnations caused only their names to be remembered.

ਪ੝ਰਭ ਦੋਖੀ ਕੋਈ ਨ ਬਿਦਾਰਾ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਕਰਨ ਕੋ ਰਾਹ੝ ਨ ਡਾਰਾ ॥੪੪॥
They did not strike the tyrants and did not make them follow th path of Dharma.44.

ਜੇ ਜੇ ਗਉਸ ਅੰਬੀਆ ਭਝ ॥ ਮੈ ਮੈ ਕਰਤ ਜਗਤ ਤੇ ਗਝ ॥
All the earlier prophets ended themselves in ego.

ਮਹਾਪ੝ਰਖ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਕੋ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੪੫॥
And did not comprehend the supreme Purusha, they did not care for the righteous actions.45.

  • These lines is about Avtarwaad like Rama, Krishna, Varah etc, and is not related to Sikhism. Prophets are "paigambars" and this word is not related to sikhism.
    Sikhs have word Guru and Gurmukh. Prophets are related to Christianity and Islam Jesus, Muhammad, Noah etc.
    In Bachitar Natak, Poet clearly mentioned role of 9 Nanaks in spreading God words and poet Shyam himself did so. The 9 Gurus were not avtars and not paigambars and the poet has not said that any of them were avatar or paigambar

It is clear Poet is not against the 9 Nanaks - if this was so he should have mentioned their name in list of ((Trideva, Bairagis, Jogis, Prophet Followers)). According to the poet, God is against the way made by Trideva, Muhamad, Ramanand, Gorakh, but he has not mentioned Sikhi or Gurmat. This interpretation here is left to the reader. It is upto the individual what to deduce from this wrting but the impersonator theorists say that Poet Shyam tried to break communal harmony. and Sikhism promotes Communal Harmony.

It is clear from reading the Guru Granth Sahib that the position in the Bachitar Natak is in accordance with Gurmat principles.

Chronological mistakes

  • The poet makes many mistakes, such as placing Ramanand in history before Muhammad, saying that first three Gurus were Bedis, while second Guru was Trehan and third was Bhalla.
  • Ramanand birth place, his life span and birth date is vague. The central idea of those lines was to break communal harmony by saying that all died in ego. Sikhi never speaks against any religion, never. and what is problem if Guru Nanak was born in a Bedi. He rejected casteism like Poet Shyam also said in Akal Ustat said ""manas ki jaat sabey eke pehchanbo"".