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Hello, Sat Sri Akal, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh, Namastae, Salaam: SidBuddha Ji!

Many thanks for your interest in the SikhiWiki website and your recent changes to the article Similarities between Sikhism and Islam .

I am sorry we have had to revert back the changes (deletion and/or major changes) that you made as you have given no valid reasons for your actions before making the changes. I hope that in future you will try and explain your views in the discussion tab before making such changes. We prefer to amend articles by agreement rather than by "edit warring". Please see the Wikipedia article "Islam and war" of the wars fought in the name of Islam. Link is to Islam and war - click here. Also see Caravan raids; The Caravan raids refer to a series of raids which {Prophet} Muhammad and his companions participated in. The raids were generally offensive and carried out to gather intelligence or seize the trade goods of caravans financed by the Quraysh. The raids were intended to weaken the economic and in turn the offensive capabilities of Mecca by {Prophet} Muhammad. However, many of the early converts, who themselves were members of the Quaraysh, saw this as means of vengeance against the persecution they endured in Mecca. The Meccans had sold property Muslims left behind after the Hijra and invested it in the caravans. In Medina's opinion, this was against Arab custom. The Muslims felt that the raids were justified and that God gave them permission to defend against the Meccans' persecution of Muslims

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Many thanks, Hari Singhtalk, 18:51, 8 March 2015 (CDT)

Islam cannot be said to be "defensive" in its wars

Dear SidBuddha

I am sorry but you must discuss this matter fully before you can make any such major changes to the article. This issue has not been agreed and there is no consensus as yet. Accordingly I have placed a temporary block on you making changes on this site.

You say that I didn't understand the article about caravan raids properly but various Wikipedia articles explain very clears that "offensive" wars were carried out and new territory claimed by Islam:

  • "... Islam expanded through conquest... " Islam and war This implies aggression. Islam increased its territory from the Middle East to Spain and India again through aggression. These new lands were not acquired by "defensive" wars. And please do not give examples of other religions where they too have been aggressive. If you wish compare the wars in Sikhism with the the wars in Islam.
  • "The raids were generally offensive and carried out to gather intelligence or seize the trade goods of caravans financed by the Quraysh." Caravan raids. These raids have been justified by the Muslims and they believed that God gave them permission to defend against the past Meccans' persecution of Muslims.
  • "They also sent out raiding parties against Arabic-speaking communities ruled under the Roman Empire. Muhammad was believed by the Muslims to be divinely chosen to spread Islam in world, and Muhammad ultimately permitted warfare as one aspect of this struggle." Military career of Muhammad
  • "By old custom, during the months of pilgrimage, tribal hostilities stopped and all were free to visit Mecca. In March 628, Muhammad put on the garb of a pilgrim and taking a force and camels for sacrifice, set out for Mecca. According to the early chronicler Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad took 700 men (Guillaume 1955, p. 500). According to Watt, Muhammad took 1400 to 1600 men (Watt 1957, p. 46).

    The Meccans did not accept the Muslim professions of peaceful intent and sent out an armed party against them. The Muslims evaded them by taking a side route through the hills around Mecca, and then camped outside Mecca, at Hudaybiya. Ibn Ishaq describes a tense period of embassies and counter-embassies, including a bold foray by Uthman ibn Affan into the city of Mecca, where he was temporarily held as a hostage. The Meccans told the Muslims that Uthman had been killed and open warfare seemed imminent.

    Then the situation shifted radically. Uthman was revealed to be alive, and the Meccans expressed their willingness to negotiate a truce. Some elements wanted a confrontation, but Muhammad held out for a peaceful resolution. The treaty of Hudaybiyyah committed both sides to a ten-year truce. The Muslims were to be allowed to return the next year, to perform the pilgrimage.

    Free of the Meccan threat, the Muslims expanded their activities against other oases and tribes. They conquered the rich oasis of Khaybar (see Battle of Khaybar) and sent raiding parties against the Ghatafan, Murrah, Sulaym, and Hawaizin (Watt 1957 pp. 52–53). " Military career of Muhammad
  • Indian subcontinent: Sir Jadunath Sarkar contends that several Muslim invaders were waging a systematic Jihad against Hindus in India to the effect that "Every device short of massacre in cold blood was resorted to in order to convert heathen subjects." In particular the records kept by al-Utbi, Mahmud al-Ghazni's secretary, in the Tarikh-i-Yamini document several episodes of bloody military campaigns. In the late tenth century, a story spread that before Muhammad destroyed the idols at the Kaaba, that of Manāt was secretly sent to a Hindu temple in India; and the place was renamed as So-Manāt or Somnath. Acting on this, the Shiva idol at the Somnath temple was destroyed in a raid by Mahmud Ghazni in CE 1024; which is considered the first act of Jihad in India. In 1527, Babur ordered a Jihad against Rajputs at the battle of Khanwa. Publicly addressing his men, he declared the forthcoming battle a Jihad. His soldiers were facing a non-Muslim army for the first time ever. This, he said, was their chance to become either a Ghazi (soldier of Islam) or a Shaheed (Martyr of Islam). The Mughal emperor Aurangzeb waged a Jihad against those identified as heterodox within India's Islamic community, such as Shi'a Muslims Islam and war: Indian subcontinent


It is clear from the above quotes and the expansionist policy that Islam does not promote "defensive" wars only.

Regards, 18:31, 9 March 2015 (CDT)